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Google Is Latest Company To Ditch Headphone Jack In Its Newest Smartphones (cultofmac.com) 391

When launching its original Pixel smartphone, Google mocked the iPhone 7's missing headphone jack in its marketing material. According to Cult of Mac, Google won't be doing the same for the Pixel 2. "The company has decided to remove the aging port from its latest handsets," reports Cult of Mac. "A new leak reveals that the lineup will rely solely on USB-C for wired connectivity." From the report: Incredibly reliable leaker Evan Blass has published pictures and details of Google's upcoming Pixel 2 smartphones on VentureBeat. He has also confirmed that neither device will feature a headphone jack, which means users will have to rely on a USB-C adapter or Bluetooth. It also means Google will no longer be able to put out Pixel ads that take sly swipes at the iPhone's missing port. Blass says both Pixel handsets will be powered by a Snapdragon 835 chipset -- the same one found in the Galaxy S8, the LG V30, and other 2017 flagships -- not a faster Snapdragon 836 processor as originally planned. Other features are said to include 12-megapixel cameras, 4GB of RAM, and 64GB or 128GB storage options. The smaller Pixel will pack a 5-inch 1080p display with a 16:9, while its larger sibling will pack a 6-inch Quad HD display with an 18:9 aspect ratio. Is the lack of a headphone jack a deal-breaker, or do you think the Pixel's other features, like stock Android and front-facing stereo speakers, will make up for it?

Google Is Latest Company To Ditch Headphone Jack In Its Newest Smartphones

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:06PM (#55304891)

    Android, leader in Chinese knock offs.

  • what about (Score:3, Interesting)

    by desdinova 216 ( 2000908 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:08PM (#55304897)
    a slot for a MicroSD card. given that I have other devices that have a headphone jack.
    • Google wants to keep you confused in their cloud while they sift through your files.

  • by LynnwoodRooster ( 966895 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:13PM (#55304911) Journal
    Samsung, the biggest cellphone maker of them all, still supports the 3.5mm jack. My new Note 8 has one, and with the 256 GB MicroSD card installed I have a ton of downloaded Tidal albums...
  • by Sin2x ( 1189089 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:15PM (#55304927)
    Sony and Nokia have phones with the same processor but with the 3.5mm jack, expandable storage and water/dust resistance. Their software is close to Google's and Sony contributes to AOSP. Google loses. Oh, and if you want to make good photos, buy a goddamn dedicated camera. No phone comes close and none will due to the laws of optics.
  • by SQLGuru ( 980662 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:15PM (#55304929) Journal

    It would be great if in conjunction with removing the headphone jack they were also releasing a bunch of affordable USB-C headphones. My current phone still supports regular headphones, but it also has USB-C. So every once in a while, I look to see if there are any USB-C headphones I can grab --- because I assume the audio quality will be better. But there's hardly anything on Amazon and what is there is more expensive than similar or better headphones that have the traditional plug.

    And it's not much better in the Apple space, either.

    • by Hentes ( 2461350 )

      USB-C is just the connector, the cable can carry both analog and digital signals.
      AFAIK USB-C analog mode is only meant for adapters, my guess is because noise cancellation isn't very good over distances beyond a couple centimeters. This is probably why you don't see any licenced USB-C headphones. Because it's just an adapter, there shouldn't be any difference in sound quality.
      Digital headphones are a different matter, they have their own DAC inside instead of using the one in the phone. With phone DACs bein

      • by SQLGuru ( 980662 )

        Well, the good news is I have the LG V20 which has a nice DAC in it.....

        • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

          My wife has that phone. I really like it. I always bought Samsung before but the lack of a removable battery moved me to LG.

    • I look to see if there are any USB-C headphones I can grab --- because I assume the audio quality will be better.

      That is not a good assumption to make. In fact I would wager the opposite. You're no longer paying for analogue audio design.

