Are Chromebooks Responsible For PC Market Growth? (theverge.com) 131
From a report on The Verge: IDC claims the PC market is "up slightly," recording its first growth in five years. It's a tiny growth of just 0.6 percent, but it's a flattening of the market that Microsoft and its PC maker partners have been looking for after years of decline. While percentage growth looks good on paper, it doesn't always tell the whole story. Over at Gartner, another market research firm that tracks PC sales, the story is a little different. Gartner claims PC shipments declined 2.4 percent in the recent quarter. There's a good reason for the disparity between IDC and Gartner's figures, and it involves Chromebooks. IDC's data includes Chromebooks and excludes Windows tablets, even machines with a detachable keyboard like the Surface Pro. Gartner counts Windows-based tablets as PCs and excludes Chromebooks or any non-Windows-based tablets. Without IDC providing the exact split of Chromebooks sold vs. Windows- and macOS-based machines, it's impossible to know exactly how well Google's low-cost laptops are selling. However, IDC also claims that Chromebooks are doing well with businesses. The US commercial PC market "came out strong mostly backed by growth of Chromebooks," says IDC. Gartner has no opinion on Chromebooks as the company refuses to track them as PCs.
No they are not (Score:2)
As Mark Twain said (Score:2, Interesting)
All statistics are bogus because they depend on what data you do or do not include, and/or who you do or do not include in the survey that generates the statistic.
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Re:How many Chromebook buys are accidental? (Score:5, Insightful)
People who don't realize what kind of computer they are buying might also not realize what OS is running even after they start using it. For those people, the Chromebook probably does what they need, and with fewer hassles.
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People are going to be pissed, though, when they discover that Chromebooks won't run their viruses...
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Well, I hope you are transsexual, BarbaraHudson. Otherwise, your signature would point to a really weirdly specific objection to a particular TV series.
In any case, I think "Transprent" (at least in the first season) is about the best thing on TV. And no, it's not really about the trans-parent. It's about a bunch of bratty, entitled, fucked up kids whose father transitioned in his 70's. Not sure what stereotypes you're talking about, but in any case, the show is a largely autobiographical riff about Jil
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He looked and acted (the walk, that man-walk with the head and shoulders leaning forward, walking clunk-clunk like he still had his steel-toed workie boots on, the unrealistic expectations of going on dates when he wasn't even living full-time as a woman) like a man in a dress, not a successful transsexual, or even one seriously trying. In other words, he looked and acted like a drag queen having a weekend adventure.
Jill Soloway is 51 today, She came out at 44, nor 70+, so wtf are you thinking of. She has
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It's not about Jill Solloway - except perhaps as a model for the kids. Solloway's father came out as trans in his 70's. And, of course, in the first season, Maura was supposed to be clueless about how to live as a woman. She's more 'successful' as a transwoman in the later seasons. The truth is messy indeed - and I think the show takes that on pretty well.
Have you ever seen Cait Jenner? She's still a little clueless - as if tons of makeup is all it takes. I have a lesbian friend who is outraged at Jen
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In the first season, Jeffrey Tambor's portrayal of Maura as a woman wasn't very convincingly female, especially not in the first couple of episodes. And it wasn't MEANT to be. Maura was in the early stages of transition; she was still learning how to be a woman. As the series continues into the second and third seasons you can see her develop; she is much more comfortable in her skin and moves and talks in a much more feminine way.
She would still have trouble passing, but guess what? Most people who transit
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I think it's entirely likely that they needed a male actor for that particular role, and I'd wager that its borderline impossible to find a male actor that would want to take hormones or do anything else beyond just looking like he does. I wouldn't think much of it anyways; Barbara Hudson is a really pedantic asshole.
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If you transition from male to female as late in life as Maura, even taking hormones has limited effects. Hormones can't undo the differences in facial structure, the broad shoulders, or the narrow hips; bone structure is wired in by then. They don't stop beard growth, though they will slow hair growth elsewhere on the body. They may stop further progress of male pattern baldness, but whatever hair has already been lost is probably gone for good. (Some people do experience modest regrowth.) They will cause
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My criticisms have zero to do with age or taking hormones or facial hair removal, or boobs, or surgery of any sort. It portrays transsexuals as having totally unrealistic expectations - such as going out on a date when you don't even have the guts to go full-time, never mind the experience to no longer be self-conscious. That's a good way to get publicly humiliated, and anyone transitioning is going to be aware of the risks. Encouraging people to go on dates before they've completed their social transition
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Many transsexuals never go on cross-gender hormones, never mind turning the outsie into an insie. For them, the social transition is as far as they can go. It could be because of lack of access to a doctor willing to write the prescription, or they may not be healthy enough to undergo a physical transition, or their spouse draws the line at hormones and they value the relationship.
