Heathkit Reincarnates the Hero Robot 119
DeviceGuru writes "Heathkit, which produced and sold mobile robots aimed at hobbyists and students back in the 1980s, is about to reenter the educational robot business. Heathkit's new HE-RObot incorporates an onboard computer running Windows XP Professional on a Core 2 Duo Processor. It stands 21 inches tall, weighs 55 pounds, and has a built-in 80 GB hard drive, IR sensors, bright LED headlights, and lots of space for custom project circuitry." As robots go, it also looks very much like certain models of SGI workstation. Now I'll need to update my 1980 Christmas wishlist -- it's probably lost between pages of Popular Mechanics.
linux! (Score:4, Insightful)
In all seriousness, why would they go with Windows XP? That really doesn't make sense to me. Linux works better as a headless operating system, and would allow for more tinkering.
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I really don't think Linux should adopt that as their public motto.
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Except on Halloween.
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They're still stress testing the hardware
Linux won't improve a crappy design. (Score:3, Insightful)
Before committing a large amount of money to an overpriced Dell on wheels it really has to stand the 'get me a fecking bottle of beer from the fridge' test.
Linux and FORTH and where's the arms!! (Score:2)
Its just a primitive roving sensor platform (and I don't think much of its roving capabilities.)
Until it gets some way to affect its environment, say a mechanical arm with a few axes of freedom, I'm not turned on in the least.
I think a swarm of small "insectoid" robots is a much better way to go.
Small, light, mobile, easily trainable, remote camera platform, swiveling head with mounted pincers and able to carry out simple tasks.
Hey that's what an ant d
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Re:MS already has robot support, MS Robotics Studi (Score:3, Informative)
Andm Player has robot drivers for this platform already. Check here [whiteboxrobotics.com] for more information.
Alternate OS? (Score:5, Funny)
--deckert
Re:Alternate OS? (Score:5, Informative)
For my money, I'd spend $350 and get the Pleo, it does run Linux on an ARM CPU. Would be more fun to work with too! http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9421520726.html [linuxdevices.com]
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Not to fear, Windows provides an automatic version of this feature where you don't even need to log in to have processes randomly killed.
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*Disclaimer: This is a horrible approach, and should obviously not** be implemented on a Windows based machine. If you are dumb enough to do it this way, use some version of ultra-hardened, enterprise grade *nix. And don't go patching the OS or software until you've done extensive testing on an unarmed model.
** Should Not = really reall
reincarnation (Score:1)
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Heathkit in name only (Score:5, Interesting)
Now it's a PC running Windows XP. It's a blue PC on wheels. It doesn't even look like you get to assemble it. It's "Heathkit" in name only.
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But like others, I'm surprised Heathkit is still around. I built a Vox Combo Organ from scratch that Heathkit offered in kit form back in the day. Wasn't very reliable, though. Some of the springs on the keys broke off after I had pounded on it for a year or two. Not Heathkit's fault, since th
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Oh come on, Windows doesn't crash that often!
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I have a Heathkit stereo pre-amplifier with two 12W stand alone valve power amps.
Built by my Dad in 1964 ish.
As I had the original construction manuals I knew the circuits down to component level and could rebuild / refurbish these with ease. They work superbly.
The matching Speakers which stand four feet high and three feet wide, were not up to the standard of modern speakers, so I gave these to my Son who uses them as PC speakers. They go pretty loud with a tiny 2W amplifier!
Yes
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Actually a Heathkit clock sounds great. I bit you could tweak the oscillator to bring it down to speed, or change the xtal.
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Sure there was - Heathkit simply labled it "Resistor R1" or "Capacitor C17" to make you feel like a real electronics tech. Except you weren't - any more than someone who uses a paint-by-numbers kit is the equivalent of a Matisse or a Picasso.
That's true - of something you build from
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In a world of takeout and TV dinners, Hamburger Helper is a step up.
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I dabble in electronics as a hobby. I enjoy amateur radio, again, as a hobby. I do not have the knowledge to sit down and design a 1.5 KW CW & SSB HF amplifier starting from a blank sheet of pap
REAL Heathkits are not around any more (Score:2)
everything else Heathkit I built, a dozen of them from three amplifiers to a touch light control to the ET3401 microprocessor trainer in 1976, worked until I sold it or set it on the shelf. came back to my AA-14, which I had sold my sister and was in mom's paint closet for 25 years untouched, and it worked right off. I just bou
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Actually, the airplane kit is a new one to me, thanks for giving me something to do today instead of work (its dead at the office today)
Heath and airplane kits... (Score:2)
The reincarnation as an electronics company came after WW2, when the new owner, Howard Anthony, bought up a boxcar full of military surplus radar parts, and repackaged them as kits to build your own oscilloscope.
