Odd Laptop-Tablet Hybrids Show PC Makers' Panic 251
jfruh writes "Taipei's Computex trade show has seen an array of strange devices on sale that are somewhere between PCs and tablets: laptops with screens you can twist in every direction, tablets with detachable keyboards, all-in-one PCs with detachable monitors. Some have Intel chips, some ARM chips; some run Windows 8, some Android. They all exist because of the cheap components now available, and because Windows 8 will make touch interfaces possible — but mostly they exist because PC makes are starting to freak out about being left behind by the tablet revolution."
WTF? (Score:5, Informative)
My cousin has had an HP that did this before the iPad was a thing. It runs WinXP for Tablets.
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This is slashdot. In this fantasy world, Apple innovates and everyone else imitates.
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Well to set the record straight:
- Apple wasn't the first to develop a multimedia computer (music-quality sound and full-screen video).
- Apple wasn't the first to develop preemptive multitasking for home computers.
- Apple wasn't the first to develop MP3 players.
- Or tablets.
- Or smartphones.
- Though they were the first with laptops (I'll give them credit for that).
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They were the first company with the latop as you know it. (Apple is responsible for a whole lot of 'as you know it's, not technical firsts)
There were lots of portable computers but nothing like the old 100. It was the first computer that was a true analog to it's desktop counterpart in the now familiar truely portable clamshell formfactor. It had the same performance as a destkop mac. Used the same media. Used the same software. Same operating system. You could even plug in the same ADB and SCSI peripherals. Macs at the time were already impressive, and to have a no-compromise portable was downright mindblowing.
All of the other portables at the time were significant compromises in one area or another. Many had no nonvolital storage. Many used a paired down OS or software implementation. Many were just plain big and heavy. The first mac laptop had everything, and it shook up the industry. That debut presentation where he simply pulled it out of a laser printer paper tray set the audience on fire for a reason.
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There were lots of portable computers but nothing like the old 100. It was the first computer that was a true analog to it's desktop counterpart in the now familiar truely portable clamshell formfactor.
Data General One. [wikipedia.org] 1984 (predating Macintosh Portable by 5 years and Powerbook 100 by 7). Precisely equivalent to many desktop systems of the time (IBM PC/XT standard: MS-DOS, Intel 8088 processor, floppy boot) except portable, battery-powered, and clamshell laptop format.
Sorry. The Powerbook 100 represents an incremental evolution of the laptop idea, but it's not really ground-breaking by any unbiased standard.
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Nope. The Powerbook 100 was introduced in late 1991. PC notebooks in the modern clamshell design were showing up as early as 1988. The one I remember best was a Sager [wikipedia.org] 286 model. I noticed they were local to me, so I dropped by their offices and requested to see one (it retailed for over $5k, I certainly couldn't afford to buy one at the time). They brought one out and I got to touch and play with it - a glimpse of what the future held. They were so proud of it, giving me a little spiel about how they were going to upgrade it with a 16 MHz 386SX processor [cpu-collection.de] in a few months. They insisted on calling it a notebook, to distinguish it from the clunky laptop computers like the old Compaq Portable and Osborne.
By 1990, the notebook form factor had gained enough traction that Intel announced the 386SL [krsaborio.net] - a low power version of the 80386 made specifically for laptops. They weren't able to churn them out until the following year [cpu-collection.de], but that should demonstrate that the notebook market was thriving long before Apple ever showed up to the game.
I'm starting to wear this phrase out, but: Just because the first time you saw something was on an Apple product, doesn't mean that they invented it. (To be fair, Apple's big contribution to the form factor was the trackball, then the trackpad. Before then, you had to plug in a mouse if you were going to use it outside of DOS. One laptop had a marble trackball off by the side. The Powerbook was the first with a huge trackball smack dab in the middle.)
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You are, of course, referring to the original Amiga 1000 which had music-quality sound, full-screen video, and preemptive multitasking in 1985.
