iOS 11 Released (theverge.com) 139
Today, Apple released the final version of iOS 11, its latest mobile operating system. If you have an iPhone or iPad that was released within the last few years, you should be able to download the new update if you navigate to the Settings panel and check for a software update under the General tab. The Verge reports: OS 11, first unveiled in detail back at Apple's WWDC in June, is the same incremental annual refresh we've come to expect from the company, but it hides some impressive complexity under the surface. Not only does it add some neat features to iOS for the first time, like ARKit capabilities for augmented reality and a new Files app, but it also comes with much-needed improvements to Siri; screenshot capture and editing; and the Control Center, which is now more fully featured and customizable. For iPads, iOS 11 is more of an overhaul. The software now better supports multitasking so you can more easily bring two apps into split-screen mode, or even add a third now. The new drag-and-drop features are also much more powerful on iPad, letting you manage stuff in the Files app more intuitively and even letting you drag and drop photos and text from one app to another.
Re:It changes the file system without asking (Score:5, Insightful)
You never had direct access to the file system, so why do you care?
I work on a file system -intensive commercial App and we haven't had to bat an eye lid about these changes, because we use standard APIs and dont linger on deprecated APIs.
You are confused (Score:5, Informative)
iOS devices were automatically converted to APFS back with iOS 10.3....
Yes more Apple Hater ignorance on parade, like a giant floating turkey with the word STUPID stamped on the forehead.
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So what is the problem?
Why would Apple ask you or really anyone about changing the file system?
For the most part for normal users and even most developers these changes are transparent. If you were doing something that complex where the file system mattered chances are you were doing it wrong.
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Fuck this iOS...
So what is the problem?
What's usually the problem when you want to fuck something but you can't and as a result you get grumpy? Maybe iOS told him it wasn't in the mood because it had a headache or ... maybe .... maybe, he just rand out of Viagra?
Released? (Score:2)
Or escaped??
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Pushed out...
This is Apple, you WILL take the update!
(sarc off)
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That's only for Klingon OSes
Features removed, Fing neutered (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:Features removed, Fing neutered (Score:5, Informative)
I use Fing quite a bit for quick network scans. It's super useful because it identifies a large number of devices by brand. It does this by using MAC addresses.
Unfortunately, allowing apps to access your MAC address gives them a unique device identifier that can be sent over the network and used for tracking. Apple has removed this tracking vector. It sounds like Fing found the one useful non-tracking use for MAC addresses, and it got caught up in the security improvements.
Yaz
the operators own tracking... (Score:2)
The operators now own all the tracking... this is not about privacy its about control
Network/Carriers simply inject cookies for advertising if they own media assets
(https://www.accessnow.org/verizon-fined-1-35-million-use-supercookies/)
The real problem is that Mobile network Operators can decrypt the streams via the MITM after all they own the Certificate authorities and can sign on the fly (its so bad that even advertisers had to ban some from their browsers)
EV certificates are not the answer IMHO :
https:
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Unfortunately, allowing apps to access your MAC address
But why should Apple decide what gets allowed on "my" device? I mean I get to decide if an App is able to see my exact location for tracking purposes but I'm not able to decide if it has access to this significantly less invasive tracking method?
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The problem is then explaining this to most end users.
"This is dangerous, do not accept this permission unless you really know what you're doing". Is a good way to start. People who go ahead anyway don't give a crap about their own system, and likely privacy and security as well. It shouldn't be up to Apple to deal with the truly stupid at the expense of functionality. If we keep going the iPhone XIV will replace the entire screen with a single big button with a label "push here if you're drooling from the mouth because your brain has ceased functioning". At
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I agree that it would be nice if this could be turned off on a per-app basis, but suggesting it's less invasive isn't correct, given the existence of international databases that provide locations for the vast majority of hotspots that can be observed by a car driving around. When news broke a few months back that apps were using MAC addresses to geolocate users who had location tracking turned off, a few links started circulating that would let you punch in the name of your hotspot and then would show it t
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Perhaps they could make MAC addresses available if the user allows location tracking? Seems like that would be the reasonable compromise.
I don't think that idea is workable. Locations are needed by lots of legitimate applications, and tracking is then not controllable separate from this.
I would say tie it to a developer mode, like location forging is in Android. Users need to purposefully enable developer mode and make that complicated enough and you weed out the stupid and leave only the ones who know what they are doing, or those incredibly committed to breaking their own privacy.
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Go find an old iPhone (you can find the 4S for $20), leave Fing and the other edge case programs on it and use as needed. OF COURSE there are going be winners and losers with significant structural changes. But the vast majority of the Apple universe would thing that Fing was some marginally obscene gesture that their kids picked up from junior high.
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MAC addresses of other devices on the network?
Or its own MAC address?
