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New York Approves Largest US Offshore Wind Farm Off Long Island (computerworld.com) 119

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has approved what will be the longest U.S. offshore wind farm when it's built off the east end of Long Island. When it's all said and done, it will generate enough electricity to power more than 50,000 homes on Long Island's South Fork. Computerworld reports: The South Fork Wind Farm will consist of 15 wind turbines with 90 megawatts (MW) of capacity. While the project still needs to complete its permitting process, construction could start as early as 2019 and it may be operational as early as 2022. The approval of the South Fork Wind Farm, to be located 30 miles southeast of Montauk, is the first step toward developing 1,000 megawatts (1 gigawatt) of offshore wind power, Cuomo said in a statement. The wind farm approval comes two weeks after Cuomo's State of the State Address, during which he called for the development of 2.4 gigawatts of offshore wind by 2030. The 2.4 gigawatt target, which is enough power generation for 1.25 million homes, is the largest commitment to offshore wind energy in U.S. history, Cuomo said. Cuomo wants New York state to get 50% of its energy from renewable sources by 2030. The nation's first offshore wind farm, the Block Island Wind Farm, went live last month. Both the Block Island and South Fork wind farms are owned by Deepwater Wind, a company based in Providence, R.I.
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New York Approves Largest US Offshore Wind Farm Off Long Island

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  • its permitting process, because the all bribes haven't been paid.
    • by msauve ( 701917 )
      But, it's going to be the largest (some say longest) wind farm off of all of Long Island. And that's a long island. Maybe I'll build the tallest and widest wind farm in my backyard! There's not much competition, so it won't take much.
    • None of these articles tell us the cost or the power purchase agreement price . There are many quotes saying how wonderful it is going to be, but not a single reference to financials.
    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      Evidence or stop talking out of your ass.

    • its permitting process, because the all bribes haven't been paid.

      No, the bribes are for the New Jersey wind project

  • >>the project still needs to complete its permitting process...

    Yes, well, good luck with that...

    • Didn't New York get the memo? We've got a new president now. The future of energy is Oil and "clean" Coal.

      Make America great again. As in like the 1950's. Let's go back to things that once were the economic engines of growth during the Dear Leader's youth. That would be Cars. Steel. Oil. Coal. It's not that we don't need all those things to some extent. But in the 21st century they are not the economic engines of growth, IMO. The things that are now the economic engines of growth are The Internet. Robots. AI. Nanotech. Biotech. Etc.

      The dear leader wants to build a pipeline because he has a completely out of touch view of the future. Just like in the 1950's, we can pollute the world forever with no consequences! Yea!
      • by moeinvt ( 851793 )

        Creating value is the only path to economic prosperity. Like it or not, extracting oil from the ground and refining it creates value. Making iron ore into steel and then turning that steel into an automobile creates value. We definitely need to do things better and smarter and with fewer consequences than we did in the 1950s(protecting our water resources is critical), but it's also imperative that we(USAians) transition our economy toward value-add production.

        Our smoke and mirrors "consumer spending" an

        • I agree that we have to produce things. And I DID say that we need things like Cars, Steel, etc. But producing microprocessors, cures for diseases, high tech products, REALLY IS producing things. How about producing more of the things we need in the future to get economies of scale to kick in. Solar panels. Windmills. How about building more high tech battery factories. Policies need to figure out how to deal with automation. It is a reality. And it won't go away. You can make it go away, but then
  • Back in the 70's and 80's, Long Island Lighting Company built a complete 820 MW nuclear plant that never operated beyond some initial low-power testing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Since the old codger croaked, we can finally have windmills in New England.

  • by dcavanaugh ( 248349 ) on Thursday January 26, 2017 @09:09PM (#53746275) Homepage

    So far, NIMBYs have been very effective at killing offshore wind farms. Waterfront property is typically owned by "special" people, and they don't like the noise of wind turbines. http://abcnews.go.com/Technolo... [go.com]

    • by Anonymous Coward

      That example was 5 miles off shore. This project is 30 miles away, so they have a fighting chance at least.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Not just NIMBYs, Trump could kill this entire project with one stroke of the pen:

      http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/290093-trump-wind-power-kills-all-your-birds

      • I'm surprised Trump even allowed this to be announced. What's good for the EPA should be good for the state governors too.

        But hey, we haven't gotten to the point of State Run Media or Ministry of Information... yet.

