A Playstation 4 Teardown 254
Dave Knott writes "Just over one week ahead of the launch of the Playstation 4, Wired has posted an article with a full teardown of Sony's new device. In an accompanying video Sony engineering director Yasuhiro Ootori dismantles the PS4 piece by piece, describing each component and showing just what is contained inside the sleek black box."
How nice of them! (Score:5, Funny)
That's super of them, to give the modders a head start like that!
Re:How nice of them! (Score:5, Funny)
I didn't see the rootkit. Whare's that hiding?
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I didn't see the rootkit. Whare's that hiding?
Ah well, they have to keep some mystery in the relationship after all...
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The controllers rock! (Score:5, Informative)
The PS4 controller, AKA the dualshock4, is a pretty impressive little device. Trackpad, motion, control, speaker, headset, analog sticks, bunch of buttons.
And it will connect to any device via bluetooth or USB because it shows up as a Generic HID device on both! You can pair it with your PC, phone or tablet via bluetooth or connect it to anything that supports USB.
Right now just the basic stuff is supported. Both analog sticks and all buttons (Including the tackpad click). The big triggers register a button press, and register analog on a seperate input too. Hell, even the tilt/motion control shows up as an analog input.
I'm fairly certain, like with the wiimote, an improved driver will be developed to access the special functions like the track pad and audio interfaces.
I don't plan on getting the PS4 but I already have a dualshock 4 (You can buy them now at gamestop) and I'm toying with it on lots of things. Already use it as a controller on my tablet for playing emulators and it works better than anything else I've tried by far.
I think it's amazing Sony did this (Score:5, Insightful)
Nice marketing coup, too (Score:5, Insightful)
A high-quality and detailed teardown of their own product? I think that's freaking awesome. And smart too - they know the success of the PS4 will depend on the early adopter, hard-core gamer, the type of person who has likely put together a home-grown PC gaming system and who would get excited about exactly this type of video. Well done Sony.
A detailed teardown was inevitable from someone - probably Ars Technica, for example. And that teardown comes with a review of Sony's architecture and decisions, and the review may not necessarily be entirely favorable. However, this way, the first teardown is accompanied by glowing descriptions of the hardware. Anything later is an also-ran, by definition, and will draw less eyeballs than it would have if it was first. The widest seen review now will be their own. More companies should do this.
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Well, I was only reading the english subtitles, not the japanese, but it seemed like a very matter-of-fact teardown by their cheif engineer, not a marketing shill. If anything, they're showing off how unexotic and unremarkable the hardware is. Compared to this the first generation PS3 was a beast, with a radically new CPU architecture that burned so much power they had to make the top of the case transparent to infrared.
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Ars? Maybe but really do you not know the place for teardowns?
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/ [ifixit.com]
And as to JoeyRox's idea that this was a detailed teardown...no. No it was not. It was a fluff piece for people who don't know anything about computer hardware.
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the success of the PS4 will depend on the early adopter, hard-core gamer, the type of person who has likely put together a home-grown PC gaming system
Do you think a member of the PC Master Race [reddit.com] would become such a peasant?
Note: I'm a former master race member who went to consoles, but not for the specs. I wanted the social interaction of multiplayer gaming on the same screen & couch, or with my friends that were console peasants as well.
If I were going to drool over specs, I'd go back to building my own rig.
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This is why I am looking forward to the steambox.
I don't really play multiplayer, but sometimes it might be nice to play those games from the couch. I magically manage to both play PC games and PS3 games.
Where... (Score:2, Insightful)
Where is the 'we will screw you later on' module?
Every sony product has one..
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Japanese has a phrase "Sony timer", pretty much pronounced that way, to described electronic gear that break the day the warranty runs out. Sony was so bad at this that their name has become the catchphrase for low quality now.
But everyone agreed the PS3 was the one thing where they left the sonytimer out (because they want to sell games).
This is pretty cool (Score:2)
can it run linux? (Score:2, Insightful)
can it run linux?
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It could but it wont. At least not without some kind of crazy workaround that will make it not worth the effort.
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Sure it can! But so can the PS3, and yet...
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Well, it is running FreeBSD, so getting Linux to run, once you get past the keys, should be easy.
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Probably not, it does run a BSD variant though.
XBox One, PS4 or Wii U? (Score:3)
PS4 will have FF XIV, nothing interesting except Halo reruns for Xbox and no Metroid announced for Wii U.
PS4 wins.