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That's no laptop. Frankly, the idea of the IBM 5100 as a laptop is sustainable only in The Dozens: "Yo momma so fat her laptop's an IBM 5100!"
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But - I quote: "Windows 8 will make touch interfaces possible"
To summarize, the world has been waiting on Windows to enable us to have touch interfaces. So, what is this "Apple" to which you refer?
You mean like this Slashdot story from TUESDAY? (Score:2)
I've got the ARM version of the Transformer, and it's exactly that. A tablet, but you can plug it into a foldable keyboard dock that turns it into a netbook.
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http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/06/05/023231/asus-announces-x86-transformer [slashdot.org]
I've got the ARM version of the Transformer, and it's exactly that. A tablet, but you can plug it into a foldable keyboard dock that turns it into a netbook.
That looks nice and very close to what I see happening in the very near future. Rather than have a proprietary docking station that turns into a notebook with the "tablet" acting as the monitor, I want to plug my PHONE into a box that has outputs for USB (keyboard, mouse, external storage), network, and a real, honest to goodness monitor. You take your phone to work, plug it into this peripheral box that already has your monitor, keyboard, and mouse plugged into it, and your working. When you are on your
Re:You mean like this Slashdot story from TUESDAY? (Score:4, Informative)
Motorola atrix.
In concept it is cool in practice it is still under powered.
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I'm usually decent at this, but you got me here.
What is "BYOD" stand for in your context? Never heard that term before...
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If so, that doesn't make any sense to me...what is a "Bring Your Own Desktop iPad", since he said BYOD iPad in the OP....?
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First time I saw "BYOD" it meant "Bring Your Own Display" and was used in reference to desktop computers sold without a monitor in the late 90's (as opposed to the common package deal of a tower/desktop computer with keyboard, mouse and a 14-17" CRT monitor). Can't say I saw it used very often though.
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Yep, X220s are popular here (Score:2)
Some professors use them to lecture on. That way they can write notes on what they are showing. However it is a real laptop so it can do all the things a real computer can (like run Matlab in the case of where I work).
Is it for everyone? No certainly not. I have no interest, I just ordered a new laptop with no tablet abilities for me, and it isn't the kind of thing someone who wants something extremely thin, light, and cheap would want. However there's a market for it. Some people want a more powerful compu
A "Real computer" (Score:2)
it can do all the things a real computer can (like run Matlab in the case of where I work).
Well why not use an iPad [apple.com] for that?
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If you think Matlab mobile does the same thing as the real Matlab with toolboxes you've never used Matlab. Also with an X220 they can run multiple things at one, like say a screen capture program so the lecture can then by uploaded to Youtube. Also, what with being a normal Windows laptop it'll run any other software we happen to use in engineering (like Cadence, HFSS, ADS, and so on) so whatever they need to show, they can.
Oh and there's the fact that Windows integrates nicely in to being centrally managed
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Re:Yep, X220s are popular here (Score:4, Informative)
There's no single design for everyone.
Yes, this is the biggest reason Apple isn't a market share leader in most of its markets. They typically make one form factor and do it very well... and this appeals to a great many people. They do it with the iMac, the iPhone, and the iPad. But eventually manufacturers come in and fill in the gaps for people who don't prefer those form factors. For some reason, most tablets still look like the iPad, with the most notable exception being the Asus Transformer, one of the most popular Android tablets. I think as more tablets deviate from the iPad design, we'll see Apple's tablet market share shrink as others take advantage of the long tail.
I think it's also interesting to note that, in the one space where Apple does dominate, the MP3 player market, they have a variety of models in all shapes and sizes and colors, and at almost every price point. I think if they only ever released the original hard drive iPod, it's dominance would have been short-lived. I remember on year everyone bought up the iPod nano, because they wanted an iPod but didn't have $300. Were there no nano, they would have went with another mfgr for sure. For some reason Apple doesn't do this anymore. Maybe they feel ubiquity dilutes the brand?
