PS3 Hacked Using Official Controller 292
YokimaSun writes "The PS3 Hacking War took on a new turn few days ago with Sony releasing a new firmware that blocks USB devices, supposedly aimed at cloned PS3 Joypads, but more than likely to stop the efforts of hackers. Today the PS3 is now hackable using its own Sixaxis/DualShock 3 Controllers. How will Sony stop people now from playing emulators on the PS3?"
Give up (Score:4, Interesting)
Adopt the kindle attitude to hacking.
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Adopt the kindle attitude to hacking.
Kindle the hackers? While it might be an effective measure (however the church had to learn in the middle ages that it only works for some time; but then, I guess a few centuries would be enough for Sony), I don't think it's very legal. Also I think it would not give great publicity.
Konami Code (Score:5, Funny)
Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A
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"B A" is vital to the hack. Maybe your controller's already been patched by Sony?
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B A?
"I pity the fool who hack's my PS3"
I pity the fool who spell's all his word's with apostrophe's. English, motherfucker, do you speak it?
This is a text based forum, English, do you read and understand it?
Apparently, no.
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More than likely (Score:3, Funny)
This will be another firmware update and poof! All your base are belong to us!
Much thanks (Score:5, Insightful)
Many thanks to all the people who use their time, so that I can use my own hardware the way I want to!
Most obvious answer... (Score:5, Informative)
How will Sony stop people now from playing emulators on the PS3?"
Firmware updates.
3.50 still doesn't jailbreak. You can't go online with a 3.41 firmware either.
Re:Most obvious answer... (Score:5, Informative)
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You can't play games online. Netflix doesn't use DNAS, it just connects directly to Netflix's servers. I'd be willing to bet it's just a normal BluRay.
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It is. Evidence:
1. The disc shows up in the "video" section
2. Hitting the button that usually stops a video playing asks you (via the PS3, not the Netflix software) if you want to "quit playback", the same way it does if you hit it during any other video, and saying "yes" doesn't end the playback of the current movie or whatever, it drops out of the Netflix software entirely. The Netflix disc has to get around this by having another button be its "stop playing and go back to (our) menu" button. In other
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Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Insightful)
That's a great idea for those who don't have a PS3 yet. For the rest of us, Its a fight to use what we've already paid for. (and not purchasing future product from a locked down device)
I don't understand why you folks keep buying such consoles and other locked down devices. You're only encouraging the business model.
That's a great idea for those who don't have a PS3 yet. For the rest of us, Its a fight to use what we've already paid for. (and not purchasing future product from a locked down device)
That's disingenuous and you know it.
It was clear from the start that the PS3 was meant to be a locked down device and that Sony would resist any attempts to open it up. The only justifiable area in which people can reasonably complain that they were burned was the withdrawl of its Linux support (which was never sold as giving full access to the hardware's capabilities).
But this doesn't justify your implication of bait-and-switch over the general nature of the machine. The PS3 was locked down from the day it came it, and everyone knew it.
This smacks of people wanting to have their cake and eat it, i.e. wanting to complain on Slashdot about Sony's obnoxiously controlling and authoritarian hold on the hardware, then buying it anyway because when it comes down to it, shiny new tech trumps principles. (Same old Slashdotters' story). *Then* complaining that their machine- which they already own(!)- is locked down. Well, yeah. You knew that before you bought it.
(Disclaimer to tl;dr skimmers, this is not an endorsement of Sony's locking down the hardware, but a rebuttal to the implication that anyone who cared about the issue could ever have bought a PS3 imagining it would ever *not* be locked down).
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Insightful)
At the time the PS3 came out the choice was essentially consoles which were locked down but generally no-messing required and PCs which had all sorts of compatibility problems and a rising push towards online activation and other horrible protection schemes. At the time sony was being nicer (linux, 3rd party controllers) than the XBOX division of microsoft and had the games I wanted.
Could anyone have reasonably predicated that sony would be removing features (first linux support, then support for standard HID controllers) retroactively from existing consoles? I don't think any console manufacturer has done that before.