Re:XBox One, PS4 or Wii U? (Score:5, Insightful)
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So true. I haven't seen anything to like on new FF titles since FFX. And X wasn't a good game by any means, it just had a cool world and a somewhat cool twist to the story. Characters, combat, dungeons, exploration all sucked, and terrible voice actors were there to cripple your enjoyment at every corner. The last FF I'd actually replay is 9.
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Ahh that brings back fond memories of FF13, the finest hallway simulator ever made. And it also taught me a valuable lesson, video game reviews are absolutely worthless. It has a metacritic score of 83 while most reviews admit that you have to wait 20 hours to get to the part that isn't a long corridor. Yep 20 hours of pushing up on the control stick, mashing 'A' randomly when a random encounter is hit and hearing that great banter between the characters which is like a conversation between Jar Jar Binks
I was a good 360 customer. (Score:3, Interesting)
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Anyone who didn't add one of the inexpensive 3rd party cooling solutions might as well have put their 360 in the oven. Once we knew there was a problem, it was easily solved by the end-user.
Yes, we shouldn't have had to do that, but it did solve the problem easily. Shame on MS for your first failure, but the rest were your own fault if you
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Stickers on the back (Score:3, Informative)
He makes a comment about how the stickers are there on the back screws to discourage people opening it up and then he goes on to say you can replace the HD with any standard drive.
Seems they thought of what would happen if people tried to sell their PS4 on the used market. It would be easy/easier for the buyer to tell if the unit had been opened up while still allowing for people to upgrade their systems.
It's not like they dropped some security torx screws in this or other odd screws like others do (Apple).
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The harddrive is accessed from the side with a simple pop open access panel and a single screw holding the drive's bracket in place. He was doing a tear down. You do not do that to swap in another 2.5" drive!
The PS3 also has stickers over casing screws. It's obvious if it's been opened (YLOD repair).
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You can replace the harddrive without opening the console, just like on the PS3.
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They all have those warranty void stickers. The PS3 has it on the bottom, and some unscrupulous types r
Progress!? Who needs it? (Score:2)
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Yeah, because your old PS2 and 3 suddenly stop working with the 4 comes out.
And used PS3s simply disappear off the face of the earth!
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I have 2 PS3s in my house, we have a huge libary of games for the PS3. I was a buyer day 1 with a 60GB unit that was backwards PS2 hardware compatible.
I would have bought a pair of PS4s on launch day if they had PS3 hardware inside of them, even if they cost $599 each.
Sony, pay attention... Some of us have money to spend, we don't mind... but what we do mind is having a bunch of boxes in front of our TVs. I will have a single console in front of my TV, not 2, not 3, just 1... I
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3 folks in my office already have them preordered. My boss took a day off to collect his and play it.
I am debating this or a steambox.
$400 is not exactly a fortune.
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This is the first time they have released a console that uses the same optical format as its predecessor
Yeah, and the last time, they had to put a PS2 chip on the mainboard just to do it--adding to the cost and footprint of the PS3 to do it (part of the reason it was $600 at launch). This time they're going for something a little more affordable, and so they weren't about to slap on an entire PS3 chipset on there just so a handful of nitpickers could play their old PS3 games without needing another HDMI port.
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This is the first time they have released a console that uses the same optical format as its predecessor - yet it can't play the software written for said predecsessor.
Because it's the optical drive, not the core architecture of the CPU that matters here. Why not bring up the fact that they also use the same power cord?
HD is replaceable (Score:3)
Still on the fence... (Score:2)
I like that Sony provided the teardown. It shows a certain amount of openess and I get the sense that the engineers that designed it want us to see it in all its glory.
But then I see other things [theregister.co.uk] pop up, like having to download an update and register the device before I can play Blu-ray discs, that it won't play MP3s or CDs, that it won't stream video content from my computer. All of this reeks of a lame attempt to force PS4 owners into subscribing to Sony's Music Unlimited and Video Unlimited by placing ar
Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure, people who don't care any like the games...
But surely Sony have left a bad taste in many peoples mouths, with removing promised features, poor security after getting hacked several times, DRM rootkits, propriety crap instead of standards...
It feels weird to say it, but XBOX is clearly the better platform here.
Paid shill anyone? Did you forget the Eye of Sauron on the Xbox One? Did you forget how Microsoft initially was not going to allow resale of games? How much does Microsoft pay you? The XBox 360 had a proprietary HD while the PS3 had a standard HD that was end user replaceable.
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Did you notice Sony will only let you watch streamed Video and Music sold to you by them?
