No Contactless Payment System In Next iPhone 239
RedEaredSlider writes "Citing fears over a lack of an industry standard, Apple has ditched plans to include near field communication technology in its next iPhone, The Independent reports. The technology, which allows users to make payments simply by waving their devices over special readers, is widely believed to be the next major step in both cell phone and payment technologies. Apple's decision to avoid it is a significant blow to its adoption."
it would make it too wide! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:it would make it too wide! (Score:5, Insightful)
I seriously don't want something in my phone that hooks in any way into a payment system whether it digs directly into my checking account..or even a special one. Just a great way to get charged for money by a thief. I prefer to just carry cash most of the time.....I don't even like the ATM cards that are also debit cards, and have had to tell the bank I don't want one....only an ATM card, and they sent them to me...
Aside from the privacy and security problems I have with it..do I REALLY need a new, overly convenient way to spend more fucking money?
Hell...I'm trying to save for a house and retirement some day....I don't need more temptations to spend easy cash.
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yeah i agree, features are BAD.
we shouldn't have features, they just make the phone slower, and hurt my privacy and blah blah blah.
We should only have the features we need, you know, the ones Apple invented. They know what we need...
If it wasn't invented by Apple then its bad.
Re:Give the anti-anti auto-reflex a rest. (Score:4, Insightful)
but surely we can, you know, turn it off when not in use. or have it manually activated at time of purchase.
and Apple aren't avoiding it on those grounds, they are avoiding it because they want to do their own incompatible system that they can profit from.
time for you to give the if-its-not-apple-i-dont-like-it reflex a rest sir.
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This is not a problem. It's fairly simple to hook up NFC system to phone's UI and force activation of the system prior to chip powering up.
Finally, you'd going to have to be within about 10-15cm of the target to copy the card. I.e. hugging the person and hoping that his clothes don't cause too much interference as they often do. Not suspicious at all!
Re:it would make it too wide! (Score:5, Insightful)
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If you lose your phone the thief can run up thousands of dollars in PHONE charges. If you lose your contactless payment device: the thief can spend till your daily limit, or until the police track him down by the built in gps, or until you remotely disable the device.
If you're a fucking moron and don't have a keylock on your phone - which is most likely an access point to much of your personal information, contacts, email, social networking, etc... - then yes that could happen.
Wrong (Score:2)
If you're a fucking moron and don't have a keylock on your phone
The whole point of the contactless payment systems is you wave your phone over something and it's paid for.
Otherwise it would be too much bother and you'd just use a credit card.
Re:Wrong (Score:4, Insightful)
The whole point of the contactless payment systems is you wave your phone over something and it's paid for.
I never understood the whole point of contactless payment, in that I'm already burning 30 minutes driving there, an hour walking around, at least ten minutes standing in line, perhaps ten hours of labor at work to pay for it, and thats all OK, but 2 seconds to pull out my wallet, WELLLLLL thats just an insurmountable obstacle, what do you expect me to climb mt Everest here, that's crazy talk, gimme a contactless system or I'll never shop here again?
The other mystery I never understood is I always have a backup plan. My visa card got stolen or declined or whatever (actually happened to me once in the 90s) thats no problemo I got a mastercard right here, and an american express too. And cash. And a check card. Furthermore I will not bore you with the details but I "need" to use certain cards at certain places because one gives the most cash back at the gas station, the other gives the most cash back at the convenience store, and the other is a "shared" card for shared family expenses such as food store. So a contactless system for me will have to hold multiple accounts and I'll have to F around with some manner of menu system to select which I want/need to use and hope I get it right each time. Of course it would be a hell of a lot faster and easier to pull out my wallet and whip out the correct card.
Finally I don't understand this whole "I don't want to carry a wallet only my cellphone" thing. First of all until they put drivers licenses on contactless it would be illegal for me to be outside of my house without my wallet for all practical concerns, because how would I get there other than driving without a license? Next, assuming you're somehow legally outside without ID, in some states (although not mine) if you're the wrong skin color and you have no ID, the cops will put you thru absolute hell up to and including attempts at deportation ... or you could just carry your wallet. I could go to the bar without my wallet, thats fantastic, err uh, well actually I don't care, but I can't anyway because they'll want to card me, so I guess I'm bringing my wallet.
It does seem like a very expensive solution in search of a problem.
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Credit cards don't have informational displays, or UI to allow for confirmation of the payment.