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Microsoft needs to learn that the "no single design" also applies to different devices. Trying to do almost the same design across devices is a horrible, horrible idea. Trying to install the same OS version across devices makes perfect sense. MS got 1/2 of the concept correct.
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The "Feaking Out" is from the traditional PC people. The standard, Desktop CPU, Monitor, Key Board and Mouse. Is going out. So is the normal Clam-shell Laptop.
Performance isn't as big of a deal as it was 10/15 years ago.
1998 There was a huge difference if you had a 486 vs a P2. Or a system with 16 Megs of ram vs 32 megs.
Now in 2012 there is less of a difference between a Core 2 Duo and a Sandy Bridge Core i5, a System with 3gigs vs 8gigs.
Now it isn't that the new stuff isn't orders of magnitudes faster and better. But the stuff we use computers for doesn't fully utilize the hardware anymore.
We are preferring to say with slower computers and get systems that are smaller, longer battery, and overall just more portable. Because our needs for a computer isn't following Moors Law.
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The era of having one computer is gone. If you want to surf the web from your couch, use your tablet. If you want to work with an IDE, use your multi-monitor workstation.
Re:WTF? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, it was from the "Tablet PC" era, and devices lack that were a terrible failure. People already complain that the iPad is too heavy at a pound and a half, nobody wants a six pound tablet. Admittedly, one of the major failings of the Tablet PC is being addressed with the Win8 touch interface and app ecosystem.
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And, what might that be? All I see is yet another "me too" product from Microsoft.
What is Microsoft bringing to the table that Android, or Apple, or even RIM aren't doing?
All I've seen is the new fugly looking Metro interface, but nothing that suggests Microsoft is filling "one of the major failings of the tablet PC", other than a lack of offering from Microsoft.
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I hate the Metro interface, but even the most die-hard Microsoft hater has got to admit that Metro is a hell of a lot better for tablets than the standard Windows XP interface was.
The major failing of Tablet PC that I'm talking about is how their interface was horribly ill-suited for a tablet. At least they're doing a tablet-specific UI now.
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If they were only planning on putting it on tablets Win8 might actually be considered good, but they are also planning on putting it on the desktop where it has no business being there.
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Well - to be fair, Gnome, KDE, and Ubuntu are all trying to be Metro-sexual on the desktop as well. Hopefully, it's just a fad that will fade in a year or two.
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Well - to be fair, Gnome, KDE, and Ubuntu are all trying to be Metro-sexual on the desktop as well. Hopefully, it's just a fad that will fade in a year or two.
You are correct if you scratch KDE from the list. KDE is unique in that it does have an excellent mix of a tablet interface and the standard "Start Button" type of menu. Basically, you see the menus of the start menu as your desktop icons. You click "Graphics", and it opens the items you would see under the "Graphics" menu after clicking the K. It's works very well on my desktop and I see it working very well on tablets.
What makes KDE different is that I can go to another desktop where I have the standa
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'K - I'll agree that KDE might be the best of the mix, in that the menu is available, while the others work hard to hide the menu.
But, from my point of view, there is little to choose from between one set of icons or widgets, or another. Even my old "dumb phone" (actually, a pretty new "dumb phone") gives me some limited menu options. I simply don't WANT a bunch of icons filling my screen. As a guy with crap color vision, and poor vision in general, I've spent my life learning to read the English languag
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Also, add OSX, which seems to have iOS envy.
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Well, except for tablets running Windows, or something you've bodged Linux onto ... the interfaces on the HP, RIM, Apple, and Android tablets I've seen seem to be tablet specific.
This sounds more like "Microsoft finally has a tablet-specific UI", not that "nobody else has ever done a tablet with a proper UI".
Yes, if you take an interface designed
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Um, no, I'm talking about the Tablet PC initiative, which lasted from 2001 until around when the iPad came out and finally killed it off... Android and iOS didn't exist at the time.
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No idea what "The Tablet PC Initiative" is -- sounds like prog rock band or something.
