Modern 'Hackintoshes' Show That Apple Should Probably Just Build a Mac Tower (arstechnica.com) 219
An anonymous reader shares an excerpt from a report written by Andrew Cunningham via Ars Technica: Apple is working on new desktop Macs, including a ground-up redesign of the tiny-but-controversial 2013 Mac Pro. We're also due for some new iMacs, which Apple says will include some features that will make less-demanding pro users happy. But we don't know when they're coming, and the Mac Pro in particular is going to take at least a year to get here. Apple's reassurances are nice, but it's a small comfort to anyone who wants high-end processing power in a Mac right now. Apple hasn't put out a new desktop since it refreshed the iMacs in October of 2015, and the older, slower components in these computers keeps Apple out of new high-end fields like VR. This is a problem for people who prefer or need macOS, since Apple's operating system is only really designed to work on Apple's hardware. But for the truly adventurous and desperate, there's another place to turn: fake Macs built with standard PC components, popularly known as "Hackintoshes." They've been around for a long time, but the state of Apple's desktop lineup is making them feel newly relevant these days. So we spoke with people who currently rely on Hackintoshes to see how the computers are being used -- and what they'd like to see from Apple.
Why a Hackintosh? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Yeah, it's called OS X.
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Actually, it's called macOS :)
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Exactly. I find OS X itself to be both more powerful and aesthetically pleasing than anything Microsoft has released since Windows 8. To me, OS X is an adult OS, where Windows is the perfect complement for an Xbox One fan who digs color-changing gaming keyboards and Live Tiles. OS X is a POSIX compliant OS that also has a respectable volume of commercial applications and games, a huge array of command-line software through Brew and MacPorts, vendor support for video cards and most hardware, as well as ac
Re:Why a Hackintosh? (Score:4, Informative)
Final Cut Pro is Mac-only. There are probably other examples.
Artists in particular tend do like OSX and a Hackintosh is an interesting option if they need a powerful machine.
There is Mac only software that people need (Score:4, Insightful)
To start with of course, all of the MANY developers for iOS need to use Xcode, and that is absolutely Mac only - not to mention a huge base of people who want compiles to be as fast as possible.
Also some software that has become very popular with designers is Sketch, which is Mac only.
But on top of that, even if you are using something like Photoshop which is cross platform, you may well just prefer how OS X works over Windows.
Obviously Linux is simply a non-starter for any people that need a professional platform that is not primarily for development...
Re: There is Mac only software that people need (Score:2)
I've only ever owned one Mac, and I installed Gentoo on it after about a month, then sold it about a year later.
OSX is a terrible interface, riddled with plenty of gotcha's that just frustrate the user eventually. Maybe its better now, but I used it back in 2008 or so.
I personally prefer Linux, but I've spent some time in Windows land. I also use Photoshop/Illustrator on a regular basis, so I have Win10 in a VM on my main workstation.
Even if I could use OSX in the same way (in a VM), while theoretically pos
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OSX is a terrible interface, riddled with plenty of gotcha's that just frustrate the user eventually. Maybe its better now, but I used it back in 2008 or so.
That was a quite a while ago - who gotchas? I've not really found any, and I came more from a UNIX than a Windows world.
I've only ever owned one Mac, and I installed Gentoo on it after about a month,
Why do that when you could just use the BSD tools that come with it along with an X-Windows server?
Even if I could use OSX in the same way (in a VM)
You can
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OSX is a terrible interface, riddled with plenty of gotcha's that just frustrate the user eventually. Maybe its better now, but I used it back in 2008 or so.
Care to expand on that? A few counter examples:
The buttons in dialog boxes are all the correct way around. The 'proceed' item is on the right, the 'back' equivalent is on the left[1]. In contrast, Windows has them the wrong way around and Linux DEs have them inconsistently ordered (which is even worse: at least with Windows you eventually get used to the counterintuitive behaviour).
Dialog box buttons are all labelled with verbs. For example 'print' or 'download' not 'okay' for the forward action. I
Re:Why a Hackintosh? (Score:4, Insightful)
Obviously, given this bullshit, it would be best to steer clear of Apple products all together, but some of us need to make money.
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you can use iTunes in Windows
You can, but it didn't port that well. It's not quite as much of a bloated, smelly mess in OS X.
