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True Desktop Class Nvidia GTX 10-Series Cards Coming To Notebooks In Few Months (pcgamer.com) 86

Posted by msmash from the affinity-for-efficient-cards dept.
If you're in the market for a new gaming notebook, you might want to consider waiting a few months. PCGamer blog, citing its sources, report that Nvidia plans to release its new 10-series chips for notebooks. From the report: The kick is, they won't be M versions of desktop GPUs. They will be the same chips used on the desktops, just operating at a lower TDP -- we're told there will be the same number of shader units, etc. We're also told that Nvidia will not go back to producing separate M versions of its desktop GPUs, which is good news for those looking for better gaming performance on the road or in a desktop replacement type notebook.
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  • I always hated that term. Makes it sound like its only good for taking notes when it can in fact do far more.

    I am aware of the fact that it's a marketing term coined to avoid getting sued for perpetuating the idea that you can leave the thing on your lap, switched on for days at a time with no adverse health effects.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AK Marc ( 707885 )
      If you buy a Chromebook for a Notebook, that's about all you can do with it (unless you side-load a second Linux, and then you can run Steam, and, the thing that most people claim they load it for, Skype [shudder]).
      • Does it even run any games besides the original Doom? Not that you'd ever need anything else, mind you.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AK Marc ( 707885 )
          I haven't bothered to break the kid's Chrombeook yet. But I've heard it will run a wide variety of Linux Steam games, not just the old (or trivial) ones.

    • Re:Notebook (Score:4, Informative)

      by EvilSS ( 557649 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @02:25PM (#52235427)

      I always hated that term. Makes it sound like its only good for taking notes when it can in fact do far more. I am aware of the fact that it's a marketing term coined to avoid getting sued for perpetuating the idea that you can leave the thing on your lap, switched on for days at a time with no adverse health effects.

      The term, originally, referred to a then-new class of smaller laptops with a footprint about the size of a sheet of notebook (A4 in particular) paper. You have to remember that laptops were not exactly small or light back in the late 1980's when the term Notebook started to be used in marketing. The term was coined to distinguish the new devices, which would be closer to what we think of as laptops today, from their older, bulkier cousins.

      The toasted skin issues gained prominence well after the term was introduced.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by thsths ( 31372 )

        Indeed. I used to use one of the as a hand-down...

        http://www.oldcomputers.net/ib... [oldcomputers.net]

        Compared to that, a notebook is something very different.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by mlts ( 1038732 )

      I worked for one place that called them portables, regardless if they were a notebook, netbook, or laptop. This got rid of any confusion when comparing items.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Keep trolling!

  • If I want to play video games, I'll play on my gaming PC.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Until you want to do it when you're not home.

      I regularly move between home, the lake, and business trips. Lugging a desktop PC around is not a viable solution, but the laptop I've been running for the past 2 years has been able to handle everything I throw at it on medium/high and nobody bats an eye when I carry it on a plane.

      • Until you want to do it when you're not home.

        That's what the iPad or iPhone is for.

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by Anonymous Coward

          You got a phone that plays Overwatch?

          This isn't "I want to play a game on the subway" here, this is "I'm in a Texas hotel for a week" material.

          • You got a phone that plays Overwatch?

            Oh, hell no. I don't have the attention span to play Overwatch. Game play has to be 15 minutes or less.

    • I have a docking station connected to a really big monitor and real keyboard and mouse. Works great, only the graphics card is mediocre. With this, I won't have to suffer much about that either.

      My only concern is heat dissipation. How is that going to work? Nvidia cards put out of a lot of heat.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AK Marc ( 707885 )
      My laptop beats most PCs for gaming. Sure, it's not quad-SLI, and never will be, but it plays current-year games without a problem. Gaming PCs take up too much space, and get in the way of things. A gaming laptop is much more useful because you can use it in more places and times.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by mlts ( 1038732 )

        This reminds me of the Clevo laptops from a decade ago. They were not thin and light... but they could go into a backpack, and had the ability to have three hard drives, a pop-out remote for video, a separate DVD player, and use a desktop CPU.

