AppleTV Runs iOS, Already Jailbroken 299
Wired has noted that "Soon, thanks to the tireless efforts of the iPhone Dev Team, you will be able to install apps on your AppleTV. An upcoming Jailbreak tool, called SHAtter, has already been used to unlock the new Apple TV's firmware." The units are supposedly now shipping. I have a lot of questions about the device (like how will it handle the photo screen saver if your local machines are offline) but hacking it might make the thing more usable (divx please, and how about letting my screen share my desktop to my TV?).
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Prosthetics (Score:2)
I don't wanna know what discount wholesaler you're getting your body parts from.
In some less developed countries, people with an amputation or congenital limb difference use a simple hook arm or a peg leg. But most of them probably can't afford an Apple TV.
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I don't wanna know what discount wholesaler you're getting your body parts from.
I do.
Gluttons for abuse (Score:4, Insightful)
Tragic, of course, that people would buy something so crippled and locked down they must "jailbreak" it to make it more useful.
Certainly this is effort better spent improving solutions that are more open from the get-go?
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Separate demographics.
Demographic 1 is my parents. I'd easily get them one of these. Just like I got them a MacMini and put it in SimpleFinder or an iPod nano (1G) and Shuffle (2G). Say what you want about "Windows and Linux are just as easy", but I have never gotten a support call about anything. Heck my mom (technophobic) figured out her iPod all by herself. I had to walk my GF through Lucid's install. She was patient, but it's something my parents wouldn't have stood for.
They replace their BlockBuster/Re
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Say what you want about "Windows and Linux are just as easy", but I have never gotten a support call about anything.
I never got a support call from my grandpa about Ubuntu on his desktop either, and it's been there for years. He's the kind of user that scratches his head when you tell him to open a web browser. He stares at you blankly when you ask him to type something in the address bar. His eyes glaze over noticeably when you tell him to Google for something. If he can use Linux comfortably for years without issue, your parents most likely can too.
This threadjacking is now over. We will now return you to your regularl
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Did you install it for him? Does his printing work (My GF had a Dell printer which didn't?)
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> Did you install it for him? Does his printing work (My GF had a Dell printer which didn't?)
Is this supposed to be an attempt to claim that a Mac does printing better than Linux?
If so then all you've done is just demonstrated a clear lack of understanding of how MacOS is put together.
Re:Gluttons for abuse (Score:5, Insightful)
That's a straw-man.
'People' do not buy something 'they must jailbreak'. The vast majority buy a product that they want because it does enough of what they want for it to be worth the price. The jailbreakers do what they do because they find some enjoyment in doing it. The people who use the product jailbroken are often just messing around. They use jailbreak because the can. Those that buy a product that does not meet their need, then use jailbreak to make the product meet their need are mythical, except perhaps when there are in fact no alternatives at all.
Frankly what's really tragic is that so many people insist on whining about products they clearly don't want instead of just buying and enjoying what they do want. It's also tragic that so many keep rationalizing their 'superior' choice by denigrating others.
Re:Gluttons for abuse (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm more concerned about people encouraging and supporting Apple's attitude of lock down and customer control.
Re:Gluttons for abuse (Score:4, Informative)
I don't understand why Apple gets a free pass on everything from many otherwise intelligent people on here whereas MS gets demonized regardless of what they do.
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Why? Setting aside this notion that anybody actually takes the position of 'I support lock down and customer control'. Why are you concerned?
Apple's approach doesn't preclude alternatives right? And open is better than closed right? So what's the concern? Whatever additional factors such as marketing, or fashion, anybody conveniently wants to blame for Apple's success, are these things unavailable to open products?
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Because if you hadn't noticed, pretty much every other vendor seems to be following Apple's lead. Both in hardware design and in the belief that lock down is good. That diminishes my ability to avoid lock down.