Re:Why a Hackintosh? (Score:5, Insightful)
For Hackintoshes to become popular, presumably, there is some software on a Mac that isn't available elsewhere. What is driving the Hackintosh need? Personally (note the qualifier), I totally fail to see the need for a Hackintosh - I think all operating systems are fairly advanced and usable now, and it doesn't take long to be proficient in Linux or Windows (or FreeBSD or whatever). Why push a path that isn't supported by Apple? Just use Linux (or Windows) instead - whatever alternate platform your preferred tools work on.
Final Cut is exclusive to Mac OS. A lot of folks who work with audio and visual media will likely find Final Cut useful and perhaps necessary.
But beyond that, because is is much more "closed", has a much more uniform interface. Look at the hodge-podge of different widgets for a Linux desktop system. And on Windows, it's the same -- even the interfaces aren't uniform between different MS products, let alone between different vendors.
My own personal preference is that it has a nice UI and was built on top of *nix. As someone who used to be a die-hard Linux fan, OS X has become a preferred operating system for reasons above.
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There's a horde of video production people out there who prefer OS X for tools such an Final Cut or Adobe Creative Suite.
Because the path is supported by Apple, just very poorly [apple.com]. It's one method of protesting for better support.
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Why would you drive a Chevy instead of a Ford (realizing that Chrysler is a POS)? The UI for Windows and OS X as well as the workflows are sufficiently different such that people get used to / attached to one solution or the other. I work with Windows systems all day at work. I can get stuff done and actually a slightly modified Win 10 box isn't all that bad but I like OS X.
Powershell is a vast improvement over the Command.com but I like Unix and Terminal.
Even with Adobe's knuckle^Hfoot dragging, Creativ
Corporate Unix with Active Directory, etc (Score:2)
I like *nix. The corporate IT folks built stuff around Windows, and support Macs since makes do fine in their environment.
At my last two jobs, the corporation officially supported Mac, which isn't surprising because they are easier to support in a Windows-centric than Linux, FreeBSD. On a Mac you can use Microsoft Office, Active Directory, etc. So the employer will provide a Mac.
The Mac is also full-on certified UNIX. Pop open a command line and can do anything you can do on Linux. Your Perl amd ahell scrip
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Yup. It feels very workable for development. In Windows developers are almost all on an IDE exclusively, it's just too painful to use in other ways (cygwin is great but it adds a performance hit as Windows just isn't designed to work efficiently with the standard Unix API). Quick and dirty scripting is just so much easier with bash and unix utils and pipes; not impossible on Windows just harder to do. The Unix style is to compose commands together to do something more complex; the Windows style is to ho
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Windows 10 has a new linux subsystem, WSL.
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True. But I doubt that suddenly everyone who loves linux and OSX switched over. Everyone has formed their opinions in the prior years already, and this addition does not wipe away all flaws and makes Windows perfect.
Does bash actually work well? Is it _integrated_ with Windows?? That is, at the command line, can I use forward slashes "/" for all Windows command line tools and it treats them as paths, or can you only use linux subsystem commands with it? Remember, Windows NT had the POSIX subsystem and i
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OS X is the software desired, with xcode and some stuff from homebrew. That's what I want.
Linux is not quite there, it has the right applications but the window system is still buggy and doesn't always do what I want, but it will do if nothing else exists. Last...there's windows, which I consider to be unusable with any amount of effort. It's a glorified game console now.
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Why push a path that isn't supported by Apple? Just use Linux (or Windows) instead -
Because maybe you're more productive on a Unix-like OS since you're adept at all the tools available, and you feel crippled running on Windows. Also, you can't stand the crappy monitor resolution scaling that Windows has vs MacOS, where Windows leaves you with tiny text you can't read right by oversized text.
OTOH, You need things like your Desktop and Audio to just work. You need to be able to switch Input sources with
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Or one of these [bhphotovideo.com]
Re:Why a Hackintosh? (Score:5, Informative)
It's familiarity with the platform that is the #1 driver.
I've been using a Mac since the 90's, it took me a while to become as proficient with Mac OS X as I was with Classic MacOS when it first came out, by now I've been using the OS for so long that there are a multitude of tiny things that all add up to make a significant difference.
I'm sitting at my desk here - I have a 2013 Mac pro and a newly built PC with i7 7700K, fast SSD, Decent GeForce graphics card and Windows 10 Enterprise.