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My son just tested his, it scans the MAC addresses themselves fine, it just doesn't auto-detect the device brand or hostname; you get "generic". You could cross reference the brand from a mac-vendor list website, but it seems to scan MAC addresses themselves. You just won't get any further info about the devices it finds.
Re: Features removed, Fing neutered (Score:1)
Right. You would rather have the buggy, insecure OS on the other phones. You know, the one the FBI does not have to take to court to get access too.
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Apple's App Store takes a 30% cut. As does Google Play.
There are other Android stores that take less, but they don't have much volume, so that's not much point.
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Except at least on Android you have the option to sell yourself bypassing that 30% cut if you want to.
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Good luck with that.
Re:iPad 2 (Score:5, Insightful)
I have an iPad2 that is working perfectly well - except the AppStore won't let me upgrade past iOS 9.something.
Thanks Apple!
Your iPad 2 was released 6 years ago. It was supported with bug fixes and upgrades for just about 5 years. That is actually remarkable for any device in this day and age. You say it is working fine, so keep using it until it dies.
Re:iPad 2 (Score:4, Insightful)
"Remarkable" if you're an Apple user. Windows 7 is supported for 11 years (at least). Windows XP was supported for 13 years.
Re: iPad 2 (Score:3)
Iâ(TM)d love for you to make that argument for Windows Mobile. Thatâ(TM)d be pretty funny.
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How do you argue with crazy? The OP was talking about the iPad 2, an electronic device that won't run iOS 11.
You're talking about Windows 7 and XP, which are software operating systems and not electronic devices. No comparison.
Here are two that don't help you at all:
-The majority of Android devices are running version 4.4 or earlier and cannot be updated, nor will they by the carriers.
-Microsoft released devices to run Windows RT, an OS released in 2011 that hasn't been updated since 2015. The devices ar
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Desktop OSs and Phone OSs are not the same.
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I just wish the UI designers would wise up to this fact.
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I just wish the UI designers would wise up to this fact.
Oh, SNAP! I'd +10 you if I could.
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Android devices are cheap enough that's not really a big deal. For the prices Apple charges, you better be getting 10 years of updates.
Oh, just wave away any facts you don't like. There are plenty of several hundred dollar Android devices that are not getting updates after just a couple of years. That is a big deal to my wallet. I started out as an Android user. Samsung dropped support for my phone at about 1.5 years. You can bet I didn't replace it with another Android.
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"Remarkable" if you're an Apple user. Windows 7 is supported for 11 years (at least). Windows XP was supported for 13 years.
Shame neither of them worked on an ultra low-power tablet device during a period where technical innovation was extreme.
Speaking of supported. My windows 3.11 machine utterly failed to upgrade to Windows 95 and there was only 3 years between releases.
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Lucky I guess.
Or maybe not. After all we all know ($VERSION_OF_WINDOWS_BEING_TALKED_ABOUT - 1) was the last truly usable one. :-)
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Stop making pertinent comparisons! /s
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A pad is not a computer.
If you want to compare apples with egs, then compare Windows X with Mac OS X or macOS.
Then again, there is usually no urgent need in the Apple world too upgrade to the next OS version. I deliberatly run my 17" Mac Book Pro on 10.6.x IMHO the best OS X.
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You've got it the wrong way around. You have to think about how long the hardware is supported, and consider newer versions of the operating system as patches to the original. From this perspective, the the mid 2007 MacBook Pros and early 2009 MacBooks are still receiving security patches via OS X 10.11 El Capitan. I'm still using one of these ten year old MacBook Pros at home, and it's going great, and the OS its running is still supported by Apple.
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ow is this comment modded up as insightful? This is an apple's and oranges comparison.
We are talking about phone/pad OSs. You are lucky to get 2 years of updates for a phone. And the PC tablets are lucky to still be running in 2 years.
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You do realize that Windows is not a device, right? You're making an apples-to-oranges comparison by conflating the OS for the device running it.
The question you need to be asking is how long a typical PC purchased in 2001 at the time of XP's launch was supported with the latest version of Windows. Given that we were seeing rather significant performance gains in CPUs around the turn of the millennium, old hardware quickly became obsolete back then. On the flip side of that, Vista was a resource hog compare
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The iPad 2 has a 32-bit processor. iOS 11 is 64-bit only.
If you can find a way to make a 64-bit OS work on a 32-bit device, please be my guest.
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If you run it inhouose as appliance ... what exactly is insecure then? ... but not important, as I'm likely now less than one promille of the iPad traffic :)
What security flaws does 7.1.2 have? I'm not aware of any
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If you run it inhouose as appliance ... what exactly is insecure then?
Does it connect to the WiFi? If so, the vulnerability in the WiFi firmware that allows an attacker to run arbitrary privileged code probably matters. Do you use the web browser? If so, there are several known Safari vulnerabilities that could be exploited if you look at any pages other than ones that you control. Do you allow anything (including WebGL) to access a GPU context? If so, you might care about the (several) memory management vulnerabilities in the kernel's part of the graphics stack that all
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And all that wont happen if you only use it for inhouse appliances.
