First Transistors Made Entirely of 2-D Materials 137
ckwu (2886397) writes "Two independent research groups report the first transistors built entirely of two-dimensional electronic materials, making the devices some of the thinnest yet. The transistors, just a few atoms thick and hence transparent, are smaller than their silicon-based counterparts, which would allow for a super-high density of pixels in flexible, next-generation displays. The research teams, one at Argonne National Laboratory and the other at the University of California, Berkeley, used materials such as tungsten diselenide, graphene, and boron nitride to make all three components of a transistor: a semiconductor, a set of electrodes, and an insulating layer. Electrons travel in the devices 70 to 100 times faster than in amorphous silicon. Such a high electron mobility means the transistors switch faster, which dictates a display's refresh rate and is necessary for high-quality video, especially 3-D video."
getting real sick of this (Score:5, Insightful)
First Transistors Made of Extremely Thin Materials
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Cross-posted w/ you, but yeah, agreed - headline fail, big-time. This doesn't even count the fact that the electrons passing through said transistor still occupy three dimensions as well.
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Electrons are actually considered points by physicists. If they do have a size it is not currently known.
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That does not mean they do not occupy three-dimensional space.
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2 dimension objects can occupy 3d space and still be 2 dimensional.
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Or something like that. I suck at particle physics.
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Well, string theory is closer to religion than actual science, so it's no wonder it's hard to understand.
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with 0 dimensions, hence points.
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Electrons are modeled as probability distributions over a given space. This is, at a minimum, 3 dimensions and a dimension-like thing.
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The headline is not fail, your understand is.
I suggest you read Collective Behavior of Interwell Excitation in Double Quantum Wells by Larionov and Tomofev.
Also:
http://physics.ucsc.edu/~peter... [ucsc.edu]
YOU should also be aware the electrons are Zero(0) dimension objects.
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Holy s***. I just spent an hour typing out a response to you, and I changed my slashdot editing options and it lost my response after saving!. I'll retype it later after my wife uses the computer.
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I'm going to make this shorter than last time since it's now late (lost by accident) - but here goes:
Silicon has 4 of its 8 outer band electron states filled, ([Ne]+3s2+3p2) which hybridize into 4 sp3 orbinals in a Si crystal. If you start with a single Si atom, it has discrete energy levels away from its nucleus (aka orbitals). If you bring another Si atom (which has exactly the same energy states) closer and closer, eventually these energy states interact and split (i.e. when the covalent bond is form
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Now this is almost off the front page. Hopefully someone reads it and learns something, haha.
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Yes, it does. It means specifically that in this context. Please move beyond high school physics, kthxbye.
Let me know when you understand this:
http://physics.ucsc.edu/~peter... [ucsc.edu]
then we will talk.
Re: getting real sick of this (Score:5, Informative)
Not the Cartesian thickness, the 2D refers to the absence of a degree of freedom: If the electrons are constrained to have no motion possible along the radial axis, that axis is considered removed from their freedom. Hence, 2D transistors
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Thing is, the electrons are still able to move in 3-dimensional space, since they orbit the nucleus, and that orbital plane can be in any direction.
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since they orbit the nucleus
No, they don't do that.
Electrons exist as standing waves when coupled within an atom.
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Physics troll
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An orbiting wave.
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Not informative at all... (Score:1)
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Well, I work with semiconductors, and we absolutely use D for degree of electron motion.
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I originally thought this meant a type of transistor that did not use layers. Hoever it turns out this isn't true either, there are several layers to these transistors. Very thin layers of course, but there is a definite third axis that is vital to the operation.
It's a materials science term (Score:2)
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Yeah and I would entertain that use of the term if this were only one atom thick, but it's not.
A definition from folks who study these materials (Score:5, Informative)
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As a computer programmer, this sounds fine to me.
The properties of a single object (in this case, the position of any single atom) can be described with only two variables. Thus it's two-dimensional.
Under this definition, I'm even okay with having several distinct layers, as long as they're all one atom thick. Effectively the material type then becomes the third dimension, but I'm willing to overlook that.
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Except that this uses 4 layers of these thin atomic structures (including substrate), and one of these thin layers is 3 atoms thick already. So 5 atoms thick plus a really chunky substrate underneath it.