I wouldn't give a damn if vendors offered the ability to easily unlock their devices in a fashion similar to the Nexus One (or better yet, the N900) but not a single one does. They either force you to find a hole and exploit it or make it nigh upon impossible (Motorola loves this
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It's funny, because the problem is the same on both sides: Ego. Steve Jobs' planetoid ego permeates everything about Apple. However, having screamed and nearly smashed my jailbroken iPhone as it melted into a mess of cobbled-together crap in dependency chaos, it strikes me that the collective egos of the Jailbreakers are just as bad. They assume free is better in all cases, no matter if that means completely obliterating the actual intended purpose of the item in question or making the continued use of it s
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Well, yes I agree... except that for those of use who've gone and jailbroken their iphones... now we (or at least many of us) find it hard to live without the jailbreak. I wish Apple would be forced (I can't reasonably expect them to choose) to allow Cydia in the App Store. But... I'm not disagreeing with you, because I love my iPhone even without the jailbreak and I bought it with no expectation of jailbreaking it. I just love it now even more with the Jailbreak... and so I anxiously await the release of a
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Uhh. No.
A friend had one of the original Apple TV boxes. He jailbroke it to run XBMC on it, which he said made it much more useful. He told me he only ran the Apple TV apps when he wanted to access content from the iTunes store. Everything else, he used XBMC.
I jailbroke my XBOX to run XBMC. I had no interested in playing games, but the XBOX makes a decent media player with XBMC.
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FWIW, I bought the Xbox 1 because it was such a powerful media center after it was jailbroken, and that's the only reason I am now considering AppleTV. I can't wait for XBMC to get ported to it!
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No kidding!
So I can only assume you've never bought a videogame console, right? Or a handheld videogame system... or a cell phone... or a PMP.. or a PDA...
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N900. Not locked down from the start.
Lockdown on the iPods was added eventually, but the first one I bought I loaded iPodLinux on. No battle for control against Apple.
iPaq. Again, no lockdown. No battle against the vendor for control.
Seriously, how did everyone become convinced that lock down was the default state for all things? Surely we have not been fooled so badly?
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N900. Not locked down from the start.
Back in May, I went to three cell phone stores in my home town in the midwestern United States and none had an N900 for me to try.
or a PMP
Lockdown on the iPods was added eventually, but the first one I bought I loaded iPodLinux on.
No longer available for sale.
or a PDA
iPaq
Those are still in stock [hp.com], but the $299 model appears to have only 0.25 GB of flash compared to 8 GB of flash for the $229 iPod touch. And are there enough like-minded WM6 PDA owners to make developing software for WM6 PDAs viable?
"you've never bought a videogame console" (Score:2)
I countered with the point that this lock down trend is a completely new thing.
I apologize that the point missed me. The trend is not new in video game consoles, the one thing you didn't quote in your other comment [slashdot.org].
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Again, my point was to contradict the person I was replying to who suggested that all such devices were locked down. I countered with the point that this lock down trend is a completely new thing.
Apples lockdown of iPods have become more difficult to bypass as time has gone by, but it has been their intent and focus to lock the iPods to iTunes since the 1G 5gb card deck unit 7 or 8 years ago. The initial methodology was obfuscation of the media directory, which was easily bypassed by even the most novice of experimental users. But, none-the-less, they did lock down the first and every iPod since, just using more and more sophisticated methodology. Yeah, but this lockdown thing isn't a new thing.
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Indeed, it's easy to ignore the minority, especially if they have a point.
Indeed, back in 2003 before they released their later models and started on their lockdown kick.
No, why on earth would I?
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Meanwhile, have you or have you not bought videogame console or handheld?
No, why on earth would I?
Consoles have far more titles in some genres than PCs do. What's a good PC alternative to, say, Smash Bros. or Animal Crossing or Super Mario Galaxy? As for gaming handhelds, the only open ones (GP2X, GP2X Wiz, and Pandora) aren't sold in U.S. stores.
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Now that home computers are becoming re-united with TVs, that trend might reverse. While EA might snicker at "a Revo plus some wireless joypads", I could see Steam getting in on that action.
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I know they aren't like me. That doesn't justify Apple's (and Microsoft's, and Motorola's...) lock down. It serves only them and no one else.
