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Lockheed Claims Breakthrough On Fusion Energy Project 571

Lockheed Martin claims it has made a significant breakthrough in the creation of nuclear fusion reactors. The company says it has proved the feasibility of building a 100MW reactor measuring only 7 feet by 10 feet. They say the design can be built and tested within a year, and they expect an operational reactor within a decade. The project is coming out of stealth mode now to seek partners within academia, government, and industry. "Lockheed sees the project as part of a comprehensive approach to solving global energy and climate change problems. Compact nuclear fusion would also produce far less waste than coal-powered plants, and future reactors could eliminate radioactive waste completely, the company said."
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Lockheed Claims Breakthrough On Fusion Energy Project

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  • Of course! (Score:5, Funny)

    by ArcadeMan ( 2766669 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:40AM (#48148911)

    The company says it has proved the feasibility of building a 100MW reactor measuring only 7 feet by 10 feet.

    That's why it never worked before! Nobody thought about building a two-dimensional reactor!

    • by rwv ( 1636355 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:51AM (#48149033) Homepage Journal
      What the article fails to mention is that the new reactor has to be 800 feet tall or buried 400 feet in the ground. Or 400 feet tall and 200 feet buried. It's pretty complicated figuring out the math here.
      • Maybe the reactor has no height [xkcd.com].

        • No height would be a height of 0. It's a known value. That comic is more akin to a height of infinity.

      • Re:Of course! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by allcoolnameswheretak ( 1102727 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @10:20AM (#48150081)

        Everybody is joking, but this news update on fusion energy coming from an established, well known corporation is pretty serious. Isn't this the first time a respected company is claiming a breakthrough, a working prototype of fusion energy?
        Do you realize what implications this has, if it is really fusion energy as they claim? It's a world changer.
        I got goose bumps just from reading "Lokheed, breakthrough, fusion energy"....

        • Yeah, the same people that are attempting to build the F-35.

        • Re:Of course! (Score:5, Informative)

          by bkr1_2k ( 237627 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @12:06PM (#48151517)

          There is no working prototype. This is a theoretical break through. They haven't proven anything yet.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:53AM (#48149061)

      It is a design on paper only. Of course it is two-dimensional right now.

      • by tibit ( 1762298 )

        Admittedly, though, 7x10' plans are kinda small as far as nuclear-anything goes. Must be all the hawk-eyed interns that have worked on that project, 'cuz man, they must have printed this shit at 3000 dpi and used Paint to tweak every pixel to fit it on 7x10' of paper :)

        • Re:Of course! (Score:5, Informative)

          by Hadlock ( 143607 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @09:29AM (#48149483) Homepage Journal

          Nuclear reactors aren't a whole lot larger, they managed to make them small enough to fit on a space rocket, a submarine and back in the 1960's, nine of them on an Aircraft Carrier. It's the support systems (like cooling) and maintenance buildings that end up taking up several acres. Dissipating the waste heat of a 20MW reactor safely, indefinitely, is no small feat.

    • Pretty soon, they'll be small enough that you'll hear "Is that a fusion reactor in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?"

    • by Greyfox ( 87712 )
      That would definitely make it a lot easier to squish the atoms together! It's genius!
    • The company says it has proved the feasibility of building a 100MW reactor measuring only 7 feet by 10 feet.

      That's why it never worked before! Nobody thought about building a two-dimensional reactor!

      That's assuming that it's rectangular solid, it's probably an ellipsoid.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      Meh, wake me up when they develop a spherical reactor with an even distribution of plasma.
    • by Thanshin ( 1188877 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @09:33AM (#48149537)

      Not exactly. Its section is 7 feet by 10 feet. To achieve 100MW the length must be infinite. Any reduction in length implies a proportional reduction in power.

    • by bobbied ( 2522392 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @10:24AM (#48150153)

      The company says it has proved the feasibility of building a 100MW reactor measuring only 7 feet by 10 feet.

      That's why it never worked before! Nobody thought about building a two-dimensional reactor!

      Hey, at least it looks good on paper!

  • by Thud457 ( 234763 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:42AM (#48148929) Homepage Journal
    Things must really be bad for them to be releasing the "alien" technology from the skinkworks.
  • wow (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:42AM (#48148931)

    Never thought I'd read this...
    We just might survive this century after all.

