Phones Without Headphone Jacks Are Here... and They're Extremely Annoying (mashable.com) 536
A few weeks ago, we had an intense discussion on what would happen if Apple's next iPhone doesn't have a headphone port -- and what that means for the rest of the industry, as well as the pros and cons of ditching the legacy port. Over the past few months, we have seen many smartphone manufacturers launch new handsets that don't have a headphone jack. Mashable has a report today in which it says that it is already causing frustration among users. From the article: In the Android camp, phones like Lenovo's Moto Z and Moto Z Force and China's LeEco have already scrapped the 3.5mm headphone jack; to listen to music on the company's three latest phones, users need to plug in USB Type-C headphones, go wireless, or use a dongle. I'm all for letting go of old technologies to push forward, but what is happening is actually going to make things worse. The headphone jack has worked for 50 years and it can work for another 50 more because it's universal. Headphones I plug into my iPhone work in an Android phone, in a BlackBerry, in my computer, in my PS4 controller, in my tablet, in any speaker with audio-out, and so on. I can walk into any electronics store and pick up a pair of headphones and not have to worry about compatibility with any of my devices. I know it'll work. [...] With a universal headphone jack, I never have to worry whether or not the crappy pack-in iPhone EarPods I have will work with the Android phone I'm reviewing or not. I also never have to worry if I'll be able to plug my headphones into a friend's phone to listen to some new song. Same applies for when I want to use my earbuds and headphones with another person's device. And there lies the real issue. I will need different dongles -- a Lightning-to-headphone-jack and a USB-Type-C-to-headphone-jack to be prepared because I do carry both iPhone and Android phone on me daily. Dongles also get lost.
New is not necessarily better (Score:5, Insightful)
It's simple, really. New is not necessarily better. Change for the sake of change is rarely beneficial to the end user.
But, unfortunately for the public, neither observation helps sell more widgets. Rather quite the opposite.
Re:New is not necessarily better (Score:5, Insightful)
It's simple, really. New is not necessarily better. Change for the sake of change is rarely beneficial to the end user
It's called Marketable Obsolescence. Now you "get" to buy stuff you wouldn't have otherwise needed or wanted.
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Ah, so there's the issue. You misread, "not necessarily better," as, "is always worse."
Hope that helps with your reading comprehension.
Needs a refresh (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Needs a refresh (Score:4, Informative)
Far from standard except that 99.999% of stereo headphones will work in 99.99% of equipment with an audio jack.
Terrible idea! Agreed. (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm also a strong supporter of sticking with something universal and that works well. There was no need to start removing this jack from phones except so they could be thinner. However phones are so thin know most people put a phone phone directly into a case to protect it from it being flung across the room because it is so small it's difficult to hold.
I'm happy my OnePlus 3 still has a jack and I'm hoping the upcoming Nexus Sailfish and Marlin also include the Jack.
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I'm also a strong supporter of sticking with something universal and that works well.
What's this useless "USB" Apple is mandating on all the iMacs?! Stick with ADB and the Printer/Modem ports. It's been Universal on Mac's since the beginning!
Analogue vs Digital, and DRM (Score:5, Insightful)
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The media content industry has already done away with analogue video output jacks. Now they are focusing on audio.
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USB Type-C allows for analog out to a pair of dumb headphones. You can either connect a pair of native Type-C dumb headphones (dumbphones?) or a 3.5mm set of dumbphones to a $3 adapter.
There will also be digital headphones and powered dumphones, but USB Type-C can totally be used to pass an analog signal from inside the phone, directly to a tiny set of speakers strapped to your head. There's no DRM in analog audio signals.
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Re: Analogue vs Digital, and DRM (Score:2)
Which I think it will. I see more kids using Bluetooth headphones. Think in a few year all the cool kids will use these. I wonder if you can pair multiple headphones to the same device?
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Wasn't this the big bugaboo of Windows Vista? I'm also curious how you think the media industries will re-introduce DRM in the billions of DRM-free songs that all the major online stores have already sold and are still selling.