I have been forcing myself to use the PC on a regular basis to become more proficient with Windows 10, but there are so many little things that are just different that it makes life harder for me. It's not even application support, other than Sketch (which I don't really use) all the major software I use is on Windows and macOS - Office 2016, Adobe Creative Cloud, Fusion 360, TeamViewer, Sublime Text, Chrome, Firefox etc... I've even got a bash shell running natively in Windows 10 for when I need it.
I won't deny that I find the Mac easier because that's what I know - but I have grown to work with what macOS delivers and when Windows doesn't do this, it grates.
Little things like automatic spelling and text replacement that on macOS largely gets it right. I'm not a perfect typer and macOS usually doesn't get in my way (except, of course, when it does) when correcting mis-typed words as I'm typing. Support for adding extended characters and emoji easily to text. Built-in password management with the Keychain.
Even some of the built-in apps - I much prefer Terminal.app over cmd.exe by defaults it uses a more readable font and it wraps text nicely (although I think Windows 10 now wraps text in cmd?)
It's also the general look of it - Windows 10 looks sharper (largely due to it's font rendering trying to align on pixel boundaries) whereas macOS is a bit softer, but to my eyes at least, easier to read (again, probably due to font rendering not aligning to pixel boundaries for individual glyphs, but trying to space characters more closely to the printed page)
I've begun the path to a hackintosh, but honestly it's too much trouble considering I've got a perfectly good Mac sitting on my desk at the moment.
The main driver for hacintosh builds that I see are either creative professionals that want to tinker and don't mind wasting some time faffing around trying to get things working and are happy that they can save some money over the cost of purchasing a comparable Mac (when you factor in your time to get it working, this equation doesn't look so one-sided) and professionals that need more than Apple is able to offer - current generation, fast NVIDIA GPUs (for CUDA), expandable internal storage and RAID, lower-cost M.2 PCIe SSD storage. Whilst some pros are getting last-generation tower Mac Pro workstations and upgrading everything in them (faster Xeon CPUs, PCIe SSDs, GTX 1080 graphics cards etc), others prefer to deal with newer hardware and work though the hassles of hacking it to run macOS.
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Final Cut Pro
Logic Pro
Adobe Creative Suite still runs slightly better (in my opinion)
A little less bloat
But really, I want an OS that has loads of commercial software available while still having a terminal with Bash out of the box. Being able to SSH into it is a huge plus too. If you're just looking for a development OS, Linux fits perfectly. But there are only a few good choices for video editing. I've been on Hackintosh for many years (I played around in Leopard and made it full time for Snow Leopard
Re: Why a Hackintosh? (Score:2)
This. The combination of Unix and a d cent GUI and good software
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I use all three, but there is one, read ONE killer feature on macs that I wish Windows / Linux would have: quicklook. Want to look in your Illustrator / photoshop / jpg / docx / xlsx / pdf / ppt / mp4 / mp3 / whatever document to see the contents without firing up the whole program just to see if it is the one you wanted, or to grab a bit of info? just hit space on a Mac and it pops up pretty much instantly... much faster than opening the dedicated program.
You do have to suffer the drawbacks though, namely
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Explorer in Windows 10 shows Office documents via the 'Preview pane'.
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It does, but it's still a long way from quicklook - With quicklook you just push 'space' and preview your document, complete with a little 'send to' button, a fullscreen option, and an 'open in....' thingy too. With the preview pane, you click to turn it on/off, and it's limited to the right hand side of the window, and so you end up resizing it all the time. You have to remember to turn it off, or you end up previewing everything you click on, which you don't normally want to do.
It's another example of a f
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The operating system. Windows is awful in so many ways. OSX is awful but in far fewer ways. Windows 10 is just a disaster, Microsoft is copying mistakes from Apple and running with them to the extreme. I fnd that there's a lot less mouse clicking involved with OSX (with a few braindead exceptions). Windows catches up in some ways, it *finally* added in multiple switchable desktops even though OSX had this since 2007 and unix systems for even longer. And there's a decent command line instead of the DOS or
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Why? Well, partly because it's there. A customer was getting rid of pro-level workstations and gave me one, so after it gathered dust I thought I'd take a stab at it. Took a lot of rebooting, trying this and that, starting over, and beer. Finally got it to work.