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Thanks Apple!
Apple: You're welcome! Please continue to enjoy your perfectly working 6 year old device.
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Umm so. You have an older device, and you really expect the new version to run on older devices? Mobile devices are rather optimized trying to keep all old platforms compatible with a new OS, is in general a bad idea.
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I'm not sure the new headers, like "Inbox" and other top level descriptions looks right. Odd design choice with a big ugly text string at the top of the page. Surely they could have made it more aesthetically pleasing.
Complete waste of screen real estate with those headers.
The designers should be shot.
New poll (Score:1)
tbh their mistakes aren't much worse than Microsoft's or Ubuntu's though, so maybe they'll keep going for a while.
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You need to post options.
But, they are literally sitting on a pile of cash larger than the money the US government just wasted on the US military in budget increases this year.
So ... never.
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Type AAPL in to google and click "5 years" or "max" to have an idea of when Apple will be collapsing in to a heap of the past...
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People are still buying it, I don't see anything out there to dethrone them.
Sure they may have good competition from Android, but at this point, either OS isn't different enough to really cause people to do a mass switch over. Unlike the release of the iPhone a decade ago where it offered a brand new device. We are now having competition of screen screens with touchscreens.
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And when Apple is in deep trouble, when will Steve Jobs return to fix the mess like in 1997 as shown in this old MacWorld video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... [youtube.com] ... Oh right, he's dead. :(
What's this? (Score:1)
They are making good choices (Score:2)
When you don't include an SDCARD and put it Live View Photos using a 20-quadrillion pixel camera, you have to do something to optimize space on the device. Hope HEIF and HVEC are good choices.
They are very good choices, HEIF offering much better than JPG [cnet.com] compression, and more importantly allowing them to store exotic metadata like depth maps with each photo.
But on top of that, if you enable pushing photos out to iCloud, over time the originals will be removed from your system and kept in the cloud until you
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HEIF offering much better than JPG compression
HEIF doesn't offer any compression because it's just an image container format [github.com], which can also contain JPEG data.
Got that backwards... (Score:2)
I hadn't looked at it in a while and thought that was the new image format and the other was the container. Oops! Regardless, the point stands that they have a new format that has a much better compression than JPEG, and the container (as I also noted) lets them hold lots of other stuff alongside.
5 years support (Score:1)
"If you have an iPhone or iPad that was released within the last few years, you should be able to download the new update [...]"
Take that Google.
OMG the icons they burn! (Score:1)
Aaaahhhhhh!
Sorry, it was the first thing I noticed, because I never pay for apps, so nothing broke.
Relief (Score:2)
You should be able to download the new update (Score:2)
...but you probably don't want to.
How does it perform in older iPhones? (Score:2)
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I installed it on my 6 right away and haven't noticed any slow downs. Even runs good with the screen recorder running. Tried a few games as well, but I don't have any of those really graphics intensive ones to know how they'd fair.
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Seems to be good on my 6. No performance impact, at least nothing immediately obvious. Still early of course, we'll see...
Re: How does it perform in older iPhones? (Score:2)
I always wait for the .1 releases for these things. Maybe by then ID will have provided a 64-bit build of Doom, otherwise I'm gonna be in conflict!
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It works about as well as iOS 10 did, but with the new options for reviewing what junk is taking up space on your phone, it gives you a lot more room to work if you made a dumb decision (like me) and bought the 16GB version.
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That's okay. As per previous stories on Slashdot, Apple has argued in court that their devices are only built to last a year anyway.
They have literally said that, in a court of law.
Yet people still buy them.
Progressive features, like blocking public wifi (Score:3)
Users reported issues during the dev builds earlier in the summer but it seems they've rolled out these 'features' (bugs) regardless and piles of people can't connect to public wifi, especially if it doesn't have a password. There's an auto-join function to override whatever the feature is supposed to represent but it's not working.
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Just upgraded....fuck you Apple (Score:1)
Why the fuck am I losing about an inch of screen real estate for Apple to tell my I'm looking at my mailboxes? Or that I'm in my Inbox?
Who designed this shit?
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No discoverability. No affordances. (Score:1)
It's wrong on so many levels, simply unbelievable. Hideous, 'flat' icons that look like absolute rubbish, all the same colour background (on some of the screens I saw), randomly swiping in different directions reveals other screens underneath. How is anybody supposed to know any of this without being shown it? This is just getting beyond a joke. Apple are making their user interface worse and worse with every new OS release.
Stop mucking with iOS (Score:1)
Nice on ipad pro but app frustration (Score:2)
So what is the frustration - I didnâ(TM)t expect that I had such a large number of 32 bit apps that donâ(TM)t work anymore. Hope that enough of them will still be upgraded.