I'm going to assume this was an attempt by Microsoft to innovate the future with a product they couldn't figure out how to sell to anybody? Like the Smart House or all the features in Longhorn which never happened?
If all they were trying to do was jam XP onto a touch screen, no wonder nobody bought them.
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No idea what "The Tablet PC Initiative" is -- sounds like prog rock band or something.
I'm going to assume this was an attempt by Microsoft to innovate the future with a product they couldn't figure out how to sell to anybody? Like the Smart House or all the features in Longhorn which never happened?
If all they were trying to do was jam XP onto a touch screen, no wonder nobody bought them.
That sounds all well and good, until you consider a few extra things. The first person I knew with a tablet had one in 2003; it was a Fujitsu Lifebook. As a result, "no wonder no one bought them" sounds right in 2012, but requires a bit of perspective...
In 2003, Wi-Fi was still relatively new at the consumer level. If you wanted cellular data, you would likely end up with a GPRS connection, or EDGE if you were lucky; it complimented Windows Pocket PC Edition, Palm Treos, and early Blackberry units pretty nicely. Capacitive touch wasn't practical at the consumer level; it was either resistive or the Wacom-on-glass system that they ended up using. iOS didn't exist yet (the second-gen iPod was just getting out of the gate; Apple was looking like they could afford to keep the lights on), broadband had only recently hit critical mass. ARM processors lived in devices running embedded operating systems; they were nowhere near powerful enough to run a general purpose OS. Atom didn't exist.
In *that* world, the primary market for tablets were people taking notes with a pen. For all its faults, Windows Tablet PC Edition did a pretty impressive job of recognizing handwriting, which was good because it was the primary reason to be a tablet. Meanwhile, text entry was still king, and 5 hours of battery life was a pretty reasonable amount of time to be using your tablet.
No one is claiming that the first generation of tablet PCs running Windows XP struck a chord with the general populous; they clearly did not. Their target demographic were students, medical professionals, and other people for whom OneNote was the killer app. There was no iOS, there was no Android, and desktop Linux was still getting its pants on regarding getting a decent desktop distribution out the door. Windows XP was just about the only thing that *could* work on the systems at hand, because Apple was just about the only company who was able to write an OS specifically for tablets and have people look at what they *could* do as opposed to what they *couldn't* do, and even that was highly based upon the fact that there were a few years' worth of iPhone OS builds behind it, during which people had built up some level of software library for that platform.
I might not be the biggest iOS fan in existence, but you'd be hard pressed to find me a company besides Apple that would have been capable of generating demand for a new computing form factor and a new OS for the paradigm at the same time. If Microsoft released WindowsRT back in 2004 and had capacitive touch and 802.11g and an App Store and an unlocked EDGE cellular modem and sold it at $499...it would have bombed then too because the immediate reaction would be "running Office 2003/Quickbooks/AutoCAD/$WINDOWS_SOFTWARE doesn't work!" or similar complaints regarding hitting 16x16 pixel toolbar icons with a finger and being productive.
It's not that people overlooked swivel tablets running XP because iOS was that much better, it's that the target demographic of people who would benefit from handwriting into their laptop was a very small market, and there was no Facebook, Angry Birds, or Netflix streaming to justify a tablet as a consumption device.
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>>>All I see is yet another "me too" product from Microsoft.
Microsoft has done that for its entire life. The only really brilliant move was to attach themselves to IBM and ride them as their PC became the defacto computer standard. Elsewhere Microsoft has copied other innovators (Apple, Commodore, Atari, etc)
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Microsoft in the 1990s might not have been an "innovator", but they had virtually flawless execution
Well, I suppose that's true if your definition of "flawless execution" is "products of questionable quality but excellent marketing and abuse of their dominant position on the market".
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If you count the billions in revenue, that might be a fair measure of "flawless execution".
Microsoft was getting paid when you bought a new PC even if you didn't want Windows. I'd call that pretty good from their perspective.
