New Robots Hunt Pirates by Sea 207
mattnyc99 writes "PopularMechanics.com takes a peek into the growing world of high-tech piracy on the open seas, which the U.S. Navy and Coast Guard are looking to cut off by investing in a new fleet of superfast, gun-mounted unmanned surface vessels (USVs). From the article: "The Interceptor is available now. But the USV market is just getting started: Two months ago, British defense firm Qinetiq debuted its own robotic vessel, the jetski-size Sentry. Among its potential duties is intruder investigation, which could include scouting out unidentified boats, along the lines of the raft that detonated alongside the USS Cole in Yemen, as well as offering a first look at a possible pirate-controlled vessel.""
Not piracy (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Not piracy (Score:4, Funny)
Wait, the crimes are unauthorized? Are you trying to confuse me?
Re:Not piracy (Score:5, Insightful)
Essentially the crimes are not authorized unless you fill out the authorization forms first.
And by authorization forms I mean the documents needed to start a corporation.
Or win an election.
Thats how you get authorized.
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what's the point? (Score:2)
More than likely the little ships will get pirated (Score:3, Interesting)
This shit is getting fucking unreal.
The next step in evolution (Score:5, Funny)
Zombie robot pirates!
Do you realise just how much more awesome the world is about to become?
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Re:More than likely the little ships will get pira (Score:2)
Heck grab two and verse a friend.
Re:More than likely the little ships will get pira (Score:4, Funny)
Re:More than likely the little ships will get pira (Score:2)
Then all you need for global terrorism is some hackers together tha facilities to refuel and rearm these boats.You don't even need to control a thousand of them, about 20 ambusing a passenger ship will get you global coverage.
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So do the same with the robot boats... hijack them in a way that will go undetected, so whoever owns them will continue to fuel and maintain them for you. Once you've taken over a good number of them, and they're all fueled up, you're ready to strike!
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Pirates (the real kind) apparently have little trouble getting hold of fuel and munitions. Even in the days of sailing ships gunpowder didn't grow on trees...
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Maybe someday we'll have war where all the silly humans can just stay home and watch it on television.
Robot pirate hunters? (Score:5, Funny)
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They could be robots sent by the MPAA or RIAA...
Global Warming (Score:5, Funny)
Ooh arrr, what be a Jetski anyway? Russian Hanna-Barbera futurist?
Keep it a Secret (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Keep it a Secret (Score:5, Interesting)
They have done tests using examples of police uniforms and asking citizens what type of uniform made them feel most secure. They ranged from the wildly florid with knee high leather boots and helmets and epaulets and whatnot, to guys in blue blazers with all their gear hidden under the coats.
The overwhelming winner were the uniforms with as much testosterone laced leather froo-froo as could be sewn to them.
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Yeah, but what's gonna suck is all those posers wearing testosterone-laced naugahyde froo-froos. I mean, that stuff starts to smell after ten minutes of body heat... Ick. So people, when you go shopping for your hormone-laden froo-froos, do not spare the cows! Make sure they're genuine leather, mmm-K?
Way to go, Nazis! (Score:2)
One thing that Nazi Germany undeniably got right was uniform design. Think what you will about the people in them and the things they did, most German uniforms of that era were brilliant, powerful designs of astounding beauty and (usually) high function. I know if my local cops dressed like the SS, I'd think twice about getting on their bad side.
Of course, my local cops tend to *act* like the SS, but that's a
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Or
It could just shoot the **** out of the survivors. Robots are a good solution for some tasks. However, none of those tasks involve firearms.
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While we're at it, we should back these bots up with some kind of amphibious mines based on Rhoombas-with frikkin' lasers.
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If you'd ever been in a gunfight you might have a different opinion about putting your own wetware on the receiving end of "tasks involving firearms".
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Not only do you have the posibility to such a device machinegunning survivors you also have the problem of how to stop pirates hijacking it...
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Well the rationale is all over the place.
There are more Freudian slips in the article per line than in anything I have ever seen.
The bigger boat marketing name is "Protector", right? Well in the title of the article it is called " Predator " and on the second page " Interceptor ". That is where the laugh begins, but it does not stop there. On the second page you get "The 55-mpg Interceptor could become the long-range patrol boat of the future, while the jetski-size Sentry (inset) could help a terrorist
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Only if the robot boat is cheaper than a regular boat and a fool.
"high-tech piracy on the open seas" (Score:2)
Good lord, waterproof robot pirates? We're DOOMED!
Snowcrash (Score:3, Insightful)
Or, if you prefer reality to science fiction: Robert Work, a retired Marine officer and analyst at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, said piracy is a "persistent threat" that the Navy has worked to address in recent years. [...] "Essentially, you don't want to use a billion dollar DDG [guided missile destroyer] to suppress pirates [military.com],"
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That would be so cool!
Can it do a full can of peaches, next?
Pirate Dread (Score:5, Funny)
If only we had a remotely-operated wheelbarrow... That would be something!
