Presidential Inauguration Hardware and Other Challenges 176
holy_calamity writes "The FBI has released images of some of the kit that will be deployed to safeguard Obama's inauguration, including mine-proof armored trucks like those used in Iraq to protect against IEDs, and a large armored chamber that any bombs will be shoved inside to be transported away and perhaps detonated inside. Interesting, even though the really good stuff is presumably being kept under wraps." Relatedly, necro81 writes "The Inauguration of Barack Obama tomorrow is expected to put considerable stress on the cellphone network around Washington, DC. The expected crowd could top two million people, and many of them are expected to call, text, tweet, photo, and blog their way through the event. In response, the major wireless carriers in the area have spent millions of dollars upgrading their local networks and will bring in extra 'cells on wheels' (COWs) and 'cells on light trucks' (COLTs). They are also requesting that attendees limit their usage during the event, and avoid bandwidth-heavy activities — like uploading photos — until afterward."
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Where?
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Actually, it's a Microsoft Photosynth promo event [cnn.com] - that's the "VR" that they're using.
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Perhaps I'm showing my age, but I don't understand the appeal of texting. First off, emailing is free so there's no point paying for a text. And second, I'd rather HEAR the person I'm communicating with. The cost is only 18 cents a minute, and you can communicate far more information with that 18 cents of talking than with a 5 cent text.
Another disconnect is the fuss about downtime.
So what? When I was growing-up, we didn't just lose our cellphones; we lost our electricity! A blizzard comes through; go
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Perhaps I'm showing my age, but I don't understand the appeal of texting. First off, emailing is free so there's no point paying for a text. And second, I'd rather HEAR the person I'm communicating with.
It's my understanding that much of the texting kids do today is to friends that are near enough that just talking without any electronics involved would work. This according to a co-worker who who has 3 girls in HS and 2 in college.
And to think my parents didn't understand why I would use a walkie-talkie to talk to my friend two houses down when I was a kid;-)
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I send you a text, you respond when you have time. I call you, you have to choose between ignoring me and taking my call. Texting is asynchronous, where a conversation is synchronous. Granted, I can communicate more information in a short amount of time with a phone conversation, but if my issue is non-critical then texting is often more effective.
I am talking about texting from a business prospective here. I often text sales staff on the road, who may well be in a meeting, or contractors on a noisy job site. A director in a meeting with an artist. In all these cases texting not only gets them the information they need without them having o interrupt some other task, it also avoids the need for them to grab a pen or some other device - I just include the information. No lost or misunderstood numbers or names.
Now social texting does confuse me. "OMG! I am at the inaugaration". Why???
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It has it's appeal in fact that A. Phone calls are an interrupt. While I can let it roll to voicemail, I then have call my voicemail and retrieve my messages. B. You can send text messages in places where calling someone is considered rude. C. not all phones have Email support while almost all cell phones do. D. For short stuff, text messages are quicker. I can send a quick text to girlfriend "Where Dinner Tonight?" and she can respond with "restaruant A,B,C,D" and I can go "B". It takes about 1 minute to t
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The real concern is all the cops there will be using Cell phones and they will need to communicate using them and if something happens, they won't be able to communicate.
In the UK emergency services people can register their phone numbers and are then given priority when a cell is overloaded (other people are cut off to make room for them).
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This can be abused: if you're on a GSM network that is heavily overloaded (New Years Eve, big public events) as the GSM stations are at capacity, you can cause other users to be kicked off by starting a 999 call, then terminating before it connects, and immediately making your conventional phone call.
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The appeal is that it a quick way to communicate quickly without all the obligatory social filler that normally comes with a phone call. Also it is more courteous than a phone call because a text message is not as disruptive. The receiver can read and respond to the message at their convenience.
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First off, emailing is free so there's no point paying for a text.
There is if you want someone to get it when you send it as opposed to whenever they might decide to check their e-mail, and believe me, not everybody checks their e-mail every few minutes.
