Face ID Is Coming To the iPad Pro Next Year, Says Report (macrumors.com) 73
According to MacRumors, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said iPad Pro models set to be released in 2018 will come equipped with a TrueDepth Camera and will support Face ID. Apple is believed to be adding TrueDepth cameras to the iPad Pro to introduce a user experience that's consistent with the iPhone X and boost competitiveness. From the report: According to Kuo, TrueDepth Cameras will be limited to the iPad Pro, which is Apple's main flagship tablet device. Kuo also predicts 2018 iPhone models will adopt the new camera technology coming in the iPhone X, as he has mentioned in a previous note: "We predict iOS devices to be equipped with TrueDepth Camera in 2018F will include iPhone X and 2018 new iPhone and iPad models. Because of this, we believe more developers will pay attention to TrueDepth Camera/ facial recognition related applications. We expect Apple's (U.S.) major promotion of facial recognition related applications will encourage the Android camp to also dedicate more resources to developing hardware and facial recognition applications."
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Future ( 2018 ) versions of Apple devices will have the TrueDepth camera on the back for use with AR. You can disable the actual Face ID feature and still gain the benefits of TrueDepth.
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>TrueDepth camera on the back for use
Can you can point it strangers and use Face ID to identify them? I assume it'll only be a matter of time till Face ID "prints" are uploaded to centralized databases to use Face ID for authenticating at places where it won't be necessary to own an iPhoneX.
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Your assumption seems to be faulty. Apple has a history of trying to store as little of your data as they possibly can, since they're in the market of selling you a bit of hardware, rather than in the market of selling you.
They announced during the Keynote that the hash that they derive of your face print is stored inside the secure enclave of your device, and is never uploaded to anyone at all.
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I will be buying no Apple products that have Face ID.
Or, since it is an optional feature, you could just not set it up on your device.
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It's currently optional.
Should I assume you are unfamiliar with the story about the camel getting its nose into the tent?
Should I also assume you have faith that even if it remained optional, it would never be activated as part of an update?
Thanks for letting me start my day wearing an "Isn't That Cute" smile.
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It's currently optional.
Should I assume you are unfamiliar with the story about the camel getting its nose into the tent?
Should I also assume you have faith that even if it remained optional, it would never be activated as part of an update?
Thanks for letting me start my day wearing an "Isn't That Cute" smile.
Exactly! I mean they did it with Touch ID. It started out optional and now it's.... wait... still optional.
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It's currently optional.
Question: What possible motivation would Apple have in making FaceID mandatory?
Answer: Absolutely none.
Question: What possible motivation would dairy famers have in feeding nuclear waste to their cows?
Answer: Absolutely none, but you should boycott milk just in case.
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But you wont get the option of not to pay for it.
It uses a preexisting camera, and software with a marginal cost of $0. So it costs nothing.
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... to not buy it. I will be buying no Apple products that have Face ID.
So you will be buying the Androids with cheap Face ID knockoffs then?
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Any reason why?
This isn’t a cloud based thing, your face is local and encrypted on the device?
Do you like your devices insecure by default?
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Do you like your devices insecure by default?
We don't know how secure/insecure Face ID is yet, so this seems a bit off-target.
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Just as off target refusing to buy the product with Face ID.
Being that Apple had stated that they had tested it with professional masks and photos, and supposedly has a lower mach hit. Also Apple has had a good history with being secure. Because with the number of iDevices out there, a major hack would be a really big deal.
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Just as off target refusing to buy the product with Face ID.
Agreed. As long as it can be disabled, I see no reason to avoid something just because Face ID is included.
Being that Apple had stated
What I mean is that the only information we have as to how secure it is comes from Apple. Which means that we have no actual information about how secure it is. All we have are manufacturer's claims.
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That's nice you told us that.... Acutally FaceID would work with an iPad. You don't leave it in your pocket and you're typically looking at it. WIndows 10 recognition works reasonably well given that, again, you're typically facing the device when you start it up.
But on a phone, not so much. I really like the fingerprint scanner on my iPhone and iPad - not perfect - doesn't work in the cold and wet but it really isn't all that hard to punch six numbers on a keypad. Such first world problems.
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doesn't work in the cold and wet but it really isn't all that hard to punch six numbers on a keypad
Depends on the lightening conditions.
I have "auto adjust brightness" of, as it always adjusts the iPad to be to bright.
But that again means when I forget to turn it up at night, and I first use it at the bus station around 10:00 or later, in bright sun it is hard to enter the passphrase.
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So you just hate stuff?
I am not planning on getting an iPad just because it isn’t useful for me. But why all the hate? Were you the engineer for the surface or something?
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"UK Spy Agency Collected Webcam Images From Yahoo Users With The Help Of NSA, Report Says" Feb 27, 2014
https://techcrunch.com/2014/02... [techcrunch.com]
Collect it all just keeps on giving.
FUD (Score:5, Insightful)
What are you talking about? As written, this comment is does nothing but spread (unfounded, IMO) FUD. Apple has made a big deal about the facial scans never leaving the protection of the secure enclave. Is your position that Apple is colluding with the NSA, lying about the technical capabilities of their product? That there will be widely-distributed NSA malware that sneaks it's way onto iPhones and compromises the secure enclave and FaceID hardware? Arguably that ship has already sailed now that every smartphone user is carrying a GPS in their pocket whenever they leave the house.
Discussing the security implications of new tech is a worthwhile and constructive. The Economist did a fantastic cover story on the implications of widespread, accurate facial recognition tech a few months ago, if you need some talking points. Screaming "ORWELL! 1984! HUXLEY! POLICE STATE!" every time facial recognition comes up is nothing more than a waste of comment section space.