Second reason: I'm considering getting a MacBook for my next laptop. Call this getting my feet wet. I use Windows for 2 things: gaming and Office. I don't game on my laptop and I use linux about 95% of the time on it. I can use macOS for a lo
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Logic Pro X and a ton of AU's would do it for me. Photoshop, Lightroom and XCode to complete the picture. I know there are open source alternatives and I occasionally check them out but they don't even come close in terms of features, stability and performance.
What they'd like to see (Score:5, Funny)
So we spoke with people who currently rely on Hackintoshes to see how the computers are being used -- and what they'd like to see from Apple.
2TB NVME m.2 boot drive (+2x NVME m.2 slots)
Intel Core i7 6950X overclockable liquid cooled
2x NVidia Titan X
4x empty drive bays for expansion
8x PCIE 16x slots
Subwoofer built into case
RGB lighting
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$900
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i think you are off by a zero in pricing for a apple product :)
sent via win7 vm on a macbook pro
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I know you are joking, but just on a technical point consumer grade CPUs don't have enough PCIe lanes to support multiple SSDs and a reasonable number of slots and I/O. Even USB needs a few lanes now, since it has hit 10Gb.
That's why you pay more for server CPUs. More PCIe lanes, among other things.
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4x empty drive bays for expansion
Given it would be apple, that's going to be most of the way to your $900 budget right there...
Re:What they'd like to see (Score:5, Informative)
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the catch is it's partitioned as eMMC but tying up 4xPCIe to do it...
now $900 sounds a bit high... hehe
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The PCIe specification allows for switch devices, so you could conceivably make a system with eight 16x slots. The tradeoff would be some additional latency, and the potential for transactions to be stalled while one card waits for another.
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worth it in some cases. As long as the cards that *need* the dedicated BW have it, then the other cards could switch off. e.g. don't put video capture and high speed storage on the same switch, but putting video capture and LTO archive drives on the same switch is fine b/c they're not used at the same time.
Rubbish (Score:4, Insightful)
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This says nothing about what people "should be using".
This is about what Apple should be providing to the people who would prefer to be using MacOS X (whatever number of people that is).
Reading comprehension - give it a try.
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The point was, the small numbers who need such a machine makes it a market not work pursuing. Its like the Xserves , Raid Array, Laser Printers, Screens and all the other hardware Apple has dumped, it became a fringe product that was simply not cost effective or too expensive to sell in numbers.
They would probably be better off partnering with Dell, so when you buy FinalCutPro with a PC box (limited set of hardware specs) you get a Hackintosh version of OSX all install
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Aside from the fact that the question of whether you should cater to a professional class of users by building a professional class product (think video production) and the question of whether "we should all" be using such a product are entirely different things...
huh?
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I think uptake would be *much* larger if people didn't have to do it themselves. If someone had Hackintoshes ready to go they'd sell out. Of course they'd be sued into oblivion.
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I think uptake would be *much* larger if people didn't have to do it themselves. If someone had Hackintoshes ready to go they'd sell out. Of course they'd be sued into oblivion.
OK, how large do you think the market really is ?
No pie in the sky estimates, an honest logical guess.
Based on my experience at a University, less than 1% of users. 95% of Mac users have not even maxed out the memory of their laptops/desktops. Simply doing that and replacing their HDs with an SSD would be a huge performance increase that the same 95% would not in reality make full use of.
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You don't have to "make full use of" something for it to be worthwhile. My car is parked for 95% of the day.
Built One Was a Hassle (Score:3, Informative)
Built a powerful hackintosh a few years ago. Gathered all the parts from tonyosx86.com (or something like that) and kludged my way through an install of OSX. Every update required more hacking to keep the thing going. I eventually gave up and went back to Windows (10).
All in all it was more of a pain in the ass to keep this thing running with sub optimal driver support, more tricking of the boot loader, and staying behind the time for patching that drove me away from bothering again. Apple will never build a desktop for the masses outside of their Mini line (which works well for desktop work). People who want to game on Mac's go get a MacBook Pro. Getting one of those trashcan towers is ludicrous.
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Built a powerful hackintosh a few years ago. Gathered all the parts from tonyosx86.com (or something like that) and kludged my way through an install of OSX. Every update required more hacking to keep the thing going. I eventually gave up and went back to Windows (10).
