Startup Offers Instant-Boot Windows Alternative 286
Lucas123 writes "A Silicon Valley startup named Device VM has a product that circumvents the boot-up process, according to a story in MIT's Technology Review. Device VM recently released a tiny piece of software that gives users the option to boot either Windows or a faster, less-complex operating system called Splashtop. The company is partnering with PC OEMs and consumer electronics companies to integrate its core technology into desktops, notebooks, ultra-mobile PCs, and other devices."
Hey, anybody knows (Score:4, Insightful)
Mod parent up (Score:5, Funny)
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HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NEWS?
It's not Hybernate... (Score:2, Informative)
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Sarcasm aside, it's a good idea. Such a shame that the product is ready to ship since year 2000, or before, and (check...) They don't support shit. No, really. Now they have the OLPC (it uses LinuxBios, right? Please don't tell me The Perfect Laptop takes a minute to boot!) showing, "hey it works, our obvious to self-evidence idea, so when will you replace that old legacy useless crap BIOS?"
A real kernel in ROM and boot times reduced to few second
Simple... (Score:2, Insightful)
Splashtop? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Splashtop? (Score:4, Funny)
Really old news? (Score:2, Funny)
Ahh, wait, I forgot - this is slashdot!
Re:Really old news? (Score:4, Informative)
Apparently, Device VM hadn't officially announced their technology yet, but now they have. More than enough reason for a dupe
Taking all bets here! (Score:5, Insightful)
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It also can bootcamp into XP. If I make that the default OS, it takes much longer to boot, and that's with a slimmed down install. It's under 30 seconds with me keeping it tuned and slim.
My wife's on the other hand has iTunes with Quicktime and Apple Update (on XP), which slows down boot time as all the services and startup processes
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Then again, since most of these systray programs are auto-updaters, what would be nice is an OS serv
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* That doesn't mean Linux won, just that you can get it, unfortunately it turns out the people who already want it rarely cared if it was preinstalled anyway.
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and then what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong, the long boot times of XP annoy me (except when it's freshly installed), but I don't see how this helps, unless it provides for an instant boot INTO XP, I don't see how you'd get regular people interested or how it will help them.
Re:and then what? (Score:5, Funny)
Now, about that startup money we were mentioned earlier...
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Um, my zx spectrum booted up quite fast, as did my BBC model B.
OK, less capable systems perhaps, but lets not get confused here, PCs take waaay longer to boot up then any of that old technology.
Plus I don't recall being any less productive on the BBC model B, the things I can do have changed is all. I have documents that I began on the BBC which I am still using now.
The first time I booted a 'proper' pc up (I used my old BBC right up until 1995) I was shocked by the long
Re:and then what? (Score:5, Insightful)
For the type of user that leaves their PC off most of the time, the ability to accomplish a single task rapidly could be appealing.
Re:and then what? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:and then what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Try using a (web enabled) phone and you can literally do it on your way out the door. Making a PC instantly available is an increasingly disminishing benefit.
Or they could just try hibernating their existing OS and get the same effect. Seriously, marketing a new OS based on boot time is just stupid.
-matthew
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To expand specifically on this example, you can even send a text message to GOOGL (46645) with the text "showtimes " and you'll get a response text message with movie listings for free. I use this a lot, as I loathe the web interface on my phone.
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I 100% agree.
Except that waking my (brand new 2.0 Centrino core 2 duo w/2GB ram Vista Premium Vaio) laptop - or even just unlocking the keyboard causes the wireless connection to go apeshit. It takes up to a minute or even two to re-establish connection on my home network. And yes it is set to auto connect.
I do blame most of this on Vista, because my girlfriends Mac takes less than 10 seconds (same router).
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If your PC is off, and you want to check movie times on your way out the door, being able to rapidly boot into an environment with a web browser would be appealing.
Try using a (web enabled) phone and you can literally do it on your way out the door. Making a PC instantly available is an increasingly disminishing benefit.
Or, you could do something even more outrageous. Try opening a newspaper. Made from recyclable paper, and the only energy expenditure is you getting out of the
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Sure, this might not be The Wave of The Future®, but managed correctly, this sort of thing could carve a nontrivial niche in the market.
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Re:and then what? (Score:5, Insightful)
My two Macs take 10 seconds to load up and are network ready and 5 seconds of that is me typing in my password. REboots should only be used when you need to update the system. If you have so many memory problems that you need to reboot more often than that , then i suggest you upgrade your OS to something that isn't a fisherprice toy.
I can pull out my laptop raise the cover log in, check movie times, and put it back faster than a fresh XP install or hell even a fresh OS X install can boot.
All MSFT has to do is stop screwing around with the ACPI specs and not care if Linux or anyone else can use them. that won't happen so windows users will always get shafted.
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I'm still trying to figure out why I need to reboot after every update to iTunes - which seems to happen at least weekly.
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A) Walk your happy ass by the movie theater and look at the times on the board, picking the most convenient time.
B) Use the cellphone that is invariably melded to the side of your face and call said theater.
