IBM Ships Fastest CPU on Earth 410
HockeyPuck writes "The 5-billion-instructions-per second Power6 processor from IBM would beat such rivals as the 3.73 gigahertz Pentium Extreme and the 2.4 gigahertz UltraSparc T2 from Sun. 'It's hard to make the average person understand just how fast this is,' said IBM Chief Technology Officer Bernard Meyerson, offering an example meant to explain his company's baby that still leaves the listener awed with the speediness of the two laggards. 'Hold your index finger out in front of your face,' Meyerson said in a telephone interview from IBM headquarters in New York. 'In less time than it would take a beam of light to travel from your knuckle to your fingertip, the new IBM chip would complete one task and start looking for the next, he said.'"
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And then he roundhouse kicks you into oblivion.
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Yeah, it's a fast CPU. And it gets faster if you have smaller hands. Or if you watch your hands move by at close to the speed of light. Way cool.
Should sell like crazy in Japan.
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That's the jist of the meaning behind 'Vista Capable'. If you want it to go faster, throw it harder.
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What about BogoMIPS? Huh? Huh? (Score:3, Funny)
Think about it: This new chip can do nothing up to 2 to 3 times faster than any other chip on the market! We are talking about incredible productivity gains during idle times!
(why yes, I do work in marketing...)
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Goatse Guy? Is that you?
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Perhaps he meant that it could task switch in that time, which would mean handle the interrupt, saving the current register set, look up a new task from a list, load the registers, and jump. Sounds unlikely if they only have, say, 10 cycles to do it (5GHz for 2 nanoseconds), but who knows.
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Guy shoulda explained it like in the Italian Job (Score:2, Funny)
Hansome Rob: [at a loss] Yeah...
Lyle: It's a big stereo. Speakers so loud, they blow women's clothes off.
Handsome Rob: Now you're talking!
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I think BadAnalogyGuy is lost in the libraries of congresses worth of data that will be served by this system.
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http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/10/world/10lama-600.jpg [nytimes.com]
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I do believe that's a (rather poorly executed) reference to Admiral Grace Hopper [wikipedia.org] and her "nanoseconds".
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Can you give us an example of an overload joke? I don't think I'm familiar with any of those.
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Units of measurement (Score:5, Funny)
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But then I suppose some math genius is going to come along and claim we should be counting bogipigips because bogogips is just a marketing term.
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But then I suppose some math genius is going to come along and claim we should be counting bogipigips because bogogips is just a marketing term.
Yeah, when bogopigs fly.
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Huh.. I don't know that! Aaarrggh! *falls into the chasm*
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its not all its cracked up to be.
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The correct question to ask there would be:
"How many Libraries of Congress can I process in a fortnight with one hand?"
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The LoC has pr0n?
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Tried running Vista SP1 on that monster... (Score:5, Funny)
Sour grapes or a real arguement (Score:2)
Sun spokesman Mark Richardson took umbrage at the focus on speed. "It's an easier marketing message to deliver to say that faster gigahertz means a faster processor," he said. His colleague, chip expert Fadi Azhari, explained how the Mountain View firm uses a different technical trick, called multithreading, to make a computer faster but not hotter.
Is this just sour grapes or has Mark Richardson got a valid point? I don't know enough to judge but I'm sure there's plenty of opinion her on /.
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If, on the other hand what you're doing is not easily threaded then IBM probably have the upper hand. Say you're doing some mathematical analysis, where you have to do everything in sequence. IBM's faster processor can complete each stage quicker, moving on to the next part and delivering the result faster than a chip with more threads but slower speed.
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Power6 architecture: it's different (Score:5, Informative)
Other than the lack of out-of-order, on paper it looks pretty strong. Dual core, lots of bandwidth, up to 7 IPC (5 in one thread, 2 in the other), big GHz, voltage & frequency slewing, and yes it has AltiVec.
p.s. No, it would not be good for Macs. POWER chips are all made for big iron.