Re:Pirate Dread (Score:5, Funny)
Awesome! (Score:2)
apologies to spongebob (Score:5, Funny)
ROBOT GUNBOATS!
Dangerous and deadly and fatal they be!
ROBOT GUNBOATS!
If nautical mercy is something you wish,
ROBOT GUNBOATS!
Then put up your hands or sleep with the fish!
ROBOT GUNBOATS!
MOD PARENT UP (Score:2, Insightful)
Autonomous boats sounds like a bad idea (Score:5, Insightful)
Very true, and also... (Score:5, Insightful)
For one thing, we read here every day about the endless ways in which software farks up.
Furthermore, I find the whole notion of armed robots cruising around freely in any kind of environment - war zone or not - extremely disturbing. How do we ensure they only kill what we want them to kill? Who is accountable when they do kill things? Does the extra layer of separation between commanding officer and 'target' make it more likely that decision makers will authorise killing?
These toys are very neat from a tech perspective, but they create a perception that killing human beings is like a video game of some description.
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From the article, I gathered that they are only programmed to kill Pirates, or Human Beings who are breaking THE LAW.
So there is nothing to worry about at all. Nothing can possibly go wrong.
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There's also an issue of how easy it is to tell these apart from other boats (UAVs at least don't look too much like regul
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Lots of anti-aircraft missiles, for example, are completely independent after being set loose. And perfectly capable of independently finding, engaging and destroying the target, indeed that's their sole reason for existing.
You against those too ? If not, for how many seconds/minutes is a armed vehicle allowed to go independently hunting for humans ?
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"While the Interceptor could be fitted with a water cannon or other non-lethal offensive system, its primary mission is to serve as a sentry. "
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It's just a boat with a machine gun. There's not a fighting force on earth that couldn't already field a boat with a machine gun. The robotic aspect is just a labor-saver to cut costs. It doesn't add capability, in fact it's almost certainly less capable in most respects than a boat with a few armed guys onboard. The infrastructure and maintenance required for these kinds of toys only ma
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This is really why it makes sense. You can send the ro-boat to investigate without having to worry about whether it gets blown up or shot up when it runs into trouble. Of course, until they make a robot boarding party its use is still going to be limited.
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The only possible advantage is that it may have more range and more endurance than a manned boat. Since the weight saved by not having a crew can be used for ammunition and fuel. Though one of it'
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Robot ships also wouldn't be much good against being boarded/hacked by pirates.
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Automated systems can operate complex equipment in controllable (i.e. measurable) situations beautifully - the problem is there's no one to blame, a'la the Captain of the Valdez, when something, inevitably, goes wrong.
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If they were just after the guns and the ammunition then they are probably not too concerned about "non destructive capture" techniques.
Unlike a UAV, it seems like it would be pretty easy to catch one of these surf
I feel safer already (Score:3, Interesting)
"YOU HAVE 10 SECONDS TO COMPLY"
As the old saying goes: (Score:2, Funny)
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Is it bad if... (Score:5, Funny)
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A tragic error in scale... (Score:5, Insightful)
The sea is big people. The waves are big, the wind is big and the ships are big. A really small boat just barely big enough to manage to stay afloat semi-reliably in open ocean is generally 30 feet long or more. They do make them shorter, but generally only as a stunt. What is a four foot tall vehicle going to do against a vessel with steel and concrete sides that reach probably at least 10-15 feet up? These things are going to present about as much threat to the average ocean going vessel as a chihuahua attempting to pee on one's foot.
We also mentioned the sea is big. Average swell depending on area can be 8 feet on a calm day. this means a jet ski about 4 feet high is going to either spend 75% of its time inside the trough of a swell unable to see squat, or skipping along the swell tops in a way that is going to strongly resemble video froma a surfboard cam. Very splashy but not too useful.
As a harbor or shore defense weapon I can see these being possibly quite useful against similarly sized vessels like dinghies and maybe cigarette boats, but anything offshore is unrealistic.
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"And both the Navy and the Coast Guard have expressed interest in the Protector, a 30-ft.-long USV built by BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin and Israeli defense firm RAFAEL. "
That is the trawler.
"This past summer, Florida-based Marine Robotic Vessels International (MRVI) unveiled a USV that emphasizes reconnaissance over firepower. The 21-ft.-long Interceptor can travel at up to 55 mph, and is designed to be piloted both remotely and autonomously. "
A smaller stealth based model
Where hav
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Who measures the speed of boats in mph?
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Journalists.
Surveillance instead of engagement? (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, for engagement, I'd certainly agree with your point, but for surveillance, I'd think the platform would have a number of advantages.
The first one is stealth, if it's capable of hiding in between the seas, then you'll have a heck of a time picking it up on ship radar. Even if it is seen, it'll blend in fairly well with the sea clutter on the display. Helicopters and airplanes stick out like a sore thumb, both visually and on radar.
The second is speed. Although they'd take a significant hit in higher seas, they can potentially put up with more banging and bouncing around than a human crew could ever take. And, with the unit being virtually encapsulated, seaworthiness is no longer an issue (the water it would take would be minimal).