No, I'm pretty sure this is just about space savings and a minimalistic design fetish. Not everything is a conspiracy, and we already won the DRM war for audio.
No, it was FUD (Score:3)
Basically what happened is one "security researcher" who wasn't that good at the "research" part of his job upgraded a system to Vista and had audio issues. He then wrote a blog piece about how Vista sucked and theorized that it was DRM causing issues. This got echo-chambered over the Internet tons and because "Vista's DRM won't let you have good audio."
It amused me since, when I read it, I had Cakewalk Sonar loaded in the background and was working with pro audio at the time, in Vista, no issues at all.
Wha
Apple Tried This Before... (Score:2)
The G4 cube was cute - similar to how the SGI O2 (the "toaster") was cute, but cute did not equate to functionality.
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Can anything Apple does in the PC arena be called a "Success" ? They have about 7% of the PC market. and as it stands Chromebooks are outselling macs.
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Yeah, their market share is slim, but their followers are astonishingly devout. Even though the hardware is no longer unique you still have a better chance of converting a windows person to mac than the other way around.
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I was a mac person. Mac II, MacII FX. They hardly killed the 5.25 inch drive. You might as well say the original PC killed the 8inch disk. It's always been a battle of price point issues vs usability issues.
When the Iomega Zip disk came out it was easy to see that existing magnetic media wasn't meeting the need. Optical is still hitting a good price performance spot, that may go but not because anything apple does. Just shifting of costs in flash and hard drives. You can get external HDs for roughly 25$/ter
Poor Arguements (Score:3, Insightful)
While I'm not thrilled at seeing the headphone jack disapear the author's reasons for keeping it apply to maybe .001 of the population. How many people really have a reason to carry both an iphone and a droid on them? Using my headphones on some one else's phone? How often does THAT come up for a normal person?
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Your first world problem must be so tragic.
So says the person posting anonymously on a first world topic forum.
What NEEDS to happen... (Score:5, Informative)
What needs to happen but NEVER will, is people need to STOP BUYING products that do asinine stuff like this.. I guar-on-teeee if NOBODY bought these phones and raised a stink with the manufacturer of said phones, you'd get some action.. Not from the "raising a stink" but from the NOT BUYING....
Re:What NEEDS to happen... (Score:5, Interesting)
I agree 100%, but the fanboy "must have the newest version for prestige" types don't care. In fact, the more exclusionary the better for them. Totally absurd.
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Do you expect those of us who have been bluetooth-only to go along with this?
I get the DRM reasoning. It makes sense to be worried about that. But I also don't like how physical connectors tend to break. I used to go through a headset every month because I'm pretty rough on devices; the cables always broke. Some years ago I switched to bluetooth headphones and that problem stopped. Entirely. I need to make sure I keep them charged, but it's well worth that hassle.
What this means is for my current and previo
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It's almost as though market incentives fail as a vehicle for democratic citizenship, or something.
because it's universal (Score:5, Interesting)
That's exactly the problem. The companies want proprietary. Hell, this goes back the earliest Macs, with their unique mouse, keyboard, and printer ports, and their scuzzy drive connectors... I can understand the reasons, but it's one of those things held them back in market share. Imagine, with their unquestionably superior software and CPUs of the time, how much they would completely dominate if they just opened the tent a little bit to let others play.
And where would the PC be if IBM's bios wasn't pried open? Too bad the same ruling didn't apply to Apple
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FWIW, IBM actually PUBLISHED the SOURCE CODE for their IBM PC BIOS in an actual book!
Among the service documentation you could buy for the model 5150 was an IBM blue binder manual that had actual scans of MX-80 printouts of the BIOS in 7-dot matrix
print as well as the actual schematics of everything in the 5150 except the Power Supply, which they bought OEM from Astec at the time.
You had to buy the SAMS 3rd-party manual for the PC if you wanted power supply schematics.