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Re:Power6 architecture: it's different (Score:5, Funny)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER6 [wikipedia.org]
I think IBM is doing taking the NetBurst approach - a long pipeline to get to high frequencies. Plus it's a server chip only used in their servers so they can design for a much higher TDP than Intel or AMD and rely on water cooling.
I think this guy is spot on
http://aceshardware.freeforums.org/praising-the-power-6-design-t426.html [freeforums.org]
it will likely easily outperform the 65 nm SOI CMOS Power6 on the
benchmarks of most interest to buyers of business critical servers
despite running at less than half its clock frequency and having
less than half its socket level bandwidth. IBM might have created
a better product and closer competitor to Tukwila better if Power6
had been a quad design based on a Power5 core worked over to
improve performance/power but then its wouldn't have the mega-
giga for headlines in the WSJ and given IBM Micro a measure of
bragging rights to help justify its continued existence.
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IBM might have created a better product and closer competitor to Tukwila better if Power6 had been a quad design based on a Power5 core worked over to improve performance/power but then its wouldn't have the mega- giga for headlines in the WSJ and given IBM Micro a measure of bragging rights to help justify its continued existence. ;-)
I dunno-- this chip is more than just faster. IBM's chip can do decimal arithmetic on silicon. Have you ever had to work with real decimal numbers on a computer? It's a PITA. IA-32 has some basic support for BCD, but it leaves a lot up to you-- the processor really wants you to work with 32-bit binary numbers. IBM is nice enough to provide a library [ibm.com] you can use if you're too poor to afford a chip that can do real decimal math, though.
Financial institutions are required by law to perform financial c
It's a ploy (Score:4, Insightful)
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Apple doesn't care about marketing, they are only interested in making quality product.
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Well played,
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Exactly.
Imagine, you could compute at an insanely great speed while frying eggs on your Powerbook!
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The switch from PPC to Intel wasn't really about performance or pricing. It was about supply and logistics. Both the Motorola and IBM PPC chips were custom chips from their Power architecture as neither company sold CPUs for general consumer computers. IBM made chips mostly for workstations and servers (which were considerably more powerful and expensive).
Like most manufacturers, Apple, IBM, and Motorola do not want to keep a large inventory of anything. So Apple would only order and project as much as they thought they needed. IBM and Motorola would allocate enough resources for Apple's forecasts. But the problem was Apple was selling Macs faster than they anticipated. So they would order more. Neither IBM or Motorola could keep up with the increased supply.
Even if they ordered millions of chips a year, Apple was never going to be IBM's or Motorola's largest customer. They could not dedicate large amounts of resources for one custom product line of one customer when they had much larger customers (for IBM, their own workstation/server division. for Motorola, their electronics division). At most, Apple was their highest profile customer.
From Apple's standpoint, they were tired of not getting enough CPUs. So if they switched to a stock Intel chip, their supply problems because more manageable. Because for Intel it wouldn't be a small customer ordering more of a specialized part; it would be a small customer order more of the stock part.
National Lampoon Radio Hour (Score:5, Funny)
Made me think of a National Lampoon Radio Hour (SNL before it was on TV) skit about the George Foreman-Muhammed Ali fight. Foreman (John Belushi IIRC) talking about Ali:
"He so fast he can turn off the light and be in bed before the room get dark!"
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A quick google search turns up a couple references, such as this one: http://www.nzlistener.co.nz/issue/3483/columnists/8092/great_greater_greatest.html;jsessionid=F86BAF04332CA229F91CA1A92B340560 [nzlistener.co.nz]
I use the new sun chips at work (Score:5, Interesting)
I write management software that lets admins turn on/off/standby (etc) the state of the various 'cpus' (threads, as sun calls them). there are 128 and 256 cpus in a regular 2u..4u style rackmount box. these are 'simple' air cooled systems with fans blowing over the whole U-style chassis and over the passive cpu heatsinks. nothing 'scary' at all, really.
it is pretty wild to be able to do the equiv of 'show cpu' and have an ascii output scroll 64, 128 and even 256 times; one for each 'cool thread' which is a real actual processor element.
the down side is that this threading stuff does not automatically get you faster speed on a SINGLE non-threaded traditional task. as I understand it, these T-series sun boxes are meant to process a lot of transactions (think webservers) and not so much number crunching.
how do you define 'fastest chip'? well, one thing is for sure, you do NOT simply go by 'gigahertz' alone. that's really an oversimplification.