C) Pick up that ancient thing called, I think it's Newspaper, and look at the times.
Seriously, wasting money to speed up boot times, are we sure this isn't a Gentoo project? Seems like some stupid miniscule optimi
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If your PC is off, and you want to check movie times on your way out the door, being able to rapidly boot into an environment with a web browser would be appealing.
For the type of user that leaves their PC off most of the time, the ability to accomplish a single task rapidly could be appealing.
Have you tried the hibernation feature of Windows? Just remember to ensure the BIOS is set to the "Suspend to RAM (S3)" mode -- this was not the default for me, and necessary to make it fully power off. I understand that some users still have trouble with the feature on Windows as well as on Linux due to it sometimes being picky about the drivers being of high quality, but if that is in order, it has worked fairly reliably for me, and I think from what I've seen on Vista, actually even moreso.
"Boot" times
A bit of quick web surfing? (Score:2)
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I benched my system at 14 seconds from end of BIOS init to login...
Warning to readers (Score:5, Informative)
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VoMIT, for short?
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My desktop machine has been up 700hrs (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:My desktop machine has been up 700hrs (Score:4, Funny)
Re:My desktop machine has been up 700hrs (Score:5, Interesting)
Since I turned off automatic Windows updates I rarely worry about shutting down and rebooting.
I hope it has really good power management, because otherwise that's an extreme waste of energy.
It's funny how many slashdotters are posting to say that Windows sucks and boots slow, and of course the solution is to run Linux. I run Linux, but one of the things I'm least happy about is the horrible support for power management. None of the sleep, hibernate, etc., options work on my machine at all. I don't know the solution to the problem, either, because it sounds like the problem is basically that manufacturers refuse to openly document the registers that need to be saved when their devices go to sleep. If I had working power management, then I wouldn't need to shut down my computer so often, and I wouldn't care much what my boot times were. This is all much bigger issue on laptops, of course.
I believe one of the reasons Linux doesn't boot faster than it does is that there's a kernel feature that, for security, randomizes the addresses at which various code is loaded into memory each time you boot. This is supposed to protect against buffer overflows that jump to a fixed address in memory. The problem is that it means you can't speed up booting by simply caching an image of the initialized state of a lot of your memory in a freshly booted system.
I don't know about other people's Linux boxes, but on mine the time taken to start Gnome is comparable to the time it takes to boot into gdm. That's one of the reasons I run fluxbox rather then Gnome.
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Ubuntu works fine for me (Score:2)
If I just close my laptop it suspends and can maintain instant-on state for almost 6 days on a full battery.
If I select hibernate then it writes everything to disk and shuts off. Booting up then launches right back where I was and takes about 5-10 seconds.
This is using a stock Ubuntu / Kubuntu install of Gutsy Gibbon.
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One of the interesting things I found out after installing Ubuntu gutsy is that at least with recent kernels, Linux hibernates perfectly without power managem
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Re:My desktop machine has been up 700hrs (Score:5, Insightful)
I run Linux, but one of the things I'm least happy about is the horrible support for power management. None of the sleep, hibernate, etc., options work on my machine at all.
I once had a problem with this, and decided to investigate.
So I went through the forums and found that the problem was that the manufacturer of the laptop supplies a dsdt table [wikipedia.org] that does not follow the published standards for dsdt tables.
So I found a corrected table for my laptop and suspend/resume now works. But I was interested as to why a manufacturer would supply a DSDT that didnt follow the specs. And heres what I found:
So Microsoft create a complicated specification, probably taking care to leave out important implementation details. Then they ship a compiler for the specification that only checks parts of the specification used by their own software. And thats why Linux has issues with suspend/resume on some hardware.
Does any of this sound familiar [wikipedia.org]?
How is windows a problem with a notebook? (Score:2)
I think the last time my e1405 was shut down and cold booted is when I installed a bluetooth module (about 4 months ago).
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No kidding. My MacBook Pro would be up for months on end except for two things. The first is Apple updates that require restarts (come out once every month or two, it seems) and the times on weekends I boot into Windows to play Half-Life 2 or Team Fortress 2. My PowerBook G4 (which couldn't boot into windows) had a record of 3-4 months, with me hauling it between home and school every day. That was due to an Apple update too.
If you don't want to wait through boot times, just put the computer to sleep.
Which flavor of linux is splashtop based on? (Score:2, Interesting)
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http://www.splashtop.com/developer.php
Question for GPL experts and amateur lawyers (Score:2)
It's ok to charge $1 billlion (Score:2)
You just can't require them notto give it away to anyone afterwards.
Misnomer (Score:5, Insightful)
It seems moderately interesting, in the sense that some users might suddenly realize that all their computing needs are met by a lightweight (and Free) operating system. They might rarely boot into Windows. On the other hand, for many people this "fast boot" will just make using the computer more frustrating, since they will boot into Splashtop to get something done quickly, but then suddenly realize that they need another application (that they only have on their Windows partition), and then have to endure another, longer, boot (and re-open whatever webpage they were just looking at, etc.).