The transistors aren't 2-D, the materials that mak (Score:2)
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Maybe have a big sign at the top, "Pedants this way ->"
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So it's not an issue of word choice, it's an issue of a COMPLETELY scientifically incorrect title written by either a moron or a social engineer to grab views, which is ruining slashdot. The complaints are actually double on topic then, aren't they? The
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What percentage of the discussion on Slashdot goes down in flames over semantic quibbles having nothing to do with the substance of the issue at hand?
FTFY.
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KInd of a stupid thing to say. I suggest you investigate what a physicist means by two dimensional. Such as in "surface phenomena". Essential this means that the physics of 2D QFT and 2D statistical mechanics apply to what is happening on these semiconductors.
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Re: getting real sick of this (Score:4, Funny)
The pedants are not actually "on" slashdot. Nobody is "on" slashdot. In fact it is hard to define what "on" even means in this context. What a silly person you are, to use words that suggest otherwise.
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The pedants are not actually "on" slashdot...
The pedants ARE Slashdot! :)
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Do you complain to magazine/newspaper editors that their headline puns aren't exactly the most appropriate ones?
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Do you complain to magazine/newspaper editors that their headline puns aren't exactly the most appropriate ones?
I do. I also send a rant off to Cisco every time I see a new Cisco commercial on TV.
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I get high reading funny comments of people bitching at each other.
Believe me, I'm on Slashdot right now.
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Flatland 2: Sphereland starring Martin Sheen and Kristen Bell.
snrk.
look it up yourself if you think I'm lying.
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Flatland 2: Sphereland starring Martin Sheen and Kristen Bell.
snrk. look it up yourself if you think I'm lying.
Saving my money for "Flatland 3 : Tesseractland".
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An entirely different meaning for "the goggles - they do nothing"
Two-Dimensional My Ass... (Score:1, Insightful)
"The transistors, just a few atoms thick and hence transparent,"
Sorry, but "a few atoms thick" still gives it all three axes in Cartesian space, no matter how small any given axis may be. Hell, even "one atom thick" qualifies as three-dimensional.
Pedant Headline Fail, eh?
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Pedant Headline Fail, eh?
Just keepin' 'em honest - if they can do some kind of quantum tunneling of electrons, I'd be willing to forgive the deBroglie height of their waves and call it 2D, if there's to be any useful application of such a term within our view of the universe.
Re: Two-Dimensional My Ass... (Score:2)
shadows are 2D.
then again, shadows aren't objects
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It depends. There are regimes where the transport can be considered 2D (ie. the density of states function is characteristic of a 2D system).
It is not always simply the dimensionality of the physical device that is relevant.
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"The transistors, just a few atoms thick and hence transparent,"
Sorry, but "a few atoms thick" still gives it all three axes in Cartesian space, no matter how small any given axis may be. Hell, even "one atom thick" qualifies as three-dimensional.
Pedant Headline Fail, eh?
Although the whole thing is a few atoms thick, each individual material is only one atom thick. It is a few atoms thick because it consists of 3 different materials, each layer of which is 1 atom thick. Click on the article and there's a pretty picture at the top for you. While I dislike the term 2-D (why can't they just call it one atom thick?) because a single atom obviously has thickness, as far as electrons are concerned there are only 2 dimensions that matter. The term relates to electron transport
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An atom is not 2-d. 3 layers of atoms can not possibly be 2-d.
An atom is composed of sub-atomic particles which are also NOT 2-d.
2-d, in our universe, does not exist, its a virtual concept used to describe other abstract things.
They (nor you) get to redefine it to mean something different to suit your sensationalizing agenda.
Using improper terms brings doubt to the whole paper and everything it says. We use specific meanings of words so that we understand the meaning, if you use your own meaning for thing
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The dimensionality of the object can be higher than the degrees of freedom. For reference by analogy, see gimbals, which allow representation of arbitrary axes in n-dimensions, but are subject to gimbal lock, where a change in one axis may be represented by a substitution of a change in another axis, eliminating a degree of freedom (not to be confused with dimension).
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Nope.
So may physics ignorant people on slashdot.
uhg.
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ah, the materials are 2-d, not the devices (Score:1)
I am impressed, but I was hoping to be stunned.
To all who say it's not two-dimensional (Score:3, Informative)
adjective
having or appearing to have length and breadth but no depth.