All in all it was more of a pain in the ass to keep this thing running with sub optimal driver support, more tricking of the boot loader, and staying behind the time for patching that drove me away from bothering again
This. Whilst getting 80% of macOS running on current PC hardware isn't that difficult, the remaining 20% to make it work just like a real Mac will take 80% of the time.
Things like having audio still work when waking from sleep. Having iCloud being able to sign in and having Messages actually work. Handoff and File Drop support. Being robust enough to survive a regular software update...
Re:Built One Was a Hassle (Score:4, Interesting)
It's better now. Get a good EFI bootloader (Clover) going and you can run the Apple updates directly - all the major differences between your hardware and the Mac hardware are abstracted away by the bootloader. You have to do major release upgrades by building a thumb drive with some extra tools, but otherwise it just works. That is, at least if you're buying hardware that already has OS support.
running hackintoshes for 7 years now (Score:2)
Game changer was the new
I welcome our ArsSlashdotica overlords (Score:2)
Most Slashdot articles that I care to read i've already read where they linked from - ArsTechnica. Is Slashdot now just an aggregator of other sites now?
Too Little Too Late? (Score:4, Insightful)
I went Mac-exclusive in 2001 and stopped buying Apple products entirely in 2014. No Apple laptop made since my 17" 2010 MacBook Pro is as durable or expandable. No Apple desktop holds as much storage as my 2010 Mac Pro, and iPhones are no fun to use if I have to run iTunes on Windows. I've made peace with the notion that Apple makes more money selling gateways to their 30%-commissioned walled garden than they do by selling tools to people who write code and run lots of virtual machines. Rather than selling me a $3000 machine every other year, they passively collect constant income from easily-distracted end-users. Even if the numbers didn't make sense, the reduced level of effort certainly does. See also: Valve and why Half Life 3 is vaporware.
In the time since it became really clear that Apple didn't want to chase the business of people like me, I've switched away from software that's OS X-specific. I built a CentOS desktop and a Windows 10 desktop to see which one I'd run next. Either is fine. I'd prefer FreeBSD, but graphics and power management are a little behind the curve.
You see, Apple's disdain for pro customers isn't new, and it comes in long stretches. When they had the educational market in the US sewn up, they didn't need professional users. When that dried up, they successfully sold GUI Unix to hackers. If they need us, they know how to get in touch, but until they need us, they won't.
That said, I do love my last two Macs. They mostly Just Work. They're not fast anymore (8 years of software bloat will do that), but they're acceptable. I lament that they won't be replaced by other Macs, but life goes on. In the interim, I have work to do that I can't do efficiently on a single-disk/single-screen machine or a tiny notebook with soldered-in storage.
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I hear you. I abandoned Linux when Ubuntu went to the dogs 5 years ago when Unity and GNOME 3 seemed to go the same way. Since then I've been pretty happy with my late 2013 15" MacBook Pro, though it hasn't all been beer and skittles. The laptop sits underneath my monitor stand all the time and acts as a cheaper Mac Pro, because Mac Pro prices were and are just ridiculous.
Xcode as an IDE is painful most of the time; it feels like a strait jacket, and the number of times Apple has changed Swift has lead me t
Gave up in 2008. That said, here's a handy ref (Score:2)
http://hackintoshmethod.com/ [hackintoshmethod.com]
all video over thunderbolt doomed the mac pro 2013 (Score:2)
While other pro workstations had TB add in cards with an old voodoo video like loop back cable they pushed all video over the TB bus even HDMI and went with the laptop like custom video cards.
Apple could of even had an low end video chip on board like server boards and some workstation boards to route TB over with real pci-e slots and real video cards with HDMI and DP versions higher then what you can get with TB.
and the 1 cpu system cut down on the pci-e lanes forcing apple to only have 1 SSD card.
Apple shoud just... (Score:2)
Since actually licensing and opening up their OS to other vendors isn't going to happen....
Apple should just ship a couple "Apple labelled" standard format ATX'ish motherboards. A desktop Intel, a desktop AMD, and a multi-socket "Pro" of where applicable. Drivers for peripherals... That someone else's problem. Done.
why Hack (Score:2)
I have a couple of hackintosh machines and a couple of macbook pro's at work i use an imac.
