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Samsung's Upcoming Galaxy S8 Flagship Smartphone Won't Have a Headphone Jack: Report (sammobile.com) 360

Samsung is planning to ditch headphone jack in its next flagship smartphone, called the Samsung Galaxy S8, reports SamMobile, a Samsung-focused blog that has a pretty good track record with these things. From the report: Removing the 3.5mm headphone jack enables Samsung to make the Galaxy S8 thinner while also freeing up more space inside for a bigger battery. Samsung may also integrate stereo speakers which some believe will be made in collaboration with Harman, a company that Samsung is acquiring for $8 billion.
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Samsung's Upcoming Galaxy S8 Flagship Smartphone Won't Have a Headphone Jack: Report

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  • Sweet (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bartosek ( 250249 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:20PM (#53434809)

    Guess who's not buying an S8?

    • Re:Sweet (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:25PM (#53434845)

      The burn victims?

    • Re:Sweet (Score:4, Informative)

      by fizzer06 ( 1500649 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:26PM (#53434851)
      Samsung fouled their nest, so I jumped ship to LG V10. Has user removeable battery, Good phone.
      • Re:Sweet (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:31PM (#53434907)

        Seems cyclical, the leading manufacturer eventually gets complacent and arrogant and starts to think they know what the consumer wants more than the consumer does.

        • Copying Apple (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @03:01PM (#53435177) Journal
          Except that in this case Samsung has a long history of copying Apple and apparently it seems to extend to even copying their stupid ideas. However it would be ironic if they put a USB-C on the phone and used that for the earphones too because then their phone would be more compatible with the new MacBooks than the iPhone.
          • Re:Copying Apple (Score:4, Informative)

            by aergern ( 127031 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @04:55PM (#53436027)

            They've already said it's going to be USB-C and the audio will use that port.

          • I thought they had learned from their history of Apple copying failure after the S6, which had no micro-sd slot and sold poorly.

            The problem Samsung (and all the other Android phone makers) have is that most people seem to want to buy an Android phone, so they figure out how much they want to spend, and compare features.

            Samsung might find non-iPhone buyers really want a 3.5mm jack and so they go and buy an LG V10 as mentioned in this thread.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      Steve Jobs?

    • Guess who's not buying an S8?

      Me, for one. And that's too bad, I was actually considering it.

    • Re:Sweet (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Mikkeles ( 698461 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:52PM (#53435093)

      'Samsung may also integrate stereo speakers which ...' ... will take up a lot more space than a 'phone jack, but has the benefit of annoying a lot more people. Win-win!

    • Tim Cook
  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:24PM (#53434833)

    thinner = more likely to blow up can we get one with sd card, battery you can swap, etc.

  • Thinner (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:24PM (#53434835) Homepage Journal
    Do people really want thinner phones? They all seem to put big old protective cases around them anyway.
    • Re:Thinner (Score:5, Insightful)

      by caseih ( 160668 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:29PM (#53434895)

      I always put cases on my phones precisely so they will be a little thicker and easier to hold. I find the thinner the phone the more awkward it is to use. Even to hold it in front of me an interact with it.

      • Re:Thinner (Score:4, Insightful)

        by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:46PM (#53435049)
        I don't use a case on my phone, but if I did it would probably be to make it slightly thicker. I see a lot of people with cracked screens, but I buy my phones unlocked so I pay the full price which makes me a bit more careful with them so I'm not too worried about any drops.

        However, it's easily possible to make a thin phone thicker with a case. However a thick phone cannot be made any thinner in such a fashion and I do remember back to when phones were much thicker and the only reason they weren't a burden was because they didn't have 5" screens. Try having a phone as thick as a Nokia 3310 be any wider or taller than it was and still be pocket friendly.

        I think the real reason the phones keep getting thinner is that the components keep getting smaller and while a larger battery could be added, this would add to the weight of the device, which is what I think manufacturers really want to minimize.
        • by sjames ( 1099 )

          I think the real reason the phones keep getting thinner is that the components keep getting smaller and while a larger battery could be added, this would add to the weight of the device, which is what I think manufacturers really want to minimize.

          Apparently not. It is now known that the note 7 exploded because the battery had no slack space for expansion. That 0.5mm of open space wouldn't have weighed much. Better rigidity of the phone wouldn't add much weight either.

      • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
        I just upgraded from an S3 to an S7. I did not have a case for my S3 and planned to not use one for the S7 either. After 1 week, I got a $12 case off Amazon because the S7 was so damn slick, I was afraid of accidentally tossing it.
        • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

          What kind of consumer are you? Don't you know you're supposed to be replacing phones once a week? :-D

        • Look at dbrand skins [dbrand.com]; I've used one on my last 3 phones (including my current S7 Edge), my iPad Pro, and even one of my XBOX One controllers, they're good stuff. The leather texture and metallic skins seem to give the best grip and they seem durable enough; thus far, they've seemed to be a good way to protect my devices without adding bulk or weight.

          Would they hold up against repeated dropping? Probably not. But, then, I've never lost a phone to that in 2 decades; and I've thrown one phone through drywal
      • Plus, Samsung's phones (which I love otherwise) are made of the slipperiest substance this side of greased Teflon. I could not keep the dang thing in my hands until I put a case on it. (Seidio case, also sold by Best Buy as their "Platinum" case. Since I had a Palm Pilot, my first criteria for a cell phone is that Seidio makes a case for it.)

        I think if they don't have a headphone jack in future phones, though, that I may find myself looking elsewhere.

    • Seriously, that seems to be the extent of the logic some of the manufacturers use. Apple has/had an obsession with thin, Apple did well, therefore we need to have an obsession with thin.

      Personally, I say fuck that. Phones have gotten anywhere from thin enough to too thin. I had a Note 3 for a few years, which I was completely fine with in terms of thickness. However I recently got an LG G5 which is just slightly thicker, and I actually like it better. The slight extra thickness, combined with rounded edged,

    • by sims 2 ( 994794 )

      Nope but some seem to think they do.

      Case in point check how many of your co-workers are using a phone with a cracked screen.

      That is the market they are selling to everyone else sticks their phone in a case that makes the phone about 4x larger and darned near impervious to 10ft drops.

      Some people seem to prefer a cracked screen to even a minimal amount of protection.

      • I never use cases and I've never cracked a phone screen. Of course, I also don't make a habit of dropping or throwing my phones (all of them have been dropped and some have even been thrown, mind you) and I tend not to put them in my back pocket and sit on them like an idiot, so... that might have something to do with it.
    • Do people really want thinner phones?

      In Japan, the hand can be used like a knife; but that doesn't work so well with a tomato. SPLAT! Introducing the Ginsu Phone--chop, Chop, CHOP! (warning, keep phone in sheath when not in use. Works best with Ginsu shaving cream. Do not hold up to face when talking. In case you need to talk for more than four hours, do not use this phone.)

    • I put a case on any phone i have. So: thin phone + thin case will be thinner than thick phone + thin case. I moved from a 5s to a 6s (broke the 5s, middile age man eyesight liked a bigger phone) and i like the thinness of the 6s.

      YMMV,.

  • by H3lldr0p ( 40304 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:25PM (#53434843) Homepage

    Wasn't there an article yesterday saying that the battery problems with the G7 Note largely due to it being too thin? Which, given the circumstances seems to be a fairly strong thesis for the trouble. So why try to go thinner?

    I get there's a lead time on design and engineering and that it's quite likely this particular design has been in the works before the Note 7 was even out the door. But it seems like poor management to not backup and start over just to be certain the same design flaws don't happen again. Starting by not having thinness as a goal.

    Then again, I'm not an exec working on their quarterly bonus. I'm just a guy on the internet.

    • by lgw ( 121541 )

      Basic management philosophy:

      "We must do X"

      "Sir, it's not working - in fact, it's burning our customer base"

      "We're not doing enough X!"

      • "Remember Ralphie, if you get a bloody nose it's because you're picking your nose too much... or not enough." - Chief Wiggum
    • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @03:16PM (#53435289) Journal

      Wasn't there an article yesterday saying that the battery problems with the G7 Note largely due to it being too thin? Which, given the circumstances seems to be a fairly strong thesis for the trouble. So why try to go thinner?

      Samsung's problem was with the Galaxy Note 7 not the S7. (TFA is about the S8.) And the problem was not that the Note 7 was too thin, but that it was too thin for the battery. They should have provided about 0.5 mm room for expansion. They didn't, and as a result, the battery was squeezed when it expanded, and parts of its internals touched that were not supposed to. And kaboom.

      I get there's a lead time on design and engineering and that it's quite likely this particular design has been in the works before the Note 7 was even out the door. But it seems like poor management to not backup and start over just to be certain the same design flaws don't happen again. Starting by not having thinness as a goal.

      Given the disastrous blowback from the Note 7, I doubt they'll let anything in the 8th generation leave the factory until it's ready.

      Disclosure: I own an S5. It does get warm if I'm charging it in my car with Google Maps running and it's in sunlight. But otherwise it has been trouble-free as far as heat is concerned.

