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Get Ready For ... Nanosoccer! 89

DeviceGuru writes "For the past few years, the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology has been sponsoring nanosoccer — a new team sport for universities with programs in micro-electro-mechanical systems. The soccer nanobots, operated by human players via remote-controlled magnetic fields and electrical signals, slide tiny discs around on a 30mm x 30mm playing field. Two demonstration competitions have already been held, and a third one is slated to take place next summer in Austria at RoboCup 2009."
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Get Ready For ... Nanosoccer!

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  • by mbone ( 558574 ) on Tuesday September 23, 2008 @06:23AM (#25118033)

    3 x 3 cm (or 1 x 1 inch) playing field ? Doesn't sound like nanosoccer to me. Not even microsoccer. Maybe millisoccer.

    Let me know when they have a 30 x 30 micron playing field. That will be nanosoccer.

    • by jacquesm ( 154384 ) <j&ww,com> on Tuesday September 23, 2008 @06:26AM (#25118053) Homepage

      it really is pretty impressive (FTFA):

      Sixteen nanosoccer playing fields are built onto a single silicon chip (photo above-left) thatâ(TM)s roughly the size of a quarter. The the playing-field chip is mounted on a small circuit board assembly, along with interface connectors .

      Each nanosoccer âoeballâ (photo at right) consists of a silicon dioxide disk approximately the size of a red blood cell, NIST says. Each disk has a T-shaped marking, to help the human players locate it on the playing field. The three small circles correspond to a set of tiny bumps on the bottom of the disk; these reduce friction, making it easier for the disks to slide across the playing field.

      • by mbone ( 558574 ) on Tuesday September 23, 2008 @06:35AM (#25118109)

        It may be impressive, but it's not nano [wikipedia.org] : "Generally nanotechnology deals with structures 100 nanometers or smaller, and involves developing materials or devices within that size."

        From FTA : "The tiny nanobots ... measure from a few tens of micrometers to a few hundred micrometers, NIST says."

        So, that's 3 orders of magnitude off. Microsoccer. But not nanosoccer. And the physics is rather different on those scales.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          The movie from NIST was linked to uses "microrobotics" i.e. on a micrometer scale.
          The yokels at "DeviceGuru" just stuffed it up.
          • the NIST public relations video actually calls it Nanosoccer too. it's meant to spur the development of nanorobotics and that's what the competition's been doing. i see nothing wrong with the name.

            from Wikipedia:

            Nanorobotics is the technology of creating machines or robots at or close to the microscopic scale of a nanometres (10-9 metres). More specifically, nanorobotics refers to the still largely hypothetical nanotechnology engineering discipline of designing and building nanorobots. Nanorobots (nanobots

        • by timelorde ( 7880 )

          They couldn't use Microsoccer; that's already been trademarked by the Evil Empire.

          Then again, hasn't Apple trademarked every conceivable word that begins with "nano"... ?

        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Next you'll be saying that the iPod Nano is too big!

        • by Krabbs ( 1319121 )
          Real nano would be cool. To be in a state where you have both scored and not scored at the same time.
        • by nip1024 ( 977084 )
          A regulation soccer field is 100x70 yards or 91440x64008mm. That's a total of 5852891520mm^2. The soccer fields FTA are 4.65mm^2 (including the goals, they aren't rectangular). They are 1/1,258,686,348 the size of a regular soccer field. Nano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-) means 1 billionth. These soccer fields are slightly less than 1 billionth the size of a normal soccer field and are therefore "Nano-Soccer Fields".
          • I don't know what 'regulation' you are referring to, but :

            the field of play must be rectangular. The length of the touch line must be greater than the length of the goal line.