Obligatory... (Score:1, Funny)
Heathkit is not in charge of Gundam.
Mr. Wizard had one (Score:1)
We had a small army of those at my high school. We used to take entire classes to program it to swear phonetically.
Obligatory Windows Put Down, with a twist... (Score:3)
AAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH!!!
Who knew that making smart ass comments about Windows could get so complicated?
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So it runs XP, which with the release of Vista is now supposed to be really not that bad...
Kinda OT, but...did you ever stop to think that maybe the whole Vista mess was a calculated debacle to make XP look better? I mean, people used to fuss and cuss at XP all the time, and now when Vista comes stumbling along, XP suddenly seems (comparatively) wonderful. (Kinda like how Americans have become so obese, that even I with my 30-40 extra pounds feel like an anorexic model when I look at the other hogs at t
now that you say it... (Score:1, Offtopic)
But with Vista around, I somehow felt compelled to buy XP! I really did that!
So, yeah, these MS overlords are really, really tricky.
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55 pounds? (Score:5, Insightful)
That's heavy for what's essentially a laptop with wheels.
Apparently its main sensors are just little IR ranging devices. Those things are basically non-contact bumpers. Not too impressive. It really is a rehash of 1980s technology. I don't see much use for a 55 pound dumbbot. Robotics is way beyond that point.
This thing ought to have at least two cameras, stereo vision, and SLAM software. [wikipedia.org] Wouldn't add that much to the cost, and they have the needed CPU power onboard. A pair of webcam chips mounted rigidly to the same frame, so that they stay aligned within a pixel, would make stereo vision work. You can buy stereo camera pairs for robotics [ptgrey.com], but they cost too much because they're made in tiny quantities. Made by a toy manufacturer, they'd be no more expensive than two standard webcams.
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In addition to stereo cameras, I'd have hoped for this thing to have ultrasound range finders, and at least some kind of plat
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Those are quite expensive in anything higher than 640x480 resolution, and their smaller model already has 1024x768.
Actually, Unibrain "consumer" (about $100) and "industrial" (about $400) FireWire cameras are the same electronics in different packaging. Their industrial camera has the voltage regulator further from the imager, so its heat doesn't add noise to the image. That's about the only difference in the electronics.
Synchronizing two FireWire cameras is straightforward, too, FireWire cameras
Heathkit has lost touch with its core users (Score:2, Insightful)
The biggest evidence is that the robot does not run Linux. Heathkit was beloved of inveterate tinkers and people who play with technology. Such people may run Windows at home, but I suspect most of them would rather play with Linux. The core user base of Linux is made of those kinds of people. Heathkit as lost touch.
Heathkit has a NEW group of "core users" now (Score:3, Informative)
The name lives on, being used by "Heathkit Educational Systems", which sells overpriced technology training equipment and materials for classroom use. With the educational market firmly in the grip of M$, the fact that this thing runs XP rather than linux should be no surprise at all.
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That's depressing to learn. :-(
Depress yourself further... (Score:4, Interesting)
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I find it amusing that you get modded up further for just providing a link that demonstrates your much more substantive and interesting comment a couple levels up.
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Thanks to Heathkit, that day will never come.
I really can't believe that no one has stepped up to replace them. You would think that there would be a decent-sized market out there.
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And as I recall, their ham gear was the only somewhat affordable stuff in the book (compared to Colllins and Hellicrafters). Everything else was way overpriced, including their lousy computers.
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What about Ramsey Electronics [ramseyelectronics.com]?
--Rob
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There is one modern company that comes pretty close, but they are solely in the ham radio market, with a very small (but wonderful) product line.
http://www.elecraft.com/ [elecraft.com]
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I wonder if cephelopods tinker. I think they've been known to.
Looks like (Score:3)
Does anyone else think it looks more like a vacuum cleaner?
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Vacuum cleaners look like this. [irobot.com]
Battery Life? (Score:1)
ok... (Score:1)
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wiimote (Score:1)
Imagine... (Score:2)
Wither Heathkit? (Score:5, Insightful)
I suspect the only connection to the Heathkit we love is the name... somebody probably bought the rights to use the name.
Now, if the instructions (yellow cover mandatory) include a 200-step procedure for aligning the RF and IF stages, using the S-meter as a VTVM and the BFO as a signal source, then we know we're getting somewhere.
