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Intel Wants PCs To Be More Than Just 'Personal Computers' (engadget.com) 180

An anonymous reader shares a report "What people need from a PC, what they expect is really more diverse than ever," Intel's Client Computing head Gregory Bryant said in an interview. "We're going to embark on a journey to transform the PC from a personal computer to a personal contribution platform... The platform where people focus and can do their most meaningful work." Bryant says Intel will focus on five key areas to reframe its vision of PCs: Uncompromised performance (of course); improved connectivity with 5G on the horizon; a dramatic increase in battery life; developing more adaptable platforms that go beyond 2-in-1s and convertibles; and a push towards more intelligent machines with AI and machine learning integration. Admittedly, many of those points aren't exactly new for Intel, and they also fall in line with where the computing industry is going.
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  • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:41AM (#56710664) Journal
    PCs are more than just 'Personal Computers.' They are phones and all kinds of devices....it's just that Intel isn't part of that.
    • Re: They are (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Phones aren't really PCs. They're too locked down to be used for developing software. Which was the whole point of PCs...not having to go wait in line and buy mainframe time.

      Let's face it, computers in most hands are just another boob tube.

      • Re: They are (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Type44Q ( 1233630 )

        Phones aren't really PCs. They're too locked down to be used for developing software.

        A) Phone's are nothing more than tiny ARM PC's with built-in screens, and...

        B) How the fuck does the "locked down nature" of a typical phone - an irrelevant point to the discussion, anyhow - prevent you from using it to write code??

        • Writing anything beyond a 20 character script to update a Raspberry Pi from my phone is an exercise in frustration. I refuse to write even Hello World on my phone. I have a Desktop or Laptop for that.

        • A) Phone's are nothing more than tiny ARM PC's with built-in screens

          There was a time where if it didn't run Windows on an Intel core it wasn't called a PC at all. There was a whole company who claimed that their products were different to PCs, I think their products were called Justin Long, or maybe that was just an actor pretending to be their product, can't remember.

          Point is: Go to a random person in the street and ask them what a PC is, I will bet you a Mars bar no one points to your phone. It may be your personal device which can compute, but a PC it ain't.

        • Have you even tried? Occasionally my Linux desktop goes all Helen Keller and I use JuiceSSH to log in & kill whatever's causing it. Even that - thirty characters total, taking two minutes at most - is painful on the itty bitty screen and virtual keyboard, but I'm too lazy to walk 20 feet to the lounge and do it from my wife's lappie or get mine out & fire it up.

        • How the fuck does the "locked down nature" of a typical phone - an irrelevant point to the discussion, anyhow - prevent you from using it to write code

          Tell me, Mr. Andersonwhat good is a phone callif you're unable to speak?

          Apple doesn't allow you to installer a compiler on your phone. Ergo, you can't write code that involves a compiler. I suppose you could backdoor the whole thing -- but it's also really annoying to write anything long (let alone code) on a touch screen keyboard.

      • Most personal computer usage was never used for software development.
        For the most part the old PCs wern't used to compile software. Yes they had BASIC, mostly because of a lack of software options. But Early PCs were used mostly for things like Games, home/office tools and word processors.

        Back in them olden days, if you were doing anything serious with a computer you would have a Mainframe or at least a Mini-computer.

        Phones/Tablets are actually filling the PC's traditional roles. Today's PC's are now more

      • Phones aren't really PCs.

        They are small portable pocket sized personal computers.

        They're too locked down to be used for developing software.

        Yours maybe, not mine.

      • Let's face it, computers in most hands are just another boob tube.

        You could say the same thing about desktop computers, yet they're still also PCs.

        I think a phone is every bit as much a personal computer as a desktop computer is. They're lame personal computers (e.g. shitty keyboard among other limitations), but hey, they fit in your pocket. Most people basically do the same things with them as they do with desktops.

    • Re:They are (Score:5, Insightful)

      by JMJimmy ( 2036122 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:01PM (#56710804)

      Honestly, the area of the market they need to develop is the integrated home PC.

      A modular system, wired into the home that enables 3rd parties to develop home technologies. I don't need every device in my home to be connected to the internet - I need them to connect to my home system and be managed locally. My PC should be my home's cloud and every "smart device" should just be a control board & dumb display that get fed data from applications/services running on the PC.

      • Re:They are (Score:5, Insightful)

        by webnut77 ( 1326189 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:34PM (#56711028)

        Honestly, the area of the market they need to develop is the integrated home PC.