I disagree. While I don't like involuntary lockdown (ie, I prefer the option to unlock my device if I so choose), lockdown serves one important purpose: It drastically decreases the likelihood of malware infecting the platform. You may see that as an insufficient excuse, but if I ever handed a computer to my grandmother, I'd rather it be a locked down iPad than a Wi
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Then don't buy Apple's hardware.
Likewise, don't want a locked-down game console? Then don't buy Sony's, Microsoft's, or Nintendo's console.
That's the joy of choice, there's always a competitor
What's the open competitor to the aforementioned consoles? What can I drag out to play video games on when my friends visit without PCs in tow?
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What's the open competitor to the aforementioned consoles? What can I drag out to play video games on when my friends visit without PCs in tow?
Way to artificially limit the discussion. Why would you exclude PCs as an option, given that's the obvious solution? Particularly given the high-powered, compact options available these days? Just get yourself a Revo and a couple USB joysticks, plug it into an HDMI-equipped display, and enjoy.
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Why would you exclude PCs as an option, given that's the obvious solution?
Because there is an apparent tradition [slashdot.org] among major video game publishers against developing PC games that support "a Revo and a couple USB joysticks". Instead, choosing "multiplayer" at the title screen takes the user to the Internet.
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> lockdown serves one important purpose: It drastically decreases the likelihood of malware infecting the platform.
No it doesn't. Sane OS design does.
This is why a Mac is no more insecure than an iPad despite being as much in the control of the user as a PC running WinDOS.
Malware is just an excuse meant to be convincing to rubes.
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They'll make choices that meet their needs, sure, but were systems this locked down ~20 years ago when I got into computers, I'd probably have gotten nowhere at all.
And, once again, I repeat, if the consumers don't like it, *they'll choose an alternative*.
20 years ago, lockdown was the norm. Finding a fucking *compiler* that didn't cost hundreds or thousands of dollars was completely impossible. But things changed. Why? Consumer choice.
So if the consumers don't like it, they'll choose something else. M
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> 20 years ago, lockdown was the norm. Finding a fucking *compiler* that didn't cost hundreds or thousands of dollars was completely impossible. But things changed. Why? Consumer choice.
Maybe on your planet.
Here on planet earth, 20 years ago: .. 1985 or so? (I think it was still called "Compass Pascal" then)
- Turbo Pascal was $50 since
- Basic was just disappearing from the DOS of the time (GWBasic), and reappearing as cut-down QuickBasic
- GCC version 1 was available
- Every computer before the IBM PC came
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> 20 years ago, lockdown was the norm. Finding a fucking *compiler* that didn't cost hundreds
> or thousands of dollars was completely impossible. But things changed. Why? Consumer choice.
You mean like gcc or sozobon?
If you are going to make up shit about the past, try to do it with people that weren't engaging in Usenet flamewars 20 years ago.
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I am actually amazed Apple has not used TrustZone and the no executable features of the ARM chipsets yet.
What is going to drive Apple to actually start doing the modifications to iOS to make it able to deal with the two world concept of TrustZone are most likely app pirates. Apple never cares about items like LockScreen, but what will get developers to abandon the iOS platform in droves are seeing apps they worked on being put on a site to be downloaded in bulk by freeloaders. Google has a secondary mecha
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> So I can only assume you've never bought a videogame console, right? Or a handheld videogame system... or a cell phone... or a PMP.. or a PDA...
Actually, my PMP is open in all of the ways that an Apple PMP isn't.
That is why it is the most used PMP in my family despite the fact that we have multiple generations of iDevices.
It beats out multiple iphones and the ipad in actually being used by end users.
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Tragic, of course, that people would buy something so crippled and locked down they must "jailbreak" it to make it more useful.
You're mistaking opinion for fact.
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>> Tragic, of course, that people would buy something so crippled and locked down they must "jailbreak" it to make it more useful.
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> You're mistaking opinion for fact.