Missing Moderator option (Score:2, Funny)
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Mmmmhh... horse barbecue! Soo good when it's cold outside!
Twitter is screwed. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Twitter is screwed. (Score:5, Insightful)
And nothing of value was lost... sorry had to say it, mod down as you will!
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For the most part I actually agree with you. I am not really looking forward to the deluge of updates that are in store. Especially considering the number that already are showing up, "OMG only 2 days left to end the worst 8 years ever!"
Which would be fine, but clearly most of these people haven't even been voting age for 8 years -- let alone 12. So don't mind it when I don't trust their opinion on the state of the state as it were.
Its great that young people are more involved in politics now, I think th
Re:Twitter is screwed. (Score:5, Insightful)
Those who turned 18 and were eligible to vote for the first time in 2008 were in elementary school when Bush was (s)elected. He's been in office pretty much the entire time they've been aware of politics at all. Given what a horrorshow both his terms have been, they can, I think, be forgiven for seeing Obama as something special. It's kind of like what happens to an abused kid who grows up, gets out of his parents' house, and realizes that there are people in the world who won't beat the shit out of him every time he opens his mouth -- sooner or later, he'll realize that the world contains good people and bad ones in about equal measure, but at first, just about everyone is going to seem wonderful in comparison.
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I'm going to spend the data watching the coverage over the rabbit ears/antenna. Yeah I know... old-fashioned 60-year-old technology, but it still works. :-) It will be the last time a presidential inauguration was broadcast using analog NTSC.* After tomorrow it will be broadcast exclusively in HD digital.
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*(Technically the last time will probably be in 2013, since Mexico still uses NTSC, but I don't live there.)
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Re:Twitter is screwed. (Score:5, Funny)
Expect the service to be down most of the day imo.
That's change I can believe in.
Sadly, that's about all I can look forward too but that's another discussion alltogether. :)
Pretty spectacular (Score:3, Insightful)
There's certainly been a vast advancement in technology [especially communications] since early 2001.
So that's technology like social networking, blogging, microblogging, webcasting, etc etc.
It'll be a memorable event.
Pretty spectacularly loaded. (Score:2)
If you want to note the impact of flat-panels. Image that command center with CRTs that size. You'd be popping tires left and right.
COWs and COLTs (Score:5, Funny)
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On another note, this must have taken A LOT of planning. You usually can't just throw more cells in all willy-nilly. They would have to lower power on nearby cells and maybe even temporarily put cells on different frequencies to free up space for these microcells.
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Why can't cells overlap one another? I don't completely understand the technology, but I thought cellphones had the ability to share frequencies without interference, even if 3 or 4 towers are within "hearing" distance of the signal.
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Covering the hairier parts of a post-Katrina New Orleans after a big storm with days of warning, and "the upper midwest" with zero warning are rather two totally different tasks.
Re:COWs and COLTs (Score:5, Funny)
And I gotta tell you: fellas.. you have got what appears to be a dynamite inauguration! I'll be honest.. fellas, it was communicating great. But.. I could've used a little more Bell COWs!
I'm in DC and not going (Score:5, Funny)
But I'm going to try to use up some bandwidth anyway, you know, just to make visitors' lives a little less fun.
Re:I'm in DC and not going (Score:4, Interesting)
Good luck with that! I was going to say that the only way to make a visitor to DC's visit less fun would be to shoot then rob them, but that's pretty much already on the itinerary, isn't it?
You can't stop a determined assassin, period. (Score:4, Insightful)
You can't stop [wikipedia.org] a determined assassin.
Prepare for one thing and they'll use another, and never, ever underestimate the effectiveness of someone willing to trade their own life for the life of the target.
I'm not saying this to brew fear, i'm saying this to point out there is a reasonable point at which marginal returns to extra security diminish, and a point at which flexibility (hence my example) is more important than durability.