    • Can anyone find the patent applications? I'd like to cross-reference the authors with what's on arxiv.org.

      • Re:wow (Score:5, Informative)

        by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @09:18AM (#48149365)

        Here's the Wikipedia article on his project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H... [wikipedia.org]
        Here's some research he was involved in at MIT that he was involved in at some unknown date: http://ssl.mit.edu/research/Fu... [mit.edu]
        Here's a video of one of the researchers talking about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

        • And a prototype by 2017!

          This gives me a really good feeling. :)

        • Here's a video of one of the researchers talking about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

          Watch the video, it explains the whole thing. Wow... I'm very excited.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by lgw ( 121541 )

          Great links. If this is deuterium-deuterium fusion [wikipedia.org], I'm baffled why it isn't crazy radioactive. You get two reactions from that, one of which makes Helium and a neutron, the other makes Tritium and Hydrogen. Deuterium-Tritium fusion makes a very energetic neutron.

          The neutron from the D-D reaction carries ~2.5 MeV, which isn't that hard to stop (though the reactor is so small - wonder if that includes shielding). The neutron from the D-T reaction, however, is ~14 MeV which is a real problem. Have they f

          • Re:wow (Score:5, Informative)

            by Crispy Critters ( 226798 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @11:26AM (#48151011)
            >I'm baffled why it isn't crazy radioactive.

            It is! Nontechnical discussions aren't very good at differentiating between three somewhat different areas of concern. First, neutrons and gammas produced by the reaction need to be shielded but go away when you turn the reaction off. Second, short-lived activation in which materials are radioactive, but with a half-life of years or less that becomes safe in a reasonable time. Fusion reactors have both of these, but they are manageable. Third, fission leaves behind nuclear waste materials with a half-life in tens of thousands of years--this is nasty stuff and is around basically forever. Fusion produces no long-lived waste (there is probably some component of some alloy that will prove to make tiny amounts of bad waste, but nothing significant compared to fuel rods from fission reactors).

            • Re:wow (Score:5, Insightful)

              by radtea ( 464814 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @01:42PM (#48152587)

              Third, fission leaves behind nuclear waste materials with a half-life in tens of thousands of years--this is nasty stuff and is around basically forever. Fusion produces no long-lived waste (there is probably some component of some alloy that will prove to make tiny amounts of bad waste, but nothing significant compared to fuel rods from fission reactors).

              The critical thing to understanding this is that fission reactors are (necessarily) full of heavy elements, which is where the long-lived stuff comes from. Fusion reactors are full of light elements.

              There are very fundamental physical reasons why radioactive light elements almost always have much shorter lifetimes than radioactive heavy elements. If you've only got a few nucleons to play with, turning a proton into a neutron is a major change in configuration, so the energy gap between the radioactive isotope and the adjacent stable isotope is large, and in general the lifetime against beta decay scales inversely with the fifth power of the endpoint energy. In heavy elements, which have so many nucleons they can be adequately modelled as liquid drops in some cases, changing one neutron to a proton doesn't change the configuration very much so the energy difference is small and the lifetime can be very large. Unfortunately, although the energy of the beta particle emitted is small, the energies of the other particles in the decay chain (gammas and more betas in most cases) can be pretty much anything.

              So: heavy elements (fission) bad; light elements (fusion) good. Fusion reactors are designed with this in mind. They will produce a lot of nasty stuff, but almost all of it will decay rapidly, so given that the engineering issues of fission waste are pretty much under control (the political issues are not) we can be confident that fusion power will be OK in that regard.

        • Re:wow (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @09:42AM (#48149647)

          Further reading: http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the... [ucsd.edu]

          Based on this, 1 gram of Deuterium produces 320 megawatts of power.
          The average American would consume the amount of deuterium found in 60kg of ordinary water per year to produce the energy they need in a year. There's enough Deuterium in our oceans to produce free power until long after the sun dies.

          • by Xest ( 935314 )

            Yeah, you say that now, but when we get more power, you can all but guarantee we'll use more power.

            Probably, we'll start creating climate controlled neighbourhoods or something, live in Sunnyvale Town, where it's 30c all year around!