In short, the interesting thing here is the idea of pushing a dual-boot computer to the masses, and not an "instant on" computer.
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No kidding. "Look, we invented booting from ROM, only slower".
Windows is slow to boot. OS X is pretty good, but it's no speed demon. But I just close the lid on my MacBook Pro and it goes to sleep. It actually seems to take 10-20 seconds to do this, but it's reliable so in reality I don't have to worry about it. Resuming is done as fast as the display can come up, if not faster. It is, for all practical purposes, instant.
Hibernating in Windows is much slower every time I've seen it, ranging from relativel
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Most of the computers that would benefit from this - business computers networked to applications or security routines / login scripts / cruft cleaners - would be the ones most likely to have it disabled. I'm not sure I want another network-capable application running under the radar, even if it is Linux.
Besides, who wants to get started any faster in the morning.? Long coffe
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To me, the interesting thing was embedding the OS in the BIOS.
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That's not what they did. AFAIK there's one flash chip that holds a conventional BIOS and a separate flash chip that holds the Splashtop Linux installation. Instead of giving you the choice to boot from disk, CD, or USB, the BIOS gives you a choice to boot from flash, disk, CD, or USB. Technically, there's nothing to see here.
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At least the old article mentioned that it was Asus to be first making these boards (the dupe only has a screenshot of the bootloader having an Asus logo. Or that it would first be available on Asus's Intel X38 motherboards...
I think along with myself, a lot of people are getting tired of dupes on stories from months ago, with "
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My 4MB 386 booted DOS and the menu application launcher in less than 3 seconds. Windows 3.1 was a bit slower though, at about 10 seconds from POST screen.
or on could always use... (Score:4, Informative)
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Good for Windows users (Score:4, Insightful)
Also on the EEE: 2 second boot! (Score:3, Informative)
real solution: interim "preOS" (Score:5, Interesting)
Of course, the real solution is stable instant-on low power modes (and OSes) that make the morning boot wholly obsolete.
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I have this installed (Score:2, Funny)
Though mine has a different name, it is called Kubuntu.
And I am not sure about the cut down part.
Still, it is a great idea, "your OS is slow and crappy, here, install another!"
It will be interesting to see how well this plays, Windows has liked to break dual booting for quite a while.
So what? Nothing new here (Score:2, Informative)
Brilliant! (Score:4, Insightful)
Dose this work with EFI / UEFI? (Score:3, Informative)
Splash in the pan (Score:2)
Why? (Score:2, Insightful)
Use Sleep mode (Score:2)
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A BIOS that actually does something (Score:2)
Re:So where is the source code (Score:4, Informative)
Use the source [splashtop.com] Luke!
Re:All I need do is replace my whole OS (Score:5, Insightful)
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Couple that with the persistence of certain vendors installing unnecessary applications into their taskbars (and as services) and of course there's a lot of cruft that could be cleaned up.
Re:All I need do is replace my whole OS (Score:4, Interesting)
1. Star the updater app.
2. Check lastupdatetime.dat.
3. Has it been more than a week since I checked for updates?
4. Yes it has - check now.
The updater stub can be very lean -- a few dozen KB at most, and launch a heavier-duty updater as needed.
Everyone wins - the system stays up to date and the user doesn't get bogged down with retarded logon applications. Best of all, the user can change update checks - or disable them entirely - from one central scheduled tasks panel.
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There needs to be a common update system that is easy for games and other apps to use and is free for developers to use.
Then you can at lest get rid of having to deal with games and other apps having there own built in updater's that need admin just to run them as some games and apps force you to get the updates to be able to run them.
This system can also make it easy to keep your all parts of your system up to date. You will just need to be an admin to run that common update system or even make
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The thing that makes imbeded linux work is that the hardware manufacturer is going to put the drivers right in the BIOS.
This is a boon for linux. Because that means they are either designing the system for linux or are making their special proprietary drivers for it. If that is the case,those drivers WILL be extracted and reverse e
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Are people in general too stupid to use suspend? Is it incredibly difficult to use like the cruise control on a car and a handsfree headset?
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Intel's working on making software and hardware advances to cut the boot time. AMD will likely follow suit, as will other BIOS vendors/makers. That can't but HELP be good for Linux.
But, I suppose Linux can boot in under 14 seconds if it's an embedded device doing non-PC work.
Suspend and hibernate are nice, but maybe even this could be good for VirtualBox and other virtual machine environments.
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LOL. Linux can boot in under 1 second if its an embedded device. My linux system boots in 14 seconds (grub to login), and its a full desktop. From login to first-run (eg until I can actually start a program by double clicking its icon*) is around 10 seconds.
* I hate that Windows in particular boots to the "desktop", then spends 30 seconds to a full 5 minutes starting every fricking desktop service all at once.
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I said that.
"against the default 'restorable' Linux install"
I'm not sure what "against the default restorable
In case you're not clear on what I said, the pronoun "This" in "This boots from the ROM" was referring to Splashtop, which was the topic of discussion.