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One of the advantages to having this built into a phone, and not as a standalone card, is that you have input devices which can be used for authentication before releasing funds to third parties.
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I say thank God for this!!
I seriously don't want something in my phone that hooks in any way into a payment system whether it digs directly into my checking account..or even a special one.
Cause you know if they added this feature you absolutely would be forced to use it. There would be no way at all of using your iPhone and without entering a preferred bank account and giving Apple explicit permission to use the Near Field payment system.
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Actually this whole thread sounds *exactly*like what people were saying 14 years ago, how they would NEVER shop on the World Wide Web.
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If you don't like it, how about simply not enabling the feature?
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Your lack of will power to control your finances is no reason for other customers to forego a new feature that they potentially find useful.
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Extra Extra! (Score:5, Funny)
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Extra Extra! Apple may or may not be including something that has been previously rumored in their next iPhone! Won't somebody think of the children??
I was so looking forward to the jet fighter that was rumoured to be part of the next release. But it seems the global financial crisis has left Apple unable to include a $200 million jet plane with a $600 phone. As a result I'm looking at purchasing Android.
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Extra Extra! Apple may or may not be including something that has been previously rumored in their next iPhone! Won't somebody think of the children??
EXTRA! EXTRA! Whiners bitch about lucrative Apple stories on Slashdot, still clueless about cause and effect!
Most Likely Reason (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple hasn't figured a away to get fee's from sellers and customers yet.
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That's the easiest piece. Apple becomes a merchant processor (actually, something closer to the issuing bank at their scale) and takes a cut out of the payment. Hell, they'd practically be a new payment network. They're already effectively giving you a tiny line of credit with the way iTunes works, simply for the sake of aggregating payments to minimize their own fees. Why not go all the way with it?
Of course, they'd then have to deal with a truly absurd number of payments-related regulations, which I'll te
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I'd guess they could set themselves up in a manner similar to how PayPal operates...and not have to mess with 'bank' regulations....?
Seems to work well for PP so far...
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I'd guess they could set themselves up in a manner similar to how PayPal operates...and not have to mess with 'bank' regulations....?
Seems to work well for PP so far...
Paypal has a bank license in the EU, so yes, they did have to mess with bank regulations.
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Apple is the main patent holder in the MPEGLA group, and has been trolling webm and theora directly. I believe they love standards wars.
Re:Most Likely Reason (Score:5, Informative)
Apple is the main patent holder in the MPEGLA group
Wow, that's the most hilarious thing I've read all day.
They hold ONE patent in the h.264 pool. Out of several hundred.
Yup, that's a "main patent holder" all right.
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But it's the coolest!
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That's bull. For one mp4 is the established standard so it would rather be Google trying to start a standards war by throwing webm into the mix. For another Apple have at various times strongly come out in support of standards. The best example of this recently is HTML5, which they helped define as a member of WHATWG since 2004 (well before the iPhone.)
Re:Most Likely Reason (Score:4, Insightful)
From the article: "Citing fears over a lack of an industry standard, "
From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication#Standards [wikipedia.org]
so these claims turn out to be bogus...who knew? could it be that Apple doesn't like it because Apple doesn't control it?
Also, its an open standard...oh noes.
But Apple didn't leave us guessing as to their real motive:
From the article: "But Apple isn't completely abandoning the idea of mobile payments. Instead, the company plans to implement its own contactless payment technology"
and to finish off (and prove the GP correct):
From the article: "the company's answer to mobile payments will run through its iTunes store. This would likely allow the company to reap a portion of transactions, as is the case for many products purchases through iTunes."
The "leopard" never changes its spots.
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See? There was a format war issue (Score:2)
Citing fears over a lack of an industry standard, "
Then in just a bit you said:
From the article: "But Apple isn't completely abandoning the idea of mobile payments. Instead, the company plans to implement its own contactless payment technology"
So how is that not a format war? It would seem Apple is not adding NFC to avoid a format war caused by it adding NFC.
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But is it a "paper standard" without real world implementations ? Suppose Apple put NFC in the iPhone, then a Google pulls a WebM and decides to go a different route or a major bank implements a version of it but in an incompatible way. Best to wait then until there is an accepted standard that is also defacto accepted everywhere. Apple is big but it hasn't got the clout to push a payment system on retailers everywhere.
