Dropbox 1.0 Finally Released 307
Zack writes "Dropbox has finally released version 1.0. The new version comes with hundreds of bug fixes, including invalid file names on Windows, weird Unicode normalizations, Word and Excel file locking, abnormal symlinks hierarchies, and case sensitive file systems on Mac. It also adds TrueCrypt support, a Rainbow Shell that offers support for extended attributes, selective sync, a new installation wizard, and reduces resource usage."
What is it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Neither the summary nor the "article" (from which the summary appears to be lifted near-verbatim) makes any mention of what Dropbox is. Very useful, Slashdot!
Re:What is it? (Score:5, Informative)
Dropbox is several things at once, so I forgive your confusion :)
First, it's a cloudbased fileserver. You can upload your files and it will keep 2GB or more of them on the cloud (S3) for you to access. Not a big deal so far. If you pay money, you get much more space.
However, you can also give other people access to your files. And it will keep all the versions of your files. This is a bit more interesting.
THe real winner for me is that it's also a tool that you install on your PC or Mac or Linux machine. It will then use one folder (located under My Documents) and everything you store in there will be synced to the cloud. Version control and all. The tool will also inform you of any changes and if youre on a LAN with someone else whos syncing files, it will be synced to your PC directly.
Currently Im using DropBox to sync music files to a group of friends, and software updates to my customers who all have a link to a directory in the Dropbox directory.
However, the main thing I use it for is to sync ALL of my projectfiles with several other co-workers who only work on my project for a few days a week. One of them introduced me to DropBox. If anyone changes anything, I get a notification. Anyone makes an update you don't like, you can restore any previous version to any location you like. And it works without intruding, logs you on automatically and generally you don't even see it's there.
The onliest gripe I have is that you can't use TWO accounts, one for personal and another for business use, to link with the tool. And that all of the folders that you have a right to, are counted towards your total. So if a friend grants you access to his account and he stores 60 GB, you can still read but not upload anything else. Apart from that, it's a great utility.
And mobile devices... (Score:5, Informative)
THe real winner for me is that it's also a tool that you install on your PC or Mac or Linux machine.
Plus, clients for iPad/iPod, Android and Blackberry (along with basic access from anything that can download from the web).
Its about the easiest way to get files on and off an iPad - its a crying shame that Apple don't add "export to DropBox" to the mobile iWork Apps. Its very easy to use by (e.g.) people who would run a mile from rsync.
I've hit a few headaches when trying to use it for collaborative work - some may be addressed by the new file locking fixes, others have really been PEBKAC [wikipedia.org] which can't really be blamed on the software - e.g. person puts latest file in dropbox folder, emails everybody to say latest file is in dropbox, doesn't check that dropbox is actually connected and syncing...
There's a related issue for Macs in that, as far the Mac is concerned, the dropbox is a folder on your hard drive, so when you drag files in and out of there the default is to move, not copy - which is not usually what you want (especially when dragging files out).
An option to share "read only" would be nice...
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Are you going to clarify every submission now? Cos that sounds like what you're volunteering for.
I clicked the link to Dropbox from the article and read up about it, which was a link to the blog. I understand it's just the what's new announcement, but your description and the what's new page make them sound like completely different applications. I did enough work to try to find out more about this thing, and still came back with the wrong idea. *That* is the problem here.
Why even post something in thi
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Actually, they are my own CD-rips. I still own a lot of CD's from the pre-RIAAA days, when I used to buy CD's. And I don't download much (I don't like the hassle with bittorrent etc.), except the free stuff from people like Alexander May (http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/946). Actually, most of the music I listen to comes from YouTube at the moment.
Uploading my CD's isn't legal, but I really couldn't care less. And if Amazon decided to ban me, on what basis would they do that? I'm not their customer, don't h
Re:It's cloud marketing bullshit (Score:4, Insightful)
While I'm just as allergic to using the term "Cloud" for everything as most IT-professionals, in this case it's running on Amazon's S3 service. That qualifies as "cloudbased" to me.
As for the FTP, CVS etc.: you're right ofcourse, it all exists in one form or another. However, it's the same in the same sense as the Apple iPhone 4 being just a processor, some RAM, and a miniature radio. Cobbled together, ofcourse.