Well? Can it play my DNLA shares? My AFS shares? My SMB shares? My BD rips? My DVD rips? My cable TV recordings? My OTA recordings? Grandmas vacation video?
It's good that the ATV is cheap because you need another box to handle what it won't.
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Tragic, of course, that people would buy something so crippled and locked down they must "jailbreak" it to make it more useful.
The iOS device - like the PS3 or Wii - is pefectly tuned for success in its core markets - and there the jailbreak doesn't happen because no one gives a damn about the OtherOS - or whatever else it is that the geek is pining for.
Unless, of course, that what the geek is pining for is a free copy of Fallout: New Vegas or the Blu-Ray screener of Iron Man 3.
The geek buys into the walle
Re:Gluttons for abuse (Score:5, Insightful)
The iOS device is not tuned like the PS3 or Wii, Apple is directly targeting iOS devices for general purpose mobile computing and home computing.
Indeed, but this does not justify heavy lock down.
You insult everyone who appreciates not having lock down, and everyone who has argued against DRM with that bullshit pro-MPAA/pro-RIAA style argument.
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I have a friend who thinks just like you do, and I will offer two rebuttals:
1. A lot of products are more useful if you use them not as intended. It doesn't mean the original use case is worthless, just that it can be made more worthwhile. I'm not supposed to use bittorrent to download copyrighted materials, doesn't mean it's worthless for distributing linux distros.
2. "Unofficial" uses give manufactures protection against legal attacks. Sure, giving an Apple product access to the App store isn't exactly st
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Sure! You could buy a pay-per-view box from your cable provider. Oh, wait....
Want it. (Score:2)
Might be good for games (Score:2)
I knew this thing was going to be a cool hacking toy.
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Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children and hitting them?
To hit your kids nowadays, you need to turn on the TV and put a fighting game into your console. Hacking gets the emulator to run so that you can play the fighting game.
Honest question (Score:4, Interesting)
Does it bother anyone else that Apple products are so quickly hacked? I don't mean from a security standpoint, I mean because people feel the need to hack them so they can do what they want.
Doesn't that mean they should just buy something that isn't so limited in the first place? Or is this one of those "we buy a locked device because we want to hack it" sort of things...
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Hackers target the audience, and that means whatever is popular. Apple is popular so it gets hacked earlier. Bragging rights etc
Re:Honest question (Score:4, Insightful)
Apache is popular, but IIS gets hacked earlier.
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This logic falls down when you consider the PS3 is/was fairly popular and yet took 4 years to hack.
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Worldwide sales:
PS3 ~ 38 million units
Xbox 360 ~ 41 million units
iPhone ~ 51 million units
Wii ~ 71 million units
The iPhone only has a third more sales than the PS3.
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Pretty close, but more along the lines of we buy a locked device because it is a challenge
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Pretty close, but more along the lines of we buy a locked device because it is a challenge
That explains the hackers who crack the system in the first place.
It doesn't explain the hordes who go "now it's been hacked, I'll buy one".
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Does it bother anyone else that Apple products are so quickly hacked? I don't mean from a security standpoint, I mean because people feel the need to hack them so they can do what they want.
Doesn't that mean they should just buy something that isn't so limited in the first place? Or is this one of those "we buy a locked device because we want to hack it" sort of things...
Two angles on this. I had a colleague a while ago who chipped Playstations, and had hundreds of pirated games on CDR. He never played any of them: he just got satisfaction from getting one over on The Man, I suppose.
The other angle is that sometimes -- maybe not in the case of Apple TV -- but sometimes, the closed platform is cheaper to buy than the equivalent open system. I use a chipped Xbox as a video player, because it would cost me much more (either money or time/effort) to buy/build something similar
PCs since 1987 have HDTV out (Score:2)
I use a chipped Xbox as a video player, because it would cost me much more (either money or time/effort) to buy/build something similar with TV out.