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>>>Windows 95 and NT/2000 ran the table and successfully murdered industry titans such as OS/2, NetWare, MacOS, and Sun Workstations as well as other minor competitors (Amiga, Linux-on-the-Desktop, etc).
Amiga was the 2nd-best-selling computer at the time. Not exactly "minor". And Microsoft didn't really "murder" anything..... it was the Compaq, Gateway, and other IBM PC clones that crushed the competition through sheer weight of sales (already 90% share by 1995). As I said before: Microsoft just
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What is Microsoft bringing to the table that Android, or Apple, or even RIM aren't doing?
One of the biggest things better multitasking... as in two windows running at once side by side. That's something you won't find on the iPad. Further, things like apps that work across tablet and desktop is another big one. Further better pen support. I've used a Windows 7 Tablet PC since it came out, and pen support is way beyond what Android has to offer. And since there will be x86 platforms you still have access to all the best apps and games and universal device compatibility, which is one of the biggest shortcomings of the iPad and Android tablets.
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I would add to that hardware that isn't some kind of throwback to the 90s.
How about something that can run Siri by itself and not be dependent on some compute server somewhere?
Tablets are cool and all but they achieve their lower price point because they are using inferior hardware. Hybrid tablet laptops have existed for a long time already. They have just been expensive machines consigned to business.
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Further, things like apps that work across tablet and desktop is another big one.
So either:
1. I'll need to use a virtual mouse and keyboard on the tablet.
Or
2. I'll need a touch screen on the desktop.
Why do you think that pushing the same applications on both is a good idea?
And since there will be x86 platforms you still have access to all the best apps and games and universal device compatibility, which is one of the biggest shortcomings of the iPad and Android tablets.
Running Word and Excel on a touchscreen tablet will be great!
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So either: 1. I'll need to use a virtual mouse and keyboard on the tablet. Or 2. I'll need a touch screen on the desktop.
You're missing the third option, that the same app works with both touch and mouse. For a large set of applications, there's no reason this can't be the case. Look at my current Windows 8 setup, calendar, mail, pictures, music, stocks, browser, a handful of games, organizer, reader... these all work fine with touch and keyboard+mouse. You just have to get used to two sets of inputs (which most people are now). For instance in touch mode I swipe to scroll, in mouse mode I roll the mouse ball. In mouse mode I
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When he said "Tablet PC" he did not mean tablet form-factor personal computer. (One of the various shitty things about Microsoft is that they use highly generic product names; they would sell something called "Computer(TM)" if they thought they'd get away with it.) He is not talking about addressing a fa
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Wow ... just wow.
Introducing, the Tablet PC, with new Operating System(tm), which provides Multitasking(tm,sm), Virtual Memory(c), Networking(tm), and Solitaire(sm). Now enabling you to Do Work(patent pending).
On behalf of those of us who spent years of our lives avoiding Microsoft like The Plague (tm), I had not fully realized the extent to which they use Stupid Product Names(tm,patent pending).
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Not all the tablets were (a) a terrible failure or (b) heavy. In fact the TC1100 was a bit over a kilo and very thin. In fact, it looked really rather like an iPad.
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It looks like they got the physical form factor closer than most, but it was still desktop WinXP with a stylus as the primary input. And it still weighed over three pounds, about the same as my pre-ultrabook portege. The iPad is already too heavy, double that is still impractical.
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The stylus is actually pretty nifty, since it's a full Wacom pen which is pressure sensitive and has multiple buttons. I used one for quite a while and did quite a lot of "real work" on it. It was in many ways an excellent machine and far ahead of its time.
It was also one of the lightest laptops of any sort available at the time, something which they got right.
Given the age, it wasn't possible to have a computer any lighter and still maintain reasonable functionality. Bear in mind that it also has Nvidia gr
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Actually the big failure of my Toshiba Portege tablet was that it was unreliable. The digitizer kept breaking down, and then it took 2 weeks to be repaired even under warranty. Once it went out of warranty, that was that, and in the meantime I couldn't actually depend on tablet/pen computing because I wouldn't have it for a fairly long time.