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FWIW, IBM actually PUBLISHED the SOURCE CODE for their IBM PC BIOS in an actual book!
And then, a neat trick [wikipedia.org]. I really can't see how that passed muster, but then, who am I...
I haven't used my headphone jack in 3 years (Score:3, Insightful)
Bluetooth works fine, for my over-the-ear headphones AND vehicle.
Now I'm just hoping Apple gives me decent wireless charging and consistent connectivity to iTunes without having to plug in (this functionality seems spotty, at best)
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I was going to post exactly the same thing.
After I bought a set of good BT headset last year, I plugged my phone's jack with a plastic dust plug, and haven't pulled it out since.
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Works in Detroit Metro. Works in my "RF noisy" home, with many BT devices, multiple WiFi routers (my own, but also a number of my neighbors), and rather complete cell coverage.
Is it LORAN causing interference? Do they still field these systems?
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Have you looked at a map of the U.S. Population density lately ?
Give you a hint most of it is near the water.
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Your reasoning behind this is what ? "Apple doesn't make stupid decisions ?"
Smartphone size? (Score:5, Insightful)
Phones are the size of mini-tablets these days and you're telling me there is no more room for a headphone jack?
Re:Smartphone size? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's due to their quest to get the phones ever thinner. The headphone jack is the thickest element left. By getting rid of that then the smartphone manufacturers can make the phones even thinner.
Not that there's a huge demand for that as I think most people would prefer to keep the same thinness, or even add a bit of thickness, in order to add a bit more battery and not have to charge the device as often. Or they could add some more sensors to the phone or give it some other capabilities if there was a larger battery. Get back to innovating instead of concentrating on making it thinner.
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I hear this argument a lot, but I don't really buy it. Iterations of the iPod Touch have generally been significantly thinner than their iPhone counterparts, yet they've managed to keep including a headphone jack on those.
Re:Smartphone size? (Score:4, Insightful)
I also don't buy it, but for another reason: The 2.5mm jack exists. If it was really about thinness, why not just use that?
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Because you'd have everybody bitch about that, too, as you'd have to use a *gasp* adapter to plug in your headphones.
If you're going to change it to something incompatible, you might as well change it to something that might give you higher quality audio options *and* be thinner, instead of just thinner.
Re:Smartphone size? (Score:4, Funny)
Adapter? I just lathed down my headphone plug by 0.5mm.
I believe you've already found tge problem. (Score:5, Interesting)
The headphone jack has worked for 50 years and it can work for another 50 more because it's universal. Headphones I plug into my iPhone work in an Android phone, in a BlackBerry, in my computer, in my PS4 controller, in my tablet, in any speaker with audio-out, and so on.
This is the problem with your analog headphone jack -- there's no vendor lock-in possible! This grievous error must be stopped.
Apple almost had this going on with the original iPhone, they just sank the jack down a couple millimeters into the phone so most headphones couldn't plug in properly because their plug was too large. But soon headphone makers started slimming down the plug diameter, and those crafty Chinese made little dongles for existing phones to connect. And what could Apple do? They couldn't copyright a certain diameter hole. But now, oh, but now... we have digital audio transmission possible and decoding chips so small they can literally be inside the headphones themselves, or even just the plug you hook into the device. So now we can just encrypt everything and make headphone producers pay the device manufacturer for a license to be allowed to make third-party accessories. Apple can make money without lifting a finger now. And you wont be able to use your nice $300 earphones your got for your android device or laptop on your iPhone as well. No, now your get to buy two pairs of headphones for twice the price instead.
Seriously, though. I can't wait to hear how Apple spins this as being a good thing at the next iPhone announcement in a few months here.
Re:I believe you've already found tge problem. (Score:5, Funny)
You are apparently unaware that, to date, the only phones which have shipped without headphone jacks are Android phones...
Re:I believe you've already found the problem. (Score:4, Insightful)
You are apparently unaware that, to date, the only phones which have shipped without headphone jacks are Android phones...