My hackintosh machines have more ram and better graphics than the imac and 2 screens and an internal Sata Raid not quite as quiet as the imac which is a negative.
My older hack can triple boot which is sometimes handy. I have a legacy nikon scanner which plugs into a legacy scsi card. The software is old as the hills but I booted windows 7 and used Parallels to run Windows 2000 which I passed the Scsi card too and it
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When I hired on there, users showed me that it took 5 full goddam minutes to pull up a document and print it.
I spent about $100,000 replacing all that shit with a Windows NT server, 45 Compaq Pentiums with Windows 98 and a shitload of HP printers.
Were these Mac Pluses on PhoneNET LocalTalk (a matter of hardware generations?) Did you have the skills to run a Mac network?
The PowerMac G4/400 was the first to have gigabit on the motherboard that year, so probably everything ins
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So the short answer is: "Instead of figuring out what the problem was, I got to spend $100K of someone else's money to play the to toys *I* wanted".
MS sucked big time in 2000. You couldn't reliably format a printed job, something that I'd think a law firm would have found a necessity. Nothing like Joe printing something on Printer A, and Jane printing the same doc on printer B, and then referencing something on page 221 second paragraph... wait... what?
And no, there were no solutions for that other than
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So the short answer is: "Instead of figuring out what the problem was ...
No.
The short answer is, I fixed the fucking problem by donating that shitty stuff to Goodwill.
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My coworkers didn't doubt it.
That's the proper metric.
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Which means it may have had everything to do with the age of the equipment, not the platform. And you just wasted everyone's time with your comments.
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The year 2000 was not last year.
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What does that have to do with anything at all? You never looked into it 17 years ago - it may have had everything to do with the age of the equipment at that time.
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You're talking in "maybes."
I dealt in certainty.
I know my shit: It's brown, about that long, and don't stink.
In the year 2000, Apple could not support business.
It's still like that. [statista.com]
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I know this is pre-OS X, but you had a HUGE knowledge gap.
Statistics have nothing to do with OS X's worthiness today.
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Knowledge gap? You know this because you had the knowledge I didn't?
How's that work?
I was there.
I fixed it.
I doubt Goodwill had any takers on that Apple crap.
Reach much? [netmarketshare.com]
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Because you threw it out without looking at it. You only learn one way of doing something and if it doesn't fit, you can't handle it.
And what is with the linking on marketshare data? Statistics have nothing to do with suitability.
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OK.
You're trolling.
And me a professional.
Well played.
You're dismissed.
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If that's professional, I don't want to be one.
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First, this is 2000. That's ancient in this context. The situation today is very different. Windows 98 was just crappy for a serious computer even at that time. A professional organization would have done better with NT all around (or 2000 as Microsoft would probably have recommended at the time). That was really an awful time though, professional organizations very often used high end workstations (at least in engineering) because the PC world was still transitioning away from home/toy computing, things
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Windows 98 was fine.
It got the law firm business through the day.
Windows XP was a nice replacement.
That NT server is still up and running a legacy app.
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I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
Sorry, I couldn't track down the earliest appearance of this classic on /. , apparently google doesn't go back that far.
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I guess he had a broken Mac and did nit realize it.
At that time I owned Macs and an 486/66 PC.
The PC was fastest on Linux, Slackware (0.9 or something close). There was no noticeable difference between Macs and PCs regarding file operations (why would there?) the PC run Windows 3.1 and later 3.11 and in the end Win95.
Needless to say that I never used anything else than the IDE under Win 3.1/3.11. The whole system was basically unuseable.
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Perhaps a file system that was still in 68k code slowed it down. Leaving the network stack running emulated was particularly dumb.
People soon forget just how incredibly awful MacOS pre X was (architecturally much worse than Windows 3.0). Granting they did _eventually_ get all those parts ported to power, it took years.
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Actually I don't know anything about The architecture of Mac OS.
My first programs I wrote on it where done in Modula 2, which had its own windowing and event library (to be portable), which was 100 times easier to use than the Pascal version of Mac OS.
Later I programmed in Think C, a subset of C++. No templates (don't think they were invented that time already), and no multiple inheritance. But a nice and clean programming environment.
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You said there was no reason for Macs to be slower in file operations. Thought you might be interested in why there was a _huge_ difference (for a while). Emulated 68k code is the answer.
