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No Contactless Payment System In Next iPhone 239

RedEaredSlider writes "Citing fears over a lack of an industry standard, Apple has ditched plans to include near field communication technology in its next iPhone, The Independent reports. The technology, which allows users to make payments simply by waving their devices over special readers, is widely believed to be the next major step in both cell phone and payment technologies. Apple's decision to avoid it is a significant blow to its adoption."
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No Contactless Payment System In Next iPhone

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  • Most Likely Reason (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Freaky Spook ( 811861 ) on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @09:16PM (#35498960)

    Apple hasn't figured a away to get fee's from sellers and customers yet.

  • by line-bundle ( 235965 ) on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @09:19PM (#35499000) Homepage Journal

    Has this become the official iPhone gossip site?

    Every too often an article like this comes which has no substance. It's not news for nerds, it doesn't matter.

  • hardly (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Tumbleweed ( 3706 ) * on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @09:22PM (#35499030)

    Apple's decision to avoid it is a significant opportunity for Android phones. Apple is learning the wrong lessons from Microsoft.

  • No way (Score:4, Insightful)

    by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @09:38PM (#35499150)

    Right now I'm very resistant to any sort of NFC device - too many "security" decisions seem to be driven by vendors who keep their heads intentionally planted in the sand. These folks seem to think we live in a world where the bad guys would never overpower a remote reader, where gathered data is then only transmitted over secure wireless networks, and where design decisions never trump best security practices.

    And no - I don't have any RFID-enabled credit cards.

  • by hawguy ( 1600213 ) on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @09:42PM (#35499178)

    And by "Citing fears over a lack of an industry standard", they mean that they don't want to follow Google's lead with their NFC enabled phone, so instead they are working secretely with Nokia to come out with a competing standard, screwing over consumers who just want something that works -- much like the DVD-RAM/Blu-Ray debacle where no one could decide on a standard so early adopters had to pick one and hope they picked the industry leader.

  • by ModernGeek ( 601932 ) on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @09:57PM (#35499272)
    Slashdot has been the official Apple gossip site ever since they announced Mac OS X.
  • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @10:47PM (#35499614) Homepage Journal
    I say thank God for this!!

    I seriously don't want something in my phone that hooks in any way into a payment system whether it digs directly into my checking account..or even a special one. Just a great way to get charged for money by a thief. I prefer to just carry cash most of the time.....I don't even like the ATM cards that are also debit cards, and have had to tell the bank I don't want one....only an ATM card, and they sent them to me...

    Aside from the privacy and security problems I have with I REALLY need a new, overly convenient way to spend more fucking money?

    Hell...I'm trying to save for a house and retirement some day....I don't need more temptations to spend easy cash.

  • by dudpixel ( 1429789 ) on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @11:04PM (#35499736)

    yeah i agree, features are BAD.

    we shouldn't have features, they just make the phone slower, and hurt my privacy and blah blah blah.

    We should only have the features we need, you know, the ones Apple invented. They know what we need...

    If it wasn't invented by Apple then its bad.

  • by dudpixel ( 1429789 ) on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @11:16PM (#35499816)

    From the article: "Citing fears over a lack of an industry standard, "

    From wikipedia: []

    so these claims turn out to be bogus...who knew? could it be that Apple doesn't like it because Apple doesn't control it?
    Also, its an open standard...oh noes.

    But Apple didn't leave us guessing as to their real motive:
    From the article: "But Apple isn't completely abandoning the idea of mobile payments. Instead, the company plans to implement its own contactless payment technology"

    and to finish off (and prove the GP correct):
    From the article: "the company's answer to mobile payments will run through its iTunes store. This would likely allow the company to reap a portion of transactions, as is the case for many products purchases through iTunes."

    The "leopard" never changes its spots.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @11:17PM (#35499820)

    You apparently don't understand the security problems.

    They've been doing contactless train passes in Japan for a couple of years now, and, even with that, the security is ridiculous. In Japan, no less.