        A modular system, wired into the home that enables 3rd parties to develop home technologies. I don't need every device in my home to be connected to the internet - I need them to connect to my home system and be managed locally. My PC should be my home's cloud and every "smart device" should just be a control board & dumb display that get fed data from applications/services running on the PC.

        The trouble is that those vendors are not going to give you what you want. As vendors, they need to harvest your data. They also need to have a backdoor into your device for reason... Therefore your device needs to connect back to the mothership.

        TFS:

        and a push towards more intelligent machines with AI and machine learning integration

        This makes me nervous. Will this serve me or the vendor?

        • The whole point of this is to keep the data at home and cut out the vendor. It doesn't work without open source AI including automated machine learning.

          The open source community needs to come together and create an AI system that competes with the best and learns from its everyday users and the data they feed it without the help of an expert. That is the only way we can both enjoy the advances that AI assistants can bring to our lives and free our data from the vendors.

          Of course, even if that happens, it is

          • The open source community needs to come together

            HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHAHAHHHAHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!

            Ow, it hurts! Stop it!!!

            HAHAHAHAHAHHHHOHOHOHOHOHOHHHOHHO!!!!

            Come together to write an AI platform?!? HOW many Linux Distros are there?!?!?

            That's the best laugh I've had all year!

      • Re:They are (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Marc_Hawke ( 130338 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:45PM (#56711104)

        Like webnut said, gone are the days when someone would sell you a product. Now everyone is just using products as bait in order to hook a recurring revenue stream. They could make things that work 'stand-alone' but it's so much more profitable to make it go through the middle-man....with them being the middle man.

        That being said, is there an indie/homegrown market for home automation? Is it all just Raspberry Pi based stuff? Are their light-bulbs that will work on my internal network? Is there a remote door lock system that listens on my own IP address and not routed through a server on the internet?

        I think their are. The first security camera flaws were poorly secured little web-servers in the cameras themselves weren't they? But at least they had to come to my house to hack me..rather than hacking everyone all at once by hitting the server.

        • When I had a Palm IIIxe I thought, what a marvelous device! This is certainly the future, I can put all my information in here, bring it with me and access it whenever I want; if only the interface was better. Then along came touch screens, and stupidly, I got an iPod touch. The first app I tried needed a login to some website. The second app needed a login to some website. Every app I tried needed a login to some website. I thought to myself, why do I need a website run by someone I don't know that i
          • When I had a Palm IIIxe I thought, what a marvelous device! This is certainly the future, I can put all my information in here, bring it with me and access it whenever I want; if only the interface was better. Then along came touch screens, and stupidly, I got an iPod touch. The first app I tried needed a login to some website. The second app needed a login to some website. Every app I tried needed a login to some website. I thought to myself, why do I need a website run by someone I don't know that is who knows where, in who knows what country, to do what my Palm could do with a docking device.

            Funny. Out of the over 100 Apps I have on my iPhone and iPad, I can only name a few that "have to log on to a website". A lot of them DISPLAY ad-stuff that probably comes from a web-server, and stuff like Weather Apps can ONLY work by pulling data from some server somewhere (since my iPhone doesn't have Doppler RADAR capabilities); but I am pretty sure most, if not all of them would still work if my internet service was down.

            Try again, Hater.

            What kind of Apps are you Running, anyway?

            • I have yet to find a task management app that can sync with all my PCs yet doesn't use a website of some sort. Same for note-keeping apps that can contain both text and images. I started using Keepnote on the PC but no way to integrate that with phone.
          • Yes. Right now I'm running a Radicale server just to my phone's calendar and contacts local to my LAN with WebDAV. It was a pain in the ass to set up, and I only did it after I couldn't figure out how to just sync over my USB connection using flat files. All this work just to recapture the glory of using my Palm V... actually if the digitizer wasn't broken and I could replace the battery for it I'd probably still use it and keep my phone turned off in my bag all day.
        • That being said, is there an indie/homegrown market for home automation?

          Most smart devices can function without phoning home though updates would still require it.

          There are several open source central servers in development that can run at home and control these. Here is an article that reviews some. [opensource.com]

          However, all of these seem to be requiring the users to memorize special control phrases. There doesn't seem to be any effort to create a deep neural network based open source assistant that recognizes users an

          • Honestly, I don't even need the voice aspect of it.