            Length: minimum 90m (100yds), maximum 120m (130yds)

            Width: minimum 45m (50yds), maximum 90m (100yds)

            (From FIFA laws; International matches have a closer tolerance: 100m - 110m x 64m - 75m)

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by jeremyp ( 130771 )

      I think the article is wrong. The football field is described as "the size of a grain of rice". A 3cm x 3cm x whatever cm grain of rice would be considered pretty big for a grain of rice. However, there is a picture of the chip with 16 playing areas on it compared to a US quarter. I've no idea howe big a US quarter is - 3cm diameter still sounds like a pretty big coin - but maybe the 3cm refers to the dimensions of the chip with 16 playing fields on it.

      BTW they justify the term nano- by saying that the m

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by mbone ( 558574 )

        I've no idea howe big a US quarter is

        Supposed to be one inch or exactly 2.54 cm (25.4 mm).

        So, the playing field is just a little bigger than a US quarter.

        • From the article the playing field is 30 x 30 mm. From the image [nyud.net] with the article, the playing field is 1.5 x 2.5 mm. From the NIST [nist.gov] PR, " These abilities are tested in three events: a two-millimeter dash in which each nanobot seeks the best time for a goal-to-goal sprint across the playing field; a slalom drill where the path between goals is blocked by "defenders" (polymer posts) and a ball handling drill that requires robots to âoedribbleâ as many âoenanoballsâ (microdisks with the dia

          • by mbone ( 558574 )

            By the way, the US Quarter is 1.75 mm thick, which is a little larger than the width of the playing field.

        • by jlf278 ( 1022347 )
          >> I've no idea howe big a US quarter is

          >>Supposed to be one inch or exactly 2.54 cm (25.4 mm).

          >>So, the playing field is just a little bigger than a US quarter.

          Actually a quater has a ~24.26mm or ~0.955 inch diameter.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by skoaldipper ( 752281 )

      Let me know when they have a 30 x 30 micron playing field. That will be nanosoccer.

      Programming of the new Arena begins in 2009. My user Alan assures me he will do everything he can to save my register from being bitdozed by an old MCP Eminent Domain program.

    • shouldn't that be Milihockey?
      sliding a disk around a playing field.
      all I need is a good milifight.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Slyswede ( 945801 )
      Someone made a conversion error. The diagram shows a 1,5x2,5mm playing field, with goals 0.5x0.9mm. Maybe nanosoccer will force the US to finally adopt the metric system? :)
      • We're sneaking it in on them. Back in the 50s we switched their measurement standards to metric (ie an inch is defined to be a certain number of metres, the pound is defined as a certain number of kilograms, etc. Already they have lost touch with the imperial units for electrical measurements. Many of their guns are measured in mm (eg. 9mm). Their army, because they are forced to cooperate with NATO and UN forces, uses metric. Drugs (both legal and non) are bought and sold in metric. Soda-pop is sold i
        • Soda is only sometimes metric--common sizes are 8oz, 12oz, 20oz, and 1, 2, and 3 liters. The global "cheap-ass 12oz" 330ml standard has yet to take hold, thank god, except for a few foreign products like Red Bull. (The Red Bull sizes are bizarre BTW--250ml, 12oz, 500ml, and something else--maybe 24oz?)
    • by Feanturi ( 99866 )
      TFA says 2.5mm x 2.5mm playing field, so I'm not sure what kind of crack the summary writer was smoking, that's not even decimal misplacement!
    • 30 x 30 mm was an error. That's the size of the chip -- which contains 16 playing fields -- not the playing field, which is actually 2.5 x 2.5 mm. See diagram: http://www.deviceguru.com/files/nanosoccer_field_diagram-sm.jpg [deviceguru.com]
    • I don't know if the original article got updated, but it says that the field is 2.5mm X 2.5mm.
      Quite a bit smaller than what the summary says (30mmX30mm). Also, for those of you that were wondering about how big a US Quarter is, here's something from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter_(United_States_coin) [wikipedia.org] :

      ...diameter 0.955 inches (24.26 mm)...
  • ... welcome our new nanobot overlords.

    Now, where did I put my coffee cup?

