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Norway Says Half of New Cars Now Electric Or Hybrid (phys.org) 160

AmiMoJo quotes a report from Phys.Org: Norway, which already boasts the world's highest number of electric cars per capita, said Monday that electric or hybrid cars represented half of new registrations in the country so far this year. Sales of electric cars accounted for 17.6 percent of new vehicle registrations in January and hybrid cars accounted for 33.8 percent, for a combined 51.4 percent, according to figures from the Road Traffic Information Council (OVF). In February, those proportions fell slightly but remained high at 15.8 percent and 32 percent, respectively. While cars with combustion engines are heavily taxed, electric vehicles are exempt from almost all taxes. Their owners also benefit from numerous advantages such as free access to toll roads, ferries and parking at public car parks, as well as the possibility of driving in bus lanes.
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  • by Noah Haders ( 3621429 ) on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @06:52PM (#54002879)

    i hate when cars are in bus-only lanes. The purpose of the lanes is to allow buses to bypass traffic. it doesn't help when its' so clogged by cars that the lane moves at the same speed as the general purpose lane. thanks a lot, cars!

    • by MouseR ( 3264 )

      You're just jealous ,i,, ,,i, :-)

      I enjoy my HOV driving and my free bridge, ferry and highway tolls.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      i hate when cars are in bus-only lanes. The purpose of the lanes is to allow buses to bypass traffic. it doesn't help when its' so clogged by cars that the lane moves at the same speed as the general purpose lane. thanks a lot, cars!

      The railway line through Silicon Valley was originally used to carry canned fruit to the port of San Francisco. Now it's used by commuters. It's okay for transport infrastructure to be used for different purposes when the circumstances change.

    • i hate when cars are in bus-only lanes. The purpose of the lanes is to allow buses to bypass traffic.

      The purpose of bus lanes is to force people to use public transportation by giving it an unfair advantages by forcing everyone to waste resources so that it can monopolize them, which in turn actually creates traffic congestion. It's a stupid idea by and for stupid people.

      • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

        The purpose of bus lanes is to force people to use public transportation by giving it an unfair advantages by forcing everyone to waste resources so that it can monopolize them, which in turn actually creates traffic congestion. It's a stupid idea by and for stupid people.

        There would be less congestion if the road wasn't full of 4-8 person vehicles being used to transport a single driver to their destination.

        • There would be less congestion if the road wasn't full of 4-8 person vehicles being used to transport a single driver to their destination.

          Put them on a rail, instead. Then they can run right up one another's arses without causing problems.

      • The purpose of bus lanes is to force people to use public transportation

        More encourage rather than force.

        by giving it an unfair advantages by forcing everyone to waste resources so that it can monopolize them, which in turn actually creates traffic congestion.

        In many big cities, the public transport networks shift more people than private cars do on a daily basis. If you make the public transport worse, more people will use cars instead and that will create far worse congestion.

        Certainly at busy times in L

      • The purpose of bus lanes is to force people to use public transportation by giving it an unfair advantages by forcing everyone to waste resources so that it can monopolize them, which in turn actually creates traffic congestion. It's a stupid idea by and for stupid people.

        I'm not even sure what gibberish you've written there, but it sounds like you're saying that bus lanes create congestion?
        Cars do not scale in large cities, any simpleton knows that. And if you do some simple math, you'll realise there not enough land to build enough roads for everyone to drive their own car. So what's your solution smart one?

    • Noah,

      The purpose of letting electric cars drive in the bus lane is because electric cars had such limited range that it solved a few issues to have electric cars in that late.
      - If the car died due to lack of charge, it was closer to where it could be pushed off the road.
      - Sitting in stop and go traffic was devastating to battery life, so people couldn't get to or from work on a charge
      Basically, it made electric cars a practical option before the technology came up to speed.

      This is 2017 where
    • it doesn't help when its' so clogged

      If you're at the point where your bus lane is "so clogged" due to incentives given to EVs to use underused infrastructure then I think the world has become a better and above all cleaner place.

      • I'm pretty sure you don't know a damn thing about traffic, infrastructure utilization, or tube cloggage.