The point is: the sum of the parts is very much better than all of the parts taken separately. I was reluctant to install yet ANOTHER app but after installing this one I was pretty much hooked on it. It fullfills a pretty specific purpose and does that quite well.
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Re:What is it? (Score:4, Funny)
Dropbox.com is the new Zombo.com. You can drop anything at Dropbox.com.
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Re:What is it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Welcome to the age of google. Try not to hurt yourself.
http://www.google.ca/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=dropbox [google.ca]
No. Simply, no. At least I make the decision to find out more about it (with Google) or not based on what information the writer cares to give to me immediately. If he doesn't care enough about it to even try to get me interested by just telling what it is, I'm not going to waste my time on it either. It can't be anything very interesting.
Re:I see your clue and raise you one (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll just pull out my Brutally Honest Dictionary, 2nd Edition here...
I'll do the same.
The OP never asked what dropbox is.
The summary sucks. Yes, it sucks. And so does the article. You know why they didn't say what it does? Because they are lazy. The entire "article" is just a reprint of the information from the dropbox site, but at least the original article links to dropbox, as opposed to the summary which links to the Techpub article. So it appears the intents of the submitter is not to give us any kind of information, but to generate page hits on Techpub.
I come to slashdot because it's a news aggregate site, and I don't feel like doing the looking and researching myself. If I end up having to do all the research myself, what's the point of coming here in the first place, other than to Troll the discussion... (I think I just answered my own question, especially looking at the tone of your posts).
Just for the record, I'm not the same AC commenting earlier.
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How does anyone not know what DropBox is?
I figure it probably has something do with Dropbear and BusyBox. I mean, if it's not, why on earth did they choose name "DropBox", which is clearly combination of these two names?
(Yes, I do know what DropBox is at least superficially, so the "why on earth..." question above is actually valid, at least if you take the position that everybody should now every well known software package name.)
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Why would anyone? I've never heard of it. Drop box is the name given by a few operating systems to a write-only default share (i.e. something that other users can drop files in, but can't browse, download or delete things from), but it doesn't seem to be related to this fairly common usage.
Reading the comments, it seems to be some kind of remote share thing hosted in Amazon's S3 system, but that doesn't explain why I'd trust it with my data. Is it like tarsnap, encrypting your files as they are upload
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It is common knowledge and assumed you know what it is. If you don't then please leave the site.
How arrogant. Its a very valid criticism that the summary failed include any indication whatsoever WTF DropBox is. The point of a summary should be to give you enough information to decide whether you want to investigate further. Its more excusable (but still annoying) if you're talking about (say) some obscure branch of the Java acronym thicket, but DropBox is a firmly user-facing product.
We're not talking about including a 1000-word essay here, just "Version 1.0 of DropBox (the cross-platform, cloud-ba
And what does it do? (Score:5, Insightful)
Gah! Would it kill you to let us know what the heck it does?
Let's examine the announcement: Dropbox has finally released version 1.0 (but what is it?). The new version comes with hundreds of bug fixes, including invalid file names on Windows, weird Unicode normalizations, Word and Excel file locking, abnormal symlinks hierarchies, and case sensitive file systems on Mac (yeah, but what does it do?). It also adds TrueCrypt support, a Rainbow Shell that offers support for extended attributes, selective sync, a new installation wizard, and reduces resource usage (Awesome! But what does it do?)."
Follow the link and get a great press release. Let's examine *that*:
Huge performance enhancements (but what does it do?) Better user experience (Great! Is it something I could use?) Selective Sync (Also good. Is it useful for something?) Extended Attribute Sync (Another useful feature... or something.)
Follow the link to the Dropbox website, and you find this useful summary:
Our highest quality yet! (Good on you! What's it do?) Huge performance enhancements (Wonderful. Is that important?) Better user experience (Ok, this is just a copy of the press release.)
Go to the Dropbox "about" page, and get all kinds of interesting info:
Dropbox was founded by Drew Houston and Arash Ferdowsi in 2007, and received seed funding from Y Combinator (Academically interesting. What does it do?). Today, Dropbox is well-funded by Sequoia Capital, Accel Partners, and Amidzad (Also good. For what?). Since launching publicly in September of 2008, we've attracted millions of users and are growing rapidly (Growing is good. Do you have a purpose?). We've been featured in the New York Times and on TechCrunch, and have won awards from places like PC Magazine and CNET (Great! Publicity is good. What's it do again?).