            I need things like my clocks to update after a power outage/not having to reset my alarms. My coffee maker to be linked to that alarm + an offset. Power controls to turn off lighting from the bedroom and auto-disconnect circuits with phantom loads. Adjusting the blinds for optimal passive solar.

            Things that save me time and having to remember to do them. Those are the most important, then the other aspect is just having dumb screens/speakers. I don't wa

      • Honestly, the area of the market they need to develop is the integrated home PC.

        A modular system, wired into the home that enables 3rd parties to develop home technologies. I don't need every device in my home to be connected to the internet - I need them to connect to my home system and be managed locally. My PC should be my home's cloud and every "smart device" should just be a control board & dumb display that get fed data from applications/services running on the PC.

        I'm with you on that! Well stated!!!

    • My wife wanted a separate tablet to run unsafe apps on, and the one we bought was only 5% more than the cheapest one. I was surprised when it arrived and had an "intel inside" sticker. I'd have gone with the cheaper one if I had realized, but too late now!

      It's a total dog, I'm so glad it wasn't a primary-device purchase!

    • PCs are more than just 'Personal Computers.' They are phones and all kinds of devices...

      Sure, if you pedantically separate the term "personal" and "computer" into it's core components and apply it to everything you own that computes then yes. Back in the real world a PC has a widely accepted definition that sure as heck has nothing to do with your mobile phone or any other kind of device.

  • by Errol backfiring ( 1280012 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:42AM (#56710666) Journal
    If that is a eufemism for communicating behind the user's control, I certainly do NOT want " improved connectivity".
    • by Austerity Empowers ( 669817 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:56AM (#56710776)

      I honestly don't want anything they're selling up there except uncompromised performance. I want to see larger DRAM capacity and more I/O bandwidth, on a larger range of their product portfolio than it presently has.

      I've got a smart-phone, I don't want it to be my laptop or desktop, nor vice versa.

      • by postbigbang ( 761081 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:22PM (#56710964)

        It would do my heart well if they'd just fix their processors so that they're immune from predictability attacks, rather than trying to distract the world with their latest PR shenanigans.

        WTF, Intel? Can we even trust you? EVERY ONE OF YOUR CPUs made in the past decade is abusable. FIX THAT FIRST.

        • by ebyrob ( 165903 )

          In all fairness. If javascript wasn't being JIT compiled for extra performance, this would not have been remote read of everything by every browser on the planet with scripting enabled.

          As it is, the fixes will probably mostly work for things like OS management of processes but exporting that level of access to every website you visit, that's really bad.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      They want PCs to be PCs?

      Because that is what it reads as.

      Then you read 'always on 5G connectivity' and it becomes Big Brothers Little Helper instead.

      I can always go for more battery life, but going for always connected insecurity is out of security budget.

      • Right, they're saying, in the old days the software was locked to what type of CPU and related technologies you had, that was your "platform." Then things shifted so that platform meant middleware. Then they got rid of most of the middleware and pushed things into portable client-side javascript.

        And so now Intel wants to shift the concept of "platform" back to the PC, and the only new thing they could find that would make it seem reasonable is AI that would need special local hardware resources to lock you

    • by ebyrob ( 165903 )

      I certainly do NOT want " improved connectivity".

      exactly:
      https://popularresistance.org/... [popularresistance.org]
      https://meltdownattack.com/ [meltdownattack.com]

      How about some "improved security".

      Not that we can really blame Intel when every single web browser developer decided to JIT compile their javascript and rely on obscure processor features for their only security because the bunny MUST dance faster!

      But embedded Wifi KVM in every CPU. That brilliance falls squarely on Intel.

  • by khandom08 ( 1319863 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:43AM (#56710674)

    We're going to embark on a journey

  • by BLToday ( 1777712 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:46AM (#56710698)

    Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster, that was marketing loaded statement. How about Intel gets back to doing Intel things, building great chips. Cut the marketing talk and do the engineering walk.

  • uh (Score:5, Interesting)

    by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:48AM (#56710716) Journal

    What does the CPU maker have to do with all that?

    Just execute the instructions, thanks. Oh, and don't give things access to the memory that shouldn't have it. Thanks again.

    • and hard drives and memory and the NUCs and pretty much everything a that makes a computer a computer, so they've got a lot to do with it.
    • What does the CPU maker have to do with all that?

      Because if Intel didn't try to push the envelope, no one would.