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Yes, it is a 'potential' answer, but I saw no difference in speed at that time.
Considering that I/O speed is basically based only on the hardware, you could perhaps run an emulator running 6502 code in an 68k emulator running on a PowerPC and would not notice any difference to native PowerPC code, probably not even in CPU usage.
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That was far from true while MacOS had 68k code all through it.
You were likely benchmarking either before power chips or after they finally ported the network stack and file system code. It performed terribly.
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It still exists. It's a $19.99 upgrade to Mac OS X from their app store [apple.com]. The only difference between the desktop and server edition were the software packages and some settings anyway.
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It does exist, but it's fairly useless for anything remotely corporate. I use it at home, and even then only to provide wireless time machine backup points that actually work properly. The webserver stuff is super-primitive, not even permitting local forwards to other servers (I ended up installing nginx to get that working), or certificate-required authentication (something I also use nginx for).
However, I will say this. If you have a problem using OSX Server, there's an email link somewhere in the apple m
Re:Pro = expandable (Score:5, Interesting)
Hey, Apple! If you're really interested in maintaining control of the HW design -- and I mean in a meaningful way, not the cheeseball gee-whiz pretentious way where indicator LEDs are entirely absent because they disrupt the "line" of the machine -- then may I suggest you start selling... Motherboards. Yes, design a motherboard you're happy with, then stick it in an anti-static bag alongside an OS X DVD. The owner can then add their preferred CPU, RAM (quad-channel DDR4, natch), and GPU, and put the whole thing in a case that meets their needs. Hell, you'll probably be able to squeeze even higher margins out of the thing, since you won't have to design or build custom casework, which can get kinda spendy.
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I don't think Apple will let go of the case design that easily. I could see them selling barebones systems, though, or at least ones with only token amounts of ram and storage like they used to. Like yeah, I'm going to use a IIci with 1MB RAM and 40MB disk, honest. I'm definitely not going to just immediately slap in a bigger disk (still a Quantum, though, since they made really nicely reliable disks back then) and... I forget who it was who did the worthy knockoff Mac ram way back when, I want to say it wa
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I assume the OS X DVD is there to absorb shipping abuse.
The other possibility is that somebody finally got their D-Wave into the right superposition to write universal device drivers (technically, universal self-writing device drivers—plug in a new piece of hardware, and your system gets very warm for about a week, and then everything Just Works).
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The other possibility is that somebody finally got their D-Wave into the right superposition to write universal device drivers (technically, universal self-writing device driversâ"plug in a new piece of hardware, and your system gets very warm for about a week, and then everything Just Works).
Apple doesn't have to support everything. People who want a Mac and want expansion slots are probably smart enough to do their homework and figure out what is and is not supported, perhaps with help from some sort of fan-created website.
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The motherboard is basically the computer - northbridge (now just CPU) and southbridge are where most of the driver issues are. It doesn't matter which hard drive you buy, which SATA optical drive you might need, and it's easy to see which GPUs have Mac support.
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no southbridge either.
When GMCH was split and the GM part went into the CPU the CH and southbridge became the PCH.
Re:Pro = expandable (Score:5, Funny)
You say "cheese grater" semi-sarcastically
Damn right- have you ever tried grating cheese with one? They're completely useless.
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stick it in an anti-static bag alongside an OS X DVD
Even whole Macs don't come with those. Just enable Internet recovery on the motherboard.
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That is no longer true.
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Having an extra core should not slow things down, if it does, you are doing things horribly wrong.
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legal is a binary property. Something cannot be highly illegal. It's just legal or illegal.
Wrong, it can also be "undocumented."
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legal, illegal, file not found.
Otherwise known as
Free, Jail, setting precedent.
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Also civil vs criminal. You don't go to jail for breaking an EULA for your own personal use. The worst case scenario is a lawsuit, and that's not even going to happen unless you insult the CEO's mom.
Soldering storage is a very bad idea and hurts (Score:2)
Soldering storage is a very bad idea and hurts us all. and the lack of ports in there laptop as well.
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You can do all that on Windows you know... Live drive or whatever it's called now does that kind of sync, as well as third party options like Google drive.
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And that's just it. Historically, Windows paid the bills and the PC was an incredibly open platform. Now Apple is gaining traction there but their business model has no idea how to cope with it becoming more of an open platform.