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If the work you wish to do can be parallelized -- that is, broken into smaller pieces and then either reassembled when all the pieces are complete or, even, better, no assembly required -- and, more importanlty, your application is written to take advantage of parallelization then you will most certainly benefit from a CPU that can handle simultaneous threads.
OTOH, if your tasks can't be p
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The T2000 (for example) has one die clocked at 1.2 or 1.4 Ghz. On that die are 8 processor cores. Each of these has 4 CMT threads (sort of what Intel used to call hyper-threading). 32 "virtual" cpus, 2U form factor. $6,995 base
The M-series, lets take the M5000 is built by Fujitsu. That has 8 processing elements, each clocked at 2.1 Ghz, with each dual-core. 16 "virtual" cpus. $47,000 base. 10U form factor.
The 5220 has 8 cores, 8 CMT per core, for 64 virtual cpus, 1.
And in 25 year's time... (Score:5, Funny)
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Does it have Altivec (Score:2)
If it doesn't - it's just a useless overclocked G3 - Mac OS X Leopard will not run on it.
If it does have Altivec - anyone knows if it uses the same socket as the G5 ?
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obscured objectives (Score:2, Interesting)
There is no such thing as an all-purpose CPU (Score:5, Interesting)
However, there are many other tasks fit for computers that do not parallelize well. In addition, writing massively parallelized software is often quite HARD. It is far easier to design software for a single CPU running very quickly, than a whole boatload of CPU's running slower. There have in fact been quite a few articles in CS journals lately wondering how on earth software is going to be written for all these new bunch-o-cores CPUs. While it can be done, it is tedious, expensive, and error-prone for all but the most trivial tasks.
SirWired
Multicore speed explained. (Score:2, Funny)
5GHz != 5 billion instructions/sec (Score:2, Informative)
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Meaningless Indicator of Processing Speed (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyway, the DSP I'm working on, the TI C6416 (1GHz), claims up to 8 billion instructions/s (5 to 6 can be realistically obtained).
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When I power off the system it can sustain the proposed performance for a period of eternity seconds - best instructions per watt ratio ever found.
PS: Still trying to design an operating system for this architecture that can produce end results different than Windows on x86.
Average Person? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Muahahahah
-D
Obligatory fortnight (Score:2, Funny)
Hot like fire! (Score:2)
This part of the article made me laugh. Sick sense of humor? But, I would formally like to thank IBM for caring about setting me on fire or not.
Apple should use these. (Score:3, Interesting)
Apple would have buying leverage against both IBM and Intel by being able to shift portions of their manufacturing from one architecture to another with each model. And they'd have access to some of the fastest processors on earth. Can you imagine one of these things powering Photoshop, or even rendering the next Pixar movie?
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Useless measurement (Score:4, Insightful)
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I'm holding a finger in front of my face... (Score:5, Funny)
Setting users on fire (Score:3, Insightful)
He's never had a help desk job....
This fast... (Score:4, Funny)
and I thought he was going to finish that with "and it goes THIS fast!!!", as he waves his finger across his face as fast as he can.
That's how my brother and I used to measure seconds when we were 5 years old. Accurate to within 500% (your mileage may vary).
Speed of light in FPS (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:It's the uses, stupid! (Score:5, Informative)
I'd guess anything that runs on the Power archicture. Here's a list of the various OSs [wikipedia.org] that have been supported on various iterations of the Power architecture at one time or another.
YES! (Score:4, Informative)
(mod me down if you must - but I just HAD to...)
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Linux
AIX
and i5/OS
Applications?
DB2, Oracle, SAP, and goodness knows how many super advanced and mega expensive packages for specific industries that the average person never knows about.
In other words it isn't wasted on Office, Vista, and other low end applications.
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