      PC OEMs (outside of Apple) have long had a case of tunnel vision. They're stuck in the next-quarter mindset, so they'll double-down on whatever is selling well at this instant, and rarely put serious money into developing new concepts. They're the 21st century equivalent of Henry Ford believing that all Model Ts should be black.

      As a result, it's fallen to Intel to do a lot of the development and

  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:48AM (#56710720)

    We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and high end gaming systems.

    AMD has more on both and on there high end gaming / workstations chips all cpus have the same number of lanes. Unlike the intel ones where min cpu cost is $1000 just to get the same number lanes that can $350-$500 chip used to have.

    • We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and high end gaming systems.

      And what if most of the public don't use high end gaming systems? Why would they need more pci-e lanes? AMD and Intel both have to sell the the general public more than the high end gamer.

      • by ebyrob ( 165903 )

        The "general public" can use high end 486 chips or Atom processors. They'll never notice the difference.

        • The "general public" is to whom Intel wants to sell things, because there's a thousand of them for every gamer who knows what a PCIe lane is.
        • I'm pretty sure the public will notice 486 machines vs Kaby Lake more than Kaby Lake with 4 lanes or 2 lanes.
    • We need more pci-e lanes on the desktop and high end gaming systems.

      AMD has more on both and on there high end gaming / workstations chips all cpus have the same number of lanes. Unlike the intel ones where min cpu cost is $1000 just to get the same number lanes that can $350-$500 chip used to have.

      AMD also has ECC. Intel would rather play games and intentionally withhold it to upsell Xeon.

      • AMD also has ECC.

        Which is of interest to whom? No seriously unless your bank is verifying your house purchase transaction using a Core i5, what benefit is there in ECC RAM for an average user, I mean other than having lighter wallets and less performance?

        • Comment removed based on user account deletion
          • It's so bad, that

            Ahh but is it. For all the theoretical work that has been done on the topic the impact has been what in real terms of reliability? Where are the buildings falling down, the money disappearing from accounts? Where's the physics simulations gone wrong, or the random data corruption? Where are the reliability problems when serving up content? Where are the lockups and crashes of our devices? Where is the detrimental impact to our communication?

            You see, it's so bad that companies who handle truly critical data

  • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:49AM (#56710728)

    And you know it.

    • +1

  • by gravyface ( 592485 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:50AM (#56710734)
    Seems to make the most sense to me: phone + high-quality KVM experience = what 99% of the population wants.
    • Seems to make the most sense to me: phone + high-quality KVM experience = what 99% of the population wants.

      This *almost* exists now just leave a bluetooth mouse/keyboard and Chromecast with hdmi monitor where ever you want to use your phone "full screen." It's the Apps and GUI that aren't there.

      It certainly makes sense to just use your phone. But the platforms that be (iOS and Android) have not evolved there yet.

      A phone with a SnapDragon 845, 8G RAM and 128GB of storage certainly has the necessary horsepower.

  • Like a puppy or a kitten. Something your can love and will love you back. On second thought, forget it. I'll just by a dog.
  • by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @11:57AM (#56710782) Homepage

    From the headline & summary, I was immediately flashed back to my time at RIM where the company had exactly the same vision for Blackberries - the talking points are identical to what I heard at RIM. TFA goes into a bit of the technology required for the vision but, again, I could go back 8-10 years to RIM and see identical issues (connectivity, battery life, processors & software omnipotence) being discussed as requirements for the platform.

    RIM's failure to succeed was largely due to hubris and inattention to what was going on around them but I tend to think that there was a basic underpinning that there is NO single device that can do everything for everybody and trying to come up with the ultimate device, whether it is on a communications device (Blackberry) or a "personal contribution platform" isn't going to end where the proponents think it will.

    • This is off-topic, but I want to thank you for your time at Research In Motion.
      I loved my Blackberry (the real, original tough-as-nails) one, and I currently sport a KeyOne, which I know isn't a *real* BB (like the no true scotsman fallacy) but the keyboard is oh so seductive...

  • Was it really necessary to write a whole article about Intel thumps it's own chest and doesn't even announce anything new?

    Two of the five things, performance and efficiency, is something every chip maker invests heavily into and have obviously been a priority for Intel since the 1980s. Wireless modems and connecting their chips to them is likewise old hat for them, thou just by a bit over a decade while hardware for faster and more efficient machine learning is more recent for them, it's something every
  • Hell no (Score:5, Insightful)

    by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:03PM (#56710822) Journal

    I want my PC to do one thing and one thing only: do what I tell it to do. I don't want it to "think" for me, make guesses at what it thinks I'm going to do, or get in the way of what I'm doing.