No DLNA support
No USB support
No using a PS4 for home media
I've been called a paid Sony Shill on these forums, and I'm now saying that the XBox is the best all-round device for the next generation.
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Did you notice Sony will only let you watch streamed Video and Music sold to you by them? No DLNA support No USB support No using a PS4 for home media
I've been called a paid Sony Shill on these forums, and I'm now saying that the XBox is the best all-round device for the next generation.
I used PS3 for streaming over DLNA. Now I use a dedicated tool that gives me actual freedom. I bought the PS3 because of those possibilities, that is true, but now that I used it, I would hope the PS4 is just really good at games. Sony-non-gaming only wants cinavia and other crap to add on those things.
As to the PS4, as all these things are essentially just software, I'm personally convinced they will add them eventually, after trying an itunes approach or collaboration with a specific provider per countr
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As to the PS4, as all these things are essentially just software, I'm personally convinced they will add them eventually, after trying an itunes approach or collaboration with a specific provider per country via an app. If those fail, they will/can add them.
So you are anticipating the company that took away a highly touted software feature (the "Other OS" feature) via a required system update (as in required if you ever wanted to play another game on your system) is going to add new capabilities to the PS4 that they went to special effort to prevent upon launch?
On a completely unrelated note, I have this really great bridge that I need to sell for a bargain basement price. Are you interested?
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So you are anticipating the company that took away a highly touted software feature (the "Other OS" feature) via a required system update (as in required if you ever wanted to play another game on your system) is going to add new capabilities to the PS4 that they went to special effort to prevent upon launch?
On a completely unrelated note, I have this really great bridge that I need to sell for a bargain basement price. Are you interested?
Nowhere did I say I would buy the PS4, so no, not interested in your bridge either. I might buy it though begin 2016 or so. I understand this might be hard for you, but try to put yourself in the mind of Sony. Who is using DLNA? Is Sony, apart from selling the PS4, earning money with that? Would it have much impact on selling the PS4? Can we make deals with netflix, local cable companies, ...., to offer movies for rent? Can our televisions not do DLNA directly? Hey, yeah, who knew, our televesions do that h [sony.co.uk]
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the XBox is the best all-round device for the next generation.
What?? You can't play any 360 games on it, requires microsoft servers to run many of the games, it won't work without a Kinect plugged in and you have to let it phone home at least once a day. What's more you HAVE to have an xbox live gold SUBSCRIPTION to use it (can you say Maintenance agreeement anybody?) and the 500G hard drive inside is proprietary -- plus it costs $100 bucks more than PS4. You're high dude. Nobody wants that. Nobody except the Halo junkies.
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Actually, older PS3's didn't require anything but the new drive. AFAIK It was only starting with the slim models that you had to buy the bracket too.
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. It had a proprietary HD enclosure, which could be bought on ebay for a small amount then the end user could supply their own drive.
"Fat" PS3's don't have the "enclosure", and with the slims, you can just take the enclosure off the old drive.
Other than that, Standard SATA.
PS2 HDD's on the other hand are "blessed", you need a "blessed" HDD if you want to use it with softare that supports the HDD. That doesn't apply to PS2 Linux though, you can use any PATA drive with that.
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I think he meant 360, which requires a special MS blessed firmware. I believe they are/were banning people who managed to use non-approved drives.
Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (Score:5, Interesting)
That's not true. The drives also had a digital signature on them to make them work with the 360. No signature and the drive wouldn't work. The signature was tied to the drive capacity, serial number and model number.
People hacked around this by putting custom firmware on drives that gave it the serial number and model number of another drive. You then could copy the digital signature from that drive and get as much storage as that signature allowed. So, for example, if you copied the signature from a 60GB drive you got 60GB of storage even if you have a 200GB drive.
So no, it wasn't just a proprietary enclosure. And the process of duplicating that signature violated the DMCA. Hacking/duplicating firmware probably did too.
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Sony kept their plans to fuck the consumer hidden until they executed them.
Microsoft laid out their plans to fuck the consumer right from the very start.
I'm not sure I understand how that makes MS better than Sony? If you believe that a "reversal" today means they've changed their long term plans for the console's ecosystem at the drop of a had... well I've got a bridge to sell ya.
I'll let you in on a little tip. Just like with political parties, thinking one side is completely full of self-serving shit doe
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I find it easy to believe MS claims of repentance this year: they're doing a huge re-org, and didn't they actually fire the guy in charge of Xbox when they changed?
We'll see what happens next year, of course.
Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (Score:5, Funny)
I'll let you in on a little tip.
Just the tip?
