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SolidRun x86 Braswell MicroSoM Runs Linux and Full Windows 10, Destroys Raspberry Pi (betanews.com) 205

BetaNews has a report today about a company called SolidRun, which has announced an Intel Braswell-based MicroSoM. Unlike the ARM-powered Raspberry Pi, this is x86 compatible, meaning it can run full Windows 10. Plus, if you install a Linux distro, there will be far more packages available, such as Google Chrome, which is not available for Pi. Heck, it can probably serve as a secondary desktop, Brian with the site writes. From the report: At 53mm by 40mm, these new MicroSoMs provide unheard of design flexibility while also eliminating the headache of having to design complicated power-delivery subsystems thanks to its single power input rail design. SolidRun's Braswell MicroSoM also offers flexibility in RAM options, ranging from 1GB to 8GB configurations, and offers on-board support of eMMC storage up to 128GB. Its robust design and unsurpassed HD Edge surveillance, event detection, and statistical data-extraction capabilities makes it the platform of choice for mission-critical applications requiring guaranteed reliability," says Solidrun.It starts at $117, the website has more details on specifications.
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SolidRun x86 Braswell MicroSoM Runs Linux and Full Windows 10, Destroys Raspberry Pi

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 22, 2016 @07:14PM (#52943127)

    Orders of magnitude more expensive. This should be compared to a $115 dollar laptop or Android device, not a $35 embedded device.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Indeed. While there are plenty of devices in the same price range than the Pi that are massively better designed (the RPi design team is both incompetent and using inferior components because of their tie with Broadcom, see, e.g., the bad networking and USB and missing SATA), this one here is not even in the competition.

    • Exactly. It totally misses the point of the pi. An x86 board with a pi-compatible layout and GPIO pins (and a sata port would be nice), for under $50 and you'd be in the territory of 'outcompeting the pi'. It is competing against stuff more like this: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/... [rs-online.com]

  • Not for Windows 10 anything, but having this based on x86 certainly enables one to run not just standard embedded Linuxes, but just about every other good embedded OS that's there - Minix, QNX, Haiku, OS/2 and all other OSs that are out there.

    Is this a 32 or 64 bit platform? Which CPU - Atom? What other chipsets for graphics and WiFi?

    • Re:x86 is a plus (Score:5, Insightful)

      by rubycodez ( 864176 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @07:59PM (#52943371)

      plenty of tiny form factor x86 computers out there in that price range

      this has nothing to do with the pi market. zero.

    • Intel 64-bit pentium brasswel n3710l 4 cores @1.7/2.56 ghz. 2m cache, supports VMs, launched earlier this year..
  • USB or PCI-E based e-net?

    The pi's sheared usb for all sucks and can't even hit full 100/100 speeds.

  • by nimbius ( 983462 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @07:29PM (#52943223) Homepage

    The board itself, which starts at $117

    and theres the non-starter. Intel has forgotten the purpose of the Raspberry pi isnt to outperform anything, its to provide affordable low power computing available for a wide array of applications. And FWIW if youre really that squeamish about linux, the Raspberry pi will run Windows 10 (albeit probably not much else after that.)

    • by tomhath ( 637240 )
      TFA pretty much agrees with you. If the headline had honestly said it's a more powerful single board computer for a somewhat higher price nobody would be complaining. But as already mentioned elsewhere, that isn't as clickbaity.

      Does the SolidRun "destroy" the Pi? From a raw performance perspective, absolutely. That cannot be denied. Some folks will take issue with that claim due to the price difference, and I understand that point. But again, just looking at performance and potential, it is no contest. If a Raspberry Pi 3 meets your needs, however, then more power to you.

    • The raspberry pi 2 and 3 will run a crippled version of windows 10.

      If you want uncrippled windows you need x86.