That might have been more convincing before 2007, or for lower-income families that replace broken TVs with thrift-store specials. But since 2007, virtually all new TVs that I've seen in Walmart* and Best Buy stores have had PC inputs, both VGA (for a PC's VGA out) and HDMI (for a PC's DVI-D out). Your complaint might be that apart from Acer's Aspire Revo and Apple's Mac mini, small-form-factor PCs aren't often sold in big-box PC stores or local PC stores.
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My reasonably new Toshiba TV has a VGA in, alright -- but I can't persuade my Dell laptop to give it a signal that'll fill the screen with no overscan and no aspect ratio distortion.
So the component video from the Xbox is far preferable.
Yeah if I put Linux on I could mess about with X modelines, but life's too short, and the Xbox just works.
Yeah, a new PC would have HDMI, but it wouldn't be cheaper than a Xbox, would it? (Talking an Xbox here, not a 360)
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What is this TV out you speak of? Here in 2010 we plug into the TV via VGA or DVI or HDMI. Just about every computer has one of those outputs.
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they can be cool, AND they can actually make it do something useful. Win-win ;)
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Doesn't that mean they should just buy something that isn't so limited in the first place?
What set-top media player is not locked? Next to nobody has a home theater PC if other people's comments [slashdot.org] are to be believed.
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I use a Mac Mini [flickr.com] in my home theater [flickr.com].
Apple TV is as close to having a direct channel from your bank account to Apple as anything I've seen yet. But a full on computer lets you watch all manner of free stuff. I don't see the appeal of Apple TV at all.
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I use a Mac Mini in my home theater
For the price of a Mac mini for one TV, I could buy appliances for six TVs.
a full on computer lets you watch all manner of free stuff.
Consumers in the United States tend not to assess the total cost of ownership; instead, they get sticker shock at the $599 price tag of a Mac mini compared to the appliances in the next aisle. Best Buy stores don't even carry Mac mini. Besides, consumers ask "what free stuff?" If you want to watch notable feature films made since 1923, it's still $9/mo for Netflix no matter whether you use it with a Mac mini or with an appliance.
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Does it bother anyone else that Apple products are so quickly hacked? I don't mean from a security standpoint, I mean because people feel the need to hack them so they can do what they want.
Doesn't that mean they should just buy something that isn't so limited in the first place? Or is this one of those "we buy a locked device because we want to hack it" sort of things...
Frankly, the "security" standpoint is the only one that bothers me.
I suppose jailbreakers who buy Apple stuff fall into three categories
1. People who think that the jailbroken device meets their needs better than alternatives, even though those don't require jailbreaking
2. People who jailbreak because they enjoy a challenge, want to "stick it to the Man", or are just curious
3. People who didn't do their research, bought the product, and only afterward realized that the product didn't meet their needs withou
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Big difference. Linksys does not care what you install on their routers. In fact, they sell some with larger flash space just for OSS based firmware distributions.
Apple does care, and takes active steps to patch JBs.
Re:Honest question (Score:5, Insightful)
Does it bother anyone else that Apple products are so quickly hacked? I don't mean from a security standpoint, I mean because people feel the need to hack them so they can do what they want.
Doesn't that mean they should just buy something that isn't so limited in the first place? Or is this one of those "we buy a locked device because we want to hack it" sort of things...
The AppleTV isn't "limited" to most people out there, only to geeks who poo-poo any devices that do anything less than their custom Linux HTPC. I've said this before: Apple doesn't implement features unless it can make them easy to use and understand and nicely designed. They don't start with a feature list and then make crappy implementations of them so they can add a bullet point to the list. They also look forward not backward and simplify where possible (eg. mandating use of h.264 instead of divx and hundreds of other formats.) If you find this approach philosophically abhorrent then use something else please and accept there are those of us that like it that way.
I don't think that's the reason people hack them anyway, they hack them because they can and for bragging rights.
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Also known as forcing new purchases, or taking a hit to quality from conversion.
I don't like how moving files in OSX via UI requires two finder views open. Or how you can't put folders on top by sorting. Or blah blah, a million things. They don't think these things through, they do them the way Steve wants.
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Also known as forcing new purchases, or taking a hit to quality from conversion.
