AMD Opens Israeli R&D Center, Hints At ARM Link 95
siliconbits writes "We've learnt that AMD will open a new research and development center in Israel in the Tel-Aviv area, one which will be built around Graphic Remedy, the small startup they purchased in September 2010 and which specialises in development tools for heterogeneous computing and 3D graphics. Although the chip company hasn't published any press releases yet, the news is a clear indication that AMD sees its future (and its survival) in a more fragmented market where x86 is no longer the dominating platform."
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Apartheid was a political system in South Africa, which was in use in the 20th century, mainly between the 1940s and the 1980s. In the system, the people of South Africa were divided by their race. Even though black people were the majority in the country, a small number of white people ruled them and held most political offices. There were laws that kept up the racial
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s/South Africa/Israel/
s/white/Israeli Jews/
s/black/Palestinian/
s/the majority/roughly half the population/
s/small number/politically dominant quasi-racial class/
s/20th century/20th and 21st centuries/
s/1980s/present/
s/banned in 1994/not yet banned/
The term Apartheid is not employed by Israel, which apparently wants to enjoy the propaganda coup of "democracy" while employing much of the same institutional policies that South Africa employed under the Apartheid regime. But the comparison is mostly apt, which
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How can you be a "democracy" when you deny full status to non-Jews?
Ignorance is far too rampant for me to make a dent, but I'll try:
- Arab population in Israel: 1,271,000 (about 20% of the population)
- 84.9% of Israeli Arabs stated that Israel has a right to exist as an independent state
- 77% would rather live in Israel as Israeli citizens than in any other country in the world
There are 14 arab members of parliament [wikipedia.org] in the Israeli Knesset (out of 120 members total)
Feel free to check the stats here [wikipedia.org]. I'm Israeli and I work with arabs every day, in the tech sector. They send their children to Israeli schools, and vote for parliament like any other citizen. The only major difference is that they don't have to serve in the IDF unless they want to.
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Can an "Arab" marry a Jew?
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Yes, I personally know of several such cases. It's not common, but it's not illegal.
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Is an "Arab" free to purchase and reside in any property, in any location of his choice?
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Legally? Yes. Of course, if an Arab would try to buy a house in the middle of an orthodox neighborhood, it will be frowned upon, but such will be the case if I, a Jewish person, will buy a house in the middle of an Arab village.
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Israel is not a country where people are persecuted for speaking their mind. If you would just look a couple of weeks back, many Arab citizens protested around the country to remember the Nakba [wikipedia.org]. Do most of the Jewish Israelis agree with them? No. Did anyone interfere with their right for peaceful assembly? Not in the least. In places where the assemblies became violent, only there did the police intervene.
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The point of a Jewish state is that for the first time in modern history, the Jewish people will have a place they are not discriminated against. The Jewish state is not meant to be a place where we discriminate others. Granted, things are not perfect, and I agree that it is easier being Jewish in Israel than Arab, but you can just pick any one of Israel's neighbors to see places where the government treats strangers, women and sometimes even its own citizens with a rough hand.
It's always funny when every s
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The point of a Jewish state is that for the first time in modern history, the Jewish people will have a place they are not discriminated against.
That's just wrong. Jews can live quite happily in the US, UK, most of Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc: places where everybody is protected equally. Also they could have created Israel somewhere else. Jews, Christians and Muslims all have equally valid claims to 'belonging' there.
The Jewish state is not meant to be a place where we discriminate others.
But that precisely what it must become! You cannot represent all groups equally when you promise to protect one of them above all.
Granted, things are not perfect, and I agree that it is easier being Jewish in Israel than Arab, but you can just pick any one of Israel's neighbors to see places where the government treats strangers, women and sometimes even its own citizens with a rough hand.
Sure by most standards Israel is better than most of it's neighbours, but that's not saying much.
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More in http://www.middle-east-info.org/gateway.html [middle-east-info.org]
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So it's not like israel has jewish beaches and arab beaches. The comparison doesn't seem particularly apt to me.