  • hatchooo! (Score:5, Funny)

    by jacquesm ( 154384 ) <j&ww,com> on Tuesday September 23, 2008 @06:23AM (#25118041) Homepage

    sorry ;)

  • Hah! (Score:5, Funny)

    by rts008 ( 812749 ) on Tuesday September 23, 2008 @06:36AM (#25118111) Journal

    Real Men play nanosoccer with buckyballs!

  • Oh.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by 4D6963 ( 933028 ) on Tuesday September 23, 2008 @06:41AM (#25118153)

    At first when I read the title I thought it would involve stick figures a few hundreds of carbon atoms high playing soccer with a molecule of Buckminsterfullerene [wikipedia.org]. Then I started picturing how cool it would be if we could make video games that used atoms of carbon instead of pixels, and an electronic microscope for us to see the result, and what the nanoscopic versions of Pong, Space Invaders or Pac-Man would play like.

    Then I read the summary.. :-(

    • read the article instead of the summary, it's really quite neat if not exactly nano scale.

      But give them a couple of iterations on this and it very well could become nano scale. 3 orders of magnitude to go.

    • Announcer: [on loudspeaker] And it's a dead heat! They're checking the electron microscope. And the winner is ... [A man holds up a "3" in a window.] ... number 3, in a quantum finish.

      Farnsworth: No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it.

  • by renoX ( 11677 ) on Tuesday September 23, 2008 @06:46AM (#25118195)

    I'm really fed up with the nano hype, from the article "the players [cut] measure from a few tens of micrometers to a few hundred micrometers", so this should be named micro-soccer, not nano-soccer!

  • Nanosoccer? Let me know when they're actually playing Quantum Soccer! [wikipedia.org]
  • by paiute ( 550198 ) on Tuesday September 23, 2008 @06:55AM (#25118269)

    On the nanoscale (not this one), it will not be Bend it like Beckham. It will be Kick it like Casimir.

  • So, are the Euro microbots gonna flop and fake injuries like in real life?
    • by g4b ( 956118 )
      and will italian nanobots might have to visit acting school for that, too?
    • by raddan ( 519638 )
      European microbots play nanofutbol. Different game.
    • As Opposed to the American football nanobots which wear so much padding to play they are no longer nanoscale.

      We need nano rugby, get these bots in a scrum, punching each other in the quarks when the ref isn't looking, that's a real test of the hardest nanobot.
  • The FIFA board was quick to denounce the new sport, calling it a "kick in the balls" for professional soccer.

  • Misread the title as Nanosorcerer.

    Now this would be cool...
  • I wonder what happens if one of the nano-players gets kicked in the nano-nads. Is there a referee?
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  • by Anonymous Coward

    will be 200 pounds, wearing a lab coat, and dating a super model molecule ???

  • Aw yeah, super-expensive, tiny, scientific soccer.

    Let's see the Iraqi team beat us in that.

  • by Greg_D ( 138979 ) on Tuesday September 23, 2008 @09:15AM (#25119913)

    Soccer is boring enough. Making it so small that you can't see it with the naked eye?

    Brilliant!

    Can we get Ronaldo and Beckham on the fast track to miniaturization, please?

    And someone do some research on pico-curling, while you're at it!

  • by moxley ( 895517 ) on Tuesday September 23, 2008 @09:40AM (#25120347)

    This explains the "nano football hooligans" who are constantly harrassing my cat.

    I thought he had been hitting the catnip a bit hard lately until I noticed about 100 nano empty Foster's lager cans falling out of the brush after his nightly brushing and the distinct smell of eurotrash permeating his fur.

    DAMN YOU NIST!

  • The summary said

    on a 30mm x 30mm playing field

    Granted, I'm not a soccer fan myself, but I don't recall ever seeing it played on a square field before...

    • The laws [thefa.com] are pretty loose regarding the actual length (90m - 120m) and width (45m - 90m) of the field, and state that the touch line must be longer than the goal line, but not by how much. An exactly square pitch is therefore prohibited, but one measuring 90.00m x 89.99m would be allowed.(International pitches have closer tolerances, 100m x 75m is as square as they get.)

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