  • Comparing it with RPi is nonsense. Its a different and much more expensive category. You can buy 4x RPi3 same price. Heck, while you're about it you can buy a netbook if you spend a little more.
    • Re:Pricey (Score:5, Informative)

      by Cassini2 ( 956052 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @07:52PM (#52943341)

      Big difference: The RaspberryPi has TTL I/O. This makes it easy to do any of a wide variety of hardware interfacing. This new board only has UART ports, which means if you want to do an easy hardware project, you need another microcontroller, tool-chain, etc.

      There is a definite market for prototype devices that talk Ethernet, WiFi, UART, SPI, I2C and hardware I/O too. The Raspberry Pi does that well, and inexpensively.

  • Umm... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @07:49PM (#52943329) Journal
    Substantially more expensive computer is faster? You don't say...

    Next you'll tell me that I can get larger hard drives just by paying more for them; or shovel more packets by telling my vendor to include 10gigE instead of the default gigE NIC.

    Snark aside, it looks like they have a perfectly solid little x86 SBC there; but outperforming something that costs 1/3 to 1/4 as much as you do is 'occupying a different niche' not 'destroying'.
  • No GPIO? No Sale! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ipb ( 569735 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @07:50PM (#52943331) Homepage

    The first thing I did was look and see what it had for GPIOs with a small hope that it might even be at some level compatible with the RPi.

    None? I might as well buy a cheap mini-itx board.

    While I would love more horsepower for some projects I need GPIO's, I2C and SPI for interfacing.

    This one's a non starter and certainly doesn't destroy the RPi and as others have pointed out it has no community support whatsoever.

    • LattePanda ? http://www.lattepanda.com/ [lattepanda.com]

      I'm currently considering one of these for a DSP/Synth project I am working on. Although that will still have a small squadron of smaller boards (including 'Pis) working with it.

      I love the horsepower, memory potential, and especially the M2 connection of the SolidRun but, as you said, for my uses GPIO etc is a must

  • No comparison (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jdavidb ( 449077 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @07:53PM (#52943347) Homepage Journal

    SolidRun x86 Braswell MicroSoM Runs Linux and Full Windows 10, Destroys Raspberry Pi

    It starts at $117

    Well then it doesn't really destroy Raspberry Pi, then, does it?

    • Well yeah, it does on the raw computing performance front and x86 compatibility if you need that. But it fails on every other parameter.

      Way too expensive and no GPIO/TTL are the biggest failures.

      • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

        My Mac Pro destroys the Pi too yet somehow I still find uses for my raspberry pi collection. Like the one sitting out on my deck with a camera module hooked to a battery and solar panel. I'd hate to stick a 3,000 dollar computer out there not to mention I'd need a hell of a lot more batteries and multiple/bigger solar panels.

  • by QuietLagoon ( 813062 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @08:18PM (#52943443)
    OK, let's take a look...

    .

    - cost: $117 --- fail

    - runs full Windows 10 --- irrelevant

    - significant (outstanding?) maker community support --- fail

    .

    So that's a minus 2.5 out of a possible 3. Not a fail, but an abundance of hype.

    • It costs more than $117, from TFA:

      Yes, you are reading that correctly. The board itself, which starts at $117, will not operate on its own. To make it a full-fledged usable device for projects and other uses, you must add the SolidPC Q4 single-board 'carrier' computer which is $40. In other words, you are looking at a minimum of $157

    • And no GPIO/TTL without adding a separate board.

  • Windows 10 with display keyboard touchscreen touchpad about $100 from any good discount electronics
    http://nextbookusa.com/product... [nextbookusa.com]

    Android with display/touchscreen $37
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/di... [bestbuy.com]

  • No wireless.
    Antiquated headphone jack.
    Lame!

  • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @08:37PM (#52943529)

    So does this SoM have a detailed datasheet on how to interface and boot it or will that require a NDA like everything else that Intel releases? What about drivers, are they open source or binary blobs?

    Just looking out for my freedoms.

