New Wave of Fusion and Robot Innovation at MIT 90
An anonymous reader writes "Popular Mechanics has been getting some great access inside the labs at MIT all week, and they've gotten some interesting looks at developing technologies. Robot-assisted rehab with gaming-style controllers comes out of the biomechanics lab, blind and crash-proof UAV testing with F/X cameras is being done at the aerospace controls lab, and work on electric scooters with super-cheap assembly is proceeding at the Media Lab. Perhaps most exciting is a fight for funding while the holy grail of clean fusion power in reach at the plasma center. The article on fusion predicts, "We'd see economically feasible fusion power by 2035, at the earliest, and increasingly efficient commercial reactors somewhere in the middle of the century."
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I worked for two years at General Atomics trying to model and understand the interaction of fusion plasmas with the reactor walls. I've seen people here who have done more.
Like many other people who have worked/are working on fusion, I don't think it's going to be commercially viable this century. The problem is materials. It's simply too expensive to build these things.
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My question is, how insane does it get with fusion material sciences?
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It adds up to ~$1 billion to buy and you still have significant operating costs.
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If the problem is just cost (I know it isn't...), then I think the problem will solve itself. Often the first one of anything is rather expensive to build, then costs come down as we gain more experience and improve production facilities. Or the price will become more and more attractive as the alternative
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True, but the 'often' in this sentence refers to a select sample, which is the sample of economically viable enterprises. If tokomak fusion is economically viable, it is likely to become more cost-efficient over time. However, if the concept is borderline, it could easily get more expensive over time, as has happened for fission reactors. The physics and enginee
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The problem is materials
ITER will burn for half an hour or so. Peak power output that the walls have to withstand is 10MW per square meter. That is peak power, not constant. ELM's are the problem. These are violent instabilities that dumps huge amounts of energy and particles onto the wall. Controlling these bastards is essential. If their severity can be reduced (kept under 10MW/m2), even if you get more of them, it's probable going to be okay. To illustrate the 10MW per square meter: only the Arianne V rocket has a larger ou
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Inertial gravitational containment [wikipedia.org] is the holy grail.
Inertial electrostatic containment [google.com] is the next best thing.
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Focus fusion = nonsense (Score:2)
Some time ago, I discovered a useful BS detector kit on the Skeptics' Forum [skepticforum.com], and Lerner failed a bunch of these tests, especially tes
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The lecture (Score:1)
If you're looking for investors in a room of savvy geeks without a physics background, there's few things you should try harder to avoid than to be mistaken for a quack.
Re:The lecture (Score:4, Interesting)
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In any case it has nothing to do with conspiracy theories or blaming fellow scientists. The fact is, ba
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20 years... (Score:3, Funny)
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We should call it a Duke Fusion Nukem Reactor. 20 years indicates that there is some problem that doesn't have a solution. People always imagine that withing 20 years someone will come up with a solution to that problem. So 20 years basically means
1. Attempt to build a fusion reactor with currently known technology
2. ????
3. Profit!
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If anyone had really "realized the issues we will face", they wouldn't have even *considered* hydrogen fuel cells as a solution. Hydrogen fuel cells look great on paper if you assume that the hydrogen and the infrastructure to distribute it will magically appear out of thin air. But it won't, so hydrogen research is just a way for
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What are you implying? If I understand it correctly, going by your logic people will have to buy new cars when a new technology replaces the petrol powered cars so it's a waste researching into those technologies?? Obviously when they were researching into Hydrogen fuel cells the one thing on their mind was *Zero Carbon emission*, but the infrastructure is
Re:20 years... (Score:5, Interesting)
Or we could just cut all that shit and have cars that run at 20-40% efficiency burning carbon fuels.
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I already makes sense today (Score:2)
But because it concentrates the problem difficulty (creating hydrogen in a carbon neutral way) into one single point (the hydrogen plant) and makes the whole distribution network independent of the solution adopted upstream to produce the fuel.
You will end up in the same situation as the electrical power grid, where the grid itself and the end-user appliance don't need to change or ada
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If you can _make_ all tha hydrogen without emitting any CO2, that would be nice, because it means that you've found an energy source that doesn't emit any CO2.
However, if you have such an energy source, what keeps you from directly or indirectly drawing CO2 out of the atmospher
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I'll give your a hint about just such an energy source. It starts with N and ends with uclear Power.
There's no reason it can't be solar. The crap thing about solar is that it doesn't produce on your schedule. The (only) positive thing about Hydrogen is that you can store it easier and cheaper than electricity in batteries and refuel quicker than you can charge a battery.
If we ever get cheap supercapacitors then there will be basically no reason left to use liquid fuels anywhere but maybe spacecraft. And until we find something better they should probably be nuclear. Build them big enough and you have r
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Hydrogen needs a carrier (Score:5, Insightful)
To make hydrogen practical requires a carrier. There has been some experimentation with metal carriers, but by far the most efficient hydrogen carrier, packing in far more hydrogen per unit volume than even liquid H2, is carbon. Amazingly, someone/something long ago put huge deposits of carbon-encapsulated hydrogen in giant underground reservoirs for us to use.