        • I think you don't understand my point. But I'm not going to spell it out for you either.

          • I don't think you understand what "underused infrastructure" means. The optimum density on a freeway lane is 50 cars per mile, or cars approx 4-5 car lengths apart. This gives you the maximum flow (cars per hour). If you add more cars, flow goes down, and your infrastructure becomes sub-optimal. So, now you understand. you're welcome!

    • Before EVs, the bus (& taxi) lanes were never clogged here in Oslo, they did in fact have significant spare capacity.

      When the regulators wanted to encourage EVs they said up front that we can let them drive in the bus lanes, but only up to a point: As soon as there are enough of them that they actually slow down the buses, then we'll take away that incentive.

      This duly happened a year or two ago, for a few highly congested stretches, and now you cannot drive E18 bus lanes during rush hours unless your EV

      • I think this is the way it has to be. keep ratcheting up the requirements in order to keep the lane free. Some metrics: a freeway lane moves best when it has 50 cars per mile. bumper to bumper, it has 100+ cars per mile. Gridlock, 200 cars per mile.

        So if you have a 4 lane freeway that is bumper to bumper at rush hour, that is 400 cars per mile. you add a fifth carpool lane that you want to keep to 50 cars per mile. This means that only 10-15% of cars should qualify for the carpool lane. You need to change y

  • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @07:04PM (#54002945) Homepage

    Norway's got one of the highest car taxes in the world, particularly on heavy, polluting, big engine cars. A base model Ford Mustang will cost you $83k. Make that $136k if you want the V8. When you can buy a Tesla at same price as in the US with no VAT, no car taxes it'll be popular. And hybrids get enough tax breaks to offset most the cost difference, basically you can get one you can plug in and charge for near free at roughly the same price as the gas guzzler only version but with reduced luggage space. And we're not doing it to bring in taxes, we have oil and are rich. We have some kind of eco-Messiah complex thinking what the five million people in Norway do will save the world. I swear, living here sometimes feels like a TV show and you're just waiting for someone to jump out and say you're on hidden camera. Except you're not and we keep coming back for more.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Wonderful, that tesla will cost about 1/3 or more rd of an average person's house payment a month and wont drive you to work cause outside of like 3 major cities in the US there is no mass transit worth using

      so what the fuck are you suposta do, a used 45mpg 8 year old crackerbox cost's damn near 15 grand, or in otherwords what they cost 8 years ago, lets make the situation worse cause batteries!

    • Oil. Norway sells shit-tons of oil. Just ignore that like all the europhiles/nordiphiles do.
    • Norway has nice standing in the GDP per capita rankings: http://statisticstimes.com/eco... [statisticstimes.com]

      But, would you agree that this is largely due to oil exports? If oil suddenly became a worthless commodity, would Norway fall to approximately the same place as Sweden in this ranking?

    • thinking what the five million people in Norway do will save the world

      Or maybe they realise pollution is local and the issues facing Paris with smog, or most of Europe with nasty diesel smell is something they want to get away from.

      To be honest, I don't give a crap about the world and I think we can probably manage a few degrees climate change, but I can't wait for my local city to go electric, and global warming is not the reason to go electric, local pollution is.

    • Not just tax incentives though. Gas per gallon in Norway right now is about $7. The main reason is that Norway does not import oil and uses its own reserves. Thus oil is limited. So another reason why gasoline or diesel cars are not desirable in Norway
  • by Crashmarik ( 635988 ) on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @07:05PM (#54002947)

    Car Taxes
    http://www.expatarrivals.com/n... [expatarrivals.com]

    Exemptions for electrics

    https://electrek.co/2016/11/09... [electrek.co]

    • Ridiculous taxes and exemptions will do that

      It's only ridiculous until you begin calculating the cost of actually removing the car's pollution from the environment. After that, it's quite reasonable.

    • by trawg ( 308495 )

      To be a fair comparison I guess this needs to be compared against taxes/exemptions that are applied to the gas industry that keeps normal ICE cars running though, right?

      I live in central London where the pollution is simply staggering because of the diesel fumes everywhere. I think huge incentives for electric cars (& disincentives for ICE cars) is something they should be doing basically immediately.