Because I'm pretty sure I know how that game ends ...
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Which is why the superior gaming platform is the PC! Oh wait, it's Windows is made by Microsoft and you can run Sony games on it, so maybe it's the worst? Ok, I'm voting for Milton Bradley! Anything but a console!
Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (Score:4, Interesting)
Which is why the superior gaming platform is the PC! Oh wait, it's Windows is made by Microsoft
Who needs Windows when you have SteamOS?
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Not every single thing they make is universally reviled and hated. Someone can have a positive thing to say about MS without being paid to say it.
I've just started learning C# and kinda like it so far.
Does that count?
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clearly? in what clear way? neither of the systems have announced must have titles, so there...
but you should really remember that practically all of first year xbox360's are by now _broken_ by shit manufacturing+design. that's like removing _all_ features.
but yeah have fun with your metroxbox... that totally doesn't send everything you say to ms for analysis.. only the things you meant for it to search ;D
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I love the smell of conspiracy theories in the morning!
Unlike Microsoft who DEMANDS money for net connect (Score:5, Informative)
I still cannot believe that in order to run streaming apps like Netflix or Hulu I have to purchase xbox live just to get the ethernet adapter to work. 50 bucks a year to turn on the ethernet adapter seems a little pricey.
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I use the Ethernet adapter without paying MS a dime more than the one off cost of the xbox360 itself - I just use local dlna servers...
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still cannot believe that in order to run streaming apps like Netflix or Hulu I have to purchase xbox live just to get the ethernet adapter to work.
That does seem hard to believe. Are you sure you'll need Xbox live gold, not the free version, for this? I need an Xbox live account to play a few of my PC games, and I definitely never paid for it!
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Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (Score:5, Insightful)
But surely Sony have left a bad taste in many peoples mouths,
OK, I'll address these points one by one.
with removing promised features
I'll give you this one. Although I'm surprised IBM didn't push them to not include Linux support in the first place since they sold higher-end Cell systems.
poor security after getting hacked several times
That's still better than Microsoft whose response to Xbox Live hacks is to pretend they're not happening [mygaming.co.za].
Oh, and due to your next argument, you also tacitly gave me permission to bring up that Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Internet Explorer are responsible for some of the largest security holes in computing ever.
DRM rootkits,
Sony is actually a number of different divisions operating under a single name. In this case, the rootkit was from Sony Music Entertainment and Phillips actually make Sony Music Entertainment stop using the CD designation for discs that had said DRM on it.
propriety crap instead of standards...
I can't tell if you're talking about all of Sony or just Sony Computer Entertainment.
If you're talking about all of Sony, I'm going to remind you that they were involved in the creation of:
* The cassette tape
* The 3.5" diskette
* CDs
* Blu-Ray
all of which were standards at one time or another. (Note: DVDs also used the error correcting technology from CDs, but Sony was not involved other than that)
For just the PS3:
The PS3's main processor is proprietary... but so was the Xbox 360 CPU (unless you thought a triple-core Power PC was a standard component...), the Wii CPU..., and the WiiU CPU while we're at it.
Having said that, the PS3 uses the following standards:
1. 802.11b/g built in to all models. The Xbox 360 originally went with wired networking only and required a $100 addon for WiFi support. It wasn't until the "S" models that they included it in the base system.
2. Standard 2.5" (aka laptop) SATA hard drive bay. The Xbox 360 uses hard drives with custom firmware instead.
3. Bluetooth 2.0 for wireless controllers and peripherals. The Xbox 360 uses custom 2.4GHz RF instead.
Note: I'm intentionally not listing technologies that both systems supported such as USB or video outputs.
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I love this kind of fanboyism. My platform isn't quite as shitty as yours. Great.
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I love this kind of fanboyism. My platform isn't quite as shitty as yours. Great.
It's like politics and religion.
You are missing the point. (Score:2)
You missed the point, it is not a case of "My platform isn't quite as shitty as yours." this time around.
That said we have reached a state of meta-fanboi-ism, the new argument is, "The platform I don't have and have no real clue about isn't quite as shitty as the platform you don't have and have no real clue about." And for the record, yes this is yet another internet derived regresion of the human species.
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Yes, let's more than double the price by including a 500GB SSD.
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Why an SSD?
A 2TB laptop drive can be had for very cheap.
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Which gets you back to the "spinning disc" the OP was complaining about.
If you want non-spinning, it's SSD.
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I thought he meant the blu-ray.
Which has terrible seek times compared to spinning magnetic disk.