So no, hormones doesn't enter the picture. Neither does age of transition. But showing someone who hasn't even transitioned goi
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Notice I said "take hormones or do anything else beyond just looking like he does". And of course, you just stuck to the hormones because you're a pedantic narcissist asshole.
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'What they need' is usually to 'run Windows software',
[citation needed]
Today, most users spend most of their time in the browser. More and more software is "delivered" "as a service", in the browser. Sure, you can probably still buy quicken on CD or something, or over the net. Or you can buy a subscription and just use it all online. Sure, if you stop paying them, they will take away all your data that you haven't backed up. But if you're paying them every year anyway, having them handle backing up your financial data is kind of a win. Now repeat that same par
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There are very few apps that can't be implemented in the browser decently. They all involve lots of IO, like video editing.
Can high school programming homework "be implemented in the browser decently", particularly if it is to be done in a language other than ECMAScript?
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Can high school programming homework "be implemented in the browser decently", particularly if it is to be done in a language other than ECMAScript?
What? Of course it can. This is twice you have failed to use google today. It still exists.
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For the benefit of others reading this, I'll summarize the top three results for Google c++ chromebook as of right now>:
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Are you logged in to your google account? Search results are customized so others may have more useful results. Did you try any other search queries?
To save some time, here is the solution: Crouton + GCC.
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Crouton requires developer mode [...] that's fragile
To save some time, here is the solution: Crouton + GCC.
I'm aware of Crouton. What's to keep others from mindlessly pressing Space then Enter and wiping Crouton?
Chromebooks fit some users better than others (Score:2)
How many people truly "develop software" on a city bus?
At least one: myself. No two user stories are identical; let me share mine:
I have two jobs, one of which involves working from home developing software in assembly language for the Nintendo Entertainment System, a computing device with a 6502 CPU, as well as software in Python to convert graphics and other resources to a data format that the NES can read. In the course of my work, I need to test said software by running it in an NES emulator. The only emulators I'm aware of that allow stepping through code
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http://www.chromebookhq.com/fi... [chromebookhq.com]
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Do any of the IDEs listed there support a Service Worker for offline use while riding public transit? Or would that require a cellular Internet subscription?
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You're out of touch with reality, Espinoza. There's a reason why Windows has 85% of the market,
Yes. It's called illegal abuse of their monopoly position, of which they were found guilty by the USDoJ. You were saying?
Que Divertido (Score:2)
I was not expecting this to be the comment that caught the troll mod [wikipedia.org].
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Certainly Microsoft did without a doubt abuse their monopoly once they had it, but it's not how they grew their monopoly in the first place.
They had a de facto monopoly position before they had a literal one, which they gained through anticompetitive business practices.
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The USDoJ agrees with me, and was in a position to ream Microsoft. Then John Ashcroft, Bush's lapdog, declared that Microsoft would not be reamed. Then the Gates Foundation happened, and made a bunch of investments which, hey... just coincidentally happened to make Bill Gates personally a whole lot of money due to his investments in Big Pharma. And now Gates is sitting on top of that particular cash hoard. From bad to worse: Gates got to put his ill-gotten gains (remember, they are ill-gotten according to t
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The USDoJ agrees with me, and was in a position to ream Microsoft.
No, the USDoJ agrees (or agreed) that Microsoft abused their monopoly once they had it. That's not how they got their monopoly in the first place.
And I agree with you on that point, too.
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For the rare case of someone who really needs to run Windows software, they aren't going to buy this accidentally, because they'd already have to check what version of Windows it comes with. People don't just assume "oh, I'm sure it comes with Windows 7, not 10," do they?
If they have legacy requirements, they're going to be very focused on getting the legacy part right. They're going to be looking for that part, even harder than they're looking at the price.
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What's a PC? Also, WTF, IDC? (Score:5, Insightful)
Obviously this depends on how you count, which was my response even before reading the fine summary:
If you are counting Wintel PCs then it makes sense to count windows tablets and not count non-windows-based whatever, definitely including Chromebooks. But whatever else is true, if you are counting PCs, then it makes absolutely no sense to not count Windows-based tablets, which are just PCs with a wacky form factor. That only makes sense if you are counting desktops, but then you also have to exclude Windows notebooks. So, WTF, IDC?