No, I'm very aware of that -- it's kinda the point of TFA. There are already devices with this design decision, and there seems to be no positive in it (for the consumer), it just saves the manufacturer a few cents a unit and makes locking music playback down easier. All the ways people could listen to music on their phone without using the 3.5mm headphone jack were available before the change, so removing the port only stands to remove that other option for the user. It adds zilch to the customer experience.
The issue here is, unlike the Android platform, the customer can't just say "Well, if Apple is going to get rid of the headphone jack on the next iPhone, I'll just get another manufacturer's iOS smartphone". That's why this is a bigger deal.
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When PC's started coming out without serial ports, I remember the exact same gnashing of teeth, and wailing that this was a technology that HAD to be present on all PCS because of it's idiot-proof design and the fact that EVERYONE needed it for one thing or another. MY GOD PEOPLE, CIVILIZATION WOULD FALL WITHOUT INTERNAL SERIAL PORTS!!!
Fast forward to today: Yeah, I have a USB-serial cable in my bag which I use regularly but I'm the vanishingly small exception and almost nobody cares. This panty knotting pa
Not entirely terrible (Score:2)
You could do something like tape the adapter to the headphones, or just leave it on the headphones (like 6.5mm to 3.5mm adapters)
Most earbuds are terrible crap that's physically broken anyway.
For some other pressing need you might have a 3m or 5m long cable with a jack on one end and a USB C on one end (or a 40m long one and if it's broken on one end, cut it)
3-way jack (stereo + microphone) are even sillier, I don't want to know about them.
Other way around : leave a female USB C to male jack adapter on a fe
I'm shopping for a phone now (Score:5, Insightful)
Using the headphone jack I can plug my phone into my stereo system and listen to MP3s. Granted, it's not top quality. But it's better than earbud, and definitely better than nothing. My stereo has neither USB nor bluetooth, and damned if I'm gonna buy a new stereo with my new phone.
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Phone reboots suck ass cuz it takes 3-5 days for my HTC One V to get around to looking at what's on my SD card. Until it does both EFS file explorer and Mortplayer can see the directories, but I can't play them.
BTW, 3-5 days was not a typo. Not minutes, not hours, farking days.
Hardware (Score:3)
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"There is also A2DP, which still uses lossy compression, but at a much higher bitrate, stereo, and at 48KHz sampling - good quality audio, as the compression noise is below what human hearing can detect."
I've got a pair of custom-built wireless+wired headphones. It uses Polaroid PBT598 hardware. It connects using A2DP. It also has an aux-in input jack.
You can EASILY tell the difference between the same audio track over A2DP vs the aux cable jack. A2DP adds way more of ye olde MP3 'underwater' effect.
Relax, it's going to be better than you think (Score:2)
I get the anxiety over a change like this. There will be some pain involved in the transition, particularly if you have an analog headset you like. However, as USB-C audio gains traction it will work well.
Standards will mature so that any headset will work with any phone, car, computer, etc. Power consumption will come down. DRM won't be enforced in the headset. Charge through connectors will become common. In other words, as the market grows, things that piss people off will get fixed.
At the same time, mor
Gets the history wrong (Score:4, Informative)
50 years ago, most everyone's headphone jacks were 1/4" (6.35mm), and only monaural. They introduced 3.5mm (still mono) way back when, but almost nobody was using them until much more recently. When stereo was needed, two 3.5mm jacks/pins were used side-by-side. It was only more recently that 3-connector stereo jacks were introduced.
They also shrunk it again to 2.5mm, which was popular on dumb phones and 2-way radios, but that one didn't catch on too well. But you can just as easily say that sub-mini plug has been around for decades, so we should all be happy to use that...
And they added a 4th conductor, most often for video (but possibly for a microphone), but nobody agreed to a standard so the wiring is always incompatible between devices, and that didn't catch on very well, either.
Re:Gets the history wrong (Score:4, Informative)
I think the Belling-Lee connector might have the record. Introduced in the 1920s, still in common use today. It just barely edges out the banana connector.