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I understand that gun stores are having fun raking in the profits by citing the end of the world and the end of gun sales, and the danger of having a non white person in an office that over the past few years have been given dictatorial powers, but really it is not that bad. the end of the world wil
Blame the NRA (Score:3, Insightful)
Its because of the NRA. As of lately they have been circulating propaganda saying Obama WILL make handguns illegal. Ask anyone who is a member or reads Guns 'N Ammo. I am all for private ownership of firearms and the second amendment but the NRA is overreacting here.
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That was 1996 when he was less experienced. Even if he still thinks that way, the Dems are a man short of a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Don't get your panties in a wad.
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You always think they're one man short, but people will walk the floors, people won't show up. It's quite close to a majority, isn't it?
Regardless, I don't think Obama would move to ban handguns. It's a lot of bad press that he doesn't need to get involved in. I don't think the americans would want a national gun registry, or limited firearms sales, like we have up here... Especially not at this point.
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In 1996, Obama said that he "supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns"
He didn't say any such thing. You are referring to a questionnaire that a staffer filled out erroneously. You could try and argue that's a lie from the Obama camp, but then why should Ron Paul get a free pass on his racist newsletters that the good doctor has disavowed as someone else's work?
The NRA is a hack organization. Gun nuts ran saying how they couldn't vote for Gore or Kerry because they supported gun
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It may well be true, but (gladly) US president is not an elected dictator, and doesn't get to write laws single-handedly. And it's unlikely that a nationwide ban would go through the Congress (and then not get shot down by the Supreme Court).
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If not the NRA, the wingnuts-at-large. I don't buy the propaganda; the worst that will happen is the re-banning of so-called "assault weapons".
I will digress a moment: the political and military definitions of "assault rifle" are worlds apart. In the military world, an assault rifle is a small arm that fires intermediate cartridges (midway in power between pistol and full-size rifle cartridges, such as 7.62x39mm or 5.56x45mm) and is capable of firing semi-automatically and (full-auto or burst).
The politic
Re:You can't stop a determined assassin, period. (Score:5, Insightful)
So we assume that the various assassins who were stopped just weren't determined?
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Tell that to Fidel Castro 638 foiled attempts - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/aug/03/cuba.duncancampbell2 [guardian.co.uk]
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That's so nice.. (Score:3, Funny)
It's so nice that the picture inside the mobile command center has a split screen monitor with the food network, themselves, days of our lives, and The Care Bears.
How cute.
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I feel safer already!
Care Bears? (Score:4, Funny)
Note the Care Bears on the monitor in the mobile command center in photo 8 [newscientist.com]. Gives me the chuckles. :)
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It's probably either "photoshopped" so they're not showing what's really on it. Or they have some pre-configured "guests without clearance are here" screen that they can change all the monitors to with the push of a button.
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It's probably either "photoshopped" so they're not showing what's really on it. Or they have some pre-configured "guests without clearance are here" screen that they can change all the monitors to with the push of a button.
Assuming these pictures didn't span multiple visits and taking the following into account:
1. The shadows in all the pics show the sun is at a very low angle.
2. The state of the trees, combined with green IVY in pic 3 indicate its mid-fall.
3. In mid-fall sun would only be as low as the reflection in the bomb containment vessel in the mid/late-morning and the evening.
4. The clock indicates it is 10:33:24 (can't be PM because of the sun)
5. The upper left looks like a morning talk show, and the lower left looks
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To paraphrase:
Assuming these pictures didn't span multiple visits and taking the following into account:
1. The shadows in all the pics show the sun is at a very low angle.
2. The state of the trees, combined with green IVY in pic 3 indicate its mid-fall.
3. In mid-fall sun would only be as low as the reflection in the bomb containment vessel in the mid/late-morning and the evening.
4. The clock indicates it is 10:33:24 (can't be PM because of the sun)
5. The upper left looks like a morning talk show, and the lower left looks to be a talk show, or game show. (the other is an interior cam)
I can conclude that they most likely have tuned the TV to local over-the-air TV stations to show that they can both monitor the news and closed circuit feeds on their display system....