Re:What's a PC? Also, WTF, IDC? (Score:5, Informative)
My Surface Pro 3 is my PC. My only personal PC. I have an Android tablet and smartphone, but the Surface Pro 3 is my PC.
IDC can play that game, but they are not offering the best information. Sad.
All my Surface Pro lacks is dual-boot, which I've avoided just to avoid munging it too much, and I have a VM running Ubuntu for stuff I need to get done. Workd fine.
For those of you who may be confused, the Surface Pro 3 is a PC.
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Agreed, I have one as well. Some months ago I got tired of the thought of Microsoft spying on me so I shrunk the Windows partition and installed linux, haven't even booted Windows since then. Still have to tweak it a bit to get it to work the way I want, but it works.
My definition of PC; several devices evaluated (Score:1)
In my opinion, it's a personal computer if the person who owns it can develop and run an application for it. Under this definition:
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Android with Bluetooth keyboard: PC because it can run AIDE.
The a Chromebook is also a PC, because it can also run AIDE [reddit.com], which I found out with Google. You could have, too.
Many pre-2017 Chromebooks aren't (Score:2)
From the article "Chrome OS Systems Supporting Android Apps" [google.com]:
Chromebooks listed in that article or made since 2017 are PCs by my definition. Pre-2017 Chromebooks not on the list aren't PCs without the fragile developer mode.
Battery + fixed screen and keyboard (Score:2)
Traditional PCs include Desktops, Notebooks, and Workstations and do not include Tablets or x86 Servers. Detachable Tablets and Slate Tablets are part of the Personal Computing Device Tracker, but are not addressed in this press release.
if you are counting PCs, then it makes absolutely no sense to not count Windows-based tablets, which are just PCs with a wacky form factor. That only makes sense if you are counting desktops, but then you also have to exclude Windows notebooks. So, WTF, IDC?
It makes sense if IDC is defining notebooks as "battery-powered computing devices with a permanently attached screen and alphabetic keyboard suitable for touch-typing". This would include a Windows laptop, a GNU/Linux laptop from System76 or Dell, a MacBook, a Chromebook, or a Remix OS notebook. Is your WTF the fact that IDC treats "mains-powered PCs with a display UNION notebook computers" as worthy of counting?
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It makes sense if IDC is defining notebooks as "battery-powered computing devices with a permanently attached screen and alphabetic keyboard suitable for touch-typing".
That's a dumb definition. A convertible notebook is still a notebook. And as long as the keyboard peripheral is available for sale, then the user has simply elected not to purchase the keyboard that they're not using.
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That would make an iPad, an android tablet, or pretty much any smartphone a notebook...
Interesting Philosophical Question: What is a PC? (Score:5, Informative)
In our business (Mimetics), we use Chromebooks a lot and the low end Chromebooks (2 GByte DDR & 16GByte SSD) are excellent for our application (Chrome Extension) as well as a classroom tool for students. I would argue that Chromebooks are better in the classroom than traditional PCs and I can see many applications where ChromeOS devices would be a better solution in a work environment than a traditional PC.
But, I would be reluctant to call a ChromeOS device as a "PC" because:
- They need to have a network connection to access user data
- Local file systems (ie USB drives) are absolutely painful to access and work with (the paradigm is to use GDrive storage and anything else is work)
- There simply isn't enough memory/drive space available for anything other Extensions which are measured in the low tens of MBytes
- Applications are limited to Javascript (although I'm hoping Webassembly will be an option in the near future) with browser built in debug tools with a somewhat convoluted load/test process. A full featured IDE for application development is nothing more than a dream at this point
A surface table, which can operate on its own, generally has many 10s to 100s of Gbytes of storage and can run traditional apps, even without keyboards seems ore likely to match the traditional definition of a "PC".
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At my work every necessary app is browser-based, and Chrome is becoming the enterprise standard. Even my terminal sessions are usable in Host On Demand. Except for document generation...
A Chromebook would actually serve. Office whatever can be web based.
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That 32GBytes local storage along with the difficulty in working with additional (USB or SD based) storage is the killer for me in terms of thinking of a Chromebook as a PC.
I have no issues with the "thin client" concept and I think the ChromeOS provides the necessary infrastructure to make a ChromeOS device useful, I just don't think they can replicate the expected functionality of a PC.
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- They need to have a network connection to access user data
So do bigger computers that store their data on a SAN....