        I wouldn't mind something like that today. Something with two M.2 slots and hardware RAID, eSATA, TB-3, 32+ GB of RAM, a bay for a 2.5" SATA HDD (for backups), and a decent i7 or even a Xeon processor. With closed-loop water cooling, this could be doable. It wouldn

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AK Marc ( 707885 )
          What you want is a dock solution. Have the laptop you describe, minus the ports and RAID, and slot into a dock that has water cooling for the laptop, piles of disk, and all the I/O you could want. I used to run an external gaming card with HP laptop. They had a PCI card slot, and you could get gaming cards to work on a regular laptop, just in the dock.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by mlts ( 1038732 )

            This is arguably a very useful solution. It reminds me of the PowerBook Duo or the IBM Thinkpad dock, which allowed for an entire added PCI bus, way back when.

            The portable portion would be something fairly light and easy to tote around, with a decent amount of RAM, CPU, and SSD space.

            The docking station would use Thunderbolt 3, a decent GPU renderer, drive bays, and the other trimmings, such as a PCIe card slot, 10gigE ports, and so on. Add water cooling, it it wouldn't be so bad for noise.

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by AK Marc ( 707885 )
              The geek trick would be a watercooling loop through the laptop. The watercooling system in the base would lock into the laptop, and pump water through the previously empty pipes. When you want to eject, you hit a soft button that drains and stores the water, then releases. You'll get a louder, slower laptop when not on the dock, but it'd be a cool feature.

        • Clevo is one of the top three ODM's They manufacture and sell under their own name as well as being the ODM for the likes of Alienware And other top gaming laptops. MSI is also in the top three ODM's. Can't recall what the thrived one is.

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by jedidiah ( 1196 )

        A gaming PC can be as small or as big as you want. It's not the 90s any more. There's ITX, shoe boxes, cubes, and steam boxes. There are even some lower profile boxes with decent GPUs in them.

        If you aren't interested in 9 external 3.5" hot swap drive bays, a powerful machine can be quite small.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AK Marc ( 707885 )
          Right, high power, and small. Include a built in screen, and a battery, and you have a gaming machine in a laptop.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by jedidiah ( 1196 )

            > Right, high power, and small. Include a built in screen, and a battery, and you have a gaming machine in a laptop.

            A laptop will require considerable compromises. Powerful systems aren't trivial to power or to cool.

            That's one advantage of even a slightly larger low profile machine.

            Laptop screens are also tiny.

            I forgot to ask about whether or not these 10x0 based laptops will come with nuclear power cells they will likely require. [snicker]

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by AK Marc ( 707885 )
              You can hook up an external screen if you really want. But my 17.3" screen is not bad, for a laptop, though a downgrade from my 18.3 I had before. The 18.3 must not have sold well, it wasn't available when I went shopping. It also has more power than the average system, and if I hooked it up to a screen, keyboard and mouse, you wouldn't know it wasn't a low profile machine. So why the laptop hate?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by ledow ( 319597 )

      You do that.

      My five-year-old gaming laptop does everything from play 1000 games on Steam (including GTA V etc. at decent rates) to word-processing to virtual machines for development. All on one device, battery-powered, portable (LAN gaming anyone?), silent, plugs into any HDMI at friends houses, etc.

      With an SSD (out of two 2.5" SATA devices that it has bays for) there aren't even any moving parts except a fan that only kicks in when on mains power and really slagging it. And I can alt-tab back and forth

      • Bullshit.

        The best laptop GPU available in 2011 was a radeon 5670m. That thing gets less than 10 frames per second in GTA V even on the lowest detail settings available.

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by Khyber ( 864651 )

          GTA V wasn't even out in 2011.

          And much like it's predecessor, GTA IV, it had some serious CPU-bound issues, more than GPU bound. Kinda hard to render more than 10FPS when your CPU is busy trying to do everything else and failing.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by ledow ( 319597 )

          I call bollocks on your bullshit, mate.

          Nvidia GeForce GT540M

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

          Maybe it's not your cup of tea, having to dial down an option or two, but that's a five-year-old laptop. A modern gaming laptop just laughs at it.

          P.S. Radeon? Really?

    • I have enjoyed my MXM capable laptop. I bought it a few years ago with a 770m. Upgraded it to am 880m about a year later. the model says it only supports up to the 880. However some like mine can go further. the bios wont see it but the OS will. A 980 will work, hoping the same goes for the 10 series.

  • true laptop class cards coming to desktop. marketing! *jazzhands*

  • Apple won't be able to put M-version nVidia GPUs in their computers anymore. And with Skylake having less powerful integrated graphics than Haswell, they'll have no choice but to use these new nVidia GPUs for their Macs.

    Although I'm sure they'll prove me wrong in a few months.