      In fact they recently announced a fairly punishing tax on old (pre 2006) cars - £10 per DAY

      • I live in central London where the pollution is simply staggering because of the diesel fumes everywhere.

        I visited there when diesel cars were a bit of an oddity and the air wasn't exactly like the top of Ben Nevis even then.

        I remember scratching my arm for a few seconds and noticing that my nails were absolutely black underneath.

    • You're forgetting that high gas prices also do that. Norway gas prices are among the highest in Europe. Europe itself is much higher than the US.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    they can go the same distance as my current gas-powered Honda Accord, which is just under 500 miles tank. Until then, it's not worth it.

    • by Brannon ( 221550 ) on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @11:16PM (#54004177)

      and be bred to create more automobiles." - random moron in 1910.

    • wow.. must be a pain to drive 500 miles every day...
    • they can go the same distance as my current gas-powered Honda Accord, which is just under 500 miles tank. Until then, it's not worth it.

      I won't buy a silly little gas powered car until I can hitch my house to the back of it and tow it down the highway. Until they can haul 80,000 pounds it's not worth it.

      • I won't buy a silly little gas powered car until I can hitch my house to the back of it and tow it down the highway. Until they can haul 80,000 pounds it's not worth it.

        For people with long commutes, either all employers need to have EV charging or range needs to increase. It's very well to say people shouldn't commute long distances, but many people don't have the means to live nearer work, or they have other reasons to live away from it like they're trying to raise a family but the available work is in a bad place to raise kids, like SF.

        I, for one, tend to only go on relatively long drives, and no current EV would suit my needs. I'd really love to own an EV, because I am

  • there are no electric cars in Norway, and if there were they would use more gasoline and produce more CO2 than gas burning cars. So take that high-and-mighty Norway!

    • Hu? Most electricity in Norway comes from Hydro power.
      And that most Teslas are old in Norway should be no secret ...

  • I thought batteries for electric cars performed badly in cold weather. Wouldn't Norway be a place where you wouldn't want to use electric only vehicles?

    • Ever heard about:
      a) global warming?
      b) golf stream?

      Norway is not as cold as one would imagine. Considering that it is 2000km long from north to south there is a great difference between north and south, too.

      • Ever heard about:
        b) golf stream?

        I have to admit, I've never heard of Golf Stream [playgolfstream.com] until now. If I played golf, it might be interesting.

        Gulf stream.

        • by mrvan ( 973822 )

          Pretending you don't understand someone because of a trivial mistake doesn't make you look smart, it makes you look like a pedantic smart-ass.

          This is especially true since we're discussing Norway, so there's a good chance that the GP is Norwegian and it is actually spelled with an "o" in Norwegian and most other Germanic languages. You should appreciate the fact that people from other parts of the world learn your language and contribute to your knowledge of things outside the US, not annoy them with your s

          • GP is German, but your point still stands.

            • And both golf as well as gulf are valid english words :D so no red underlining.
              Except on this broken windows 10 installation where every word except "so" and "red" is red underlined (why red is not red underlined is beyond me).

    • Re:Honest Question: (Score:4, Informative)

      by Barsteward ( 969998 ) on Thursday March 09, 2017 @03:12AM (#54004817)
      yes, they drop a little in performance but not drastically, gasoline cars also lose a little performance. http://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-re... [ucsusa.org]
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I thought batteries for electric cars performed badly in cold weather. Wouldn't Norway be a place where you wouldn't want to use electric only vehicles?

      It's not actually that cold in Norway, considering how far North it is. I live in Trondheim in the middle of the country and in January the average temperature was just above freezing. Some interior areas of the country are a lot colder but most of the population lives near the coast where it's not really that cold in the winter.

    • by orzetto ( 545509 )

      Norwegian with electric car here, proud owner of a Leaf since August. No problem experienced this winter, even the days when it was cold enough that if you tried to wash your car the hot water would freeze on impact and keep the dirt in place for a few days (yes I managed to do that).

      The problem is not the batteries themselves (though there could be if you hit 40 degrees below zero), but that electric power is used for car heating, which in gas cars is taken from the combustion exhaust. This means that I lo

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