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South African apartheid didn't apply to "its own citizens", it applied to a white elite ruling over a (set of) black nation(s); it implemented "sovereignty" for the black South Africans under terms like "homelands" and "bantustans". And while the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank are not Israeli citizens, they are a population Israel has ruled over since 1967, and has effectively permanent sovereignty over. The whole of Palestine has been wholly Israel for 44 years, and given Israeli politics and US su
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Oh, I get it. Good job.
For what it's worth, since I've unwittingly done "cheeks'" propaganda job for them, I'll go ahead and address the Holocaust too.
Holocaust: happened.
Committed: not by Palestinians, who bear no responsibility to shoulder the burden of making wrongs right.
Homeland: probably a good idea, especially in the context of the Holocaust.
"Jewish state": not the same thing as a homeland.
"Jewish state" in Palestine: produced, inevitably, ethnic cleansing, dispossession, and the colonial relationshi
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Whoever moderated this "troll", assuming you know what "troll" means, I am impressed with your faith in the mental capacities of the people I'm apparently "trolling".
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Tell you what. Let's look at a situation:
[HYPOTHETICAL]
Aztlan wingnuts decide to take back California. They set up in Tijuana and start shooting Katushya rockets into San Diego and Orange County.
What should the US.gov do?
[/HYPOTHETICAL]
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There are so many half-truths, distortions and lies in what you hypothesise, that it is unpossible to formulate a refutation.
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It's backwards day (Score:5, Funny)
Now Israel will be providing ARMs to the US for a change!
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Okay, I was going to make some sort of reference to an ARMs race or like that but you beat me to it....
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Yay more backdoors for the other part (the civilized peaceful part) of the world.
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You can always buy any of the Palestinian designed CPUs out there.
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You can always buy any of the Palestinian designed CPUs out there.
Thanks, but I'll pass. I've heard the Palestinian CPUs have a tendency to overheat and blow themselves up, typically damaging other hardware components around them.
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So you're fine buying from tech companies with Chinese factories (ie. pretty much all of them) but an Israeli R&D lab is unacceptable? I don't see the distinction.
Don't kid youself. None of those silicon-holding boxes you own were knitted by unicorns from a child's laughter.
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Maybe if a person considers Collective Punishment worse than low wages and unsafe working conditions it make sense. The latter seems pretty bad, but the former is a war crime.
Personally it all sounds pretty bad, and the other sides in the Isaeli-Arab conflicts aren't any better. I wish we could do without all of them.
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Maybe I can put your [bbc.co.uk] mind [economist.com] to [phayul.com] rest. [www.dvb.no]
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Great the options are war crimes or war crimes.
Is there a reason these people are such assholes?
I have never said, "you know what lets go be total assholes to the neighbors." I have never though of stealing his house or his car.
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iPads are actually knitted from children's laughter; the laughter is harvested in vast children farms on mainland China. Those children will never laugh again!
Re:Israel research talent (Score:4, Insightful)
You're going to "shun" AMD products because they now have R&D facilities in Israel? If you avoided every product developed in Israel, you'd have almost nothing to "compute" with. It's not just semiconductor companies either -- Microsoft and Google have large setups in Israel as well. Facebook bought Snaptu [techcrunch.com] a few months ago.
The Israeli economy is built around the tech sector.
Oh, and I'm Israeli, so don't forget to post some charming apartheid reply to this comment.
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Have you ever been there? No? I guess that's why you're an expert on it now.
First, you imagine Israel as a post-apocalyptic wasteland with daily suicide bombings. Then you build a whole fantasy world based on that imagined reality. Then you call other people morons.
You should read this: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony [merriam-webster.com]
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Israel has a lot more high tech than you expect (Score:4, Informative)
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Because the restoration of the Jewish state of Israel is a prerequisite for the biblical apocalypse. And propping up Israel plays into the fevered dreams of the omnicidal fundamentalist christian death cult that makes up a significant minority of the the American voting public.
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Because the restoration of the Jewish state of Israel is a prerequisite for the biblical apocalypse. And propping up Israel plays into the fevered dreams of the omnicidal fundamentalist christian death cult that makes up a significant majority of the the American voting public.
There fixed that for you.
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Nope. The real death cult crazies are a minority as Nadaka said. But they work together with the abortion crazies and the gay crazies and the evolution crazies and the global warming crazies and the gun crazies and so on and so on and so on. For any of these groups to point out how crazy another is would bring about their own downfall, so they play together nicely.