To paraphrase succinctly: They were watching TV.
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or more likely; that's just what's usually on the screen.
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That's not Care Bears, just the sprites they use for the pedophile monitoring system. Any "Care Bear Stare" animations indicate an offense in progress.
This "coronation" stuff is overdone (Score:4, Insightful)
This coronation-like ceremony is getting out of hand. A quiet ceremony in the Capitol, broadcast on TV, would be sufficient. That's what was done during WWII, when there were concerns about an attack on FDR.
This is the first time an inauguration has shut down Washington, DC for two days. All the Potomac River bridges out to the Beltway are closed Monday and Tuesday. That's well beyond the impact of previous inaugurations.
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This coronation-like ceremony is getting out of hand. A quiet ceremony in the Capitol, broadcast on TV, would be sufficient. That's what was done during WWII, when there were concerns about
an attack on FDR.
This is the first time an inauguration has shut down Washington, DC for two days. All the Potomac River bridges out to the Beltway are closed Monday and Tuesday. That's well beyond the impact of previous inaugurations.
He was talking about change we can believe in, and by god he meant it!
If you don't believe in this change, you can try to cross the bridges and see for yourself!
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And nothing of value was lost....
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You may want to read up on the Bill of Rights.
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Obama's first act is to shut down DC for two days? Truly, our saviour is here! ;)
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This "coronation" stuff is overdone
This is an understatement. People are losing jobs by the millions and here we have a person who claims to be heralding the change but who thinks nothing about spending over $100 million on his "inauguration".
There has not been a single Presidential inauguration in history which has been this over the top.
Would it have been too much to expect the president-elect to even display a modicum of empathy with those who are suffering? Obama needn't have opted for a ceremony which is a toned down version of the regu
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Lighten up a little.
"There has not been a single Presidential inauguration in history which has been this over the top."
True, true. But when was the last time we a black President being sworn in? Kind of a unique situation.
And, if nothing else, consider it a celebration of the LAST President LEAVING.
That make it a little easier to accept?
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Morons. Millions of people aren't showing up because it's a big event, it's a big event because millions of people want to show up. If you want to be a WATB, start complaining at conservatives for running the country into the ground over the last 30 years, making people hungry for something different.
It should also be pointed out that much like the lie about auto workers earning $71 an hour, the comparisons between the cost of Obama's inauguration (WITH the cost of security) and Bush's (WITHOUT security)
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Anyone want to watch one of those expensive cell-towers on a truck burst into flames?
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My concern is what if something bad were to happen during the inauguration, and suddenly a million people whip out their cellphones all start calling 911, their family, news organizations, and generally broadcast an emergency to the world all at the same time.
Anyone want to watch one of those expensive cell-towers on a truck burst into flames?
Given their decision to go with silverlight for the event, I suspect the trucks would BSOD long before that happens.
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I've been in a couple situations where a bunch of people called 911 at the same time from the same place, and in both cases a few of us got a busy signal. My assumption was that this was a feature to prevent the very kind of overload you're talking about.
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Yeah, because I'm sure no one at nearby 911 centers, police stations, fire stations, and hospitals will be watching the ceremony. Not to mention every government agency will have multiple feeds and private lines of communication. If anything goes wrong tomorrow, I'm sure people that need to know will know pretty quickly.
The point (Score:4, Insightful)
The point of all this security isn't to stop a serious, well funded attempt to assasinate this man. As many people have pointed out, unless they kept the person in a bunker or in a series of undisclosed locations, a well funded team could probably harm him or her.
Except...any sane organization has nothing to gain by killing this leader. Unlike a dictator, the president can be easily replaced with someone else, and routinely is swapped out ever 4-8 years. In fact, a reasonable person would expect a backlash. The real reason the U.S. government doesn't give two shits about the Palestinians is because they kind of seem like the same kind of guys who committed the 9/11 terrorist attacks. That's backlash.
Any group that killed the American president would be crushed, and would never get anything they wanted.