That's bull. H.264 is the standard these days, except for pirate content or patent encumbered formats like MS' video formats. I can rip my DVD's into H264 quite handily without noticeable loss of quality.
I don't like how moving files in OSX via UI requires two finder views open. Or how you can't put folders on top by sorting. Or blah blah, a million things. They don't think these things through, they do them the way Steve wants.
All platforms have issues, it just happens that OSX is for me the best choice available. It's not perfect, just the best fit. You can strive for perfection but if you can't accept anything less than perfection you will lead a very unhappy life. And some of these things are subjective, like the man said: "Yo
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Actually, it bothers me from both standpoints.
It bothers me that the device has to be hacked to do what people want, and it bothers me that they're insecure enough that they can be jailbroken and forced to run arbitrary code with as little as a webpage view (ala jailbreakme.com).
Because people want to use these devices to do whatever they want, enormous effort is spent on jailbreaking them. This means that people with potential malicious intent could start exploiting the holes to do very bad things.
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FTFY. Seriously, people who read Slashdot are not regular people. We usually expect more, though some of us can still buy things understanding their limitations. I didn't buy a Mac mini thinking I could run Starcraft II on Ultra video settings and I didn't buy a Wii thinking I could play Halo Reach.
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I didn't buy a Mac mini thinking I could run Starcraft II on Ultra video settings and I didn't buy a Wii thinking I could play Halo Reach.
What set-top device should I buy thinking I can develop and distribute my own video games for it?
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No, it doesn't bother me. Apple has been in two businesses in recent times. They make computers and they use their interface, operating system, and hardware experience in order to make specialized consumer devices that are adapted computers. Apple does not operate in a vacuum and Apple, like everyone else, prefers to sell things profitably which may lead to other profitable sales. As a result, license and contract terms and their own understanding of their business model mean some entertainment formats or s
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In Apple's defense, I can also see that they would consider it a ghastly error to find themselves seated in a courtroom one day, being asked "You knew that by doing x, y, and z, one could make ${device} damage my client, and you did nothing about it?"
That's ridiculous, since such an argument could be made against any bit of technology created in the last thousand years.
It's not ridiculous, since such an argument has been made -- successfully -- against many bits of technology created in the last thousand years. Why do you think so many products come with a sticker, slip of paper in the package, or whole chapter in the instruction manual dedicated to moronic safety warnings about how you shouldn't try to stick the product up your ass, or smash it with a sledgehammer to slurp up the delicious chemicals inside it?
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They're hacked quickly because of 2 reasons. They're really popular (ego) and have capabilities suppressed on purpose (do more with them). It doesn't bother me that they're so quickly hacked - it's more of an annoyance to the people who fall into 1 of those 2 reasons and doesn't really effect those who don't.
So yeah, I agree with you.
But look at it on the flipside. SE's X10 is looking damn near impossible to hack and the need is there. To paraphrase your question; Does it bother anyone else that SE's X10 is
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Hack a Dell and nobody cares. Dell gets less than 1% of the news articles, I'll bet.
Hack an Apple, and you're already feeding into the just under 20% of the daily news articles. If you want to make a name for yourself, Apple is the way to go. If you do it for fun, odds are you won't be heard until you're working on an Apple product.
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I'd say they are pretty tough to hack. The iPhone 4 took almost 2 months to JB, even with the Dev Team having betas of the OS. Nobody else came close with a method to do this. 4.1 is still secure and most likely it won't be jailbroken until 4.2 comes out at the earliest.
So, Apple is getting their devices pretty well locked down as time goes on.
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Not especially as it means that Apple really isn't worried that much about people hacking them. I'm sure they could make it much harder to hack if they really wanted to.
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The whole reason Apple locks down their products is because they are security doofuses that know they are incapable of protecting their delicate OS in an open environment.
Or they put minimal effort into the "security" because they know it's "good enough" to keep the layman locked down, and they don't worry too much about the 1% of us who hack their stuff, because they know they can't really stop us anyway and it's not worth the effort.