    I want a platform which is stable so I can do my work.

  • Simpsons (Score:4, Funny)

    by Train0987 ( 1059246 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:07PM (#56710848)

    Homer had the same idea when he designed his car.

  • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:09PM (#56710862)
    Or is it going to be locked down to tight to load your own OS?
  • No thanks (Score:5, Insightful)

    by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:16PM (#56710910) Homepage Journal

    I'm only looking for a Personal Computer or Workstation. I don't wish to commit to anything beyond that.

    It's like when I buy a blender, I don't also need it to be a cheese grater.

    • @OrangeTide [slashdot.org]: "I'm only looking for a Personal Computer or Workstation. I don't wish to commit to anything beyond that."

      Once everything moves to 'the cloud', you will be revealed of the burden of making the choice.
      • "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." — Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

  • Uncompromised performance (of course); improved connectivity with 5G on the horizon; a dramatic increase in battery life; developing more adaptable platforms that go beyond 2-in-1s and convertibles; and a push towards more intelligent machines with AI and machine learning integration.

    Uncompromised performance (of course) and a dramatic increase in battery life typically don't go together well. Granted, they can get better battery life, but it generally means that at least some compromise in performance is needed.

    Still, most of this just sounds like a long winded way of saying they want to get into the mobile phone market. Better battery performance- check, 5G connectivity- check, AI blah blah, Siri, Google voice, etc- check. More adaptable platforms, phones are getting pretty powerf

  • by Zitchas ( 713512 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @12:23PM (#56710976) Journal

    Honestly, I really like the idea of having a personal assistant AI sort of thing that tries to help keep track of stuff for me.

    The problem is that everything these days wants to send all that data back to a server somewhere. My personal computer should be just that: My. Computer. I want something that requires zero internet connectivity to do its job. And that job should very clearly be: Do what I tell it to do. Take notes, schedule an appointment on my calendar, open programs, set a timer, or an alarm, or a reminder, etc.

    The closest it should get to doing stuff online is if I specifically ask it to do something online. ex: "Search the internet for pictures of kittens." Simply stating "Search for kittens" should default to searching my computer itself. Nothing should go online without my actually stating that it should go online.

    Computers in the late 90s were starting to get programs that could do basic voice recognition and dictation. I see no reason why my computer today can't do vastly better at it than the old apple performa did - and without using any servers anywhere to do so.

  • 1. Powerful
    2. Reliable
    3. Not locked into using only Windows

    The rest is up to the software I run on it.
  • I think the horsepower is already there -- but there needs to be better ways to take advantage of it. What's been missing, in my opinion, is a richer gesture-based GUI. The touch based GUIs we have now are not standard across platforms, and are generally only concerned with desktops, not applications. And so, on our touch device, we can navigate to an app and open it by touch, but once in the app if it has any complexity at all, we're reduced to a KVM or some device that mimics a mouse, because that's th

    • by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      > What's been missing, in my opinion, is a richer gesture-based GUI.... There should be a rich, standard set of gestures,

      There's only one gesture I'd ever use with Windows.

      • > What's been missing, in my opinion, is a richer gesture-based GUI.... There should be a rich, standard set of gestures,

        There's only one gesture I'd ever use with Windows.

        Ok ok I get it, really. My proposal was OS-agnostic because I don't really care who does it as long as it's rich enough to reasonably do content creation and has a library that's available cross-platform. (If M$ does it, it'll probably be an Edge plug-in that just repurposes their accessibility suite, and everyone will lose interest for another decade or so...)

  • Maybe they should put their money where there mouth is when it comes to performance and stop making the PC the laughing stock of console peasants due to 80% of them with integrated 15 years behind consoles and save game developers a big headache

    • by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      I get what you're saying but If you're a gamer and aren't using a fullsize PC, or at least a laptop that supports an external GPU box, then you picked your own poison so deserve everything you get.

  • by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @01:02PM (#56711220)
    Everyone knew the day was coming where PC manufacturers would limit the low level control you have on your PC so that they can be locked down from doing activities they deem to be wrong, and encourage you to do activities they can monetize. Now the day has come.
  • trying to push back at PCs becoming irrelevant for content consumption and even for some forms of creation. It's to be expected. Nothing to see here, move along.
    • by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      > PCs becoming irrelevant for content consumption

      Are you really trying to convince us that a fiddly little phone screen is as convenient and good as a big HD monitor, mouse and fullsize keyboard?