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Tablet PCs were pretty useful. They functioned as nice laptops, and if one did want the tablet functionality, it was a screen flip away.
The trick would be to have ultrabooks get the 180 degree rotating screen and a touch screen. It wouldn't be as light as an iPad by any means, but it would be useful as a tablet, but when one needed to do actual heavy duty typing, the screen could be flipped around and the device used as a light notebook.
All and all, a good idea, especially since Windows 8 will have touch
Of course (Score:2, Troll)
Of course we need Steve Jobs to tell us what we need, the consumers can't choose for themselves based on the choices in the market which is always bad. We need only one or two form factors.
These two should be banned from the market by fiat. for not conforming to Jobs' dictates and taste It's not like anyone would find it right for themselves right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6jnrRRAcZc [youtube.com]
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/05/25/microsoft-sell-80-inch-windows-8-tablet/ [idownloadblog.com]
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i remember those. they were close to $3000 and no useful software to take advantage. and they were big and heavy compared to tablets.
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My cousin has had an HP that did this before the iPad was a thing. It runs WinXP for Tablets.
Dozens or hundreds of laptops have done this for the better part of a decade.
Also, this post is one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever seen make it onto Slashdot. TFA is a garbage bloglike post with virtually no content. The paltry information it has includes major mistakes, such as "Yet another Acer laptop, the aptly named Yoga, has a screen that folds..." The Yoga is, of course, a Lenovo product. We've talked about it before.
Bluntly, James Niccolai and Michael Kan are both idiots who shouldn't have jobs. Soulskill was lax in posting a story that only linked to their garbage "article."
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Those tablets never took off the way Microsoft expected, they are popular in the Medical Field, but not much beyond that. Now for my current Laptop I have a Lenovo x220 Table. That has a multi-touch screen. It is nice, because I can use it as a good laptop or as a tablet.
The issue was with the old ones, was you needed a stylus, that was easily lost, and needed a full free hand. Now with cheap multi-touch we can operate the PC much easier. And Windows 8 actually makes running a PC off of a touch screen
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My cousin has had an HP that did this before the iPad was a thing. It runs WinXP for Tablets.
Not just HP but Toshiba, Panasonic, Fujitsu, IBM (before they sold the brand to Lenovo) all sold tablets. Even a few models with GPS modules designed expressly to be put in vehicles except that the GPS units were proper GPS, not aGPS so they had real accuracy and were hideously expensive (well they still are, the Ipad hasn't done anything to this market).
But this is ignored by the brainwashed idiots that write tripe like the article, the Ipad is just a Fujitsu tablet minus the keyboard (and dont Apple sell
I get it. Pc makers != Tablet makers (Score:5, Insightful)
PC makers show chimeras in tradeshows because that is what the trade shows are meant for.
Re:I get it. Pc makers != Tablet makers (Score:5, Insightful)
To be be fair, this is pretty much what TFA says, but the slashdot headline and summary sucks and totally misses the point.
Being concerned about not being left behind in new developments and new markets is what drives innovation and competition. It's not "freaking out".
Some will fail, some will be successful. Today's chimeras may be tomorrow's standard kit.
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To be be fair, this is pretty much what TFA says, but the slashdot headline and summary sucks and totally misses the point.
That means business as usual on Slashdot on MS related stories. Look at the brouhaha over yesterday's story about ALL CAPS menus in Visual Studio. If you read their blog post, they said they were going to make it configurable, but that never stopped all of Slashdot from not even mentioning the option and then going on to bash MS in hundreds of comments.
Slashdot is to MS what Fox News is to Democrats.
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PC makers make PCs that run Windows. So they have to license Windows for the bulk of their products. Marketing incentives essentially make up the entire operating profit for these products, which isn't much in a good year. If PC makers introduce tablet products that don't need Windows, awkward conversations ensue at renewal time about "commitment" and "partnership level". If they lose their PC incentives, their entire business goes unprofitable.