I agree those who buy a device in the era of updatable firmware and downloadable content under the assumtion that they can keep it both cracked and able to be used online and with the latest games are being very overoptimistic. The trouble is that those of us who just want to use the machine as originally designed are getting caught in the crossfire :(
Personally I find it all very sad, I like gaming but it all seems so much more painful these days.
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Check the archives. Researchers built a whopping supercomputer with ps3's.
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Didn't he US navy or something do this? It was freaking genious because it's the US government who can basicaly tell Sony to do anything they want or to GTFO.
It was extremely cheap and it needed only a few PS3's. Even if it would totaly break within a year it would totaly be cost effective ;)
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Insightful)
So why don't you file in small claims to get your money back? Chances are they'll simply give you, your money just to be done with you.
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Changes are they won't show up and there is little you can do except get the judgement.
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I also discourage family and friends for doing the same. Screwed once, my fault, twice is being idiot.
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The PS3 "otherOS" issue doesn't affect me. I quit buying Sony products temporarily when they did the root kit. Funny thing is, every year or two they give me a new reason to not buy their products, so the temporary is looking pretty permanent.
You know, I really don't miss anything. I still play all the games I can stand (Steam and other PC), and there are plenty of other companies making TVs, stereo gear and such. Nope, can't say I miss out on anything worthwhile.
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It's sad when Sony reduce the featureset on newer releases of consoles; they also did that with PS2-on-PS3 compatibility. But with the OtherOS option they reached out to previously purchased, working PS3s and disabled the OtherOS part of the featureset, which I think is a good bit more worrying. They can get away with this because it's a feature only geeks want currently but I expect to see more remote deactivations of features in consumer goods in future. Amazon removed 1984 and Animal Farm from people'
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Insightful)
Nerd rage? There is a world of difference between putting out a new product with fewer features than the older one and removing features from a product I've already purchased through the use of firmware updates.
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Informative)
Nerd rage? There is a world of difference between putting out a new product with fewer features than the older one and removing features from a product I've already purchased through the use of mandatory firmware updates.
Fixed that for you.
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I don't understand why you folks keep buying such consoles and other locked down devices.
Here's why [andriasang.com]
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I don't understand why you folks keep buying such consoles and other locked down devices.
So I take it you never played BF 1943?
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Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Insightful)
Allow me to help.
1) PS3 allows any hard drive, any video camera, any keyboard, any tablet, any printer, etc. It allows you to download random files from the internet, it allows you to play random files and store them on the hard drive, and it allows you to download PSN games onto up to 5 other consoles and let your friends play your games on their profiles. Compared to EVERY OTHER CONSOLE, the PS3 is the most free.
2) Most new games come out for consoles now, due to the fears of piracy on Computers and other non-locked-down devices. And for games that come out on console AND pc, the console has less security and more stable hardware targets. For example, most PS3 games have no 30 digit id codes, no constant Internet access required for single player games, and easy joining with friends with games.
3) Updates are not forced. If you wish to use every service available on the PS3 that worked before the last update, you can. It is only if you want the new features, the new games, and the new services on PSN that you have to upgrade.
4) The Other OS was only taken down AFTER someone started bragging about the ability to copy $60 PS3 games and play them. Until then, people could play emulators, PS1 games, PS2 games, n64, etc. Only 5-6 assholes who are too cheap to afford new games but feel deserving of free stuff ruined it for the rest of us. Or did you want Sony to let this turn out like the PSP, which is so hacked that almost no new games get released for it? They tried to open their system, and they got slapped for it.
So yeah, I bought a PS3 to play PS3 games. The fact that it had all these other benefits were just frosting on the cake. People bitched about the price, so Sony took $100 ps2 out of the system and sold it separately so you could enjoy PS1 and PS2 and not pay for it if you didn't want it.
Sorry, you can get back on your high horse about how evil Sony is. Just wanted to point out that out of all the evil companies out there, Sony is the only one letting you use generic parts and share purchases. Ooo, scary.
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Insightful)
They tried to open their system, and they got slapped for it.
