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Intel Officially Reveals Post-8th Generation Core Architecture Code Name: Ice Lake, Built On 10nm+ (anandtech.com) 95

Intel has confirmed the existence of a new processor family called Ice Lake that will be made on Intel's 10nm+ process. The company published basic information on the Ice Lake architecture on their codename decoder. AnandTech reports: This is an unexpected development as the company has yet to formally detail (let alone launch) the first 10nm Core architecture -- Cannon Lake -- and it's rare these days for Intel to talk more than a generation ahead in CPU architectures. Equally as interesting is the fact that Intel is calling Ice Lake the successor to their upcoming 8th generation Coffee Lake processors, which codename bingo aside, throws some confusion on where the 14nm Coffee Lake and 10nm Cannon Lake will eventually stand. As a refresher, the last few generations of Core have been Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, Broadwell, Haswell, Skylake, with Kaby Lake being the latest and was recently released at the top of the year. Kaby Lake is Intel's third Core product produced using a 14nm lithography process, specifically the second-generation '14 PLUS' (or 14+) version of Intel's 14nm process.

Working purely on lithographic nomenclature, Intel has three processes on 14nm: 14, 14+, and 14++. As shown to everyone at Intel's Technology Manufacturing Day a couple of months ago, these will be followed by a trio of 10nm processes: 10nm, 10nm+ (10+), and 10++. On the desktop, Core processors will go from 14 to 14+ to 14++, such that we move from Skylake to Kaby Lake to Coffee Lake. On the Laptop side, this goes from 14 to 14+ to 14++/10, such that we move from Skylake to Kaby Lake to Coffee Lake like the desktops, but also that at some time during the Coffee Lake generation, Cannon Lake will also be launched for laptops. The next node for both after this is 10+, which will be helmed by the Ice Lake architecture.

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Intel Officially Reveals Post-8th Generation Core Architecture Code Name: Ice Lake, Built On 10nm+

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  • by Crashmarik ( 635988 ) on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:13PM (#55022679)

    Coffee Lake is looking like a loser vs Ryzen only thing it's holding its own is single thread performance
    Not surprising that Intel would try to shift the focus to things that don't exist yet.

    • by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:22PM (#55022709)

      It's even funnier that they're trying to focus on things past their own next-future product which isn't even out either.

      Can you imagine Toyota telling us about their new 2019 cars in mid-2017? ... or is it already happening and Intel are just copying car companies now? I have no idea since I don't have cable or satellite, I don't read newspapers. And to continue with the stereotyping, I'm also a vegan.

      • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:47PM (#55022797)

        And to continue with the stereotyping, I'm also a vegan.

        You forgot to mention that you don't have a Facebook account.

      • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @01:54AM (#55023395) Homepage

        It's even funnier that they're trying to focus on things past their own next-future product which isn't even out either. Can you imagine Toyota telling us about their new 2019 cars in mid-2017?

        Well the devil's advocate could say that you want them to only focus on next quarter's profits. Intel has always talked to investors and technology analysts about their road map, their code names and process architecture has never been directed at consumers. Let's compare them to the competition, how long before the release of an actual Zen processor did AMD start to hype it up? Announced in May 2015, released in March 2017. Or if you want to do the car analogy, how long from Musk announced the Model 3 until the first one rolled off the assembly line? July 2014 to July 2017.

        The reason we are discussing Intel's road map now is that we don't quite believe them anymore. They used to have a tick-tock, now it's like 2014 14nm, 2015 14nm, 2016 14nm+, 2017 14nm++. Those two years that were supposed to become three (process-architecture-enhancement) is now four, sure it's damage control. But it's not really damage control directed at consumers, this is talking to the stock market saying we've been enhancing the product we have and we got a plan. Nothing particularly unexpected here, but exclude the 10nm and redraw the progress lines and they're slipping...

      • Can you imagine Toyota telling us about their new 2019 cars in mid-2017?

        Yep. Happens all the time. It takes years to spin up a new architecture.

      • by haruchai ( 17472 )

        "Can you imagine Toyota telling us about their new 2019 cars in mid-2017? ... or is it already happening and Intel are just copying car companies now?"

        That's pretty much what most automakers are telling us about their electric car roadmap.
        "We have fuck-all now but we'll own the segment after 2020. #KickTeslaAss"

      • by torkus ( 1133985 )

        If they had to build a whole new multi-billion dollar, research-intensive car plant every time they refreshed a car line, then yes.

        Intel is talking a bit further out than usual but each litho generation is being stretched longer now as well. They're talking about fab plans they're finishing research on and/or starting to build NOW so they're online and working in 2019.

      • Can you imagine Toyota telling us about their new 2019 cars in mid-2017

        But cars don't really change much from year to year. We certainly don't see a doubling of performance in a couple years. There's nothing exciting about a car from 2019 to someone in 2017.

    • Its not as if Intel is the only one playing this game - we had been hearing about Zen from AMD more than a year before it was released, with significant PR done on it with the resulting drum beating from the usual corners, including many users here on Slashdot.