    • Wasn't there an article yesterday saying that the battery problems with the G7 Note largely due to it being too thin? Which, given the circumstances seems to be a fairly strong thesis for the trouble. So why try to go thinner?

      Yeah. It was an article written by a group of software engineers who bought one, opened it up and declared themselves experts through conjecture, speculation, and stuff they may have read about lithium batteries on the internet.

      But hey they got their company name on Slashdot so it was worth it.

  • Ever thinner (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TroII ( 4484479 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:27PM (#53434873)

    enables Samsung to make the Galaxy S8 thinner

    What is this fucking obsession with making phones thinner? I want a phone that's sturdy. I wouldn't mind my phone being two or even three times as thick, if it could have double or triple the battery life. What I don't want is a fragile, dainty phone that's going to snap in half if I hold it the wrong way. Who is asking for thinner phones?

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      Yep. And then buy an after market phone case with built in back-up battery for it.

    • by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:40PM (#53434993)

      Yeah! People, stop fat-shaming my one year old phone! It's not how thin your phone is, wide phones can be beautiful too.

      It's the hardware inside that counts.

    • Who is asking for thinner phones?

      What, you don't think we like the revenue generated from you prematurely breaking it? We love that shit.

      What is this fucking obsession with making phones thinner? I want a phone that's sturdy. I wouldn't mind my phone being two or even three times as thick, if it could have double or triple the battery life. What I don't want is a fragile, dainty phone that's going to snap in half if I hold it the wrong way.

      Fuck what you want. You'll get features you never asked for because it maximizes our profit. We love that shit.

      Oh, and don't forget, you accepted the EULA when you opened the box, so we can sell everything you do to everyone. We love that shit.

      Fuck you Very Much and Have a Nice Day.

      Hugs and Kisses,

      - The Smartphone Pimps

    • I demand people stop having different interests than me!

      Want a rugged phone? Buy One [catphones.com]

  • by SpankiMonki ( 3493987 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:28PM (#53434881)
    Apple should sue Samsung for copying the iPhone...oh wait
    • by Pascoea ( 968200 )
      It would be interesting to see a lawsuit for a company implementing a "copied" feature, where that feature was a component being omitted. Is that possible?
  • by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:29PM (#53434887)

    I'd rather a headphone jack than my phone to be slightly thinner.

    Phones have been thin enough since 2010. Having a thinner phone is exactly dead last on my list of priorities... about two or three spots below having a headphone jack.

    • Looks like I'm buying new batteries for my cracked Galaxy S5, rather than a new phone. Though maybe it is just time to transition fully away from Samsung.

    • Or Android|Samsung et al, could use the damnable headphone jack for a digital out, so we wouldn't be stuck with crap OTG for audio that prevents charging your device when getting an audio digital-out line to bypass the phones $5 on-board $5 DAC. See 3.5mm [aliexpress.com] to coaxial. [aliexpress.com]
  • Oh FFS (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheBilgeRat ( 1629569 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:32PM (#53434919)
    My daughter purchased the new jackless iPhone. The misplacing of the adapter for a non-bluetooth pair of headphones has been occurring on a semi-regular basis. Its a terrible design decision. Not everyone wants to also charge their bluetooth headphones. Now, if they introduce a line of bt headphones that cost 20 bucks and don't suck we might be getting somewhere. Or at least include them instead of making it an upcharge.
    • This is the kind of decisions the industry will keep shoving down our throats until the hipsters decide that it's time to have a retro phone with headphone jack and physical keyboard.
  • ...you are fucked.
  • Sigh (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ledow ( 319597 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:43PM (#53435023) Homepage

    We're so innovative, we even copy our own competitors when they make a decision that's been widely ridiculed!

    FFS, Samsung, you used to think for yourself AND make better decisions.

    • Maybe these phone companies know something we don't. The US or the EU is going to enact a headphone jack tax to replace income tax. Your taxes hereon out are based on how many headphone jacks your devices have.

      Apple and Samsung might be trying to save us money.

    • which competitor had the phone that blows the fuck up?

  • It will also be made thinner such that battery is squeezed so tight that there is impact/compression between the layers as it gets charged.

    What could go wrong?

    • by psergiu ( 67614 )

      ... and with no orifice large enough (like, circular and 3.5mm large) to quickly vent any gases created by a shorted battery ...

  • Still have to carry wired headphones when you travel anyways, until they install Bluetooth at each individual seat on the airplane!

    No.

    • by tsqr ( 808554 )

      Still have to carry wired headphones when you travel anyways, until they install Bluetooth at each individual seat on the airplane!