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Hmmm, possibly that, since it can also function as a BluRay player ... at which point how you'd escape the spinning disc thing is a mystery to me.
And I'm also assuming (possibly incorrectly) the PS4 will have the same ability as the XBox 360 to install to the HD and then use only the disc to confirm you're allowed to run it.
Re:PR crapapalooza (Score:4, Funny)
Hmmm, possibly that, since it can also function as a BluRay player ... at which point how you'd escape the spinning disc thing is a mystery to me.
Clearly, he wants the disc to remain stationary while the console scans it linearly like an ultra high resolution flatbed scanner.
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Or, even more awesome ... the disc stays still while the console spins around.
Probably more efficient to spin the disc though.
Re:PR crapapalooza (Score:4, Funny)
I've got it!
We spin the disc clockwise...
And then spin the console counter-clockwise!
Just think of the throughput! That laser will be moving across the disc so fast, Sony will have to build hardware that works with 0's and 1/2's instead of 0's and 1's!
Obvious troll is obvious (Score:2)
People who don't want to wait several hours to download an 8+ GB game?
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As opposed to taking just as long to go to the store to buy it?
I rather have the media, but honestly disks suck. The seek times are horrible.
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I totally agree, but without the disks one day I won't be able to play those games. They will eventually turn off the DRM licensing servers and that will be it.
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It does not. Once I get to the store, buy the game and get home again that is probably 1 hour. In that time I can download an 8GB game.
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I'm not sure where 8GB was pulled from, but remember that a full dual-layer BD-ROM is 50GB, not 8GB. And there is at least one PS3 game that took the entire disk: Metal Gear Solid 4. Plus, the system likely only has 1 HDD bay in it. So the default 500GB HDD, ignoring the size of the OS, only has space for 10 dual-layer BD-ROMs.
In other words, there are other reasons to use discs than just download time.
(And yes, I'm aware you can presumably swap the HDD out for any 2.5" HDD(/SDD?) like you could the PS3.
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Only if you were already going into that store, and buying something already.
That happens pretty infrequently to me. I would be way more likely to order it from amazon and wait two days. Shopping sucks.
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I miss the tactile feel of the game, the blowing out the dust so it kinda works if you hold it in when it starts.
If I remember correctly, wiggling the Adventure cartridge in the old Atari game console could give you a substantially different map. Probably because it corrupted some RAM somewhere.
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Not everyone has fiber (Score:2)
I see peak sustained downloads of about 800KB/sec on my cable. Sure, it sucks, but we're well away from the central drop.
So, that's 10,000 seconds, or about 2 hours and 45 minutes, to download 8,000 MB.
Of course, that's peak. If anyone else in the house is using Netflix, or if I'm downloading anything else, it'll be slower. And 8GB is about the average of games on Blu-Ray today, for the PS3. For the PS4, they're liable to be substantially larger. Especially since
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That is pretty much pathetic in 2013.
My work issued 4g wifi access point beats that. Mind you that has a 30GB a month limit, but my uncapped FIOS plan makes even the 4g access point look sad.
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No why?
Hmm, kebabs do sound good though.
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My DSL is half that speed. 3 Mbits down, 4 with a tailwind, so ~350 MB/sec is normal. Beats giving money to a cable company.
do you really want to download 25-50GB games? (Score:2)
do you really want to download 25-50GB games?
even if you have a fast and cap free ISP you still need some where to store them and big SDD's cost a lot.
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Why store them on SSDs?
The thing ships with a hard drive and 2TB laptop drives are cheap.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236348 [newegg.com]
$179, which I consider pretty cheap for such drive.
Sure its 15mm but there are laptops that will take them.
You can get 1.5GB on a freaking microsd card.
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Personally, I want cartridges back. Given current tech they'd actually be superior to discs in many ways and it would be significantly harder to pirate the games. Wait, i dont want cartridges, never mind.
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A spinning disc, in 2013? Who's the target market
People who don't have the bandwidth to download 25-50GB games?
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PC is the fourth console (Score:2)
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I'm astonished that neither one did the obvious lock-in tactic of backwards compatibility.
You do realize that they're based around completely different hardware?
I'd guess that emulating the old hardware on what is effectively a low-end PC would not be easy. Even PS2 emulators were struggling on PCs until hardware caught up a few years ago.
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"you just need to emulate three relatively slow PPC cores"
That "slow" Xbox 360 CPU was a 3 core hyper threaded 3.6Ghz CPU.... I am not sure slow is exactly the word I would use to describe it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_(processor) [wikipedia.org]