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I had a Gnawty with 2 GB and a 16 GB eMMC. GalliumOS ran just fine on it. Windows was extremely painful, even for a Big Guy, but a lightweight Linux distro that Just Worked straight out of the box was quite pleasant. It was easy to forget it wasn't a normal notebook.
An i3 C720 or C740 can even run OS X. The Broadcom network card in the C740 is not reliable in OS X, but it can be swapped for one that is. I'd say those are PCs, at least when running a full OS. Drawing a "PC/Not PC" line based on OS may make s
Are Chromebook sales counted as PC sales? (Score:2)
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That seems to be the gist of the summary. Two different reports, one counts Chromebook as PCs show mild growth. Another that did not count Chromebook showed continued decline. The headline seems to suggest somehow Chromebooks are boosting the sales of PCs.
<sarcasm>Considering the total including Chromebooks is lower than the one without - obviously Chromebooks lower PC sales </sarcasm>
Reminds me of "Wagon" vs "SUV" vs "Crossover" (Score:2)
Vehicle sales have similar weirdness. There are some legal/regulatory terms of what constitutes a "light truck" versus a "car" and so on. Not to mention that the term "station wagon" became a death sentence for a vehicle. So you end up with a PT Cruiser being a truck for fuel efficiency standards but as a car for others. Subaru markets their Outback as a SUV, but it's really a wagon, or as they call it, a Crossover/SUV, and it's also a "truck", but never, ever a "wagon" ... which calls up memories of giant
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Subaru markets their Outback as a SUV, but it's really a wagon, or as they call it, a Crossover/SUV, and it's also a "truck", but never, ever a "wagon"
When Subaru first started selling the Outback in the mid-1990s, its commercials on U.S. TV referred to it as a "sport utility wagon".
Changing Definitions (Score:2)
Lines are getting blurred and definitions of things need to be rewritten.
Like how couple other bodies in our solar system were discovered and we had to redefine Pluto.
So maybe the chrome book is a "Dwarf PC", netbooks aren't really notebooks. Still my Wyse terminal has 4GB of RAM and dual boots to Windows 7 and Mint. Is it still just a terminal?
Definitions seem to matter though, it has real life implications in accounting and record keeping. For example, I can't claim my dog as a dependent but he depends
Works for me! (Score:4, Interesting)
A year ago I was facing the decision to replace my aging MacBook Air with one of Apple's expensive but pathetic newer models and decided to get a Chromebook (Asus Flipbook) instead for much less money. Best decision ever!
Not only is the Asus faster than my MacBook (which seems to have gotten slower with every Apple update) but I have access to my Android apps plus apps written for the Chromebook. I use Google docs for all of my wp, presentations and spreadsheets (and great collaborative workspaces).
I've installed Crouton for the times when I need Linux for programming, etc. Just a tab switch from ChromeOS to Linux. Remarkably fast.
Couldn't be happier.
For my uses, it's definitely a PC and does everything I need.
PC market saturation (Score:2)
The PC market started to fall for several reasons:
- the market was saturated (everybody who wanted one had one)
- PCs began to be useful for longer than 3 years
- many people started buying tablets instead of PCs for Web surfing and email
Now, however, all those trends have stabilized. We've reached a new normal, and are now in a normal growth curve, as with other mature markets such as cars.
Chromebooks have very little to do with the recent growth of the PC market.
Chromebooks are to PCs as ATMs are to bank tellers (Score:1)
Not a dumb terminal - Linux with locked down UI (Score:2)
I will personally stick with macOS computers -- but for tracking purposes
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Chromebooks are Linux with a very locked down UI that is cloud based with a little local storage -- as such they are actually a "personal computer".
I consider something a "personal computer" if the person who owns it controls what computing is done. One test for this is as follows: Can one practically develop an app for a Chromebook on a Chromebook? Netbooks from 2008 through 2012 were personal computers because they could run GCC.
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It's not a bad definition. The Personal Computer was named as opposed to non-personal computers you used as one users among others. As ChromeBooks are hardly more than terminals to a server (with software running out there at Google) it's pretty much similar to working at a terminal connected to a server back then.
It's just that you own the terminal and can use it elsewhere. "Personal Terminal" would be a better name than "Personal Computer" here.
(But of course you CAN run local software on ChromeBooks if y
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A better definition of what most people think of when you say PC is a computer where the user can easy add and run any new software on it.