Our passion is making a product that rocks and putting it in millions of people's hands (Again, good on you. Still looking for a description of the product...).
If you're interested in joining us, we're looking for more talented people to join the Dropbox team, so be sure to check out our jobs page (Not right now. Can you give me some info on the product?).
Going to the home page is equally enlightening. An enormous button invites me download the product, or watch a video of some sort.
Sorry guys, but I don't download something unless I at least know what the heck it's supposed to do.
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Re:And what does it do? (Score:5, Interesting)
The dropbox home page has a huge, prominent video right in the middle of the page. Did you try watching that? It explains pretty well what it does.
This is true, but a single paragraph could have done the same for those of us that resist clicky-clicky on long-winded promotional multi-media (especially when a single paragraph would have done the job...).
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To be honest, the unlimited free webspace sounds worth it by itself, although I'd imagine the service to be aggressively ad-supported and I don't know if
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a single paragraph could have done the same for those of us that resist clicky-clicky on long-winded promotional multi-media (especially when a single paragraph would have done the job...)
Ah, but how do you know it's long-winded or promotional, or redundant with a single paragraph, until you click on it?!?
Come to think of it, how do you know it's multimedia? Maybe there's no text or sound in it! I guess if that were true, it would probably be even less clickworthy.
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Plus, if you follow your logic through to the end, why would Slashdot tell us what they changed
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It's considered a staple of decent journalism to give at least a few words of explanation of what you're talking about for the convenience of readers who aren't already familiar with the subject.
I agree but Slashdot hasn't ever had decent journalism before. Why are you expecting it now? ;-)
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The dropbox home page has a huge, prominent video right in the middle of the page. Did you try watching that?
I also tried to find a description, and failing that I stumbled upon that ginormous button. No, I haven't even considered watching the video. If a company with 30 employees and VC financing can't write one paragraph of text then I'm not interested in their videos.
Besides, a whole lot of people on Earth can passably read English, with a dictionary perhaps. In worst case they can print it and show
Re:And what does it do? (Score:5, Insightful)
Because most of us aren't morons who need to have a full multimedia presentation with cartoons and pretty animations in order to just learn what a product and/or a service does. In this particular case a single sentence would do just nicely: dropbox is an online file repository that also provides a software program that automatically keep files in sync in multiple computers. Nothing more, nothing less.
Re:And what does it do? (Score:5, Informative)
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If I weren't going to use dropbox I'd personally go back to http://www.rsync.net/ [rsync.net] because their support is awesome, it's cheap and while it has no free option it sounds li
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and find out in about 20 seconds that its put in #user home#\My Documents\dropbox\ you also can open the little tray applet and use the "open dropbox folder" function
Publisher's Description (Score:4, Informative)
Dropbox is the easiest way to store, sync and share your files online and between multiple computers.
Dropbox works just like any other folder on your computer, but with a few differences.
Here's how it works:
Your files are always safe. All data is transferred over SSL and encrypted with AES-256 before storage.
Dropbox keeps track of every change made to any of its contents. Any changes are instantly and automatically sent to any other computer linked to your Dropbox. The Dropbox clients for Windows, Mac and Linux all play nice with one another too!
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They have to be able to encrypt/decrypt on the server because they offer a web interface to download & upload files. Now, if the key is permanently stored or generated on-demand from the account's password, I don't know.
I just use encfs to encrypt some files before syncing them. Just use a subdirectory of the Dropbox directory as the encfs storage, and then any file copied to its mountpoint is automatically encrypted and synced.
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You know, it's almost as if they're afraid to commit to concrete definitions or something...hmm...do you suppose that perhaps even they don't have a clear idea of what the thing is?
Perhaps they could hire the "help I've fallen and I can't get up" ad agency. They are in desperate need of an identifiable problem (e.g. a broken hip) on which to hang their solution.
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Why do you have to keep asking what they precisely look like?
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It also adds TrueCrypt support, a Rainbow Shell that offers support for extended attributes, selective sync, a new installation wizard, and reduces resource usage (Awesome! But what does it do?)."
I don't know how you could be confused, it's all very straightforward.