Bullshit. They didn't "try to open their system." If they had had a proper way for people to code emulators or legitimate games for the PSP, and they hadn't been pushing that ridiculously stupid UMD as the game storage device (yeah I know, "DS has cartridges", but the DS doesn't have a cartridge slot that eats 30% or more of your battery life) then nobody would have had to spend the insane time trying to hack into the system.
Same thing happened with OtherOS. OtherOS didn't give proper access to certain parts of the system (video hardware especially). The end result was that the Linux guys were trying to find a way to get full access to the hardware. Full access for Linux would STILL not have done the pirates any good, since the games require PS3's OS to run on, but Sony decided to crippleware OtherOS. The end result was no surprise - someone figured out a way to get behind hypervisor and get complete hardware access, and the psychotic, paranoid people at Sony decided to strip OtherOS completely in response.
I'm convinced that what's really going on is that Sony hired behind the scenes one of those paranoid motherfuckers who was responsible for all the crappy Nintendo lock-down crap that resulted in shell companies during the NES and SNES days, blinky-blinky consoles when the "security chip" didn't read properly even on a real game, and then the horrible mistake of using cartridges and then tinydiscs for the N64 and Gamecube, driving all the 3rd party developers away.
they cripple OtherOS to preserve their revenues (Score:4, Insightful)
Sony get a licensing fee per game sold for PS3. They don't make money when you buy a PS3.
If you could use all the hardware from OtherOS, then developers would just ship their games to run under OtherOS and not pay any licensing fees to Sony.
So Sony crippled OtherOS, same as they crippled NetYaroze and PS2 Linux. But even uncrippled, OtherOS still sucked. By the time Sony yanked it, PS3 was $400 and vastly inferior to any Linux machine you could build for $400 (and took twice the electricity to run!).
UMD was stupid. Selecting spinning media right at the time when solid state storage became very cheap was a huge mistake. But that is not why people hacked PSP. People hacked PSP because they wanted to get games for free. This is the same reason they hacked GBA and DS, neither of which had spinning media.
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Informative)
> Updates are not forced. If you wish to use every service available on the PS3 that worked before the last update, you can. It is only if you want the new features, the new games, and the new services on PSN that you have to upgrade.
I call BS. My understanding of the matter is that if you want to use the PSN at all, you have to have current firmware. This includes online multiplayer for games you already have. If you refuse to update, you are locked out of playing online.
> The Other OS was only taken down AFTER someone started bragging about the ability to copy $60 PS3 games and play them... Only 5-6 assholes who are too cheap to afford new games but feel deserving of free stuff ruined it for the rest of us.
Another Sony apologist who says the hacking attempt was motivated purely by piracy. Nonsense. If the only people who wanted to crack the PS3 were pirates, then we would have seen a crack much earlier in the console's life, given that it apparently wasn't all that hard. Instead the cracking started after Sony removed OtherOS. Isn't that interesting?
> So yeah, I bought a PS3 to play PS3 games. The fact that it had all these other benefits were just frosting on the cake.
To you. There are also people who bought it largely because of these other benefits. Just because you don't personally care about them doesn't mean Sony is justified in removing an advertised feature after the sale.
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:5, Insightful)
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3) Updates are not forced. If you wish to use every service available on the PS3 that worked before the last update, you can. It is only if you want the new features, the new games, and the new services on PSN that you have to upgrade.
No you can't! It's not just "new services on PSN" that requires an upgrade. PSN itself requires it! Without upgrade, bye-bye PSN, yes, even for your old game you used to play on PSN before. Goodbye! Or upgrade. Seems totally unforced to you?
4) The Other OS was only taken down AFTER someone started bragging about the ability to copy $60 PS3 games and play them. Until then, people could play emulators, PS1 games, PS2 games, n64, etc. Only 5-6 assholes who are too cheap to afford new games but feel deserving of free stuff ruined it for the rest of us. Or did you want Sony to let this turn out like the PSP, which is so hacked that almost no new games get released for it? They tried to open their system, and they got slapped for it.