          • by Filter ( 6719 )

            This doesn't make sense, mass equates to energy, not the rate of energy.
            I understand watts to be power, or the rate of energy usage.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:45AM (#48148953)

    "U.S. submarines and aircraft carriers run on nuclear power, but they have large fusion reactors on board that have to be replaced on a regular cycle."

    yeah, no

    • by merky1 ( 83978 )

      Not sure why you got modded down to 0, but the article definitely needs some fact checking. Especially the last line about ships using large FUSION reactors. Looks like an investment scam more than a breakthrough...

    • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @09:23AM (#48149417) Homepage Journal

      It is amazing that reporters seem to lack even an 8th grade level of science education.
      They did change the fusion reactor to fission but.
      It now reads
      "U.S. submarines and aircraft carriers run on nuclear power, but they have large fission reactors on board that have to be replaced on a regular cycle."
      The reactors last the life of the ship. It is only the fuel that gets changed they they are aiming for that to be the life of the ship as well. It is at least 20 years today.
      And this part.
      "Ultra-dense deuterium, an isotope of hydrogen, is found in the earth's oceans, and tritium is made from natural lithium deposits."
      Wow.... ultra-dense......
      Good grief.
      Well the reporting is crap but lets hope Lockheed really has what it says it has.

  • uh oh, wait. Cold? Fusion? It aint gonna work noway nohow.
  • This is great news...for those who will survive the Ebola epidemic.

  • by Thud457 ( 234763 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:47AM (#48148979) Homepage Journal

    OMGWTFROFLOLBBQ! Reuters doesn't have a science correspondent. I didn't know they were headquartered in Texas.

  • Not what they said (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Punko ( 784684 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:48AM (#48148985)
    From the Lockheed Martin site : “The smaller size will allow us to design, build and test the CFR in less than a year.

    After completing several of these design-build-test cycles, the team anticipates being able to produce a prototype in five years."

    They ain't got nothin' yet.
    • Their design is so advanced and produces so much energy that they'll be able to build and test the CFR in less than a year even though the team anticipates being able to produce a prototype in five years. It's a hint about how they also found out how to time travel with the same process.

    • I agree with you that this is hype until proven.

      There are now a dozen or so "alternative" fusion designs out there pursuing the dream of fusion energy and almost all have the property of predicating the work on a sound theoretical foundation but with little practical experimental support. Modeling plasma is notoriously hard.

      Why didn't Lockheed Martin just build the prototype and then announce Q > 1 when there were actual results?

  • Not New information (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:49AM (#48149001)

    Revealed work in 2013

    http://www.dvice.com/2013-2-22/lockheeds-skunk-works-promises-fusion-power-four-years

  • by Crashmarik ( 635988 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:50AM (#48149011)

    This is as about as content free a news story as I have ever seen.

  • In all the fusion research the key question is, "Is it producing more energy than it consumes?" The article is silent about it. Looks like they have shrunk the size of the reactor. But might not have made it net energy producer. It speculates it could power a ship. But does not say clearly they have made it net energy producer. If Fusion produces significant amount of excess energy (more than it consumes) for a significant period, that facet alone, by itself, is a major break through, irrespective of size.
  • by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:53AM (#48149053) Homepage Journal

    With this and the new ebola infections coming out, it looks like we're on the verge of solving both the energy crisis and overpopulation

    I never thought I'd see so much progress in my lifetime. We live in the future!(*)

    (*) ...of a Stephen King novel, apparently.

    • it looks like we're on the verge of solving both the energy crisis

      No. The energy crisis typically refers to lack of oil, fusion reactors will replace coal. We're still going to have problems in the middle east until we get electric cars.

  • by Mark4ST ( 249650 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @08:54AM (#48149073) Homepage
    I'm very excited about this! I'm most excited because the announcement came from a known company with a track record, that has everything to lose. Normally this sort of thing come from a scammer looking for chump investors.
    • Fusion power is a huge scam.

      Fusion is often designed to fuse hydrogen into helium. This process seems sane because... I mean look at the world, just look at it. We're about as likely to ever run out of water as we are to ever run out of oil, or trees.

  • ...fusion power is exciting

    On the other hand, I'm not excited about Lockheed Martin developing it.