If you go back any further you're down to binding posts and clips to hold a bare wire - it's arguable if those count as connectors at all.
Idea already implemented, already failed (Score:5, Informative)
Perhaps the Peter principle applies to bad ideas, as well as people. Perhaps a 'headphone-ports considered harmful' meme has arisen to its level of incompetence within Motorola. And it attempts to propagate itself every decade or so...
In 2006, I remember being bugged that my Motorola SLVR required a special USB headphone jack. Plus, you couldn't charge the phone and use the headset at the same time (say, for listening to music). Other people thought so too... from this phone's top rated Amazon review :
"CONS... No dedicated headphone jack ( form over function compromise)" [amazon.com]
So the idea failed and Moto went back to headphone jacks.
Now its 2016. Bluetooth and Apple seem to have encouraged this meme to reemerge at Motorola. So we now have ... the Moto Z Force, with its innovative USB headphone port. And it appears you cannot charge the phone and use the headset at the same time. [androidpolice.com].
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Insightful)
It's been decades I got plagued with loose mini-jack connectors. My 4s and iPad 1 still work perfectly, as do newer devices I have.
It's been a complain by Apple for long that MiniJack is too thick for the design goals they were targeting. Reusing BT or USB/C or Lightning connectors saves port space, allows for a second speaker (eg., in Apple's forthcoming design if we're to believe the hype). I think manufacturers will come to realize we still want jacks (I do as I dont want to have to charge my headphones) and provide combined-plug allowing charging while still having MiniJack headphones connected. If not, their loss.
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Funny)
It's sufficient to bear my own bodyweight.
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Insightful)
Micro USB jacks wear out even more quickly. I wonder what the new connectors will be like. Everything is getting shittier.
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed, I've never had a modern 3,5mm headphone port wear out. I've had a lot of micro-USB ports wear out. : And it's only logical that would be the case, the electrodes on the headphone port are far more robust than those on a micro-USB port.
I know that the standard response to "3,5mm port removal is the feature that nobody requested" is "it'll be painless and we'll be able to use the extra space to more useful internal hardware without having to make the phone bigger". But just ignoring the "painless" thing... how much more "capability" can you add in such a little space? That's enough for what, maybe 5% more battery time?
Maybe I'm wierd, but I couldn't give a rat's arse how thick a phone is... I just want it to be robost and not a big headache.
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Not even. The last number I saw was about 2% for an iPhone. Compared to something like 20% through making the entire phone either 1mm or 2mm thicker.
Apple being Apple, it wouldn't surprise me if they remove the headphone jack, increase the thickness of the phone a smidgen, and claim the "innovative" decision to remove the jack led to a 10% increase in battery size.
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"USB Type C spec requires 10,000."
That means precisely jack shit when manufacturers use cheap-ass solder that can't withstand any sort of shear stresses. I've already destroyed two USB Type-C ports due to this.
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MicroUSB was designed for 10,000 cycles, the same as Type-C. You might be thinking of MiniUSB, but even that was for 5000 cycles, not 500. Standard A/B was designed for 1500 cycles.
Re: Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:4, Informative)
I don't know who modded this up but it is wrong.
The Micro-USB jack was designed for the same amount of cycles as the the USB-C port. The MINI-USB jack was not designed for so many plug cycles, and even that was larger than 500. Furthermore the Micro-USB jack was designed such that the failure point is the cable end, not in the jack itself.
The micro-USB wear issue is due to cheap and nasty connectors combined with poor integration, nothing more nothing less. There's a world of difference in quality out there and the good connectors rarely if ever have an issue.
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Insightful)
Micro USB jacks wear out even more quickly. I wonder what the new connectors will be like. Everything is getting shittier.
And increasing their usage will decrease their lifetime.
I like my headphone jack near the top of the phone, not at the bottom where the usb port typically is. I also may want to listen while I am charging. I also don't like the extra bulk of BT headphones, nor the cost for what is often crappy audio quality.