    • Apple throws in a Lightning-standard headphone jack adapter with each new iPhone. That being said, having switch to Bluetooth headphones and earbuds awhile ago (V-Moda Crossfade 2 Wireless and V-Moda Forza Metallo), I would say it's like switching to a cordless mouse. You really don't want to go back.

  • Yes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:24PM (#55304995)

    >"Is the lack of a headphone jack a deal-breaker"

    100% yes. Although I am not happy with lack of SD cards, I can handle that if a reasonable storage size is available, 64+GB. I am never happy with a non-swappable battery, but it seems that is beating a dead horse. Certainly also unhappy that wireless charging is so rare. Other unhappiness- lack of NFC, thinness instead of battery size, pixel density instead of brightness and efficiency, huge screen instead of portability.

    But I have to draw the line somewhere, and it is at losing a simple, compact, compatible, easy, reliable headphone jack. There is simply no really good reason to remove it. I don't know when I will or won't need it, and I don't want to carry a stupid adapter that also is expensive, easy to lose, sucks more power, is likely to break, makes the phone weak and awkward while using it, and prevents charging while using it.

    • by Osgeld ( 1900440 )

      I use mine while traveling, and yea its a pain in the butt to carry more shit around when I have to actually go on a trip, I got a charger, headphones, battery pack cause my stupid thin phone has a grand total of jack shit battery life

      and the killer of it all is that stuff is cheap, go to a conference, you end up with a entire bag of cables, chargers, headphones, battery packs and all sorts of other junk ... and yet companies want me to pay out the nose for a dongle I use 4 times a year and will loose after

    • I don't want to carry a stupid adapter that also is expensive, easy to lose, sucks more power, is likely to break, makes the phone weak and awkward while using it, and prevents charging while using it.

      https://www.amazon.com/Headpho... [amazon.com] For $6.90 your problem is solved. But keep whining if that makes you feel better...

      • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

        You either missed the point or ignored it. I don't care if they remove it. There's always someone to sell me what I want.

      • Re:Yes (Score:4, Informative)

        by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @11:43PM (#55305989)

        >" https://www.amazon.com/Headpho [amazon.com]... For $6.90 your problem is solved. But keep whining if that makes you feel better..."

        Let's see:

        1) 1.8 star review
        2) Something else to remember
        3) Something else to carry
        3) still consumes battery
        4) can't charge while using
        5) can't use headset, only headphones
        6) no option for inline controls
        7) major compatibility issues

        Exactly how does this solve the problem? So yeah, I will keep whining.

      • really, that looks exactly like the problem he was describing, the need to carry yet another device adapter on the off chance you might need to use the headphone jack.
  • by Trogre ( 513942 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:28PM (#55305021) Homepage

    No SD slot, and likely no Miracast.

    This is shaping up to be a very courageous phone design team indeed.

    Please note I'm using the modern definition of "courageous", ie pants-on-head loony.

  • by orionpi ( 318587 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:33PM (#55305051)

    This shouldn't come as any surprise considering how it was discussed in the context of DRM a decade ago. People choose the cloud, people loose choice.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

      DRM and plugging the analogue hole doesn't make any sense in the context of audio. The argument is always that the final signal is analogue so you can always record it.In the video world this process is imperfect and takes a considerable quality hit as the final analogue signal is made up of millions of individual analogue signals.

      In the audio world this process is absolutely perfect. The signal levels required to drive the analogue transducers to make sound to go in the ear are perfect for recording at top

  • ...as big a deal to me as removing the ability to charge and listen at the same time without needing another dongle or special splitter. I have an iphone6+ at the moment, but it is the last iPhone I will ever own because of Apples decision to remove the jack entirely from their later phones. My next phone, which I will probably get in a few months or so, will definitely be an android, but hearing this news, I guess it won't be one made by Google
  • by oic0 ( 1864384 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:36PM (#55305065)
    My car has aux in. They talk about how 3.5mm Jack's are crap and wear out. Well now I'm going to wear out my charging port and turn my phone into a paper weight. I think about it every time I plug my phone in to it.
    • Quick, get a Qi charger and use wireless charging before your USB port breaks.
    • by hawguy ( 1600213 )

      My car has aux in. They talk about how 3.5mm Jack's are crap and wear out. Well now I'm going to wear out my charging port and turn my phone into a paper weight. I think about it every time I plug my phone in to it.