So generally speaking, yes. PC makers != tablet makers.
It's called "thrashing". (Score:2)
If you don't know what to do, throw lots of shit against a wall and see what sticks.
Innovation it ain't, but it can pay off.
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If you don't know what to do, throw lots of shit against a wall and see what sticks.
Actually, that sounds more accurate when used to describe TFA.
Innovating is not "freaking out" (Score:2, Insightful)
Since when is innovating "freaking out". There is a long standing tradition of trying many different form factors and designs. Well at least for companies not named Apple. It's exciting to see all these possibilities. Time to move behind the frankly terrible interface of a capacitive touchscrean only.
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Your comment is funny considering Intel is bending over backwards to provide other laptop makers the parts to build cheap Macbook air clones (Otherwise known as Ultrabooks)
Yeah that must be it!
Because Apple's been using Intel sourced components the longest out of every other PC maker in history first off, and also Ultrabook category laptops like the Thinkpad X-series didn't exist before Apple made the Air!
Try to at least wipe a little bit of the fanboy off next time?
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I'm by no means an Apple fanboy but I do think it's dishonest to deny that they've been pretty good at getting the market to move in various directions.
The iPhone may not have been the first smartphone with a touchscreen but the user experience factor of it was strong enough that suddenly "everyone"* wanted to build something similar.
The iPad wasn't the first tablet but it did get "everyone" to put more focus into tablets (and actually believe in the tablet market, remember when the iPad was first presented
Here's what I want as a technical user (Score:2)
I want a LARGE tablet. My laptop screen is about 8in by 14in. So, what I want, is a table the size of this screen with a keyboard that has a touchpad I can attach for serious typing. I want it to have all of the ports I usually use, at a minimum this is HDMI and 2 USB ports. It should also have a headphone jack and speakers. It should run Win7, and eventually Win9 because all the software I use is windows based. The processor should be capable of handling Matlab, Mathematica and some light Solidworks. Or,
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I want a pony.
Re:Here's what I want as a technical user (Score:5, Insightful)
The beauty of capitalism and the free market is the fact that you can have your pony and the other guy can have his tablet.
Old news (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's the thing: this has been going on for laptop and cell phone manufacturers since... forever. These people don't know where the technology is going, they don't have a plan, and they arguably don't know how to make a good product. Given the technical capabilities of computers these days, it's amazing how poor a job manufacturers are doing of actually solving problems or giving people what they want.
No need for freaking out (Score:3, Insightful)
Tablets will get their own clientele, and will never kill off laptop/PC sales, simply because they can't get powerful enough. Each class of devices has its pros and cons, and therefore, their own market segment.
PC-s are the heavy artillery of computing: extremely powerful, but immobile. Quad-core graphics chips or no, you probably won't see someone rendering 3D models on a tablet, simply because they are not powerful enough to do what a PC's borbdingnagian graphics cards and n-core CPUs can do in a flash.
Laptops are a sort of heavy in-betweeners: increasingly mobile but ultimately constrained by their batteries and trading processing power for uptime, increasingly powerful, but unable to match PCs due to power, heat dissipation and other constraints. They can be used for heavy lifting on the go, but should only be used thus if no better options are available.
Tablets are the light in-betweeners: mainly fit for viewing content, not for creating it, they are ideal for sales people who can present media-rich demos to their clients, and top managers, who can use them to tie together various information sources on the go to make their decisions.
Smartphones are the Swiss army knives: they can do anything in a pinch, but if there's a specialized tool, better use that. They are highly mobile computing platforms, almost exclusively for viewing content due to their small screens not leaving room for a virtual keyboard, but due to their always-on Internet connections, they can be used to look up information and communicate with other systems/devices on the go.