The only problem is, the carbon carrier is *supposed* to be recycled, and we haven't bothered doing that, and instead have just dumped all the hydrogen stripped carbon into the atmosphere as CO2, in quantities large enough to alter the atmospheric CO2 levels to a worrisome extent. As soon as we start recycling the carbon like we're supposed to, hydrogen cars will take off. In fact, the infrastructure is already built!
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That's the sad truth behind it all : we have nuclear power that could help out for, say, 50 years. Perhaps solar and wind can extend that 50 years to 75 or maybe even 100 years. If, by then, we don't have either trivial access to space to place solar panels in space or have fusion power, then it'
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#1 Malthusian perdictions for certain doom in 50-100 years have been around for almost 400 years in the current form and more religious forms before that but it hasn't happened yet because people invent new things or societies to compensate.
#2 There is no reason to expect the entier industrialized world to collapse all at once. While resource limits WILL cause major problems, why would you expect China to fal at the same tim
Cycle of Civilization (Score:2)
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It was not followed by the countries you mention but by "darkness" ie. people who didn't care to write down their history, but lived more in denial of their own history, and what happened isn't clear. 200 years later however the Franks (not the french) were the first to restor
Re:20 years... (Score:4, Funny)
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If I had mod points you'd be "+5 Underrated"
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However there are proposed roadmaps to commercial fusion [iter.org] that are a bit more detailed than "ask me again in 20 years". The plan in that link puts the first commercial fusion reactor at around 2050 though.
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fusion energy (Score:1)
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I don't know if you can say "always will be" 30 years in the future, but I'll admit it seems that way. I remember the same stories back in the 70's, and yes, we were supposed to be building our first commercial fusion plants right about now.
I have to wonder if other approaches, or a look at possibly some new ones wouldn't be a better idea. It seems that the constant with that 30 years is that it always involves "a bigger tokamak than we have now."
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The Future (Score:1)
Aren't we already in "The Future" right now? We should already have fusion power and cool robots doing stuff for us! What happened?
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From TFA... (Score:2)
I'll believe it when.. (Score:1)
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We don't understand plasmas. (Score:5, Interesting)
A key concept is "transport". What a fusion reactor requires is to keep heat bottled up. The ions in particular need to be kept hot so that they can fuse. What happens, though, is that heat gets dumped from the ions into the electrons (which are useless for fusion) at a rate which exceeds theoretical predictions -- one of many "anomalous transport" phenomena. (Great phrase, which you may recognize from HL.)
Bottom line: we need to do more research on fundamental plasma physics for fusion. Yet for whatever reason, fusion funding has been dropping for decades.
Funding chart (Score:2, Informative)
"anomalous transport" phenomena (Score:1)
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Heat transfer (Score:2, Interesting)
By convection/conduction with waste products being ejected from the "reactor" (not a bad term, imho)? By radiation?
Are they intended to be connected to some thermodynamic cycle or something more exotic? What kind of heat transfer temperatures are people talking about? Several thousand kelvins, or something more conventional?
Re:Heat transfer (Score:4, Interesting)
The main problem is dealing with all these pesky neutrons. Aneutronic fusion avoids them, but is far more difficult than DT fusion.
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ITER, for example (Score:2)
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The reason is simple: unrealistic always 30-years-away hot fusion schemes (Tokomak-based, mostly) are being promoted to take attention and funding away from cheap energy alternatives and preserve the money-spinning oil/gas/coal/nuclear energy status quo. Much cheaper alternatives do exist. Thin film solar in combination with cheap storage http://www.google.com/search?q=eestor&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 [google.com] for example.
The US has pulled fun
FYI (Score:5, Informative)
Bypassing the ever-silly:
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ok dokey (Score:1)
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You know what is screwed up (Score:2, Troll)
I love how we can spend a shit ton of
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There were plenty of advances.
The atom bomb and fission reactors (Manhattan project etc).
The Apollo project got people to the moon. There were missions to Mars, Mercury, Venus etc.
The Internet kind of works - except they should have not gone for 32 bit IP addresses.
Unfortunately after about 1980 we've been mostly seeing "reruns"
I think people started spending a lot more time and resources trying to patent
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And what exactly does war have to do with fusion research? You may as well complain that the US spends billions on welfare and medicaid, instead of funding fusion. At least with war you have something to show for it: we get to see shit blow up! Meanwhile welfare just sucks money out of the budget year after year, with no visible results. You've been funding it for D
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You are right though, Medicaid and welfare are major problems, but you have to fix one thing before you can start on another. War has a lot to do with fusion research. Everyone knows the reason why we are over there is energy (oil). We need to secure the oil because US depends on it so heavily that with
2035 (Score:2)
it'll go nicely with my flying car (Score:2)
Scooter? Look China! (Score:3, Interesting)
They have a wide selections in Carrefour, or whatever Supermarket.
Price tag: ~1200RMB (150USD). Probably can goes up to 30MPH.
May be not as stylish as the MIT one, but definitely cheap, usable and actually are all over the streets. And there are more scooter than bicycle on the street.
Some models looks just like more than a hack of Bicycle + Motor + Battery pack, but works! Most design with battery pack can be swap out, and can be plugged to the main directly for charging. I have seen the janitor in Office bringing her pack upstair for charging.
It's just cheap!
Heim Drive = Gravioty confinement! (Score:1)