You got some seashells or snail shells that are dull and lacking color? Rainbow shell takes care of that. You click a box, and a team of painters is alerted to paint any and all shells you have in your house.
Selective sync is a sync that is just very picky.
The new installation wizard was trained at hogwarts to install household appliances. He doesn't use magic to do it, but he gets to your house using magic, so you don't have to wait a
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The new installation wizard was trained at hogwarts to install household appliances...
Thank you for that. That was the first thing on Slashdot that made me laugh out loud in... weeks, I think.
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I eventually played the video and towards the end of it I began to get an idea what Dropbox is: a cross-platform shared drive (like X-drive was for Windows?) hosted by a 3rd party.
Useful if you don't have Samba or NFS and VPN.
They're not getting my music collection!
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It's actually more useful than that. When you edit or create a file it updated on your hard drive first and uploads to the server in the background. When you turn on another machine it downloads the changes from their blazing fast server. Because it's then on your hard drive it's much more responsive than other network storage solutions.
So it's godsend if you have a slow or asymmetrical Internet connection, doesn't require an always-on server, will work even without a connection and is generally much more r
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Yeah, you actually have to click on download from the page linked in the article to find out what it does. Even on their main website, you're presented with is a big download button without any explanation. http://www.dropbox.com/ [dropbox.com] You can watch a video (I didn't) that may enlighten you. If you follow the link in the article to their download page you get...
"Dropbox allows you to sync your files online and across your computers automatically.
Put your files into your Dropbox folder on one computer, and th
would be nice... (Score:3)
...if you could run your own dropbox server instead of it all ending up on S3.
Or sub in an NFS, SAMBA, Windows file server, etc. for the backend.
To pass several gigs across the office, it's a massive waste to send it up to S3 and back down again.
Re:would be nice... (Score:5, Informative)
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Actually dropbox is smart enough that if two computers are visible to each other on a lan they will directly sync to each other instead of going out to dropbox's server.
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Thank you. I have been looking for something like that for ages! I hope it turns out to be what it claims to be. (invite only at the moment so can't try it)
For people who can't be bothered to google it, their site is here [aerofs.com] and their blog [posterous.com] explains it pretty well: it is a p2p (although they offer cloud services as well. No pricing details for that though) file syncing tool with full 1024bit RSA encryption.
Hardware category? (Score:5, Funny)
Impenetrable (Score:5, Insightful)
I click on the link...
Oh, so are invalid file names a bug or a feature? Why would I want to lock Word and Excel files? I know what they are but I don't use them. I don't use abnormal symlinks hierarchies or a Mac either.
So I click the first link 'Dropbox' which goes to (wait for it...) "The Dropbox blog"
You get the idea. It goes on and on. How can these people talk so much and say so little?
The first link from this page: Dropbox Home. This looks promising, it goes to https://www.dropbox.com/ [dropbox.com]
Here is the text of the page:
Oh, ok. So from this I gather that it's some sort of file sync application which needed a major rearchitecture before it could be released at version 1.0.
Almost all of the viewable area of the page is taken up by a giant video play button. Well, believe it or not I actually use my computer for computing and not as a television. I also like it to be halfway secure, so I don't have any Adobe products such as Flash installed. I do know how to read and it is several times faster. I'm not watching some video made by people who can't complete the sentence "Dropbox is ...".
I still don't get it, except that it syncs files and the people who made it should probably cut back on the Red Bull and talk to someone outside the office who hasn't been making and eating their own dog food for eighty hours a week for the last year.
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As I said earlier in this thread... if you don't know what dropbox is, you are way behind the leading curve.
This can be good or bad depending on how you are ;).
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If you would do a little research before opening your mouth, you would see what their value is.
HINT: Integration.
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According to Wikipedia, "Dropbox is a Web-based file hosting service operated by Dropbox, Inc. which uses cloud computing to enable users to store and share files and folders with others across the Internet using file synchronization."
According to Wikipedia, "Cloud computing is Internet-based computing, whereby shared servers provide resources, software, and data to computers and other devices on demand, as with the electricity grid. Cloud computing is a natural evolution of the widespread adoption of virtu
Autoupdate feature (Score:2)
XBMC Dharma 10.0 Also Released (Score:3)
No clue why this was posted but not the announcement by XBMC. They finally released Dharma. Numerous improvements across the board compared to the last stable.
http://xbmc.org/theuni/2010/12/18/xbmc-10-0/ [xbmc.org]
I submitted it this morning, but it was rejected.