According some of the definitions of two-dimensional that I am reading here, there is no such thing as two-dimensional outside of a few popular thought experiments in theoretical physics.
appearing to have - This is why it is not incorrect to call a sheet of paper two-dimensional.
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But a piece of paper appears to have three dimensions.
Even when you look at it edge-on.
So it is still totally incorrect to call a piece of paper two-dimensional.
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No, he's not, not even a little. You said it yourself, there is no such thing as 2-d in our universe outside of thought experiments.
That doesn't mean you get to redefine it so that it magically does exist in our universe.
Language only works because we understand the meaning of the words being used, when you randomly redefine them to suit your own personal agenda the whole thing breaks down.
If they can't even use the proper terms, it makes the whole paper suspect.
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Two Dimensional refers to objects or pictures that lack the expected range or depth.
Lacking the expected range or depth; not designed to give an illusion or depth
So when you refer to something like a piece of paper as being three-dim
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I am trying to figure out if someone did give me their resume on a MÃbius strip, if I should hire him for his creativity, or decline him, because he will nitpick on every little technicality. And probably not be a team player.
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Nah, they just wanted you to wad your application up into a ball before giving it to them.
(It saves time when filling it in the circular file, don't ya know!)
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That's just crazy, creating paper spheroids to throw into a cylindrical object? This is the fault of the paper and waste basket manufacturers who should all use a single standard form factor to maximize rubbish density.
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Damn it. "Filing," not "filling."
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Why try to explain actual engineering to a bunch of typists?
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http://physics.ucsc.edu/~peter... [ucsc.edu]
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The transistors as described only work because of the 3 dimensional properties of having layers. There are indeed transistors that are two dimensional in the sense that no wire or layer needs to cross another wire or layer, but that's not true in this case. What they've done is take somewhat normal transistors and made them really really thin with new materials (two of the three layers are only one atom thick). So building a circuit from such material would require applying layers in certain patterns. T
Hmm (Score:1)
The rise of the disposable video newspaper, and what I really want video wall paper.
2d or not 2d, that is what you question (Score:2, Insightful)
Of course, you could never discern that thickness without some highly specialized super sensitive devices.
Then there's the whole effective or design thing going on there. That map you look at when you get lost, it's considered 2d. Not because the ink and paper is composed of atoms and are actually 3d, but rather because the information and design of it's display is only on 2 dimensions. Ever see a 3 dim
Refresh rate limited by electron mobility? (Score:2)
I understand that high framerates at many megapixels can be computationally expensive, but I wouldn't call that refresh rate. Are talking display tech or graphics card tech here?
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They are comparing against transistors made directly on the amorphous silicon of the display, which are really shitty but transparent..
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I knew this day would come (Score:1)
Dear Earth,
Due to budget cuts related to the long and intense war with Satan, I am canceling one of the spacial dimensions. Thus, please re-engineer your technology for 2D instead of 3D.
My apologies for any inconveniences this may cause, but we must all make sacrifices to win this difficult war.
Sincerely,
-God
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I did. However, I haven't yet told anybody about it except a few guys in robes at the airport. I hope their signs get the word out. -G
Gordon Moore's Law LIVES! (Score:1)
Lives I tell you!
Amorphous silicon?! (Score:2)
Electrons travel in the devices 70 to 100 times faster than in amorphous silicon.
It's a good thing that we make our transistors out of monocrystalline silicon then! Are you kidding me?! My grandmother can run down the corridor 100 faster than electrons in amorphous silicon.
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"make our transistors out of monocrystalline silicon"
Not the transistors on LCD displays, which are specifically referenced here.
The objective is to layer 2-d devices made with good materials over the display rather than making crappy devices directly on the amorphous silicon.
FFS (Score:2, Funny)
Shut up. All of you.
No they weren't!!! (Score:2)
I was like, "No they weren't - the first transistors were bulky as hell! [wikipedia.org]"
Yay (Score:1)
Cost cutting! (Score:1)
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So, lower energy consumption, faster clock rates, flexible electronics, nanoscale engineering, and you go for '3-D video' as your go to feature? What the hell is wrong with people?
You mean, aside our penchant for making nearly every technological innovation about porn?
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what do you mean 'nearly'?
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you ivory-tower physicists make me puke (Score:2)
I never saw a spherical cow,
and nobody'll ever see one;
But I can tell you, anyhow,
I'd rather see than be one
(being non-existant, and all...)
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