Provided, of course, that the robot only comes in a two-tone green color scheme.
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Zenith bought Heath way back in 1979.
The only connection of that Zenith to the current Zenith is the name, as they hit hard times, sold a majority stake to LG in the 90s, went bankrupt in '99 and were absorbed by LG. About their only "product" at the time was HDTV patents.
http://www.zenith.com/sub_about/about_corp_history.html/ [zenith.com]
Heathcliff Reincarnates the Hero Robot (Score:3, Funny)
Heathcliff: "Wait a minute, Cathy. Make up your mind. This Love thing--is it a virus, a drug, or a religion?" Cathy shrugs. "What's the difference?"
Or, alternatively:
Y.T.: My love for Hiro resembles the eternal rocks beneath: a source of little visible delight, but necessary. Juanita, I AM Hiro!
meh (Score:2)
I was hoping for Heathcliff's robot to launch his fists in a Rocket Punch as the dog watched from his Pilder.
Shame that it instead looks like a wheeled PC tower with headlights and a set of ports embedded in what appears to be a pouring spout without the hole on top. At least I could mod the drive bays to do Breast Fire...or at least add a flashy ineffective square fan or something.
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Keep an eye on http://www.astromech.net/ [astromech.net] because right now the site is down for retooling. These guys haven
No Arm? (Score:1)
huh? (Score:2)
that brought a mental image of a mad scientist with frizzy white hair in a lightning storm between two massive jacobs ladders screaming...
"IT LIVES! IT LIVES!".
second the other posters, if it does not come with linux, an SDK, circuit diagrams and full specs then I am not interested.
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Alternative (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Alternative (pics) (Score:3, Informative)
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/0402/robo07.jpg [impress.co.jp]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/washtech/images/demo2002_robot_190w.jpg [washingtonpost.com]
With a claw:
http://www.xeni.net/images/boingboing/robot_butler.jpg [xeni.net]
It does run Linux (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.robotshop.ca/home/suppliers/white-box-robotics-en/white-box-robotics-linux-914-pc-bot.html [robotshop.ca]
It does seem the Heathkit is out of touch, but it is more likely some school administration that would want to buy some of these. Since the administrators don't do any real
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Question: Suppose you have a class to teach and you're using a device that you already know backwards and forwards. Then, suppose, I come up to you and say you need to use this other device you've never heard of before. Are you going to be afraid of my superior device and keep using the tried and true?
Whitebox (Score:3, Informative)
And it could probably linux (Score:1)
There are multiple robots from white box robotics that make use of Linux..
They sure aren't cheap, though.
RB5X robot kit (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.rbrobotics.com/ [rbrobotics.com]
The kit was about $1000 for chasis and boards. Lots of discrete components here, lots of hackability. All that its lacking is a time machine so I can actually get a chance to work on the one I bought two years ago...
Screw that (Score:2, Funny)
I, SGI (Score:3, Informative)
Heathkit Is Still Around? (Score:1)
Whoa - I remember mis-reading the resistor color codes for a couple of boards my Dad let me work on (for a 1970's era color TV kit). . .
Damn good thing by the time I joined the Air Force and started working on ECM pods they only trusted us to swap circuit cards or the tax payers would have been out a few tens of thousands of dollars.
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Thought that was going to be different.... (Score:1)
Descendant of the SGI O2? (Score:2)
Why not run it on Linux? (Score:2)
All we need now is a virus or other exploit that turns these harmless 'iRobots' into killing machines...
The Terminator said 'I'll be back', apparently, so did Heathkit.
'nough said.
New HERO vs old HERO? (Score:1)
Hero ... (Score:2)
I guess somebody must have reincarnated Heathkit.
Apparently it can climb stairs (Score:1)
Heathkit still around? (Score:2)
Efston Science was another classic company, that still exists, but in my opinion only as a shadow of its former self. It's kits used to be *seriously* cool. The three stage water rocket was a classic. My favorite, though, was an optics kit, that let you build things from telescopes, up to an actual working
Newsflash (Score:2)
Wrong movie (Score:2)
mark
READY! (Score:1)
A Heathkit robot... (Score:2)
2) Shall not teach any actual knowledge, unless it is the knowledge of not having fun.
3) Shall protect itself by running Windows XP.
It runs Linux... (Score:1)
I'd rather have Julie Newmar (Score:2)
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As a boy sooo envious of Bob Cummings. Oh, those three little beauty marks.