    The train companies had to abandon one kind of contactless card because they are so easy to crack. They're going to have to abandon another, which is going to cost them a huge amount of money re-tooling gates.

  • Re:Smart move... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dudpixel ( 1429789 ) on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @11:39PM (#35499972) []

    Just because Apple say there isn't a standard doesn't mean you have to blindly believe them.

    About time the iDrones started using the grey matter between their ears and thinking for themselves again.

    Its got ISO certification and everything, and the support of most manufacturers in the industry.

    I'm not sure what part of it Apple consider to be not a standard....?

    oh wait...they want to build their own incompatible system, and they want to profit from it. business as usual for Apple.

    complaining about lack of industry standard and then proposing to create your own standard that will only work with your own devices...kind of hypocritical isn't it?

  • by dudpixel ( 1429789 ) on Tuesday March 15, 2011 @11:42PM (#35499990)

    but surely we can, you know, turn it off when not in use. or have it manually activated at time of purchase.

    and Apple aren't avoiding it on those grounds, they are avoiding it because they want to do their own incompatible system that they can profit from.

    time for you to give the if-its-not-apple-i-dont-like-it reflex a rest sir.

  • by currently_awake ( 1248758 ) on Wednesday March 16, 2011 @12:00AM (#35500094)
    If you lose your wallet the cash is gone. If you lose your phone the thief can run up thousands of dollars in PHONE charges. If you lose your contactless payment device: the thief can spend till your daily limit, or until the police track him down by the built in gps, or until you remotely disable the device. Also there is no reason your phone couldn't have a passcode required to spend money or to spend over a transaction/daily limit. Given the choice the lost contactless payment device might very well be the cheaper theft.
  • by dafing ( 753481 ) on Wednesday March 16, 2011 @02:53AM (#35500878) Journal

    ...the tech world has learned to move on with or without Apple.

    What kool aid did YOU drink? I'll stick to my Apple Water [] thanks :-)

    Where would Samsung, HTC and "the rest" be without the iPhone? Windows Mobile 6. something? ;-) Shit, those idiots cant even get tablets out to compete with the now SECOND generation of iPad!

    They cant keep up, much less innovate, without Apple

  • Re:Wrong (Score:4, Insightful)

    by vlm ( 69642 ) on Wednesday March 16, 2011 @07:25AM (#35501868)

    The whole point of the contactless payment systems is you wave your phone over something and it's paid for.

    I never understood the whole point of contactless payment, in that I'm already burning 30 minutes driving there, an hour walking around, at least ten minutes standing in line, perhaps ten hours of labor at work to pay for it, and thats all OK, but 2 seconds to pull out my wallet, WELLLLLL thats just an insurmountable obstacle, what do you expect me to climb mt Everest here, that's crazy talk, gimme a contactless system or I'll never shop here again?

    The other mystery I never understood is I always have a backup plan. My visa card got stolen or declined or whatever (actually happened to me once in the 90s) thats no problemo I got a mastercard right here, and an american express too. And cash. And a check card. Furthermore I will not bore you with the details but I "need" to use certain cards at certain places because one gives the most cash back at the gas station, the other gives the most cash back at the convenience store, and the other is a "shared" card for shared family expenses such as food store. So a contactless system for me will have to hold multiple accounts and I'll have to F around with some manner of menu system to select which I want/need to use and hope I get it right each time. Of course it would be a hell of a lot faster and easier to pull out my wallet and whip out the correct card.

    Finally I don't understand this whole "I don't want to carry a wallet only my cellphone" thing. First of all until they put drivers licenses on contactless it would be illegal for me to be outside of my house without my wallet for all practical concerns, because how would I get there other than driving without a license? Next, assuming you're somehow legally outside without ID, in some states (although not mine) if you're the wrong skin color and you have no ID, the cops will put you thru absolute hell up to and including attempts at deportation ... or you could just carry your wallet. I could go to the bar without my wallet, thats fantastic, err uh, well actually I don't care, but I can't anyway because they'll want to card me, so I guess I'm bringing my wallet.

    It does seem like a very expensive solution in search of a problem.

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