No one bragged about an ability to copy PS3 games via OtherOS, because no one could copy PS3 games via OtherOS! Sony used the hypervisor hack as an easy excuse to remove a feature they no longer cared about. Remember, it was removed from the Slim a long time before any hack!
Sorry, you can get back on your high horse about how evil Sony is. Just wanted to point out that out of all the evil companies out there, Sony is the only one letting you use generic parts and share purchases. Ooo, scary.
Sony consoles are also the only one to lose features over time.
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I don't own a console but I can understand the appeal. We have 6 computers in our home and in the last couple of months I've replaced a motherboard, a hard drive and a video card.
I specifically gave up on PC gaming due to the graphics card. Every year you would have to shell out $200 to make the most of the latest First Person Shooter (FPS). Plus my largest monitor is my TV and the PS3 is right next to it (unlike the PC). Of all the evils, the PS3 is surprising the lesser of all evils. (And the super parent is correct, I turfed my XBOX360 for a PS3 due to compatibility.) My PS3 works with my existing BT headset, KB, etc.
Now, if only the PS3 could run XBMC natively it would de
Re:Why not boycott PS3s (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't point the finger at them. They are the victims of bait-and-switch fraud by Sony, after all.
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I don't have to choose. I played Halo: Reach (well, the campaign, which was all I cared about), and now I'm playing Civ V. :D
Or trying to play Civ, anyway. Fucking game keeps crashing every time I hit the next turn button in my latest game. I guess I'm going to have to start a new game, which is sad because I was doing well.
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Fair enough, but are there really no games on consoles that you want to play?
Not badly enough that I would want to waste enough money to buy a decent gaming PC (note: multi-purpose machine) on a single-purpose consumer appliance, no.
That seems unlikely, and if that's not the case, you're only hurting yourself if you refuse to buy a console.
Wow, I better yank my wallet out and throw away money I don't have on a console, then, eh? Who knows, maybe there's 2 games I would want to play (as opposed to your implied 1), and it would only cost me $200 each!
(Consider $200-$300 for the console, plus $50-$60 per game... yeah, not a good value proposition, especially when I can build a good quad-core
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He said "major game", not a remake of the same god damn shooter we've been getting for the last 15 or so years.
Adding some more polygons, and some realistic physics doesn't make it a new game. I could go back playing Blood, Doom 2, Quake or Half Life and it would feel exactly like Halo, only with better (mouse+kb) controls.
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So how is Halo: Reach on your PC? Oh wait...
thank god NO.
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...and I'm free to use my system however I wish.
So, you're not using MS Windows or you never read the EULA?
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or perhaps he is not an 'end user' wtf cigarette buts huh
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EULA aren't legal. They may seem legal, but they aren't.
Erm... I'm afraid they are. EULAs (or at least clauses within them) have been upheld by a number of courts worldwide. Just google for "eula upheld" and of the first 10 results, 8 discuss EULAs which have been upheld. (Of the 2 which don't, 1 links to a page which discusses a case where an EULA has been upheld, the other is someone on a forum who has looked at a case of employment law and tried to apply it to consumer law).
I play EQ2 and Sony's EULA says I can't use 3rd party software. Which means, my keyboard driver, my video driver, my video card extra software, is all illegal to run while I'm playing EQ2.
Of course, I go further, with innerspace and isxeq2 so I can script & bot the game to my hearts content.
EULA? Fuck you, take me to court and we'll see.
You know, while IANAL I really would love to see you argue that "this clause is non
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Except, if you use it non-windows, not every major game that comes out longer supports your PC.
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I follow gaming a lot and I know for a fact that the PC does not support many major games.
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2. You're making it sound way more complicated than it is, my friend, and I think you know it. The right Direct X version? Windows Update takes care of that. Was the last time you used Direct X in 1995 or something? The rest of the items you listed can be easily figured out by about 30 minutes of reading.