      Um, what? I've been using Bluetooth headphones to listen to music/movies on my phone on transatlantic flights for years. Or are you talking about the cabin entertainment system? For that, I use the handy 3.5mm cable that came with the headphones.

  • It's 2017 (Score:4, Funny)

    by holophrastic ( 221104 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @02:54PM (#53435117)

    I can't believe we're sitting here, I'm 37 years old, and I'm finally getting stereo speakers. It's about time. I can't wait to turn 50, and get a headphone jack.

  • Judging from their recent track record, looks like we'll get to look forward to even bigger explosions in the future.

  • No thanks. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by JustNiz ( 692889 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @03:07PM (#53435231)

    Time to identify the best phone with 3.5mm jack, SD slot and removeable battery and buy it.

  • and I'm a Samsung 'fan' - well, I was. They keep being morons over and over and it's getting tiresome.

    The ONLY reason I stick with them is the physical home button, if they pull that, force edge displays and remove the headphone jack? Yeah, bye bye.

  • by Verdatum ( 1257828 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @03:11PM (#53435257)
    WHAT, DID THE PHONE INDUSTRY GET CURSED BY A SHITTY STEPHEN KING NOVEL? I haven't wished my phone was thinner for a decade now. I haven't given a pair of fetted dingos kidneys how thin my phone is and I've never met anyone who has. The only allowable excuse for this is if the phone is able to come with a free Bluetooth reciever while selling them together at a lower full-retail-price than the S7.

    I own an S5, and was considering getting an S8, but unless someone can give me a better reason than "thinner, more battery room!" then I'll gladly wait for someone else to come along and eat Samsung's lunch.

  • ... that a recent court decision had determined that Samsung was *NOT* really copying Apple. I guess this clears that up.
  • I've had a GS2, GS4, GS5, and my wife had a Note3/

    We just recently bought Asus' Zenphone Laser3. Thus far I've noticed that performs just as well as any other phone I've had, with the extra features of Android 6. It also gets *much* better battery life than any Samsung I've ever owned. At $270CAD, it's significantly cheaper than the major Samsung models, but has better specs than their "cheap" models (e.g. better CPU, 32GB instead of 8GB storage), and comes factory unlocked (with none of that lock-to-the-fi

  • We know this since at least September, a simple search in google gives me this for instance: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ew... [forbes.com]
  • What a great idea! Remove one easy way of allowing personal listening and add stereo speakers so you can play your music or phone conversations at high volume in high quality stereo!

    Apple, I think it is, is running an ad with some old guy sitting at the pool who turns the volume up on his iPhone and leaves it blaring on the table next to his lounge chair while he goes up and does a high dive. Thank goodness nobody with a brick handy wants to listen to anything other than the mariachi music at high volume

    • by sl3xd ( 111641 )

      Or, perhaps, headphones will start including their own DAC & Amp, and plug in via USB -- which means their performance isn't limited to the circuit on a portable device where the design priority is portability, not quality.

      Or maybe people will switch to Bluetooth headphones and stop the getting the cord caught in clothes & yanking on your head.

  • by mark-t ( 151149 ) <markt@nerdFORTRANflat.com minus language> on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @03:42PM (#53435491) Journal

    Every other report that I can find of this news anywhere on the web links back to Sammobile, who says that they can somehow "exclusively confirm" this, but does not mention *how*, exactly, that they were able to confirm it... The only reasons that I can imagine that they would not give this information are if they had acquired it by doing something of questionable legality and almost certainly unethical, or else they are just making shit up.

    Maybe it's bullshit, and maybe not... but something's definitely not right here, and I think it's socially irresponsible to propagate this kind of story when it can't be confirmed.

  • by Vegan Cyclist ( 1650427 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @03:47PM (#53435517) Homepage

    Would be curious to see a poll on this - do phones need to get any thinner?

  • by frovingslosh ( 582462 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @03:56PM (#53435593)
    Boy, are they going to get sued by Apple for not having a headphone jack.
  • I like thick phones and I can not lie
    You other brothers can't deny
    That when a girl walks in with a really thin phone
    And a flat thing in your face ...

    I couldn't resist with all the comments about not wanting thin phones.

  • I love when vendors think they are so big it magically earns them a license to dictate terms to their customers.

    Depending on where you live anywhere between 25% and 75% iPhone owners around you will have chosen to place their phones in bulky protective cases. Millions of people want shit that works not glossy marketing gimmicks that are actually a liability (piss poor battery life, fire hazard, fragile, harder to use)

    Then we have issue of vendors giving their customers the one finger salute by removing wid

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