      USB Type-C is rated for 10,000 connect/disconnect cycles [anandtech.com], So that's 4.5 years worth at 6 cycles/day.

    • Mine used to. Cables in the front of the car between the phone and the hifi are one of the dumbest ideas we ever introduced. From a safety perspective alone a bluetooth radio is a good idea in the car.

      That's also the only place it's a good idea. Cars are noisy, speakers are imperfect, they are horrible acoustically so there's no real problem having craptastic bluetooth audio pumped into a car.

      The same can't be said for headphones.

      Wired headphones, bluetooth car for me.

  • by bsdaddict ( 894188 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:37PM (#55305073)
    I use it in my car to connect to my oem head unit. I use to connect to some old powered PC speakers in the bathroom. I use it to connect to aux in on a few other devices. In other words, DEAL BREAKER.
    • I use it in my car to connect to my oem head unit. I use to connect to some old powered PC speakers in the bathroom. I use it to connect to aux in on a few other devices. In other words, DEAL BREAKER.

      New technology not suitable for person with 1980's technology. News at 11...

      • by cervesaebraciator ( 2352888 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @10:16PM (#55305661)

        Oblig [xkcd.com].

        His is a perfectly valid response. Just because something's from the 1980's doesn't mean we need to ditch it. Hell, I'm from the 1980's and I find new uses for myself all the time.

        Incidentally, the 3.5 mm jack is actually 19th c. tech [wikipedia.org], just slightly scaled down for some applications in the 20th c..

        • His is a perfectly valid response. Just because something's from the 1980's doesn't mean we need to ditch it.

          I never said you have to ditch it. If you are happy with 1980's tech then by all means keep using it. But some of us like moving forward and am happy to upgrade to take advantages of new features. USB-C supports both Digital and Analog, so for me who has a bunch of analog and digital things, it's a step in the right direction of unifying to a single connector for everything (analog/digital/data/power).

      • by nebular ( 76369 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @10:23PM (#55305689)

        The most advanced of soundboards still use connectors developed before WWII. This is literally an ain't broke, don't fix it situation. 3.5mm was just a shrinking of the size of patch cords. Requiring USB-C just adds unnecessary complexity to the simplest type of connection, basic stereo audio.

        • The most advanced of soundboards still use connectors developed before WWII. This is literally an ain't broke, don't fix it situation. 3.5mm was just a shrinking of the size of patch cords.

          But why shrink when 6.35mm ain't broke? Why not demand 6.35mm connectors for everything?
          There's reasons for change, just because you don't agree with those reason doesn't mean they don't exist. For me, unifying to a single connector for analog, digital, power and data is justified.

          Requiring USB-C just adds unnecessary complexity to the simplest type of connection, basic stereo audio.

          Same was said with parallel to serial, and RS232 to USB, records to CD to DVD to Blueray etc. and the same will be said with USB-C to the next thing.
          There will be some bitching an moaning at first, and in ten years people will w

    • I don't. From a safety point of view I ripped the head unit out and replaced it with one with bluetooth. Cables get tangled, and get in the way. Many negative points for the idiot that thought the AUX in point should be down near the gear stick.

      I use AUX in in many places, and headphones in even more. But cars, and noise cancelling headphones in planes are the two places where bluetooth audio really shines.

  • by Maltheus ( 248271 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @09:10PM (#55305235)

    Looks like we're going to need to go back to multiple devices soon.

  • by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) * on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @10:32PM (#55305729) Journal

    We're talking about a plug which is on possibly billions of devices.

    This isn't just headphones and headsets, this is being able to plug into the analog port on amplifier, this standard is used on boom boxes 20 years ago, on audio 'in' ports for the past 20 or 30 years on a plethora of devices.