    With my third hand, did anyone else read in the article that nuclear submarines run on a fusion reactor that needs to be replaced on a yearly basis? I was under the impression that it was a fission reactor, so it really makes me doubt if the writer knows what he/she is talking about.
  • If it's not impossibly heavy and doesn't produce fissile waste it could be used in all sorts of large vehicles, both commercial and military.

    But plenty of fusion reactor designs have worked in theory; making them work in practice, though...

    • by catchblue22 ( 1004569 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @09:15AM (#48149339) Homepage

      But plenty of fusion reactor designs have worked in theory; making them work in practice, though...

      Yes, but this is Lockheed Martin. And we live in the age of computer aided design, where we can simulate much of an object before building this. In addition, I'm fairly sure that they have built smaller versions of this as proofs of concept. And now they have Thomas McGuire making the announcements, who is the lead scientist on the project, instead of the project manager doing presentations. He wrote his PhD thesis at MIT on fusors.

      I am inclined to believe that this is the real thing. My main question is this: They use radio frequency radiation to heat the plasma; how have they overcome the rf shielding effect caused by hot plasma?

  • Using a hot air balloon to lift men off the ground.
    Sustained heavier than air human flight.
    Putting Man on The Moon.
    • by tibit ( 1762298 )

      What you'll find though, as far as those "can't be done" arguments are concerned, is that - at least the old ones I've looked at - don't use any math to back anything up. With fusion power it's rather easy to quantitatively demonstrate what the problems are. As far as hot air ballons etc. are concerned, if one actually use the math and physics available back then, one would see that precisely the opposite conclusion has to be drawn. Fluid dynamics have been figured out long before heavier-than-air flight.

    • Yeah. I'm somewhat disappointed that shallow dismissive/mocking comments seem to outnumber more engaged comments by three to one. We are supposed to be geeks. How many of us have heard about this reactor? It was announced many months ago. How many of us have searched the term "high beta reactor"? This development is potentially world-changing. It would solve the world's energy problems. It would make human deep space travel feasible. And the announcement is coming from a credible scientist from a c

      • by Required Snark ( 1702878 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @10:21AM (#48150109)
        You're observation about Slashdot is correct. The attitude of a large fraction of posts is, for want of a better word, stupid.

        Teh Stupid is characterized by mindless criticism, nitpicking, absolutist rhetoric, and willful negation of facts. All of which are on display in the response to this thread.

        The aspect I find most disturbing is a clear anti-intellectualism. Comments are not based in fact or logic, but self centered illogic: if I say something is right/wrong, that all I have to say.

        As for the "agenda driven posters", I think the agenda is egomania. That would explain the obsessive negative attitudes. Being relentlessly negative is a way of asserting yourself if you don't have anything else to say.

        Is this getting worse? I'm not sure. I think I see more of it, but don't know if that is because I am more aware of it, rather then an real increase.

        At any rate, when I become annoyed enough, I respond with evidence oriented responses. I find references to uphold my position, and include quotes and links. Now someone may disagree with me, but at least I am not making assertions based solely on my individual position. I am generally disappointed because very few people respond with their own external references.

        In this case I don't feel the need quote very many examples, because the behavior in this thread is rather self evident.

        • I used to enjoy internet discussions - back in the early 90's when the bar to entry was at least a 105-110 IQ. Now that everyone can "discuss" it becomes obvious that the roughly 23-25% of humanity who are idiots have roughly 75% more time and willingness to post than anyone else which drives the bulk of the sensible posters away and it spirals downwards from there.

          The concept of free and open discussion is a failed concept. There need to be bars to entry in order to prevent the 25% from taking up 90% of
        • I think the egomania is getting worse, because the Slashdot audience has been steadily expanding for its entire existence. It's not necessarily a matter of what sort of people make up the community. It's probably more a matter of the size of the community and why people joined. When you join a small community, it's because you like what it has to offer and want to contribute. When you join a large community, it's because you like what it has to offer and want to enjoy the benefits. On Slashdot, the biggest
      • The observed jadedness might perhaps stem from failed promises of energy "too cheap to meter," ah, yes, here's James E. Akins writing in "Foreign Affairs" in the 1970s on that:

        "Having argued throughout this article that the oil crisis is a reality that compels urgent action, let me end on a note of hope. The current energy problem will not be a long one in human terms. By the end of the century oil will probably lose its predominance as a fuel. The measures we have the capacity to take to pro

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @09:00AM (#48149165)

    If this really works...really cool things could be just around the corner.