  • The point of RPI is to attach a breadboard to GPIO ports, experiment with sensors/servos and then solder up a project for personal use, or even ship a Kickstarter project.

    This board does not have any GPIO ports, much less a massive support community. x86 vs ARM is irrelevant for this kind of custom code. You are not going to be running Microsoft Word or playing steam games on an embedded board.

    If anything, an improvement on RPI would be better power management without sacrificing ability to develop software

  • Can't seem to block this tripe from the prolific manishs.
  • That point being that not everything needs a full GUI interfaced OS to do it's job. More often than not monitoring and controlling 4 or 8 variables is made harder by trying to do it with a desktop/laptop/tablet OS.

  • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @10:17PM (#52943931) Journal

    Does it support Intel Advanced Management Technology?

    After all, you wouldn't want an embedded controller the NSA didn't have access to, would you? The terrorists might win!

  • by Ronin441 ( 89631 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @10:31PM (#52943987) Homepage

    DESTROYS Raspberry Pi! *

    * Costs several times as much.

  • by sxpert ( 139117 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @10:43PM (#52944041)

    what a load of shit

    * costs 4 times as much (157$)
    * runs an x86 (fuck the monoculture)
    * no gpio whatsoever
    * who cares about windows 10 on embedded systems ??
    * no info on power consumption...

  • by youngone ( 975102 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @10:54PM (#52944099)

    The Raspberry Pi is popular for three major reasons -- it is small, inexpensive, and doesn't consume a lot of electricity.

    Those are all good reasons to get a Raspberry Pi, but for me the top reason is because of the community that exists around the PI.

    Anytime I have a question, or if I need to figure out how to do something new, there will be some clever friendly person who has either done it before and made their code available, or someone who will give me a pointer towards getting it done myself.

    Every other Raspberry Pi killer I've seen touted around the place lacks that and so they don't "Destroy" the Raspberry Pi after all.

  • by Leslie43 ( 1592315 ) on Thursday September 22, 2016 @11:12PM (#52944181)
    32bit UEFI support in anything other than Windows 8+ is terrible. Even if you get it to boot it's likely to need special drivers, which no one will bother making (thanks Intel!). This is no different from all the cheap Atom tablets and notebooks currently on the market, looks like a great Linux platform, except that it isn't.
  • Something priced over 50 times higher than the $5 Raspberry pi Zero is only a few times faster than it?

  • You simply cannot compare x86 IoT devices directly with ARM based chips without comparing:
    - Static operation
    - Power usage
    - Bus types and compatibility
    - Silicon die size (affecting price)

    So far x86 devices have not been winning.
    In this case you can only really compare this device with the Intel IoT devices which I believe offer more functionality for less price.

    So this Slashvertisement only serves to google-cache the fact that this device loses to x86 IoT devices and absolutely cannot be compared to the Rasp
  • For a bit more money you can buy and equip a NUC and be done with it.
  • You mean the board actually stood up, walked over to the Rasberry Pi standing nearby and crushed it to pieces? ...
    What happend to normal sentences like "Runs XYZ benchmark 5 times faster than the Rasberry Pi using half the energy" or something like that?
    Is this the effect the US political debate has on language? Probably.

  • "Destroys Raspberry Pi" Really? They had to know this was BS when they posted it so obviously it was designed just to get the flames going. Sad!

  • I'd love to see one of these little guys with six cores, dual nics, up to 16gb ram, and an external sata port. With an x86 based cpu they would make beautiful super cheap nodes for a private openstack cloud. Since people would be buying several of them and some companies might even considering building very large stacks on them the volume would allow them to be cheaper than this.
  • by grumling ( 94709 ) on Friday September 23, 2016 @01:41PM (#52948259) Homepage

    The power of the raspberry pi isn't that it is cheap. There are $9 Arm systems these days. It is the fact that there's a large established community of people who are around to answer questions and blog about what they're up to. None of the Pi Killers have anything close to the momentum.

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