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Google Robotics Hardware

Google Canceled the Launch of a Robotic Arm After it Failed the 'Toothbrush Test' (bloomberg.com) 97

Mark Bergen, reporting for Bloomberg: Google published research this week detailing how its software enables robots to learn from one another. To demonstrate, the company's scientists showed videos featuring robotic arms whirling inside its labs. Google's robotics group built those machines and wanted to sell them to manufacturers, warehouse operators and others. However, executives at Google parent Alphabet Inc. nixed the plan because it failed Chief Executive Officer Larry Page's "toothbrush test," a requirement that the company only ship products used daily by billions of people, according to people familiar with the situation.
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Google Canceled the Launch of a Robotic Arm After it Failed the 'Toothbrush Test'

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  • What if they developed something like a robotic prosthesis that really improved the quality of life for someone? Also I could of told them nobody wants to wear those stupid glasses.
    • by wile_e_wonka ( 934864 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:41PM (#53026195)

      According to the article, the research isn't over. They just aren't going to sell the robotic arm. This doesn't even mean the robotic arm won't get sold--if Google decides it has no use for this, it can just sell the IP to someone else to develop and bring to market. Google just doesn't want to be in the robotic arm selling business right now.

  • by npslider ( 4555045 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:29PM (#53026085)

    It did not fail the test. It does not want to or need to brush its teeth.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    If this was a known requirement for googles products why did they start to begin with

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:50PM (#53026281)

      Google is a little like 3M in that it's an internal project machine. They fostered a culture of internal innovation that wasn't dependent on deliverable products until a certain critical size is reached. When it gets there it gets evaluated to see if there's value in continuing it.

      Sometimes the answer is yes, sometimes the answer is no.

      I remind you that 3M rejected the idea of the Post-It and didn't fund it internally either, but they did fund the laser disk.

    • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @05:03PM (#53028115)

      If this was a known requirement for googles products why did they start to begin with

      There are applications for robots that could potentially be sold to billions of people. This just isn't one of them. A household cooking & cleaning robot would be a good product for Google. Warehouse automation robots are not.

  • that they rolled the meter back to 00000000 and now they are dumb again.

    • dumb again

      I wish I would be as dumb as Google. I wouldn't even need to laugh to the bank. I could just pay the bank to come to me, and pay someone else to laugh at it when it gets here.

  • One Size Fits All (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ADRA ( 37398 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:33PM (#53026123)

    Clearly if it has the word Google on it, it must be WEBSCALE!!!

    Really, have an off-brand trade name for products that are niche industries if you've got the stink on for smaller products. Seriously, Google's scorched earth approach for lower performing products has affected my love for the company significantly over the last couple years. I'm VERY leery to try any of their new offerings, which is clearly a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    • At one point in time Google (Alphabet) would have rejected the idea of selling computers or software at all, because most people wouldn't be using them on a daily basis. Yet here we are, where computers are pervasive to the point that they're starting to creep into watches and glasses now and phones have been subsumed into the category for the most part.

      If you could sell me a cheap robotic arm that could learn to do some simple* tasks, I'd probably get some for washing dishes and folding laundry. With a
  • by Anonymous Coward

    So did they think Google Glass would be used by billions of people? LOL!

  • Disappointed (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:34PM (#53026131)

    I am disappointed. From the headline I was expecting that they used the robotic arm to toothbrush someone and then things got funny...

    • by Qzukk ( 229616 )

      Clearly everyone needs this arm to brush their teeth for them. Add in shaving and combing and flying cars and we can live like the Jetsons!

  • by Aqualung812 ( 959532 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:38PM (#53026167)

    Why wouldn't Alphabet spin off a new company that they have a 40% stake in and let it fly?

    It wouldn't be part of Alphabet, so the rules wouldn't apply.

    If it fails, they can handle a little loss.

    If it is a hit, they can make money from it without holding back on good ideas the world might be able to use.

    • by Cederic ( 9623 )

      Exactly. They wouldn't even need to retain 40%, just sell it completely.

      There'd be IP and potentially licensing complications, but a few million (or tens or hundreds of millions) in cash or stock from a purchaser covers a lot of inconvenience.

      TFA suggests they're looking to spin off Boston Dynamics but that doesn't excuse cancelling the programme. The alleged justification around brand is also nonsense, it's trivial to create a new company and brand, even 100% owned.

      But hey, I don't run a multi-billion doll

    • by bigpat ( 158134 )

      Why wouldn't Alphabet spin off a new company that they have a 40% stake in and let it fly?

      It wouldn't be part of Alphabet, so the rules wouldn't apply.

      If it fails, they can handle a little loss.

      If it is a hit, they can make money from it without holding back on good ideas the world might be able to use.

      That is why I clicked on this thread. There should be room in the Alphabet ecosystem to spin off R&D like this into a standalone business or to sell to other companies for further development if there is a viable business plan and a sizable enough market.

      Otherwise they will get stuck in the mindset that befell Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center when it was at the forefront of computing R&D and ended up with other companies actually developing their concepts because the concepts for computing didn't

  • by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 ) <gameboyrmh@@@gmail...com> on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:44PM (#53026227) Journal

    There are huge industries built around things that fail the toothbrush test. Does Google not like getting a return on their investments?

    • by SolemnLord ( 775377 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:52PM (#53026313)

      Google's entire business model is built on massive scale. Small-but-hugely-profitable industries require a completely different approach to dealing with clients and users. If a user is having trouble with, say, their Nest thermostat, Google can log the problem and work on a fix in their own time. If an industrial client is having trouble with a robot arm, Google would be expected to be dedicating resources to that specific arm within twenty-four hours, if not sooner.

      • They can always sell the design to a different company with expertise in this type of market.

        Also, I initially imagined the "toothbrush test" as a requirement that robotic arms be able to brush someone's teeth autonomously.

      • by esonik ( 222874 )

        That's entirely correct. There are other implications when selling machinery, i.e. capital goods: the individual client has much more power over the manufacturer. A toothbrush consumer represents only one-billionth of your revenue and has virtually no power over the manufacturer. A capital goods customer can represent several percent of your revenue - in some industries several ten percent. That is on the order of the operating profit, i.e one customer can influence a lot the economic outcome.
        To deal with s

  • I doubt that the new Pixel phones will be used by billions of people daily. Who knows, though.
    • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

      Google would probably argue the Android OS is the "product" in this case, and since it is already on billions of phones used every day it meets the test.

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:56PM (#53026373)

    When I saw the phrase "robot arm" in conjunction with "toothbrush test", I had horrible visions of mangled faces from the various trials where the powerful robot arms went out of control during delicate teeth-cleaning operations were in progress.... *shudder*

  • This scene with the monkey arm in Silicon Valley is uncannily precedent. I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet:

    https://youtu.be/1KaWPYOLuT8 [youtu.be]

  • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Thursday October 06, 2016 @01:44PM (#53026785) Journal

    used daily by billions of people

    Uh ... I can think of something that billions of people "use" daily. And that, plus a robotic arm, equals Internet Rule 34.

    'Scuse me, I'm going to brush my teeth.

  • I don't need a bot to brush my teeth, I have it done
    by bigfoot. [slashdot.org]

  • Not hotcakes like it was in my day?

    Get off my lawn...

  • It didn't floss

  • For a moment there, I had a horrible premonition [youtu.be]

  • But rather for creating parts you use in products.
    Basically they have to squander all they got from it, do a few more of those, and then assemble all into something that can be sold.

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