And as far as surveillance goes, couldn't a simple telescoping arm with a camera equipped with gyro-stabilized optics be employed? You couldn't use it effectively underway, but a slow/stop speed it would give you a decent vantage. I regularly use a 14x power set of gyro-stabilized binoculars and I can read boat registration numbers (3" high block letters) fairly easily from over a half-mile away in 5 foot sea conditions.
Let's face it, Popular Mechanics likes to write fluff, and whatever they can do to make something sound more cool, sexy and manly is their primary M.O. Step back, look at the actual facts (in which there are few in this case) and not the claims of the marketing group, nor the speculation and opinions of the writers and the real potential uses start to become visible.
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Hmm... a jet ski sized robot attempting to observe and engage in the open ocean.. I wonder if any of these guys have actually been in the open ocean?
The sea is big people. The waves are big, the wind is big and the ships are big. A really small boat just barely big enough to manage to stay afloat semi-reliably in open ocean is generally 30 feet long or more. They do make them shorter, but generally only as a stunt. What is a four foot tall vehicle going to do against a vessel with steel and concrete sides that reach probably at least 10-15 feet up? These things are going to present about as much threat to the average ocean going vessel as a chihuahua attempting to pee on one's foot.
We also mentioned the sea is big. Average swell depending on area can be 8 feet on a calm day. this means a jet ski about 4 feet high is going to either spend 75% of its time inside the trough of a swell unable to see squat, or skipping along the swell tops in a way that is going to strongly resemble video froma a surfboard cam. Very splashy but not too useful.
As a harbor or shore defense weapon I can see these being possibly quite useful against similarly sized vessels like dinghies and maybe cigarette boats, but anything offshore is unrealistic.
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/photosvideos/photos/greenpeace-zodiac-manoeuvres-i [greenpeace.org]
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Fully agree, being on a destroyer is hell (Score:2)
All I can assume is that these machines will designed to ignore the wash. Without
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But possibly not too much use against a real MTB.
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Ships (even boats) with "pirates" or "terrorists" on may well be themselves armed. Even if not thier crews typically are.
N4v33 Pw0n3d (Score:3, Funny)
I Only read the title, but ... (Score:3, Insightful)
If this stuff is not what dreams are made of, then I'll eat my eye patch.
This is the only question that needs asked (Score:2)
Fast maned anti-pirate vessels (Score:2)
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Still I take your point, a ship that can do 60knots/hr (110kmh) ought to make a pretty decent pirate chasing vessel for sure. Just get someone else to build it because my country seems patently incapable of actually producing the wondrous military innovations we produce. The Avro Arrow, the
This is stupid (Score:4, Interesting)
"THIS VESSEL IS A SATELITE CONTROLLED DRONE... PROVIDE 64 bank account access codes or it will OPEN FIRE! Your airwaves are being monitored!"
If this tech spreads into the world of piracy an isolated problem for the super rich may start striking all boaters... My sailing dingy is NOT bulletproof.
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Most likely a real pirate will interpret this as "...PROVIDE 64 bank account access codes or 6 RPGs..."
Really easy way to deter high-seas piracy (Score:2, Insightful)
Modern day piracy... (Score:4, Interesting)
Typically it will be at night, in the straights south of Singapore. 4-5 guys suddenly appear with big machetes, and they know where to be because the inside guy told them when and where. Oh, yeah, the traitors are on watch at the time...
Cell phones and text messages work for good and ill.
I am an gung-ho as the next guy, but If I am one seaman in a crew of 12 on a small freighter and I don't know which of my mates are "in on it", shooting it out with the pirates in front and the traitors at my back is not worth it. Take the stuff, it is not mine anyhow.
Seriously, if you want to stop piracy, shipping companies need to do better background checks on their employees.
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Obligatory PBF comic (Score:2)
Surveillance satellites? (Score:2)
Among its potential duties is intruder investigation, which could include scouting out unidentified boats,
So what can a small scout vessel report back that a surveillance satellite couldn't?
OK, maybe the name painted on the side of the ship. But that's about it, isn't it, and that's not necessarily the most important detail? It can't carry any decent weaponry - a 7.62 cannon wouldn't be much use against a ship and I doubt a small vessel is a stable enough platform to snipe the crew.
This news makes Al Gore very sad... (Score:2)
http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.gif [venganza.org]
Robot Pirate Island (Score:2, Funny)
Popular Mechanics? (Score:3, Funny)
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I mean, the boat part isn't so important, so long as it has a massive gun. Right?
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And obvious technical mistakes to boot... (Score:2)
Someone didn't proof read the caption, either: 55-mpg?!? The only boat that gets that kind of economy is a sailboat. They obviously meant 55 mph, which is mentioned in the article itself. A typical jet-ski gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-12 mpg, largely depending on how you ride it and its engine configuration (carbureted two-stroke, direct injection two stroke, or fuel injected four stroke). A boat the size described will be lucky to hit 4 miles to the gallon.
Re:Sigh. I love American grammar... (Score:4, Insightful)
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