3. I beg to differ. With PC games I can still modify the games, and enjoy user made content, even if the game has DRM like Steam. I don't mind a company trying to keep their game from being pirated. The console itself IS the DRM. You're not free to do anything custom to any of the software you have for it. I'd say that is more invasive than anything for the PC.
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As a PC gamer, I've never figured out how it's even possible to play an FPS on a console. How can you possibly aim with those sticks? Or do they all come with auto-aim?
Yeah, pretty much - the sticks take some getting used to, of course, but also the system uses a "near enough" aiming system that pretty much amounts to an aimbot. It's a crutch, for sure, but how can you expect pixel precision from analog sticks?
(Never mind that PC FPS games have been pixel-accuracy-required since day one, and if a PC uses the same tech that the consoles do to "make aiming easier" then the user gets banned for cheating...)
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What the fuck Sony? I cant use a USB device now? (Score:5, Insightful)
Fuck you Sony, You removed the Other OS feature, now you remove USB support?
Why not remove video support too so no one can rip data via hdmi now that it is cracked?
Fucking shit. Sony. you suck a whores shit hole.
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They didn't remove USB support, all the USB device I tested still work just fine with 3.50. Not sure what exactly they are blocking, but it is definitvly not every regular USB device.
Re:What the fuck Sony? I cant use a USB device now (Score:5, Informative)
In other words... (Score:2)
Just like DRM, a measure that will only hurt legitimate customers.
If they are trying to jailbreak the device, they will have no compunction about designing and releasing hacks that either spoof using existing hardware or new hardware capable of spoofing if some implementations are completely incapable of doing so.
I will say to those who insist on hacking the PS3, just buy a damn computer. A comparably capable system is now relatively cheap, will almost certaintly either have HDMI directly or a port that is
The USB lockdown screwed me over (Score:5, Interesting)
I have multiple 3rd party controllers that no longer work with the PS3.
So lawyers that like cases they're guaranteed to win - who wants to join me in a class action against Sony?
We're gong for full-out charges of fraud, bait and switch, deceptive and misleading advertising, and theft of services.
I think the dollar amount sufficient enough to garner media attention will be 100 BILLION dollars.
Oh, and we need to let the EU know that Sony committed massive fraud against them, as well.
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Some licensed controllers from MadCatz have been confirmed to have also got caught up too, I'm suspecting it's a bug in their handler to try to keep certain unlicensed devices out.
controllers are not licensed (Score:2)
At least that's my understanding, that those MadCatz controllers are not officially Sony licensed and never were.
As to what broke and what didn't, I suspect that any USB device that changes its descriptor size on the fly has been disabled, so even the unlicensed controllers that were disabled were disabled as a side-effect, not intentionally. This is similar to what you state, just not a bug but done intentionally (for bad or for good).
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You know it's only the unlicensed third party controllers that don't work right? Regardless of Sony's intentions over the usb patch, why would anyone expect unlicensed hardware to work forever?
Why would you expect to require a license for a device that supports standard USB HID devices? You could (and still can, at least the two I tested) plug in any PC USB gamepad or joystick into your PS3 and it will work just fine (button and axis mapping might however be a bit mixed up).
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It's not 3rd party controllers, it's 3rd party unlicensed controllers which are not allowed. Microsoft and Nintendo do EXACTLY the same with their consoles. The difference is Sony has never enforced this until now.
Re:The USB lockdown screwed me over (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm sorry, you don't just lock out something and then claim to adhere to the bluetooth standard for HID WHILE BEARING ITS LOGO ON YOUR HARDWARE.
Hint: You can't, you're now violating your licensing agreement.
Sony can't do this. Microsoft can because they're using a proprietary bluetooth stack. Sony went STANDARDS and what they're doing is a clear violation of those standards.
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"Was to be expecting no"
No, it was NOT to be expected. When you have Bluetooth logos on your hardware, you expect any fucking bluetooth device to work with it, as THE STANDARD REQUIRES.
I have some headsets that also will not work with the PS3.
Obligatory XK... wait, what? (Score:5, Informative)
Oh, the Irony (Score:5, Insightful)
Sony removed OtherOS citing worries about piracy, despite the fact that the system was uncracked after years of OtherOS inclusion.