    From WIKI:

    The high beta fusion reactor (also known as the 4th generation prototype T4) is a project being developed by a team led by Charles Chase of Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works. The "high beta" configuration allows a compact fusion reactor design and speedier development timeline (5 years instead of 30). It was presented at the Google Solve for X forum on February 7, 2013.[1]

    "The device is 2x2x4 meters in size. It is cylindrical shaped. It has a vacuum inside with high magnetic fields, made using electromagnets. Uncharged deuterium gas is injected. It is heated using radio waves, in much the same way a microwave heats food. When the gas temperature reaches over 16 electron-volts, the gas ionizes into ions and electrons. This plasma exerts a pressure on the surrounding magnetic fields. This plasma pressure is counterbalanced by the magnetic field pressure in a beta ratio:

    \beta = \frac{p}{p_{mag}} = \frac{n k_B T}{(B^2/2\mu_0)} [2]

    The plan is to reach a high-beta ratio. Plans call for a compact 100 MW machine. The company hopes to have a prototype working by 2017, scale it up to a full production model by 2022 and to be able to meet global baseload energy demand by 2050. Here are some other characteristics of this machine:

    The magnetic field increases the farther out that the plasma goes, which pushes the plasma back in.
    It also has very few open field lines (very few paths for the plasma to leak out; uses a cylinder, not a Tokamak ring).
    Very good arch curvature of the field lines.
    The system has a beta of about 1.[3]
    This system uses deuterium.[3]
    The system heats the plasma using radio waves.[3]
    The machine was designed by Dr. Thomas McGuire[3] who did his PhD thesis[4][5] on fusors at MIT. Chase said that “the fuel (two isotopes of hydrogen) has six orders [1.000.000] of magnitude higher energy density than oil. You can’t make a bomb from it, and it has no meltdown risk. It’s very different from nuclear fission reactors.”

  • In four years of work, they've managed to break the "bigger is better" scaling law common to most fusion reactor designs as well as solve the wall material problems common to ALL fusion reactor designs?

    Well, that would be something. If only this article told us anything actually useful.

  • by AbrasiveCat ( 999190 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @09:13AM (#48149307)
    I think this AvWeek story http://aviationweek.com/techno... [aviationweek.com] is a better description, but then Aviation Week has more technical writers..
  • ... it's only 10 years away!
  • So they really did get the tech back in time. Not sure why they gave it to Lockheed, but whatever . . . .

    I hope they left the car too. That would be even bigger than Mr. Fusion !!
  • If they can build and test it within a year, why would it still take about 10 years to actually produce an operational one..
  • "We haven't finished inventing it yet, but when we do, it'll be awesome."

    XKCD seems to be pretty spot on here.
  • Better article (Score:4, Informative)

    by Dan East ( 318230 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @09:29AM (#48149487) Journal

    Here's a much better article, that not only can differentiate between fission and fusion, but also has purty pictures too.

    http://aviationweek.com/techno... [aviationweek.com]

  • by sirwired ( 27582 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @09:53AM (#48149771)

    If an operational prototype is still a decade away, I'm not holding my breath. I'm a little fuzzy how something can be "built and tested" within a year, but require a decade to produce an "operational reactor". How do you test something that doesn't work?

    That said, 100Mw in 70 sq. ft. would indeed be a world-saving device. One of the larger problems to solve with cheap/renewable energy production is getting the juice from the generating plant to the end-user; scaling up distribution grids is not a trivial problem. If every neighborhood substation could have their own reactor, that solves a LOT of issues. For instance, it makes high-powered electric vehicle charging stations viable on a mass scale. It could power desalination plants in remote areas cheaply. Additional power could be quickly brought online upon, say, building a power-hungry factory.

    A utility exec quoted in an article I read a while back said that even with "free" energy (meaning energy with zero fuel cost), that would only enable him to cut prices by about 40% due to capital costs for both generation and distribution. If you can lop much of the "distribution" off, that's a significant cost savings.

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