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Micro USB jacks wear out even more quickly. I wonder what the new connectors will be like. Everything is getting shittier.
This is a feature, not a bug.
Apple, et al. are starting to require new ways to make people "need" a new phone every year. Sales are flattening because the smartphone craze is over, everyone who wants one has one. Beyond this software and hardware releases are becoming more steady and aren't the huge leaps they were in previous years. So making the hardware crappier and adding in features that can force obsolescence is now the preferred way of generating sales.
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what you describe is most of the china crap that you buy today.
that does not mean that in-spec jacks and plugs are a problem. in fact, they are not!
so, complain about buying dollar buds. but don't say all jacks and plugs are bad, since that's just plain out WRONG.
its not my fault that you buy crap and complain about the format.
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Funny)
Everyone hates all-caps.
NOT ME!
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Insightful)
For what value of "ridiculously"? I don't have a single 3.5 mm jack in the house with bad connection poltergeists.
But then, I'm still running an NAD 7140 from the 1980s as my stereo amplifier. Had to go in there last week with electrical contact cleaner to take the crackle out of the volume and balance pots, but I'm sure the audio jack still works perfectly. I'd have replaced some of the electrolytics, too, if my ears could hear any defects.
Obviously, though, I'm not a desirable Apple customer on several counts (ability to fix things myself, willingness to keep using unfashionable equipment that still works fine, ability to tell whether unfashionable equipment still works fine), so there is that.
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Re: Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:3)
Apple Store doesn't sell hi fi. They sell portable Bluetooth speakers. Of course the quality is worse.
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Not any more, they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re: Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Funny)
that's the darkest wiki entry ever for a consumer electronics product. literally:
* reaction at launch
* criticism
* discontinuation
at the very least, they could link to what the reviewers said at the time it was released.
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Just look at the latest stuff from McIntosh and such, they're perhaps even uglier than they used to be, but that doesn't matter. Sound quality is still excellent and will completely trash anything you'll find at an Apple store or referred to by an Apple employee.
Because even with the mellow analog sound, how big is that tube smartphone going to be?
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Funny)
Oh man, I would definitely carry a tube smartphone.
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Re: Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:2)
> I'm still running an NAD 7140 from the 1980s
Sweeet. A couple months ago, I got a solid TEAC amp, powering a set of KEF bookshelf speakers. Combined with Apple Music subscription, I'm listening to all sorts of awesome stuff. Got to the point I stopped watching junk food tv, put the tv on a rolling stand and roll it into and out of the room as needed.
Enjoy!
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Listen, I can get you a really good deal on some ceramic dialectric directional cable elevators that will increase your signal/noise ratio by 60%. YOU CAN HEAR THE DIFFERENCE.
http://www.reddragonaudio.com/... [reddragonaudio.com]
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I use Monster Cable to connect my Bluetooth Sennheisers to my smartphone. Oh, wait ....
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Funny)
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What do you need that newfangled stuff for? I have a Quad 33/303 setup.
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It wears out ridiculously fast. I've had to find the "sweet spot" on an untold number of 3.5mm jacks. You either have to twist the plug to the perfect angle or apply pressure on the correct side, or else you get no sound or severely diminished sound.
This has been my experience as well. Not every jack fails - but it still happens more often than for any other jack type that I commonly use. However, I'm still not happy about the move to USB (or Lightning) for everything.
Why? Because manufacturers are cheaping out by actually removing the headphone jack, rather than replacing it. If everything plugs in by USB, good - but I still need to be able to plug in more than one thing at a time, and no I don't want to add a bulky hub to do it.
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Insightful)
It wears out ridiculously fast. I've had to find the "sweet spot" on an untold number of 3.5mm jacks. You either have to twist the plug to the perfect angle or apply pressure on the correct side, or else you get no sound or severely diminished sound.
This has been my experience as well. Not every jack fails - but it still happens more often than for any other jack type that I commonly use.