Very shortly after its removal, various groups publicly announced their intention to crack the system specifically because of the OtherOS removal. They very quickly succeeded, and now Sony is going to have to live with nearly instant cracks of every version of their firmware because they riled up the wrong people. Piracy is now trivial on the PS3, with the usual caveat of no online multiplayer, all thanks to some executives irrational fear of at the time nonexistent pirates.
It's a pity that the executive in question will probably be rewarded because the current rise in piracy proves that he was right about the menace of game copiers in the first place!
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Re:The OtherOS was used to break the hypervisor (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually, I'd say that they took perfect revenge. "Fuck you, you took away my options because you're pissy about piracy? Well, suck on this, I'mma making piracy goddamn trivial, you assholes."
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Yes pirates have been going at it for years. But with the removal of the OtherOS feature a LOT of other people started getting involved as well, and publicly announced their intention to do so. Also the original hack access
Should have left the abiilty to install Linux.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Playing emulators, my ass. (Score:2, Insightful)
How will Sony stop people now from playing emulators on the PS3
Oh come on, don't be absurd. This isn't about emulators, this is about piracy, pure and simple. You can try to sugarcoat it, but 99.9% of modded consoles never touch emulators / homebrew - they're only used to play commercial games without paying for them. Stop trying to act like you're the noble ones, here.
'supposedly aimed at cloned PS3 Joypads' (Score:2)
Where did Sony issue a statement saying this?
I don't see where Sony said the USB changes were to block cloned joypads. I don't see where they indicated what the USB changes were for or even acknowledge their presence at all!
USB Devices and Hard Drives? (Score:2)
No more PSN for me... (Score:5, Interesting)
Hey, Sony (Score:2)
Hope you like my continued efforts to beat down your restrictions! Thanks for falling into my trap.
Saying I was doing USB futzing to break the PS3 was an INTENTIONAL RUSE to get you to lock it down so you'd reveal the security hole we've been trying to exploit for the past few weeks.
YOU FELL FOR IT.
Sony, so detached from reality they fell for one of the most basic CIA/KGB tricks for industrial espionage - disinformation.
that's not hacking a DualShock 3 (Score:2)
If you replace the CPU with another, you're not really hacking the controller itself, just using it as a power supply.
It specifically breaks the argument implied in the /. post (next stop no controllers department) which is that Sony couldn't stop this without breaking their own controllers, because this device wouldn't be presenting itself as a Dualshock 3, but as something else and thus disabling this hack wouldn't disable Dual Shock 3s.
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> USB is a serial bus
no it isn't, the name is a misnomer
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And?
I'm pretty sure that as far as pre-politics occupations go, you'll find "Lawyer" rather disproportionately represented at the federal level.
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So, who's right when the politicians don't write the law clearly?
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The Supreme Court. End of story. (until they're all dead and a new appeal challenges the old ruling).
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Aren't they lawyers? They're certainly not part of the legislative branch of the government.
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You are 100% correct, in fact, a great bit of them did not have a law degree. However, once you're a member of the Supreme Court, you are a member of the bench, and thus, a lawyer. At the very least, you are not a member of the legislative branch.
My only point was that law is very rarely clear, and if you think it is, you're not thinking enough.
PA homicide law:
A person is guilty of criminal homicide if he intentionally, knowingly, recklessly or negligently causes the death of another human being.
Intentional
No, he is correct (Score:2, Interesting)
Most professional politicians at the federal level in the US are lawyers. As such, it is in the best interest of themselves and their guild to make "the law" as convoluted, arcane and incomprehensible as possible, in order to insure present and future lucrative job security.
Ever wonder why we have no obvious simple real patent reform? It would cost the lawyers guild too much money. Tax code simplification? Cost the lawyer guild too much money. Rein in corporations and make individuals responsible for all ac
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Is there a gizmo that will let me re-map the buttons on the controller?
Yes. It's called the fvckin game itself. Start your game, select Options, then Controller and map the buttons however you like.