Qualcomm Unveils Snapdragon 850 Platform Targeted For Windows 10 PCs (hothardware.com) 59
MojoKid writes: Qualcomm's Always-Connected Windows 10 PC initiative with Microsoft kicks into another gear this morning with the announcement of the Qualcomm Snapdragon 850 Mobile Platform for Windows 10 PCs. Based on what looks to be an optimized version of the Snapdragon 845 specifically tuned for laptops and 2-in-1 convertibles, the Snapdragon 850 promises a 30 percent boost in system-wide performance versus the previous generation Snapdragon 835 platform, while its integrated Snapdragon X20 LTE modem promises peak speeds of 1.2Gbps. When it comes to battery life, Qualcomm says that PCs running the Snapdragon 850 will be able to top 25 hours of runtime. Qualcomm also notes it will have many more OEM partners and a lot more device options to choose from (hopefully at lower price points) this time around. Couple that with Microsoft's new support for the ARM64 SDK in Windows 10, and things could get interesting for this new class of machine. No word on availability just yet, beyond the note that devices will be available in market later this year.
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As a matter of fact, they currently do [microsoft.com].
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Unless they are going to emulate x86 on arm64, this thing is DOA
You just woke up from a one year sleep or something?
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Unless they are going to emulate x86 on arm64, this thing is DOA
You just woke up from a one year sleep or something?
Make that a 31 year sleep, x86 emulators have been available for ARM since 1987.
1988 review [computinghistory.org.uk]
Manual for v. 1.7 (1991) [computinghistory.org.uk]
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Re:This doesn’t interest me (Score:5, Interesting)
It may not interest you, and if all they run is Windows, it doesn't interest me, but I would LOVE to have an SD845 (something that is available now) laptop that runs Linux. An SD850 would just be a bonus...
I don't do graphics editing on my laptop, or compiling, or (insert computationally intensive task here). I want a laptop that can run for 20 hours.
Hopefully someone like System76 will make a laptop out of one of these.
Re:This doesn’t interest me (Score:5, Informative)
While I certainly understand some corp dudes/dudettes are stuck, but I will NEVER run any Windows later than 7, and that only for a specific DAW software solution.
I want an OS, not a continually soul-sucking, ever-shifting, "cloud-based" system for my personal use. Apps like gmail, sure. Base OS? Nah.
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Two questions. What makes this device Windows 10 only, and are you aware that Microsoft backported a significant amount of the evil into Windows 7?
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It's win10-only because Qualcomm won't release open drivers/specs, that probably won't change because of the embedded LTE modem. And I'm guessing there's no BIOS/UEFI on the thing, which I expect does not make installing something else impossible, but it certainly does not make it easy.
In win7 you can still choose not to install any given update, all the spyware updates and win10-forced-upgrade updates are in my WSUS blacklist, for example.
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Also, if
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I would be surprised if it didn't support Linux, because they will surely want to support Android.
Of course, the drivers will probably be binary blobs.
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Of course, the drivers will probably be binary blobs.
Are there any ARM vendors actually providing full driver sources? nVidia made noises about Tegra GPU sources (outright stating that Tegra was not encumbered like GeForce was, and they were capable of such a release) but... ah yes, thank you google. Wow, nVidia released Tegra driver sources in February [phoronix.com]. Alas, all Tegra SoCs are allegedly vulnerable to both MELTDOWN and SPECTRE [techarp.com]... all three variants, too. Whee! nVidia has put out a bulletin about these vulnerabilities [custhelp.com], but note that there is not a whisper abo
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The Raspberry Pi is probably as close as you can get to a fully open source device. The boot ROM is still proprietary but I think pretty much everything else can be used with open source drivers now.
ChromeBook (Score:2)
So buy a ChromeBook then and install Linux.
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I'm also considering one of these laptops for a hobby project. I do a lot of ARM development for Raspberry Pi. And I mean a lot. I had planned on building a 2000-3000 device cloud using Raspberry Pi clusters with a Cisco
Yeah but will it run native windows apps? (Score:1)
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10 to 1 that those "native" apps are windows store crap which absolutely nobody cares about.
Re: Yeah but will it run native windows apps? (Score:1)
Smart enough to take MS payola for going along?
Ok, well, it's a different architecture (Score:2)
Also instant on isn't a big deal to me. I've got a decent SSD and I'm at a desk top in 5 seconds. That leaves battery life. I'll confess I run a desktop. Battery life isn't an issue for me. OTOH this [pcworld.com] article says no x64 apps and weak performance in x86 apps. And the laptops aren't cheap. They're $500-$700 a pop
I'm just questioning who these are for. OTOH this might be the OEMs
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There are already some Windows 10 ARM laptops out there. x86 software is run via emulation. From the tests I've seen, it's rather slow though, so you can't realistically run heavy tasks on them. Unfortunately, these ARM laptops are rather expensive. They do have good battery life, though.
Thanks (Score:2)
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Windows 10 is a huge resource hog. On a new (supposedly fast) HP laptop, I see CPU usage spike to 25% with no user applications running. It also needs 3 GB of RAM for the OS alone (while offering no advantage that I can see over Windows 7).
W10 on a machine that has to emulate x86 is going to stink.
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It will suffer from the same "range anxiety" that electric cars do.
Objectively, range anxiety is kind of bogus for 85% of the driving people do but because some small number of trips don't factor into the car's range, people say electric cars aren't good enough.
Substitute "performance" for "range" and you have the ARM laptop problem. For a lot of people it would be fine but because some people will need to run x86 apps and they will run slow, many people will assume its not as useful and stick with x86 lap
This is for Microsoft, not for you (Score:4, Interesting)
Whether Windows 10 for the Snapdragon 850 sells well or not is immaterial to Microsoft. They are simply hedging their bets to insure their Windows cash cow survives regardless of whether the winner of the processor war ends up being Intel, AMD, or ARM.
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Great Potential (Score:3)
This has so many interesting possibilities. But when they say Windows 10 they kill all of them.
Thats it - I am going back to DOS ARJ (Score:1)
DOS era ARJ is still my most favourite archive program - though it is not the most versatile in today's win7/10 environment.
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doh - posted to the wrong /. page
30% Performance improvement (Score:2)
Comparing the Kryo 385 (Cortext A75 derived) at 2.95GHz to a Kryo 280 (Cortex A73 derived) at 2.9GHz
Not compared to any competitors products.
It will surly Increase Performance (Score:1)
another ad-crunching chip (Score:1)
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