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That there will be widely-distributed NSA malware that sneaks it's way onto iPhones and compromises the secure enclave and FaceID hardware?
As I understand it, the distance data from the camera isn't routed directly to the secure enclave, it's available for AR applications. This means that it doesn't really matter to a malware author if they can't get into the secure enclave: they can just lift the data directly from the camera the next time that you look at the screen.
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Only data is stored in the secure enclave from what I understand. The secure enclave isn't an environment as it is storage area
It's a bit more complicated than that. The secure enclave offers services to the OS, for example you can give it a digital signature and ask if that signature was signed with a trusted key, or you can give it some data and ask it to decrypt or encrypt it with one of the stored keys. It needs to do these things so that the storage can be write-only: if you are able to pull the keys out of the secure element then you may as well do the whole thing in software. A number of Android phones do something simila
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This makes it much harder to prevent a malicious app from simply doing a face scan and uploading it to the NSA / FSB / Google / Flat Earth Society.
But what would be the harm? Yes someone might have the facial data from an iPhone. It would only work on an iPhone and you'd have to find a way to feed the iPhone the data and bypass the camera. Again it would rely on compromising an iPhone already.
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Not gonna happen for me (Score:2)
I can change a password. It's much harder, and more painful, to change my fingerprint.
Don't even get me started on how much harder, expensive, and painful it is to change my face. Trust me, I had a friend stay with me for a week after a facelift. Her face was a bruised mess that cost her 5 figures, and it took a good 6 months until she felt comfortable showing her face to people that
Yes, I currently have an older iPhone, and... (Score:1)
...no, I will not be buying any Apple product with Face ID.
Watch you react to advertising (Score:2)
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You pay for it; Google/Apple/Microsoft benefits from it. A terrific arrangement.
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The worst is that lineage OS or any version of AOSP is having more extreme difficulty on working on the majority of phones now. Google is doing everything to force you to watch ads. There's already crap propping up on peoples sleep/idle screen and claims that it's just third party software. And the talk of Google wanting to close off Android with the next releases like Apple is already putting me off. They very fact I can't have youtube playing with the screen off without rooting is already telling me a lot
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It's so nice that there's a none-of-the-above choice that many people on Slashdot have made, then, isn't it?
changing features? (Score:2)
How does it deal with five o'clock shadows, or faces that need to be shaved more often than others? Change your beard style? Makeup? You point your apple device at someone else and they think you're creep-shooting and they punch you in the face? Does the software compensate for swollen lips and black eyes?
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How does it deal with five o'clock shadows, or faces that need to be shaved more often than others? Change your beard style? Makeup?
It is designed to tolerate these changes.
Worst case scenario: It doesn't recognize you, and you enter your passcode instead.
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Given how much data is collected from any face (nose, eyes, mouth, lips, jaw measurements) enough unique data should exist from other face measurements that did not change with a beard.
The problem, of normal face changes was fix years ago.
The real money was in top, down, side, looking up CCTV collection. Working with much less face on direct, 2d like face data. That was a real 3d challenge.
If an average person is looking at the device, a lot of measurements should be abl
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Have you seen these AI augmented camera arrays? They are about the most frightening thing I have ever seen.
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Have you seen these AI augmented camera arrays? They are about the most frightening thing I have ever seen.
Just a few days ago I saw a demo of a script that correctly identified in a video a person that was standing in the shadows and that I couldn't myself identify. And it only took a few seconds even if the person wasn't in the video before the 3rd minute. And it all ran on local machines, no cloud involved. As far as I know, this was impossible two years ago - it would even have been giggles material if it had happened in an episode of CSI.
I can't even imagine what will be possible in 5 years. Or what is alre
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Just a few days ago I saw a demo of a script that correctly identified in a video a person that was standing in the shadows and that I couldn't myself identify.
These things were identifying the clothes people were wearing and the mood they were in, and there were hundreds of people in the field of view. Every car license plate, every persons phone number, name and address and if they have a criminal record. I think they being rolled out as 'traffic control devices'
Orwell was an optimist.
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How does it deal with five o'clock shadows, or faces that need to be shaved more often than others? Change your beard style? Makeup? You point your apple device at someone else and they think you're creep-shooting and they punch you in the face? Does the software compensate for swollen lips and black eyes?
Why are we having again discussions that we had 10 years ago when this technology became mainstream outside of the Apple ecosystem? Are you guys that disconnected from the evolution of technology or is it just some virulent form of cognitive dissonnance? What's next, discussing the witchery of USB ports or OLED screens?
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When...? (Score:1)
And when will it be working on the iPhone?
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And when will it be working on the iPhone?
Well considering it's only available on the iPhone X and that hasn't even been released yet....
How is this better than a finger scanner? (Score:2)
Seriously, I cannot think of too many circumstances where I would like to hold a giant screen in front of my face for a bit before I can use it.
Even a phone for that matter.
Driving, taking the phone out of the holder to hold it in front of your face whilst driving since the screen locked in the meantime? Nope, seems like a bad idea. Seems like pressing your finger to that little button facing you and within easy reach is a bit better.
Sure, I get it. Hipsters will have an amazing excuse to keep their iPhones
Facerecognitionbook (Score:2)
I just want to thank Facebook for it's facial recognition technology that will tag me in enough social situations to make me feel uncomfortable having my photo taken.
Fuck it, if they are going to push all this gender identification and unconscious bias training down my throat then as a 200 pound western man it is my right to identify as a cross dressing islamic woman with a hijab.
Another MacRumors repost from Beauhd (Score:1)
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