    • by Nethemas the Great ( 909900 ) on Thursday January 26, 2017 @10:15PM (#53746439)
      At 30mi offshore, my napkin math suggests you'd need to be nearly 600ft in the air to see them, and that through the haze. A rational NIMBY argument would be a bit difficult to come by.
      • by Jeremi ( 14640 )

        A rational NIMBY argument would be a bit difficult to come by.

        Not a problem, as we have ready access to a generous supply of irrational NIMBY arguments as well :)

      • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Thursday January 26, 2017 @11:12PM (#53746609)

        "A rational NIMBY argument would be a bit difficult to come by."

        Unfortunately, NIMBYs are just as good at fabricating irrational arguments. Just you watch: the continental shelf 30 miles offshore will turn out to be sacred ground to someone.

        • by hipp5 ( 1635263 )

          "A rational NIMBY argument would be a bit difficult to come by."

          I worked as a planner in a community that was developing a bylaw to permit (land-based) large-scale wind turbines. I heard every reason under the sun for why we shouldn't have them, but the one that really took the cake was one of the main opponents standing up and screaming, "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WHALES!!!" (keep in mind that this was for land-based turbines).

          It took all my strength in the world to not blurt out, "Lady, you don't give a flying F**K about the whales!"

          • "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WHALES!!!"

            That's simply good planning. Those land-based turbines will be underwater soon, causing mayhem when whales crash into their spinning blades. You think it makes a mess when a large bird hits a blade? Try a frickin sperm whale!

            • Although we might point out that there if every single piece of natural ice on the planet were to melt, the oceans would rise 261 feet. Not enough for the whales to even reach the blades of today's turbines.

      • by dbIII ( 701233 ) on Thursday January 26, 2017 @11:43PM (#53746733)
        There's infrasound - it affects people in the area who are not getting any financial benefit from a windmill and either want it to go away or get a cut themselves. It has the advantage of being impossible to detect (at least in the case of windmills) but people will tell you they "feel it". It causes lung conditions in smokers, heart problems in obese people and a very long list of other unlikely symptoms.

        All we can do is read Don Quixote and laugh at how apt it is so many centuries later. People hate change and cling to a golden age that never happened - by charging at windmills!
        • All we can do is read Don Quixote and laugh at how apt it is so many centuries later. People hate change and cling to a golden age that never happened - by charging at windmills!

          If I ran a wind power company, it would be named Quixote Enterprises. And taking a page from the Mafia, the CEO's official title would be Don.

      • by swb ( 14022 )

        But I'll see it every time I chopper in and out of my seafront villa.

      • Line of sight distance depends on the height of both the object as well as the observer. 90 MW capacity / 15 turbines = they're using 4 MW capacity turbines. Those have a rotor diameter of 130 meters (about 430 feet) [siemens.com]. Add in, say, 10 meters for the base, and that gives a line of sight distance [everythingrf.com] to the horizon of 42.2 km (about 26 miles). A person standing on the beach with eyes 5 ft off the ground has a line of sight distance of 2.7 miles. So the top of the rotors would be visible from the beach at 26 +
    • by DrXym ( 126579 )
      Fine. Build an oil fired plant beside them. Let's see if they appreciate the fish kill offs and listening to fog horns from 100,000 tonne tankers passing by at 3am. People can be so fucking stupid and selfish sometimes.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    30 miles offshore. Pirate territory. Whole new set of people gonna need regular bribes. Good luck mossbacks.

  • If you REALLY want green energy to take off... install a wind farm in the oval office!
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Put windmills on top of skyscrapers, so you don't need all the power lines. You have consumer right below the producer.
    Maybe not the big Wopper mills, but a quieter type.
    Change the skyline and give the finger to oil.

    • Give the finger to oil? Describe how to use a wind turbine to power an 18 wheeler down the road, or a ship across the ocean. You might, with a massive effort, hang enough catenary wire to power locomotives with grid electricity, but by and large, the transportation industry is unable to use wind and solar until someone invents a MUCH better battery. They're trying like hell to do that, and they're not getting much of anywhere, at least not with anything remotely affordable. We may never get that batte

  • Interesting that the main US Falls plant delivers 2.5GW today The Lewiston "peaker" plant adds another 240MW. Amazing the amount of power from this very old power source from the falls. And that is just the US production.

    • You'd think the Canadian side would produce more power, but with the current exchange rate there's not much difference.

  • This does NOT abide by the party line. Our federal government will NOT allow it.
  • Makes far more sense than importing liquefied dead dinosaurs for energy.

    Plus, bonus, no long supply chain to defend and make up excuses to invade other countries to get it!

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