      Heres a Slashdot article from August 2016, nearly a year before the release of the first Zen architecture chips, where AMD are definitely beating their own drum:

      AMD Says Upcoming Zen CPU Will Outperform Intel Broadwell-E [slashdot.org]

    • only thing it's holding its own is single thread performance

      Yet, this is an incredibly important metric at least until software development catches up with the hardware. Know thy use case and use the right tool for the job.

    • As long as Ryzen is segfaulting under load, AMD has won jack. E.g., my employer will not be buying any workstations or servers until the problem is conclusively fixed.

      If some new feature is broken (like HLE when Intel launched it), then whatever---people will simply wait to adopt the new feature. But when basic functionality is broken (like heavy compilation jobs on Ryzen), you have a serious problem.

      The competition is forcing Intel to adjust their prices, but Ryzen is neither a slam dunk winner nor an unqu

  • Ice Lake.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by intellitech ( 1912116 ) on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:15PM (#55022685)

    ..because winter is coming.. err.. here?

  • by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:20PM (#55022703)

    Coffee Lake? Ice Lake?

    What's next? Iced Coffee Lake?

  • by Grishnakh ( 216268 ) on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:30PM (#55022739)

    Since it's the 8th-generation, "Octium" would be fitting. There was even a Lone Gunmen episode about it...

    • Since it's the 8th-generation, "Octium" would be fitting. There was even a Lone Gunmen episode about it...

      Yes, there was.

  • by Snufu ( 1049644 ) on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:39PM (#55022765)

    They go to 11.

  • Intel's Problem (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @09:42PM (#55022775)

    Intel has two "problem" architectures - Broadwell and Cannonlake. Both suffer from debuting on a new and untested process. Broadwell took forever and a day to make it out of the mobile sector, eventually finding its way into Xeon-D, Xeon, and HEDT products as well (not counting the mostly-unsupported and barely-mentioned Broadwell-C and Broadwell-R processors). Skylake and Kabylake were basically on the same process with uarch tweaks. Okay, Kabylake is on 14nm+ but whatever.

    If you will recall, delays in the 14nm process caused Intel to re-release Haswell as Devil's Canyon, otherwise known as the i7-4790k and i5-4690k processors or "Haswell Refresh".

    Intel is experiencing delays with 10nm and Cannonlake which is meant to be its debut architecture. They are using Coffeelake as a "Kabylake Refresh" since it uses the same core architecture as Kaby (and Skylake; in fact, both Kabylake and Coffeelake are Skylake refreshes). It uses a respun version of 14nm+ - 14nm++ or whatever you want to call it - and it features up to two more cores than what you can get with Kabylake.

    So Cannonlake is only a definite go for mobile whenever Intel is finally ready to start selling 10nm CPUs. That could be a bit.

    We may eventually see Xeon-D products, Xeon products, and HEDT products based on Cannonlake. On the desktop, we should not expect Cannonlake at all, not even a successor to the controversial Broadwell-C. So just as most Intel buyers made the jump from Haswell to Skylake, now we're going to make the jump from Skylake/Kabylake/Coffeelake to Icelake. They skipped Broadwell on the desktop (mostly), and now they're skipping Cannonlake.

    The other thing that's really confusing is that Intel hasn't actually released a new uarch in awhile. Their last "new" uarch was Skylake. Skylake-X - the HEDT/server version of Skylake - is nothing but Skylake with bolt-on AVX512 functionality and a rejiggered cache configuration to make it more competitive in certain server workloads (as a consequence, Skylake-X is slower in games at any given clockspeed than Skylake/Kabylake at the same clock). All signs point to Coffeelake being planned all along as a die-shrink of Skylake to 10nm. So Skylake, Kabylake, Coffeelake, and (probably) Coffeelake ARE ALL ACTUALLY THE SAME UARCH. Weird huh?

    Icelake will be the first "new" uarch Intel will have released since the debut of Skylake.

  • AMD (Score:5, Insightful)

    by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @10:03PM (#55022835)

    Translation of the whole thing comes down to: "We are officially a little scared by what AMD is able to do right now, so we are going to lay out our future plans to kick butt."

    • by zlives ( 2009072 )

      i wonder if AMD will also respond with some (currently vaporware) "advanced marketing" material.

  • Great plan (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @10:26PM (#55022901)

    When someone else starts to eat your lunch, announce vaporware. That old dodge still works.

  • Blowing hot air. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @10:30PM (#55022919)

    It's quite clear that none of Intel's offerings can compete with what AMD has just released which leaves Intel playing the game it knows best: deceit. This display is merely a ploy to save face by talking about a theoretical processor they may make. I have no doubt that Intel is up to it's old anti-competitive tricks again and paying off companies to not sell computers with AMD chips and such. My only hope is that this time around they get their asses handed to them.

  • Could someone explain (or point to an explanation of) the significance of the "+" and "++" in the nomenclature?

  • Op doesn't understand the meaning of ++
  • should make a great name for a future AMD product.

  • So, 9th generation, then?

  • Of course there's something else after the latest and greatest. Its not like intel is just going to say "Whoops, no more chips! Sorry!"

    With this much of a marketing tie in lead, are they going to start funding new processors via presales at gamestop?

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