It's not an insignificant minority, but it's nowhere near a majority.
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I don't think any of those right-wing groups considers the others an enemy. They're driven by different agendas which don't necessarily conflict (thought they do conflict with their crazy counterparts on the left). On the contrary, they all contributed to the redefining of "liberal" as a bad word which they use to distract from their own radical message. And as the saying goes: "the enemy of my enemy...".
Jesus won't take away your guns (when he brings the world to a fiery end), but those PETA commie bast
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That does not create job anymore than breaking windows. If you really want most bang for your buck, just give the money directly to poor folks. They will spend it instantly.
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You don't seem to understand Israel or the broken window fallacy.
Israel has real enemies who have been trying to invade them since independence. They will develop those arms, regardless of US support. This isn't wasteful spending, it's actually less wasteful than if they had to perform the R&D themselves, rather than purchase already-developed American goods. The US isn't encouraging Israel to buy stuff it wouldn't otherwise tax its citizens to obtain.
Argue about whether or not the US should support
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You need to do some research about the realities of Israel's geopolitical situation.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110530-israels-borders-and-national-security?utm_source=GWeekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110531&utm_content=readmore&elq=6521bd09197a40ca98499beb42c07023 [stratfor.com]
Israel can't develop its own arms and it NEEDS US support to maintain it's current geography and military plans.
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Israel would be buying that stuff anyway. The options are not buy from the USA or develop their own, they can't afford to develop their own. For the same reason the EU shares the Eurofighter.
You seem to not understand the broken window fallacy. This is not useful spending for us, it is exactly like breaking windows for jobs.
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The fallacy transcends your petty politics. It's about net economic loss masked as gain, not about who gains and who loses.
You are exactly like a lobotomized apricot.
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I don't think anyone thinks of Israel a Middle Eastern wasteland. They think of it as a self-perpetuating military enterprise. The high-tech industry in Israel has formed as an addendum to the that military industry. All those missiles and guidance systems need microchips and IT support you know.
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I worked in a semiconductor fab for a long time and we used AMAT SEM machines that were manufactured in israel. The direct factory reps were all israeli as well. A lot of people think of israel as this war-torn middle east wasteland but that's just not the case. It's a very wealthy and prosperous country, even if they are expanding and displacing the native populace. They are bringing a lot of non-oil money into the region.
Don't forget, the reason that the French tried to block Israel's acceptance to CERN was to protect French tenders. It was nothing political, only business.
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It's not like they have any choice: Israel has neither natural resources nor appreciable arable land, apart from the one that was "stolen" from the desert and the marshlands. In such situation they had to rely on their most obvious resource - human creativity.
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It's not like they have any choice: Israel has neither natural resources
They had an enormous natural gas find last year:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/31/world/middleeast/31leviathan.html [nytimes.com]
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I worked in a semiconductor fab for a long time and we used AMAT SEM machines that were manufactured in israel. The direct factory reps were all israeli as well. A lot of people think of israel as this war-torn middle east wasteland but that's just not the case. It's a very wealthy and prosperous country, even if they are expanding and displacing the native populace. They are bringing a lot of non-oil money into the region.
There wealth is directly tied to the US subsidies and US Corporations who expanded overseas to avoid a 35% tax owed back in the States.
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OpenCL, not ARM Architecture (Score:4, Interesting)
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Israel is controlled by global ennemies of humanity, just like the US congress, german or french government
Oops. I hope your Tin Foil Hat was not made in Israel... otherwise, you're doomed.....
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Do you really think a half-ass boycott is going to end the Siege of Gaza?
Saying they're run by criminals so we should boycott them is like saying that we should freeze the Palestinian Authority's accounts because they elected Hamas. Collective punishment is a delicate issue.
This move by AMD is nothing other than an attempt to take advantage of the high levels of education in Israel (which, as has been commented on upthread, is a result of American aid and German reparations).
Intel Xeon (Score:1)
I have always said that it is all about Intel Xeon processors in commodity servers and that AMD was a passing fad. It looks like AMD finally agreed and has implicitly conceded the market to Intel.
i'm ok with it (Score:1)
as long as they don't have a factory on occupied land