That's essentially the sentiment I was trying to capture. But the way I phrase it ties it more closely to the literal expansion "personal computer": the person who owns it controls what computing is done by adding apps, including self-made apps.
I'd call them "Personal Terminals" (Score:2)
You can try to define "Personal Computer" this way, but historically the name "Personal Computer" just meant a computer that you use alone, instead of being one user of a computer at the university or the company you're working for. Which then was not your PERSONAL computer. That was the major reason for calling a computer you use as the only user (and that sits on or under YOUR desk) a Personal Computer.
ChromeBooks are mostly Terminals, even if you own them the applications run elsewhere. Surely not dumb t
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The Chromebook point of view would be to say, "Yes. You can run my app. It's at .." and then they give you an URL.
It's not what you're thinking, but it's what they're thinking. That is the market for Chromebooks.
I think instead of thinking of them as terminals, people ought to think of them as full PCs, which come preloaded only with a terminal emulator. "WTF do you want that x86 box for? You're just goi
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The Chromebook point of view would be to say, "Yes. You can run my app. It's at .." and then they give you an URL.
So I've downloaded the app's source code from said URL, and I've made changes to the app. To test these changes, will I need to get my own URL, which is a recurring cost?
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Yes, within the Chromebook way of looking at things, is that if you modify a program, you store your version somewhere, and that somewhere isn't your PC. You have a VPS or something to do the storage for things like that.
In addition, you need a domain because offline use doesn't work without Service Workers, which don't work without TLS, which doesn't work without a certificate, and the CA/Browser Forum's Baseline Requirements forbid certificate authorities to issue a certificate without a fully-qualified domain name. So would it be reasonable to consider the annual price of a domain and the annual price of a VPS as part of the total cost of ownership of running free software on a Chromebook?
Re:Not a dumb terminal - Linux with locked down UI (Score:4, Interesting)
Chrome OS apps are glorified web pages, so you can develop them on anything that can run Chrome itself and edit text.
My Chromebook does run GCC, in Crouton.
Data loss by default (Score:2)
My Chromebook does run GCC, in Crouton.
Imagine I am your roommate. I turn on your Chromebook. At "OS verification is OFF", not knowing what that means, I press Space. At the next screen, not knowing what that means, I press Enter. Now how well does it "run GCC, in Crouton"?
Data loss by default through a prompt very much like this has happened to me years ago. The pixel art editor in The Print Shop for Apple II offered to "initialize" a floppy disk every time the user chose to save. While I was taking a shower, my little brother didn't know what
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The Print Shop and Chromebook firmware are outliers. Most other systems that I have used do not make it that easy for a novice to accidentally wipe an entire drive.
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Very little functionality exists on these Chromebooks (making them dumb).
The amount of functionality included in bundled apps isn't what makes a device smart or dumb. It's the extensibility.
They are nothing more than the modern equivalent of a VT100.
That's completely false. You clearly have never owned a VT100. My first glass terminal (that I owned) was a VT100-AA. It didn't have the ability to run any kind of code locally aside from what is in ROM. The only settings were for tab stops and communications parameters.
Not only does Chromium on ChromeOS have a[n admittedly limited] built in shell, but you can add app-like functionality to it
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Maybe "appliance" is a slightly better word.
Like an AppleTV -- the hardware is to support a certain usage, no more and no less, and isn't sold as a general purpose machine.
So a ChromeBook is like the games console of Google cloud stuff.
Re: Not a dumb terminal - Linux with locked down U (Score:5, Informative)
So a ChromeBook is like the games console of Google cloud stuff.
That's not true at all. The ChromeBook is not even close to being as locked down as a games console. You don't need to give anyone money or even get anyone's software blessing to put your ChromeBook into developer mode, at which point you can load whatever you want onto it. You just have to [effectively] do a little dance, which is slightly annoying but not prohibitive. And since you can run Android apps on a Chromebook, and those apps include more than just gaming or audiovisual entertainment apps, it's clearly a general-purpose computer.
Re: Not a dumb terminal - Linux with locked down U (Score:4, Interesting)
Chromebooks are perfect from many situations. I recently replaced my dad's Windows PC with a chromebox and it's made both of our lives much better. Twice a year his PC would be a bogged down mess even with malware / anti virus software. No longer an issue. It's been 6 months and all is good.
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ChromeBooks support many offline apps [google.com]. The app just has to rely on the Chrome browser for the interface. Considering that includes JavaScript and Flash, not to mention full HTML 5, that isn't much of a limitation at all. Caret [google.com] is one of my favorites.