Free, open alternatives? (Score:2)
Basically, I am looking for something that will not only back up my photos (and track file renaming/moving), but also offers me the option to sync photos between PCs. Think my sister automagically sharing pictures of her children with my mom, etc. Finally, it should run on Linux and Windows and either be really easy to use or just work in the background.
Also, I want a pony.
I am constantly amazed that there isn't _something_ which offers this. After all, I can not be the only one with those problems, can I?
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unison is a reasonable file synchronizer. It isn't nearly as easy to use.
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I'll have a look, thanks :)
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rsync (plus a git repo) can give you the basic features of Dropbox
Open source software is not know for good user friendly UI's though (there are exceptions) which is why Dropbox is so popular
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Yes, and I am using that. Yet, it's not for my mom. Joey Hess built a file tracker on top of git. I will need to look at that again, as well.
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I am constantly amazed that there isn't _something_ which offers this.
Google photos + Picasa do that, for years now.
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You are still giving away your photos to a third party. Plus, you are limited to 1 GB of space or you need to buy extra. I would rather invest that money into my own gear than hand it over to someone else. Especially since half a dozen people would need accounts, which adds up quickly.
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Ubuntu One? There's a beta client for windows. Not sure whether it allows 'partial' synching.
What's wrong with dropbox? It does all that. You can share files with other people as well. I used it quite heavily to have something common between my partitions and my computer.
The pony will be a bit harder...
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Neither U1 nor Dropbox are FLOSS. You can host neither yourself. I don't want pictures of my family floating around third party sites. And I don't want to pay anyone else for what is basically a backed-up hard drive. I can do that myself. I just need something my mom can use, too.
What is "TrueCrypt Support"? (Score:3)
Exactly what does truecrypt support mean?
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Exactly what does truecrypt support mean?
It's encrypted. Truly.
What DropBox does (Score:5, Informative)
I hate sites that make you watch a video, instead of just telling your what they do. However, DropBox really is a very nice service, so here is what they should have said, in place of the video:
DropBox is a file synchronization service. Install it on multiple computers, and synchronize your files automatically. The files are also accessible directly from the DropBox website, in case you need access from third-party computer.
Here is what it does: You select a folder on your computer that should be automatically synchronized online. Any changes made to files in this folder are - at the next opportunity - sent to your DropBox account. If you use multiple computers, put the DropBox service on all of them, and they are kept in sync. with each other. The Linux support is excellent, you can sync cross-platform (Linux/Windows), your files are encrypted, DropBox maintains previous versions for 30 days (with a paid account, previous versions are maintained forever). Most importantly, it "just works".
I tried a lot of different synchronization tools and services (Unison, JungleDisk, etc.). This is by far the best. Note: I have no connection with them - I am just a very happy customer.
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If you go to the "tour" section of the website (really smal link at the bottom of the main page) or the "features" section, right at the top you get the text "Dropbox is software that syncs your files online and across your computers".
I've noticed on practically all websites these days the front page is mostly useless and you need to look for a link labeled with some synonym of "about" or "FAQ" to figure out what exactly the program is.
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MS Synctoy clone (Score:2)
Files are dead. (Score:2)
This tool only seems to work with files. If I examine my own computer use, I see that I don't use files directly anymore. I edit/manage my photos with Aperture, it doesn't matter to me where they are on my hard drive. I manage and play music in iTunes. I'm happy to let it manage the files, because it's a pita to manage a huge music collection by hand. At work I work with Visual Studio and TFS. Yes, I know what my local working folder is, but I don't have to. Whenever I need to edit a document, the fastest w
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Integration of all those apps with semantic desktop technologies would solve all those problems and more ;)
Hardware? (Score:2)
How does Dropbox hanle conflicts? (Score:2)
DropBox alternative: SpiderOak (Score:4, Informative)
I am in no way affiliated with SiperOak, just a satisfied user. The only thing I worry about with SpiderOak and Dropbox is what kind of lifespan they have. Will they still be around in 5 - 10 years?