So what? (Score:3, Informative)
It's only "already jailbroken" because the same iOS 4.1 issue used with the iOS 4.1 jailbreak that has already been developed works on this device, which is also running iOS 4.1.
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It's only "already jailbroken" because the same iOS 4.1 issue used with the iOS 4.1 jailbreak that has already been developed works on this device, which is also running iOS 4.1.
Not quite. The jailbreak currently being worked on is actually based on a bootloader hole. So this thing is already jailbroken presumably because it uses the same firmware as the iPhone, iPad, and Touch.
photo screen saver (Score:2, Informative)
Common sense ain't so common anymore (Score:2)
Sigh, how do people this stupid even function? Yes that's right, the Apple TV has no storage whatsoever just because they removed the hard drive. Flash memory doesn't exist, certainly it's never been used before in an iOS device. I've seen similar bleatings all over the internet "BUT NETWORKS AREN'T FAST ENOUGH TO STREAM VIDEO SMOOTHLY WITHOUT A BUFFER, OMG APPLETV FAIL". Kill me now.
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Woosh!
Not that you are incorrect, but... way to miss the point.
-dZ.
How much local storage? (Score:3, Interesting)
How much space is there for installing apps?
Want Open - Get a Cheap NetTop (Score:4, Insightful)
DivX? (Score:2, Informative)
What next, RealMedia and VQF support?
There's basically zero legal sources for DivX files, so why would Apple support that old format? H.264/AAC is the standard and has been for a few years already.
Even Handbrake dropped DivX support, for crying out loud.
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I see what you did there! You said he should have bought the white-walled tires, instead of the plain black ones if he wanted to have the +1 Ego boost.
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I see what you did there! You said he should have bought the white-walled tires, instead of the plain black ones if he wanted to have the +1 Ego boost.
Why? Is he going to cruise the miracle mile?
Geeks Can't Grok Tradeoffs (Score:5, Insightful)
Technically there's tradeoff between meeting more obscure customer demand vs. safety issues. If a business refuses to serve the steak bloody rare, then they piss off the steak geeks and lose potential revenue. Yet if the business allows undercooked meat, they lose the safety net of well-done meat that protects their customers from e-coli and the resulting bad press and lawsuits.
The food safety engineer understands food and also understands there's no right answer to the question of allowing bloody rare steak; the company gives up one thing to get another thing. What it really boils down to is what side of the tradeoff he's on and what balancing of the food equation best serves the needs of the target audience.
The food geek only understand food; he doesn't understand the concept of tradeoff. He screams and howls that the steak is unfairly being crippled and that he's not getting it his way and his freedoms are getting infringed upon by "the man" because it's easier to understand the concept of the "man" than an equation that must be balanced on both sides to produce the best results for the target audience, which in the case of Burger King and their lawyers doesn't happen to be him.
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> The food geek only understand food
No. The food geek understands that quality is quality. Either your product is good enough to be served or not. If you have to char the meat, then it isn't fit for consumption.
Grind it up and turn it into burgers or sausages.
Just don't pretend it's proper steak. You should probably not bother trying to serve steak at all.
Non-charred steak is hardly "obscure". You're just trying to hide your own mediocrity if you start making claims of those sort.
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Youu don say? [slashdot.org]
Bingo! (Score:2)
Why would I want to hack on a platform specifically designed not to be hacked?
There are plenty of hackable platforms out there for TV watching, Popcorn Hour, Captiveworks 4000HD, etc.
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Why would I want to hack on a platform specifically designed not to be hacked?
Because it's specifically designed not to be hacked. Duh. "Hacking" a device that's designed to be "hacked" isn't hacking. Adding a second hard drive or a new video card to your PC isn't hacking. Putting together a HeathKit isn't hacking. Installing Linux on a Windows box isn't hacking.
Turning a $10 transistor radio into a guitar fuzzbox is hacking. Using a Lunar lander for a return trip to earth, or putting a square peg in a roun
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Actually, the new AppleTV does have wireless just like the old one.
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