  • I don't wanna contribute to fuck all. Keeping my egotistical Personal Computer, thank you.

  • You PC knows what you did last night.

    Pay $20 in the next 12 Hours to prevent us from telling your employer and friends.

    Your "friends" at Intel, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter and Amazon corporation.

  • The reason the cloud has been able to take over is because the PC stopped developing technologies that serve the user and require more real-time bandwidth than is available on a home internet connection.

    I want two big things to happen in PC development.

    First, bring the peripherals into this century. Free it from fixed displays and support mixed voice, gesture and keyboard input in everything. Most importantly, I want wireless A/R based displays that allow me to see many virtual displays, sheets of paper, ta

    • "be trained at home": afaik, all current AI systems require huge amounts of training data to do anything useful, regardless of what hardware you throw at them. Assuming I'm correct (and if I'm not, doubtless some friendly /.er will let me know), it's anybody's guess what is needed to change this state of the art. My bet is on innate knowledge.

      • The leading edge is moving away from this. Training is perhaps the hottest area of AI research. I just read an article about one that could learn to play a game by watching videos of the games being played. There are robotics systems that can train from having an action demonstrated. And there is research into methods of training that reduce the dataset sizes that has produced better networks.

        I don't think you're entirely off on "innate knowledge". I think the training will become easier as we move away fro

  • I need threaded comms, interprocess comm and seamless mesh nets. I have work to do, shit ton of devices that steal productive time away with too weak bridges that have to be reconnected to Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi and NAT. Keep the 27" desktop screen and lose the cords. Keep the modular boxen paradigm. I don't care what happens on the portable side.

    Take you GHz elsewhere. I need extra boards++, DAC's, encryption and graphics for the future-proof work ahead. I'm plenty productive. Seventy percent of my time is

  • "But . . . what if they were?"

    Marketing committee discussion, probably.

  • by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Friday June 01, 2018 @03:12PM (#56711952) Homepage

    That's the marketing speak for, "Let's divert our customers and shareholders attention from the fact that our 10nm rollout is now three years late and still incomplete and the fact that we haven't updated our uArch in years (the last one was Skylake in ... 2015) and AMD is closely trailing us in the IPC metric (which is considered the cornerstone of CPU performance) and with the advent of 7nm process from the competing fabs is around the corner and AMD has all the chances to make us irrelevant".

    Oh, Qualcomm is about to introduce SnapDragon 1000 which is going to directly compete with Intel's ultra low-power/low-voltage CPUs.

    Intel has just found itself irrelevant because having been a monopoly for so long has eaten the company from the inside.

    Oh, and it's the middle of 2018 and we have yet to see their CPUs which have Meltdown (and Spectre to some extend) fixed in hardware. A bloody 12 months later year after the issue was reported to them. Instead Intel is about to rollout an anniversary 8086 CPU, which is the same old Coffee Lake (8700K) with a 5GHz turbo boost. WTF, Intel?!

  • "I think that would be a good idea", to paraphrase Gandhi.

    Since I moved to Linux about 19 years ago, I used to wonder about the term "personal computer", and how "PC == Wintel" to many people. Looking at all of those identical Windows appliances vs. all the fun and interesting setups of Linux enthusiasts. Linux machines ranging from supercomputing clusters to wristwatches around the turn of the millennium. What exactly did the Wintel people mean by "personal"? Something familiar to the average person, or

  • Your Plastic Pal Who's Fun to Be With!

  • How about not cheating to make your processors seem more powerful first?

    Otherwise, and most seriously, with me having a laptop that's only running a fraction of it's prior speed, and still not safe form Spectre or meltdown, please go do go fuck yourselves, you pieces of moldy shit.

  • I don't think Intel is going to be allowed to interject themselves into the customer boot experience [edge-op.org] :]

    '* NC & Java are platform challenges: - possible emergence of a set of API's and underlying system software that lead to lesser or no role for Windows' ref [edge-op.org]

    "it would be crazy to Intel define this .. the only urgent issue I can think of is defining how it boots, if we let Intel do this in a proprietary way we're screwed." ref [edge-op.org]

    'No NC mention in any specification .. Pat agreed to remove the words
  • It's fucking nothing. How is the PC not a "personal contribution platform"?
  • MORE THAN PERSONAL COMPUTERS
    Computers for Industry!
    Computers for the dead! [youtube.com]

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