Anyone who claims they are the computing equivalent to a games console has not seriously looked at what they can do.
I love them, and am chomping at the bit for Samsung to release the Chromebook Pro.
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The ChromeBook is not even close to being as locked down as a games console.
For now.
Once it actually starts to gain traction (marketshare) they'll lock it down tighter than a duck's ass.
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The ChromeBook is not even close to being as locked down as a games console.
For now.
Once it actually starts to gain traction (marketshare) they'll lock it down tighter than a duck's ass.
Oh piss off. They *have* gained traction, and they've been about for years. And there hasn't been any locking down
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You do have to track down firmware to flash onto it, and open it to remove the write protect screw, but neither is that big a deal -- except some Braswell Chromebooks can only be flashed once and will refuse to flash themselves again. You can still flash them with an RPi and an SOIC clip, the same procedure as used for un-bricking them when a flash goes wrong.
There was some time when Chromebooks were PCs in every sense. They just came with a little different keyboard layout, or in some cases just different
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My Chromebook runs Debian and I use it for software development. How is that not "general purpose?"
If anything, my Windows 7 desktop is the "appliance" since I pretty much only use it for gaming.
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Even that usage is as a thin client at worse.
I can view and play local files, that's more than a dumb terminal.
Crouton is fragile (Score:2)
And if you enable developer mode then you can tamper with the system, whether installing busybox or a full Linux environment via Crouton.
Until your roommate turns on your Chromebook in developer mode, presses Space as prompted at the "OS verification is OFF" screen, and then presses Enter as prompted. This begins a wipe, which causes you to lose all work that you haven't yet committed to external version control.
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I haven't actually tried it yet, but I'm pretty sure that if you don't care about Chrome OS you can flash the firmware to standard CoreBoot and run a normal Linux without any developer mode warnings.
Void your Chromebook's warranty (Score:2)
Reflashing the firmware would probably cause the manufacturer to deem the warranty void, leaving me with a paperweight if, for example, the power jack breaks. I have had a laptop's power jack break in the past.
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I void warranties every day of the week... and twice on Sundays!
But seriously, I don't care. I can't remember the last time I used a warranty, especially since half the stuff I buy (especially mechanical things, rather than electronics) is bought used long after the warranty expired anyway.
Now, you do have a larger point, which is correct: Chromebooks are certainly not an ideal choice since Google's intent is for them to be locked-down. I agree, it would definitely be better if they were designed to run arb
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You can re-flash it back to stock with a Raspberry Pi and an SOIC clip, even if it is not functional enough to convince it to flash itself.
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warranty? I voided them the moment I got home. And I un-void them within the limited warranty period when it's clearly a manufacturer defect.
Also, breaking the power jack is likely not covered in the limited warranty, but an extended warranty would cover it. In that case, you might as well spill coffee all over the device since having an extended warranty means they're going to help you replace the whole thing anyway.
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Yes and no. Distros that require NVRAM still don't work without modification because the UEFI implementation still doesn't have any. (I talk to the guys doing the firmware on pretty much a daily basis.) But Windows runs now on machines you wouldn't have expected. I had a CB3-111 "Gnawty" and was one of the first to attempt to run Windows 10 on it. It didn't so much run, as walk with a limp. It was a very unpleasant experience. Nine months later, they've got all that sorted out and it runs fine (up to the li
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It's a matter of accident vs. intent.
How is this any different than your roommate entering the BIOS on a regular PC
For one thing, entering the BIOS typically involves F keys, which are less "inviting" than commonly used keys such as Space and Enter that are easily reachable from a touch typist's home position.
or for that matter pulling the hard drive?
That takes a screwdriver, which shows intent.
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My toaster has a processor. It is NOT a PC.
Conditioning (Score:1)
My toaster has a processor. It is NOT a PC.
Therefore,
If my toaster doesn't have a processor. It is a PC!
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I'd hardly call something that can play 1080p video a VT100. You sound angry at their very existence. What a sad individual. They cost 1/3 of an iPad and come with a full keyboard. Perfect for someone to browse, email, and watch videos.
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You can often spend just a little bit more money, and get a lot more capability and durability, from a low-end real laptop.
Sounds like my inexpensive Dell laptop [amzn.to] with Windows 10 that I upgraded the memory to 8GB and replaced the hard drive with an SSD. Enough power to run email and web browser, but my data lives on a file server and I have a Red Hat Linux box for processing.
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