Dropbox is brilliant & essential for iOS users (Score:2)
I've used iTool/.Mac/MobileMe since its inception and used a password-protected public folder for work over the past couple of years. Although I found it extremely useful to have all my business documents in the Apple cloud, the WebDAV performance was/is rather poor. I could mount the share, but actually opening the files from the share was a glacial process.
Despite the upgrades over the years, the cloud storage of MobileMe remains sluggish to access from anything but the fastest of connections (though th
Re:Dropbox folder (Score:5, Informative)
This isn't how Dropbox is really intended to function. The idea is that you keep a file structure as child to the drop box directory. Therefore, whenever you modify files within that hierarchy, they are automatically updated. I have my school and research directory as child to my dropbox directory and find it to be a god send.
Re:Dropbox folder (Score:5, Informative)
You can symlink instead of copying, no duplicate files and keeps your directory structure. I also set dropbox' folder to a hidden path: ~/.dropbox-sync, so it wont clutter my home.
Re:Dropbox folder (Score:5, Informative)
You can symlink instead of copying
Just to clarify, Dropbox does not recommend putting symlinks in the Dropbox folder itself. (When modified on another computer, it may get overwritten with just a normal file when re-synced, among other potential problems--I've had this problem with files, though I've had better luck with folders.)
Instead, move the folder (or file) to the Dropbox folder. Then, create a symlink to this location in the Dropbox folder at your desired original location. This is easy to do on Linux/OS X if you know the command line; on Windows NTFS, there is the DropboxFolderSync add on to ease the process, since NTFS links themselves are somewhat sketchy to deal with.
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Link Shell Extension makes it as easy to do as it is in linux, just right click in the right places and you're good to go. The only real trick is getting your head around the way they work.
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The one thing I don't like about Dropbox (which is why I use Syncplicity) is that one must drop one's files into the Dropbox folder. This becomes a problem because it creates a duplicate of the file which just seems to waste space.
OTOH, anything synced by DropBox is being entrusted to the cloud, so confining it to a single folder is probably sensible. Part of Dropbox's USP is that it is pretty user friendly - its not really trying to replace rsync or git for power users.
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Then you're using it wrong. What I do is simply keep the files I want synced in one of the dropbox folders and work on them directly - no dupes and problem solved.
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Since it copies the files to all the devices you have dropbox on, if the account gets shut down, you still have the files on each device.
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So, you can use the free version, but if you do, make sure you don't store anything of value because it might go "poof" without notice.
I too read the fine print in TOS, which is why I don't use itunes. If I want to build nuclear weapons using my mp3 library [gizmodo.com], who is apple to tell me I can't do that?
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I am always amazed by how often nuclear arms turn up in day to day contracts. Both my home and auto policies have sections limiting the insurer in the even of nuclear attack. Somehow I feel if my home or car has been damaged in such an event filing an insurance claim, won't be high on my list of things to do, that is if I, my insurer, and the rule of law even exist after such an event.
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If you aren't backing up your data to removable storage, then it is not valuable to you.
Indeed. The whole concept behind this type of thing and these "cloud" back-up schemes is flawed.
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https://www.dropbox.com/plans [dropbox.com]
You need to be logged in to see it. *sigh*
You can do lots of things to get more than 2 GB for free. Like telling friends.
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Getting an extra 250MB on Dropbox is easy. Just use the link in my sig to sign up, and you'll have a 250MB more than a normal free account.
AFAIK, all of their referral links work the same way. Feel free to Google yourself a different one.
(Yes, it's a dirty referral link. Yes, I get an extra 250MB as well. Is it spam or is it useful? *shrug*)
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Windows Live Mesh has all of DropBox' functinality, with more free online storage, except those two as far as I can see. It even works with OS X.
What about an iPad/iPhone client? No? Okay, Android - what, no again? Okay... well does it at least support Linux? No? How about OS X files that include resource forks - that's also a no?
I guess your definition of the word "all" is somewhat different than mine.
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2) The last time I checked, you could only sync one folder. The drop box folder. They cannot sync multiple folders:
http://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=5088 [dropbox.com]
Check again. I can do "selective sync", at least with OS X, and check the folders I want to sync online. That's actually one of the new features.
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/12/17/dropbox-1-0-available-with-performance-enhancements-selective-s/ [tuaw.com]