This is cray. I've used tons of audio jacks over the years (being both an audio person and a mobile DJ). I've worn our FAR more micro-USB ports (and more expensively to replace) than I've ever had problems with headphone jacks. And the two times I've had problems with headphones, a tiny amount of solder fixed it.
More to the point -- simpler is better.
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Insightful)
If that is true, then it is true because it is the jack that you use far more often than any other type of jack. I treat headphones like crap, and headphone jacks even more horribly. The last time I had one actually break was on a PowerBook 145 (where I broke at least two or three headphone jacks). Even with massive abuse, I haven't broken one in any hardware built in the past twenty years.
On my first iPhone, I did have one instance where the jack thought headphones were plugged in when they weren't. That took a little bit of jiggling with a pair of headphones to resolve. But at no point have I ever seen a modern jack break. Not in my gear, not in gear belonging to anyone I know.
I have, however, seen Lightning plugs break off in the jacks. Not only will you lose your headphones when that happens, but also the ability to charge your phone. On the plus side, Apple is going to sell a LOT more AppleCare plans after people break their third or fourth Lightning jack. So my stock loves the idea....
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To my dispointment, a number of my live sound colleagues have blown up iphones by plugging in via mini jack to XLR, and forgetting to switch of phantom power. They should know better, luckily they play dumb and tell Apple it just stopped working, and get replacements.
That should be the least of their worries. Plugging pre-amped headphone level output into mic level inputs isn't good for the mixer either. At least use a passive direct box that can match impedance and attenuate the signal. Better ones do re-amp, balun and 48V stripping, but even a $25 direct box is better than blowing your mackie/motu/whatever, and having to software gate a horribly clipped signal.
Fortunately, most mixers made after the 1950s have these magic devices called "Input Gain", which can match the sensitivity of the input channel to an extremely wide range of signal levels, including so-called "line levels". Portable device headphone outputs can almost always be adjusted to be well within this range. So, unless you ignore that red "clipping" indicator on your input-strip, signal level mismatch isn't a problem. And if you're sourcing from a phone, any impedance mismatch (which probably doesn
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Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:4, Insightful)
I've never had that problem in 40+ years of using headphone jacks and plugs.
Actually, I have had this problem before - but not for the past 20-30 years. Back in the days when cheap transistor radios were a thing, I semi-regularly had earphone/headphone jacks break on me. Usually you could easily re-solder them, unless the manufacturer did something evil like encase it in rubber.
But with computers, iPods, and smartphones? Never had an issue.
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Insightful)
So instead you want to break your power charging plug hole, the one you now generally use once per day and that with a fixed battery. So instead a potential proprietary socket, that will wear out, destroying the phone because no it connects to nothing and you can not pull out a flat battery and replace it with a charged battery. Yep, gullibly being sold another B$ marketing line. So with an existing ear socket phone you can listen through the usb socket with the right hardware and software but not fucking while you are charging the phone but that's OK you can swap out the battery and charge it separately, oh wait no you fucking can't.
When I am sitting back at home listening to my phone with a headset, as I am not moving, I charge up the phone at the same time, it's common sense and I have decades old cd/radio players that still plug fine their headsets work fine, so worn socket, likely crappy off spec plugs.
It's fanboy rationalization (Score:3)
You see it all the time with fanboys of a given brand. When that brand does something stupid or something they don't like, they have to rationalize it away how it isn't just not bad, but is actually a GOOD thing. That way, they can continue to be a fan and needn't reevaluate their position, which is important since being a fan of a brand often means having your ego tied up in the success of that brand.
You see it a lot with Apple fans since Apple is known for changing things on a whim with no warning or inpu
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So what's the objection to everyone using BT headsets? People hate wires today.
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:4, Interesting)
So far, my objection is that they don't work well. I got a BT hands-free headset, and had the idea of listening to audiobooks on my commute. Nope - after a while, my Android phone somehow borked the volume. It plays so soft I can't hear the thing. Until this tech gets much more reliable [androidcentral.com], it's too early to kill the analog jack.