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Read only I think, and only to read data off of stickers and such not as a payment system. Look, aticles like this one [telefonica.com] claim "Mobile payment could be rolled out massively in Spain in the next 3-5 years." That's with the support of Visa, a major operator in the payment systems business. Neither Apple nor Google are going to roll into town and create a widely used system by themselves in a hurry. And having extra hardware in their phone for functionality that now can be had by using bluetooth or QR codes whil
Has slashdot degenerated (further) (Score:5, Insightful)
Has this become the official iPhone gossip site?
Every too often an article like this comes which has no substance. It's not news for nerds, it doesn't matter.
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I think that's a version of the problem. I don't see much in it for Apple. In the US contactless payments are not very common. There are a few systems (SpeedPay?) but I've never seen anyone use them. Carrying around a credit card is not exactly a hardship. The place where I think it would make the most sense is vending machines.
I know contactless stuff is much more common in Japan and Europe. Do they use the same system, or would Apple have to build multiple versions? I do think that if they wanted to Appl
In Canada.. (Score:2)
I don't know about the states, but Canada has wide adoption of contact-less credit cards*. In almost all the gas stations in my area, and many stores, I can simply hold up my wallet with my credit card in it to pay for things. No swiping necessary. This is a huge convenience IMO. I realize you may say "but how much work is it really to take the card out of your wallet, and swipe it?" Physically it's not a lot of extra effort, but the card readers often don't work the first time, and when you're freezing you
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I can simply hold up my wallet with my credit card in it to pay for things.
I detect the presence of singular. How does it work when you've got 3 contactless CC (the "main" the "backup" and the "shared family") and a bank issued debit/credit and a RFID drivers license and a RFID library card and one RF "door key" card for work and another RF "door key" card for the daycare front door? My wife has a couple merchant cards (Target card, etc). Then there's the RFID passport which I normally do not carry and a possibly contactless debit card linked to the cash account at my brokerage
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It seems to me... (Score:2)
That the biggest indicator of slashdot's downfall is that every single article posted is immediately met by a claim that the inclusion of said article indicates the site's downfall.
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That the biggest indicator of slashdot's downfall is that every single article posted is immediately met by a claim that the inclusion of said article indicates the site's downfall.
Unfortunately, the old Slashdot drinking game at http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~neilk/drinking.txt [uchicago.edu] appears to be gone, but perhaps it needs to be updated anyway. "Somebody posts a comment complaining about how Slashdot is going downhill and this story is an example" is probably a good one for the game; perhaps "I know I'm going to be modded down, but..." also belongs on the list, with an additional one for "Somebody says 'I know I'm going to be modded down, but...' and gets modded up".
Re:Has slashdot degenerated (further) (Score:4, Insightful)
hardly (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple's decision to avoid it is a significant opportunity for Android phones. Apple is learning the wrong lessons from Microsoft.
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If Apple and Google both implemented the same NFC implementation it becomes the defacto standard.
Or if Google just does it alone. Apple would appear to be making a serious blunder if the report is true.
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Google couldn't do it alone either. All it would take is for a major bank or credit card company to back a different horse and you'd have a generation of cellphones with an obsolete payment system embedded in it. This is one of these things that requires extensive dealings behind the scenes to ensure everyone is on the same page first, which hopefully Apple (and maybe Google, who knows) are doing right now.
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Apple's decision to avoid it is a significant opportunity for Android phones. Apple is learning the wrong lessons from Microsoft.
From my point of view they are the right lessons because it is about time for Apple to decline in prominence before they manage to do some serious damage.
Disappointment (Score:2)
Great disappointment. I was really hoping Apple would jump start the NFC revolution with the iPhone 5. What's the problem in not having an industry standard?! They would have CREATED one!
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As it is, Google will create one. At the rates Android phones sell, there will be enough devices with NFC as Google implements it on the market within a year or so for large shops to take notice.
if true, bad move (Score:2)
Many mobile payment vendors were (are) holding their breath for NFC on Apple devices.
There is already the Galaxy, RIM has promised NFC. Apple would really push this over the top.
I am really tired of carrying various cards for mass transit, etc. and I would love to consolidate these w/my phone.
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Without a standard in place, I can't say I blame them. If Apple backs a technology that may change entirely over the course of a year, which in turn is based on hardware in the phones themselves, I can see why they are hesitant. It seems backwards that they wouldn't establish a standard first, and then go about putting the specs into their handsets.