    • What about commiting a sin from the holy church of apple and buying a Windows Laptop and installing linux on it? You still have an UNIX operating system.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by mlts ( 1038732 )

      I wouldn't be surprised if Apple went with Skylake. They have stepped back before. The Mac Minis which were quad cores, but are duo cores is one good example of that.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        I wouldn't be surprised if Apple went with Skylake. They have stepped back before. The Mac Minis which were quad cores, but are duo cores is one good example of that.

        Apple is limited to what Intel can provide.

        In this case, Apple can buy an i5 in a certain formfactor. However, the only i7 in the same formfactor is a dual core only, as Intel decided to use a different pinout for their i7 quad cores.

        Sure, Apple COULD redesign the motherboard for that one configuration, but the Mac Mini is not a popular Mac (it

  • Who the hell cares if its mobile or not if the core is still significantly underperforming in use? I'll wait for benchmarks (yeah, they can be played, but better than nothing) to see if there's any material difference in performance.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but gaming in my home office raises the temperature of the room. I can't imagine what that would do in a laptop with significantly smaller operating space. My guess is that the 'desktop class' chip would have to be heavily crippled to perform

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Rakarra ( 112805 )

      I don't know about the rest of you, but gaming in my home office raises the temperature of the room. I can't imagine what that would do in a laptop with significantly smaller operating space.

      It'll probably fry the integrated GPU over a not-too-long period of time. Then HP will give some people rebates before giving up and saying that the particular model of laptop you use isn't subject to overheating (it is) and you're SOL.

      Fuck HP. But also, Nvidia M chips with just about any real gaming graphics capability overheated a hell of a lot, in many laptops of many different manufacturers.

  • Why are they making and selling chips that gobble down the juice and roast the insides of desktop systems?

    I mean, really? I can see liquidating old stock, but if the new chips and designs are just as powerful for less juice, why not incorporate across the whole line?

    • Re:If they have a lower TDP chip with the same pow (Score:5, Informative)

      by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Thursday June 02, 2016 @03:26PM (#52236083)
      CPUs and GPUs are binned [wikipedia.org]. They test each one which comes out of manufacturing. The ones which by pure luck (fewer impurities, cleaner etchings) can operate at a lower voltage (and thus draw less power) get binned as laptop parts. The rest of them become desktop parts.

      It's not like they can manufacture these lower power consumption chips at will. The manufacturing process dictates that by pure change x% will be suitable for laptop use, leaving 100-x% for desktop use.
    • Yields. Only the best chips will run at say, 0.7 volts vs 0.9.
  • Considering that AMD has demoed 40W chips more powerful than the GTX 950, and is going to price them presumably better, I'd wait for AMD.
    • I couldn't wait another 4-9 months, for AMD's Polaris to wind its way through channels, so I got this: Lenovo IdeaPad Y700 (80NY0007US) AMD A10-8700P (1.80 GHz) 8 GB Memory 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M380 4 GB GDDR5 15.6" 1920x10180 [newegg.com], when it was $787 (17% off), with a free Lenovo (8 button) Mouse.
      I'm pretty happy with it overall. The build quality (chassis, ports, hinges, etc) is phenomenal. It's one of the better "compressed-width full keyboards" that I've seen or used. c.f. FN + Arrow Keys = Brightness and V

  • For those not paying attention, the only market segment in Windows computers that's selling well right now are gaming laptops and desktops.

    The fact is, the video game industry is one that eclipses Hollywood in dollars spent. It's here to stay and increasingly, it's becoming a mainstream pastime for the general public. Obviously, the dedicated consoles are a big piece of the gaming pie (and heck, that's been true since the days of the Atari 2600). But there's so much more you can do with a keyboard and a mou

  • I would be very happy if these would end up in the next iteration of the MacBook Pro. Having the Oculus Rift work on an Apple machine (when Oculus resumes its work on an OS X and releases an SDK) would spare me the extra cost of buying a PC. I hope to set up a VR rig within 12 months and my 2011 MacBook Pro is eligible for replacement; I hope to combine these two.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      Presuming its not you buying the MacBook otherwise you're going to have to explain the (very bad) logic of buying a MacBook for VR.

  • same number of shader units

    good news for those looking for deep learning on the road

  • Back when laptops were bricks and battery life was counted in minutes, not hours.

  • Pascal must run A LOT cooler/lower power than Maxwell to not need a special M variant, or they're underclocking it to hell.

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