However, lone nuts and other poorly equipped people get mad at the President all the time. The secret service can probably stop such morons in almost all situations.
Also, a lot of the security is reactive. Presidents who were killed in the past were usually killed by some kind of small arms attack. Hence the bulletproof limo and the ring of armed guards. If some other form of attack ever succeeded, god forbid, then security precautions might change. Such as eliminating public appearances entirely and doing everything via teleconference and holograms.
I for one... (Score:2)
welcome our new holographic overlords!
big deal? (Score:4, Informative)
Now, I'm a pretty young whippersnapper (almost 30) but I cannot even recall reading about another presidential election that's generated this much hoopla. From the primaries, to the election, to the inauguration, it's all been full-throttle excitement. And not just from the press, but people on the street as well. Even my bigoted father and step-mother think he's just great.
Is it because:
A) He's the first halfway intelligent president our generation has seen?
B) He has the most fucking fantastic marketing department ever?
C) He's the first not-exclusively-white guy to take office?
D) The Internet is enabling average people to express their opinions and reach out to each other more easily than ever before?
E) Pretty much everyone wants Bush out of the White House, even the most right-leaning republicans?
So are we witnessing history here (and not just because of the race thing) or has there been another presidential election with this much carnival atmosphere to the whole thing? This is a serious question. Ya know, for old people. (And historians.)
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D, E, and
F) He sounds like he believes and means what he says.
Clinton is smart but he lies when he opens his mouth. Obama somehow gives off credibility and authenticity ... one would hope by being credible and authentic, but we shall see. Integrity is rare anywhere, and you don't expect to see it in politicians anymore, at least not at the P level, because we've had a bad run of those here lately.
IIRC the Kennedy election events were very similar in tone (rock starish). More swooning girls then. Media was s
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Right wing garbage (Score:4, Informative)
Oh please, this cost myth is just your average right wind Drudge myth garbage. Check this article [mediamatters.org] out. They are claiming the Obama inauguration will be 160 million. Well the 2005 Bush inauguration was 157 million. Not much difference folks.
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Regardless of your political leanings, when it comes to debunking media distortions Media Matters rules! [mediamatters.org]
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Regardless of your political leanings? They say in their 'About Us' page that they're only interested in misinformation that forwards the conservative agenda. That's a shame. Why not correct misinformation from all sides?
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If the article is wrong perhaps you could be kind enough to point out the logical or factual errors?
Of course everyone claims something, but not all claims are equal. Some are backed up by facts while others are pure fabrications.
Re:Right wing garbage (Score:5, Informative)
GPP's use of the word "they" was a little unclear. The point is that Drudge, Limbaugh, et al. are claiming that Obama's inauguration will be much more expensive than Bush's, while Media Matters (and numerous other sources) are setting the record straight. The right-wing noise machine is saying that Obama's inauguration is costing ~$160 million (true) while Bush's only cost ~$40 million (false.) They get the difference in the figures, IIRC, by leaving out the cost of security for Bush but including it for Obama. The fact is that Obama's inauguration is barely more expensive than Bush's in absolute dollars, and factoring in inflation over the last eight years, it's probably cheaper.
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As the saying goes..
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
s/boss/puppet/ if you prefer.
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One would think that a new leader in today's economy, especially one who promotes "change", would have a dozen people together and maybe the press and swear in. Instead this "politics as usual" phony spends millions of dollars with his coronation ceremony.
If you want the kind of change Obama has promised, the best way for him to make it happen is to keep the public engaged, keep them thinking about presidents and politics and policy... instead of "American Idol" and "Ow! My Balls!"
A big inauguration ceremon
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Every time a controversial vote came up, he passed unless he had a carefully-polled stance already prepared. His entire campaign was based on taking the most popular position on everything.
Not true. He voted to give the telecoms retroactive immunity which everyone was against. He voted for and was a major cheerleader for the banker bailout bill. Both bills were extremely unpopular.