Why does it seem like they are going about this a bit backward? Not Apple in general, but the industry in general. Typically if there is a need for a standard, a
Apple may not be as relevant as you think... (Score:3)
Whereas I applaud Apple's continued success in the mobile arena, I doubt that its 'refusal' to implement NFC is that major a blow. You see, the tech world has learned to move on with or without Apple.
But do not be surprised is Apple is continuously testing and improving this 'rejected' tech to later 'implement'.
Do you think folks at Samsung, HTC and the rest are that sleepless over Apple's decision? I doubt.
Re:Apple may not be as relevant as you think... (Score:4, Insightful)
...the tech world has learned to move on with or without Apple.
What kool aid did YOU drink? I'll stick to my Apple Water [scoopertino.com] thanks :-)
;-) Shit, those idiots cant even get tablets out to compete with the now SECOND generation of iPad!
Where would Samsung, HTC and "the rest" be without the iPhone? Windows Mobile 6. something?
They cant keep up, much less innovate, without Apple
Not invented here? (Score:3)
Google doesn't seem to be having problems with the concept and is pushing it (with manufacturers' buy-in) into current Android phones now. Perhaps Apple is having the "not invented here" syndrome??
From the article: "But Apple isn't completely abandoning the idea of mobile payments. Instead, the company plans to implement its own contactless payment technology,"
Oh! So Apple just wants to find another revenue stream from their own proprietary "solution"..... got it! It has nothing to do with "industry standards", it has to do with trying to create and force a "standard".
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Another one wakes up (this has only been going on since the the dawn of computers). So now for your next step think about the fact that what you've just described is pretty much the whole point of most proprietary systems...
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Oh, I have been awake for a long time. I was pointing out the "irony" in the summary/article wording- as if Apple rejected it because of lack of "standards", which is ludicrous.
I just still can't believe it is 2011 and we STILL can't get PIN codes attached to credit cards! I hope this "contactless" type concept requires their use (and can't be stored on the device, obviously)...
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Wait what? My credit card has had a PIN since the dawn of time (well, at least since I turned 18 and got my first credit card, around a decade ago...)
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Maybe a PIN number for cash withdrawals at an ATM machine, but not a PIN number that is required for purchase payments....
Without a purchasing PIN, anyone can take your card (or often just the number) and buy things without hardly any challenge at all.
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OK so maybe not a decade, but I've had a PIN for use at the point of sale for purchases (i.e. swipe and type PIN, rather than swipe and sign) since at least 2005 (I know this for a fact as I was definitely using a chip-and-PIN card while living in London, and 2005 was my last year there). I've since moved elsewhere but all credit cards I've had since then have had one of those little chips in it and are capable of doing PIN-authenticated purchases.
Admittedly though, in many countries, it's not mandatory to
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In the USA, I have never seen a PIN used with a credit card (and I have been using them quite a bit longer than you ;) ). Check/Debit card yes, credit card no. The most I have seen used was to require you to key in your zip code; which is not much security.
And yes, if you can choose not to use it, of course nobody will- because it is not their money that is at risk... it becomes a "society" problem and we all end up paying for theft with higher prices and fees.
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Ah, your previous posts didn't mention the US specifically so I didn't know where you were commenting from. That may well be the case in the US so I can't argue with that. I am in the US reasonably regularly but I tend not to use credit cards there so I just assumed it was like other places ... apparently not :)
All I can definitely say is that I've been using a PIN with a credit card at the point of sale for quite a few years now in the places I've lived (various European countries, Singapore, Australia). I
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the new credit card terminals will have a 30 pin connector, you dock your phone and make your transaction. worries about vandalism of the 30 pin connector on vending machines are dismissed by Steve jobs, "that connector is indestructible! we have never had a failure of one!"
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worries about vandalism of the 30 pin connector on vending machines are dismissed by Steve jobs, "that connector is indestructible! we have never had a failure of one!"
And if it doesn't function, it is the users fault: they are griping the phone the wrong way.
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>"the new credit card terminals will have a 30 pin connector"
OMG!!! Too funny! I nearly fell out of my chair :)
+100 funny
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Perhaps Apple is having the "not invented here" syndrome??
More probably the "can't be the troll under the bridge owning the means of passage" syndrome.
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Oh! So Apple just wants to find another revenue stream from their own proprietary "solution"..... got it! It has nothing to do with "industry standards", it has to do with trying to create and force a "standard".