I expect that soon, as the novelty of the iPad and other tablets wears off, and youngsters recognize that these devices are not the end-all to their computing (playing Angry Birds) problems, each platform will find their own user strata, with laptops and smartphones once again becoming the most prolific, with PCs taking sort of a back row, and tablets being mainly relegated to consumption roles instead of general purpose use or content generation.
Re:No need for freaking out (Score:4, Informative)
Rendering 3D models on a tablet (Score:2)
you probably won't see someone rendering 3D models on a tablet
What do you think happens 20 to 60 times a second in any tablet game? Tablet graphics aren't in the N64/DS days with a limit of 2000 triangles per scene anymore.
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What's odd? (Score:2)
Can't we moderate the submissions -1 (Troll) (Score:2)
I had one of these nearly a decade ago. (Score:2)
I had a dell laptop with a rotating "touch" (stylus) screen nearly a decade ago. Its not new.
Laptops and *gasp* netbooks are here to stay. (Score:2)
I know way more people that won't part with their laptops and netbooks, than people who use exclusively their tablets. A survey of my colleagues at the research institute where I work shows that tablet use is mostly sporadic or none at all. Even for casual browsing, the number of people using netbooks at least rivals, if not outnumbers, those using tablets.
And finally, at least a fifth if not more of my tablet-using friends hate it: they bought it on hype and are now disappointed by the lack of a keyboard a
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Somebody please explain to me... (Score:3)
Let's get the facts, historically.
1) Microsoft and others made tablets, no one cared about it.
2) Apple released a tablet, it sold very well..
3) Android-based tablets also did well..
4) Netbook sales are down , while tablet sales grow, this makes some sense, as both were meant as accessory devices.
5) Notebook sales also down, but is it really because of tablets or because current hardware is good enough?.
6) Microsoft releases Windows 7, a 100% Desktop OS, people is happy with it..
7) Gnome 3, Ubutunu decide to ditch traditional desktop paradigm.
8) Despite the success of Windows 7, Microsoft decides to deprecate desktop paradigm and move to tablet-like in Windows 8..
9) Apple announces their OS is called "Lion", potentially meaning a big change is near, next one is Mountain Lion though..
So, all of sudden, the entire tech world has decided that tablets are the future and desktop & mobile UIs will converge, even though historically it is the fact that they ended up being fundamentally different what made them succeed..
I must be stupid, but I truly and honestly still don't see why this wll happen, so I'd very much appreciate someone more tech-literate than me to explain the future.
Or perhaps... (Score:2)
Seriously, I have no problem using a tablet as my primary device, for email, programming, novel writing, etc. But I need a keyboard to do that, and the ability to hook up a larger monitor at times would be useful.
So no, it's not an act of desparation (except the part about putting Wi
Why is this "freaking out"? (Score:3)
I'm not so sure I accept the premise that the variety of new portable computing platforms which combine the power of a traditional laptop with the convenience and intuitive interface of a tablet is an example of PC makers "freaking out". Why shouldn't we celebrate the new variety in approaches to portable computing?
So who benefits from describing this rich new portable ecosystem as "freaking out"? Who benefits from characterizing a rich variety of portable computers with touch screens and choices of OS & hardware? My guess is a particular well-known California company that specializes in limiting consumers' choices when it comes to hardware/OS configurations.
Not everyone wants exactly the same thing, you know, despite their best efforts to turn personal computing into a proprietary platform for consuming instead of a platform for computing, creating, doing.
This article is textbook FUD. "Freaking out", indeed.
Complete misinterpretation of reality (Score:3)
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So in other words it is the "killer" app that determines if a technology will be massively adopted.
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I dunno.
Have you ever stopped to actually think what that product description implies? It certainly sounds crude and unweildy.
"all upcoming events"
Sounds like you are better off using something with a decent input device so you can be a little more selective.
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Not necessarily so. Granted, tablets are almost useless for generating content, except for taking quick notes and such, but they are rather useful for watching a movie on the road, reading an ebook, or giving a presentation to a client. Laptops are too bulky to use comfortably when mobile, and PCs are immobile to start with.