    It's all fine and dandy for smarmy tools to say "oh shut up, get USB-C headphones!" but USB-C headphones won't work on my OTHER devices easily and I sure as shit don't see them changing any time soon, literally billions of devices over the world.

  • 2 things I look for in a phone: A) headphone jack; B) SDCC card. With B I can kinda ignore the shovelware in the phone, and expand the internal 8 G (1.2G after shovelware) to 32G of stuff I care about, like videos, pictures, and MP3s. Headphone jack? Give me a break. I'm gonna spend $200 on easily lost doohickeys to replace perfectly usable $80 headphones?

    Once again. No headphone jack, no sale. No SDCC card, no sale.

    Just deleting Facebook, which I don't have an account on, gives me room for 2
  • by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @11:18PM (#55305867)

    The company has decided to remove the aging port from its latest handsets.

    That's ageism [wikipedia.org]! Seriously though, what the fuck is wrong with companies? The headphone jack still works, digital wireless headphones have to use audio compression to have enough bandwidth and we're already listening to compressed audio in the first place. Are all new engineers deaf?

  • Like devices that don't have removable batteries, [samsunggeeks.com] bendy phones [redmondpie.com] and most of all holding it wrong [tumblr.com], it's only a problem when Apple is involved. Other manufacturers do the same or worse - Samsung Galaxy S6 cracked at the same pressure where the iPhone 6 bent - and people couldn't care less.

    It will be the same with Androids that don't have headphone jacks. Sure sure, some people have said they wont buy them. And next Monday, they'll still not be buying the Pixel 2 and not caring about it. Also on next Monday

  • I already decided not to get the Pixel, before this latest reason. It's really unclear where Google thinks they are going with this. Apple envy? Giving value for money, not so much.

  • by LostMyBeaver ( 1226054 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @02:27AM (#55306349)
    In my house, I have a minimum of several dozen devices with standard 3.5mm headphone jacks. This includes my stereo, my TVs, my iPads (no intention of upgrading, they're good enough), my Windows tablets (we have at least 15 laying around the house), Kindle (for text to speech) ,etc...

    To switch the headphones, I would need to replace about $40-$50,000 of devices.

    3.5 mm jacks are imperfect and always have been. They're a terrible design but probably the best we could hope for given the manufacturing equipment of the time. The original 1/4" "telephone plug" or monaural plug dates to 1878. The 3.5mm jack dates from the 50's but I can't find anything more precise from Googling. The fact that something so small could be made in the 50's... especially when most things had to be hand-assembled back then is truly amazing.

    So that said... given a standard that already dates back 60-70 years... I have no intention of giving up my headphones and their wires. They work well enough... I don't have to charge them... and since I prefer ear buds, I sure as shit don't want to lose them constantly because they're not physically attached to my phone.

    Oh... and dongles are just plain stupid... I have Ajay 5 headphones and have bought 20-30 pairs of AJays over the years because they are more durable than most others. They don't make dongles of comparable strength or cable quality.
  • lack of headphone jack, annoying but not a deal breaker, last years processor and screen tech together with standard camera offerings and common storage levels... now we are at deal breaker, shouldn't google be trying to lead by example not trying to be yet another middle of the pack "ok" phone.
  • No headphone jack, no deal. If you want to come up with a new standard for a headphone jack, be my guest... but it needs to be ANALOG, like current headphone jacks. But I don't object to making the jack smaller, as long as it's an open standard that any headphone manufacturer is free to produce. By the way, the OnePlus 5 has a headphone jack.

  • by Thanatiel ( 445743 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @11:42AM (#55308637)

    I don't want to wear Bluetooth headphones 5 to 6 hours a day (noise-cancelling, courtesy of that productivity killer fad of open-offices).
    As for the arguments for an SD slot : I want to be able to switch storage to another device easily and quickly and to do backups. Even if built-in storage was not so grossly overpriced, I would still choose SD.

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