Keep in mind you're commenting on rumors by "sources." The hit rate of anonymous sources on Apple rumors is very (very!) low. AFAIK Apple hasn't officially commented on this.
No way (Score:4, Insightful)
Right now I'm very resistant to any sort of NFC device - too many "security" decisions seem to be driven by vendors who keep their heads intentionally planted in the sand. These folks seem to think we live in a world where the bad guys would never overpower a remote reader, where gathered data is then only transmitted over secure wireless networks, and where design decisions never trump best security practices.
And no - I don't have any RFID-enabled credit cards.
Easily Done Yourself (Score:2)
1. Get card with PayPass (or equivalent)
2. Duct tape to iPhone
3. Profit
Actually, I just tried it out and mine fits inside the outer shell of my (non-apple) smartphone, looking at it you'd never know it was there...
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No it's not the same. I had a nokia in 2004 that did this and you could see the balance, the transaction amount, and control if it was on or not.
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No it's not the same. I had a nokia in 2004 that did this and you could see the balance, the transaction amount, and control if it was on or not.
;) Hey, I can't believe there isn't an app for that! ;)
Don't want to work with Google (Score:3, Insightful)
And by "Citing fears over a lack of an industry standard", they mean that they don't want to follow Google's lead with their NFC enabled phone, so instead they are working secretely with Nokia to come out with a competing standard, screwing over consumers who just want something that works -- much like the DVD-RAM/Blu-Ray debacle where no one could decide on a standard so early adopters had to pick one and hope they picked the industry leader.
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Apple is not the industry leader in payment systems nor in cellphones for that matter (they lead in profit not in units shipped.)
But isn't this a good thing? (Score:3)
All I see is people complaining about this. But isn't this a good thing? Didn't anyone read the first few words in the summary, "Citing fears over a lack of an industry standard"?
One of the biggest things people complain about with Microsoft (and other companies as well, including even Apple sometimes) is that they invent their own "standards" (or implement standards in ways that aren't in fact standard) and ruin the possibility of interoperability with products from other companies. That generates no end of woe. Isn't it the geek's dream to have IT companies adhere to industry standards?
And here a company is actually paying attention to industry standards! But this is Apple. Slashdotters are going to complain. If they did the exact opposite and invented their own thing, Slashdotters would complain as well.
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If you RTFA, that is exactly what Apple are doing - going off and creating their own walled garden version of NFC while other companies are working towards an open standard. Apples "fears over lack of
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Apple are quite happy to ignore standards when it suits them (audio formats, power/USB connectors...). Let's not pretend that Apple are the bastion of device interoperability...
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Everyone is so quick to attack Apple they don't stop to consider what they are attacking them for.
Not at all. In this case I am attacking Apple for stupidity, hubris and perhaps a touch of malice, ambiguity is nowhere to be seen.
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um, NFC IS an approved standard, and with Google behind it it pretty much IS an industry standard. With both Google and Apple behind it, then it would DEFINITELY be an industry standard.
Its got ISO approval and everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication#Standards [wikipedia.org]
What has Apple's one got? Do you really think Apple will create something that works with anything/anyone except Apple?
People aren't ignoring what Apple said, they just dont believe it. Its bogus.
Apple's solution to this is t
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um, NFC IS an approved standard, and with Google behind it it pretty much IS an industry standard. With both Google and Apple behind it, then it would DEFINITELY be an industry standard.
Its got ISO approval and everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication#Standards [wikipedia.org]
Wow, did you even read that page you linked? It sounds like the over the air protocol is standardized and not much else.. like IDK, the payment system? Not to mention the security issues listed that are unaddressed by any current standards.
You do know the world is bigger than Google and Apple, right? Right?
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You do know the world is bigger than Google
*blank stare*
Nokia already did it. (Score:2)
Nokia had several phones that did this. some massively old.
I had a Nokia 3220 years ago when I was in europe and used it to pay for bus fare in germany.
Nice to see apple and the others pulling a microsoft and trying to make an innovation something that is old tech.
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And since Nokia was the market leader at that time it became wildly successful and the de facto standard and now everyone uses it ... oh wait that didn't happen. Maybe this offers a clue to why Apple don't want to jump the gun here.
How is it a significant blow? (Score:3)
Isn't Android the market leader right now? With Apple pretty much splitting 2nd place with RIM?
It would seem to me that having this roll out in devices belonging to #1 would only strengthen their position.
Or does the RDF extend to markets everywhere? Will businesses avoid implementing it due to the runner up not having it?
