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AMD Unveils E9170 Embedded GPU (zdnet.com) 49

AMD is releasing a new embedded Radeon GPU, the first to be based on the Polaris architecture. From a report: But this one isn't aimed at the desktop or laptop markets, but instead it expands AMD's offerings in the digital casino games, thin clients, medical displays, retail and digital signage, and industrial systems markets. The AMD Embedded Radeon E9173 GPU, based on the Polaris architecture, uses an optimized 14-nanometer FinFET manufacturing process to provide up to three times the performance-per-watt over previous generations of AMD Embedded GPUs. And the Radeon E9170 is quite a powerhouse, delivering up to 1.25 TFLOPS at sub-40W TDP board power, and includes 4K HEVC/H.265 and AVC/H.264 decode and encode support, 4K and 3D support, and is capable of driving up to five 4K displays using HDMI 2.0 and/or DisplayPort 1.4. AMD is planning for the Radeon E9173 to have a long lifecycle -- which high-end customers demand -- and plans for it to be available through to 2024.
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  • DirectX 12 support Digital casino games????? like you really want windows on BSOD when you win big?

    • See ATM machines in Safe Mode all the time, on XP kernels still. So casino games seem like natural frontier here actually.
    • by H3lldr0p ( 40304 )

      Have you been to a casino recently? All the spinner games have updated to video interfaces and touch displays with frankly dizzying array of oversaturated color and graphics so busy it's hard to keep track of everything going on. But that's all on purpose. To part you from your money.

      There's a reason why all the big game publishers have switched to crapifying their games with lootboxes and other gambling-lite features. They're all trying to get the same payday that casinos have had for years but are instead

      • I told my kids a long time a go that as soon as I see a game with gambling in it (even loot boxes), it's off their computers. I have made the exception for Overwatch because unlike LoL and a few others, the loot boxes seem to have no impact on the actual game play, only appearance. So in that case the rule is "no money on loot boxes".

        In the case of WoW, when we played it, it wasn't so bad because you could choose what you wanted and buy it. So, I would sometimes buy a pet if there was a campaign where the p
      • Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "lootbox"?
    • that you can bet on in an effort to draw in the millennials. Ars Technica had an article on a 4 player pac man machine where you put money in a pot and winner take all (less the casino's cut, of course). Millennials aren't playing slots, which is where all the money really was. Poker/Blackjack/etc don't bring in nearly as much. They're looking for something to replace slots. And a bunch of kids raised on smart phones who know your odds after 6 seconds on google and grew up with 32 bit+ video games aren't im
  • by Carewolf ( 581105 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @04:12PM (#55303961) Homepage

    Without Linux drivers? Hah...

    • Re:Embedded? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by TeknoHog ( 164938 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @04:54PM (#55304197) Homepage Journal

      Without Linux drivers? Hah...

      What? AMD's opensource driver framework is actually better performing than their closed Linux drivers (although the opensource version currently lacks fancier features such as OpenCL 2.0 and Vulkan). You install it the same way we used to do with most regular GPU drivers back in the day: select the appropriate part in vanilla kernel config, and then install the specific X/Mesa packages. Well, there's the firmware bit too, but in any case there's no need to reinstall anything upon kernel updates. I.e. no worrying about the latest kernel breaking the binary driver.

      Example: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.... [phoronix.com]

      • although the opensource version currently lacks fancier features such as OpenCL 2.0 and Vulkan

        Regarding fancies features :
        - the necessary bits are being upstreamed for ROCm, so you should be getting out-of-the-box OpenCL soonish.
        - DC/DAL is finally getting submitted for upstreaming, so by the time kernel 4.15 you'll get all the features such as Freesync, etc.
        - RADV, though developed, by 3rd parties (not by AMD) is getting rather decent. Conformance is getting good, though authors haven't been started putting lots of effort on optimisation yet.
        - Depending on whom you ask on the forums, AMD might con

    • by DrYak ( 748999 ) on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @05:22PM (#55304341) Homepage

      Actually, AMD is one of the few companies that *pays developpers* for an official opensource stack.

      Since quite some time, the opensource stack is the official openGL stack on windows, while the closed source (formely fglrx, now only a user-land GL stack that runs over the same AMDGPU kernel driver) is mainly targetted for the few workstation edge-cases that need some weird quirks for some obscure CAD software.

      Since the AMDGPU kernel driver, part of the code is shared accross platforms, thus new feature added to windows (like Freesync, etc.) can be added to Linux to.

      Since the past couple of weeks, DC/DAL is in the process of being merged upstream, (so Freesync and co should be working out of the box for linux kernel 4.15).

      Since the past couple of weeks, ROCm is also getting merged (so OpenCL should be working for out-of-the box Linux).