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Informative)
In no particular order:
That first one by itself is a showstopper for me. The rest just add more reasons to question the sanity of Apple's upper management. Not that I needed more reasons to question their sanity given that they're still trying to make the d**n things thinner even after they were forced to reengineer parts of the iPhone 6 Plus to fix bending problems....
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:4, Interesting)
In no particular order:
That first one by itself is a showstopper for me. The rest just add more reasons to question the sanity of Apple's upper management. Not that I needed more reasons to question their sanity given that they're still trying to make the d**n things thinner even after they were forced to reengineer parts of the iPhone 6 Plus to fix bending problems....
I've used about 10 BT headsets over the years. The best ones for latency of response are my LG HBS 730's (not the newer ones) and those were really good (100 milliseconds, no sound delay) However, I don't wear BT headphones because they strain my neck, fall off, or (in the case of those cheap Amazon eel-looking ones - simply didn't hold in my ear too well.
They're really convenient, but there's a reason I don't use them anymore (other than they wore out). I use Apple Earpods (don't buy those on Amazon either - too many knockoffs and AZ doesn't care if you get scammed) - they're essentially sweatproof, they stay in nicely, don't tangle, and are relatively cheap for decent sound quality ($30).
Charging is a big issue (Score:3)
Bluetooth can work fine if you don't use something a lot, but headphones are the kind of thing you may wish to use for extended periods. I've never seen a BT device that isn't massive that has any staying power. Like I have a Plantronics Voyager Legend. This is a new, high end, and fairly large ear piece. It curves over your ear and has a unit that sits behind with electronics and a sizable battery in it. For all that, it is lucky to get maybe 6 hours of talk time fully charged (which will only get worse as
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Obviously we should never have moved from the original 1/4" (6.35mm) audio headphone jack, which just works.
As a bonus, phones would have to be a little thicker, so might not have such crappy battery life now.
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The problem has always been, like every connector ever devised by humankind, "Good ones are good and cheap ones suck". I've got a Sangean portable radio that I've had at least 20 years, and I've never had sound cut out or had to mess with moving the plug around to get it to work. My Gen One iPod still works fine. My old brown Zune 30gig with the mechanical drive inside has ne
Re:Headphone Jack is Pretty Crappy (Score:5, Funny)
I've had to find the "sweet spot" on an untold number of 3.5mm jacks.
Well... Your partners say you try to find it and give you an "A" for effort.
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Crappy jacks in crappy phones have their connections break away from the circuit board.
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I take transit (or occasionally drive) from 40 miles south of Seattle, back and forth to UW. My old Sony DR-BT101 Bluetooth headphones work very reliably with my iPhone for the entire trip, including in downtown and at the U.
However those headphones are "old" Bluetooth... when I've tried out various Bluetooth 4 devices, I've run into frequent problems (usually audio that's noticeably lagging the source - not so much disconnections). I'm not particularly enamoured with what I've experienced from newer revisi
Bluetooth == Wifi-like channel congestion. (Score:3)
Yeah, out in the boonies, it works. But wait a few years, until you take a bus with a bunch of kids with iToys. You know how difficult it is to get a clear WiFi channel in a crowded environment? Well, the same thing will happen with Bluetooth. Your device will be fighting it out with a whole bunch of other devices over limited radio spectrum. The resulting fiasco is completely predictable.
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Being a stupid shit is your fault, but everyone else's problem. Here's to hoping someone flushes soon.
(Apple hasn't released a phone sans headphone jack. Those would be Android phones, you bigoted, hateful shit.)
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Re:get over it (Score:4, Insightful)
The headphone jack interface is ancient. So is the Edison screw light bulb, but that fitting is still commonplace. Simply being old is not a good reason to abandon technology. The floppy drive was killed off not because it was old, but because superior alternatives were available. What is the superior alternative to the headphone jack? What else can offer the same convenience, low cost, universal compatibility, and reliability?