I'm genuinely curious. Not trying to troll.
Japanese cell phone users laugh at Apple (Score:3)
The contactless payment system was introduced in Japan in 2004 by DoCoMo and Sony.
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Since I don't have an iPhone, I doubt they are laughing at me.
And they are not the first to this feature, hence my post.
Now how do I microwave my iPhone? (Score:2)
Actually, I'm totally okay with this as long as it stays as an opt-in feature. (tie your credit card(s) into your phone). Once Verizon starts billing me randomly for pizzas and gas, that's when I don my Slashdot trademarked tinfoil hat.
No industry std = don't want to give Google money (Score:2)
They haven't had enough time ... (Score:2)
Clearly they haven't had enough time to give it an Apple branded name. Firewire, Thunderbolt, PayField?
The only thing all this rumor mill and speculation does is generate ad revenue for all the rumor sites.
Meanwhile in Korea (Score:2)
It's been here for years. Huge step. Thanks for keeping up western cell phone companies.
The real issues with NFC (Score:3)
The NFC industry suffers from two bigs issues.
1. Huge installed base. There's already lots and lots of installed contactless systems : while many are supposed to follow standards, the standards are unfortunately not good enough to make sure that a NFC phone that would work in London would also work in Amsterdam.
2. Unclear business model. NFC involves too many powerful stakeholders : SIM card manufacturers, mobile phone manufacturers, service providers (banks, transportation operators), mobile telcos ... They all want a vut of the action: making them all agree on a clear business model is very difficult.
I hoped that the combined pressure and will of mighy Google and Apple would finally move things forward. Looks like the complexity of NFC defeated another big corp.
30% cut (Score:3)
I'm sick of being handcuffed (Score:2)
I wish I could feel better about apple. Every time I read abut how they are worried they are going to loose a niche, I feel like I'm getting bent over.
Re:Prediction (Score:5, Informative)
Prediction: if there's no accepted standard within a year, Apple will create one. Further prediction: Slashdotters will universally hate it. The remaining 99.999% of the world will love it.
Ah, what an relief for ATM-skimmers: no contact required, ISO standard doesn't yet specify [wikipedia.org] any protection against man-in-the-middle. Even if it would be so, the communication is small in size and one can easily jam the receiver and force the attempt of the same transaction enough numbers of time to have a good base for a cryptographic attack... especially since part of the encrypted information is known (the total of the docket).
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Does anyone know how secure NFC is over the air against third person snooping around?
Easy enough. Don't get a phone from a company you don't trust.
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I imagine the technology is like bluetooth in the sense that it can be turned off.
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It's more secure in the phone, where you can turn it off.
Re:Smart move... (Score:4, Insightful)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication#Standards [wikipedia.org]
Just because Apple say there isn't a standard doesn't mean you have to blindly believe them.
About time the iDrones started using the grey matter between their ears and thinking for themselves again.
Its got ISO certification and everything, and the support of most manufacturers in the industry.
I'm not sure what part of it Apple consider to be not a standard....?
oh wait...they want to build their own incompatible system, and they want to profit from it. business as usual for Apple.
complaining about lack of industry standard and then proposing to create your own standard that will only work with your own devices...kind of hypocritical isn't it?
Re:Smart move... (Score:5, Funny)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication#Standards [wikipedia.org]
Just because Apple say there isn't a standard doesn't mean you have to blindly believe them.
Then explain to us the "standard" process for something simple like.. securely purchasing a bottle of coke with a NFC device.
Innnnnn.. Canada.
No, Mexico.
1. Bits are sent over the air from one NFC device to a receiver located at ???.
2. ???
3. Drink bottle of coke.
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I think that was humor but in case not it's pretty amusing to hear you rant about Apple when the only product experience you had was running a pirated copy on a PC you hacked together.
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My son works for a bank. They gave him a test phone that he could swipe over appropriate card readers just like some credit cards. When people saw it they said "Where can I get a phone like that?" Definiately a market out there.
Tell them to get a stretchy silicone case for their phone and put their contactless credit card in the back between the case and the phone.
I did that for YEARS with an ipod and one of those RF door entry card keys. I was astounded at the number of people whom thought I had hacked the ipod or something. Obviously an ipod nano or shuffle would be a bit too small. Works well with an ipod touch. Probably would fit with an ipod classic or whatever they call it.
Obviously this doesn't work well at security the