      The only currently missing bit, is an official opensource Vulkan implementation by AMD.
      Instead we currently get RADV which is opensource, but developped by outsiders and is getting more and more feature ful by the week, with lots of games working (though currently not with enormous performance gains normally expected of Vulkan - i.e.: the developpers are currently in 'conformance mode', trying to get the API implemented, they'll get to optimisations afterward).
      Notice that, depending on whomever from AMD you ask, they are officially hesitating if they shouldn't perhaps back RADV as an officially supported solution.

      TL;DR: opensource linux drivers by AMD is the normal way to go with Radeon.

  • 1.25 TFLOPs in sub 40-watt? Last I checked Radeon Duo was like 250w and 11.45TFLOPs. Unless the performance per power matches or beats the Duo, this is kinda shit for an embedded solution - not like embedded solutions weren't generally shit to begin with.

    • by Osgeld ( 1900440 )

      its made for kiosks and gambling machines etc, not for your laptop to play modern warfare on

      • by Khyber ( 864651 )

        A lot of businesses have specific power draw requirements put in place for things like maximum power draw, etc. to prevent excessive power bills from always-on equipment.

    • They are totally separate markets, and this is a huge upgrade over the last generation (1.25 TFLOP vs 768 GFLOP)---in the same power envelope.

      And, yes, the embedded GPUs are more efficient. AMD always pushes their desktop parts to maximum frequency/voltage to compete with NVIDIA in that market. They don't do that for embedded products because power/cooling matters more than absolute performance.

      With most Polaris GPUs, you can reduce power consumption by 20-30% with only a 5-10% performance hit. Not sure abo

    • 1.25 TFLOPs in sub 40-watt? Last I checked Radeon Duo was like 250w and 11.45TFLOPs

      Last I checked, the Radeon Duo wont run on passive cooling and costs a fuckton of money.

      Getting the picture yet?

      • by Khyber ( 864651 )

        Going by perf per watt, the Duo still wins, so one could just underclock/undervolt it, lock down the excess compute units, and probably still outperform the embedded part at the same power envelope.

        Or just use defective Duo dies.

  • I'm for anything with high power and low wattage. Congratulations AMD!!! I hope they blaze a path that others follow.
    • Not really a new path. NVIDIA has the Tegra [wikipedia.org] line for that. It is powering the Nintendo Switch, and other things.
      • It's my fault. My original post stopped at chips.. I should have included everything from solar cells, to satellites, to light bulbs. (100 watt output with just 12 watts with an LED bulb.) It's a far cry in light output from just a couple of years ago! And cars? The sky is the limit. My hope is that people will see the consumption of power as a precious resource and make awesome stuff that barely consumes it.
  • Oh good. I'm still waiting for an apology for their last atrocity, the E1 CPU. It's slightly slower than a 1999 model pentium 3 and they tried to run Windows 8 on it.
    • I blame companies like Lenovo for even trying to use those E1s in bottom-of-the-barrel-budget computers with fat clients like Windows 10, when those CPU's are good for thin clients and very little else. Those damn machines were sold and not even fit for purpose.

  • ... just in time for when the next generation is done :/

  • by LostMyBeaver ( 1226054 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @01:59AM (#55306421)
    and Matrox.

    If the absolute first item on the list is gambling related, then I see a company that considers preying on the weak as a legitimate means of getting ahead.

    Sure, AMD isn't running the casino itself... maybe not even making the machines. But they believe it's not in poor taste to openly discuss how they will gladly help companies who do run the games or build the machines to abuse weak people.

    Talking about gambling is something you don't do in good company. It's like talking about rape openly. Or child abuse. It's basically something that you DON'T EVER DO and if you do do it, then you take everything you own and sell it, donate the money to the recovery of whomever was harmed and then put a bullet in your head to make sure you never do it again. Gambling and supporting gambling (this includes Wall Street) is a disgusting thing. It takes people who are stupid enough to think they can play the odds and win... all while you sit back knowing that even if the sucker wins a little, it'll just build his confidence up so you can get more from him later. Then you get the really disgusting gambling which screws up peoples retirements and causes them to live in the poor house for years (mutuals, hedges, etc...)

    We don't talk openly about being a gambler, taking money from gamblers, helping to take money from gamblers. This is just filthy.

    AMD... don't you think it's bad enough there's an American president who believes that it's perfectly ok to intentionally prey on the weak? And that it's legitimate to build your wealth by basically stealing money from stupid people? And the belief of "If they're dumb enough to put their money on the table, then it's practically my duty to take it from them."

    Advertising that you support NASDAQ or NYSE etc... I can almost forgive... at least there are some rules there which are supposed to protect people from being preyed upon. But I won't buy for myself or my company any products which openly support casinos or lotteries.

    P.S. - When weak people are preyed upon, while it may be their money, it becomes our burden to support them. I'm no OK with Trump, AMD or anyone else profiting from screwing poor people and making it so that I have to pay for their retirements and welfare.

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