He has also mentioned "sacrifice" and national service over and over again, which I doubt is very popular. Biden and Obama have both said their policies are not going to be popular but we should just trust them! I seem to remember the last administration saying the same thing. Except now if you don't like their poli
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I wish there was some sacrifice. All I see is two trillion in bailout/stimulus pork.
No, see, the average person is the one expected to make a sacrifice so that the higher-ups can continue to afford their expensive lifestyles.
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Matt Bors has it right! [comics.com]
Re:Huge waste of money (Score:5, Insightful)
So Bill Clinton was a traitor, but not the guys who outed a CIA agent? I hate to point it out but your bias is showing. How embarrassing.
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no, no, no... he said mr. bill [google.com]
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no, no, no... he said mr. bill [google.com]
Oh no.
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Ok, so beat him with the lying America into war stick, or the disregarding his sole sworn duty to protect the Constitution stick.
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which one of the things he said was false, dickhead?
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You mean Richard Armitage?
Or Scooter Libby? Or Karl Rove? You know, the other guys who were leaking Plame's identity left and right, but Bush's cocksucking fanboys would have you believe it was only Armitage.
Re:Huge waste of money (Score:5, Insightful)
Clinton got a blow job from someone who wasn't his wife, and he is a traitor, yet Bush lied to the american public about every reason for invading Iraq and he isn't?
Al queda hated saddam as much as we did, and didn't move into Iraq until after we did.
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Well last I checked treachery is illegal. For someone to call it treachery when he did nothing illegal I would say is astoundingly ignorant, and that's only what I'd say if I'm in a remarkably generous mood.
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Technically it wasn't perjury by a LOOOONNNNG stretching of the rules. And, anyways, what did you expect : Mr. President, did you diddle the chubby intern?
"Uhhh.....no?"
Re:Huge waste of money (Score:5, Informative)
Setting aside the obvious fact that the investigation was a multi-million dollar partisan witch-hunt, Clinton was in the end found to be not guilty.
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Bush hasn't been found guilty either.
Leaving aside the fact that he probably should be. I'm not sure what of, but there has to be something on the statute books, right?
Re:Huge waste of money (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Huge waste of money (Score:5, Informative)
You don't follow politics much do you? Clinton got impeached for perjury, not for diddling the unattractive intern.
Wrong. He was impeached because after the Republican Congress couldn't nail him for fraud (Whitewater) or murder (Vince Foster), or a parking ticket, they settled on a manufactured perjury charge.
And Clinton didn't even lie, much less commit perjury. [huppi.com]
Re:Huge waste of money (Score:4, Informative)
Oh, yeah b/c he lied under oath.
Read the link, bitch. The only way to prove he lied is to have literally read his mind.
Then pray tell why was Clinton disbarred?
Because after Whitewater didn't turn out, Vince Foster didn't turn out, and their bogus witch hunt didn't turn out, Republicans had to settle for something. Real justice would have been throwing Starr and the Republicans in Congress in jail for malicious prosecution.
So try your revisionist history somewhere else please.
That is the history. Clinton didn't lie, deal with it. In fact, if he had said he had "sexual relations" with Monica, that would have been a lie under the courts definition, as he didn't put his cock in her. Deal with it.
Finally, just to prove how full of shit Republicans were and continue to be on this issue, just look at Scooter Libby's perjury conviction next to Clinton's perjury acquittal . You had the exact same cocksucking Republicans who argued for Clinton's removal from office arguing for a pardon for Scooter Libby. Hell, Fred Thompson - who voted to convict Clinton in the Senate - gave a hilarious speech where he passionately called for the rule of law and passionately called for a pardon for Libby.
Seriously, Republican party membership should come with free visits to a proctologist, so you poor bastards can get some help pulling your heads out of your asses.
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no, his statements are a weasley technciality. people who keep pointing this "clinton lied! perjury!!!!" bullshit out should have their nuts cut off.
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Mobile Response Assassination Patsy?