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Intel Releases Several Projects to Help Save Power 83

GeekyBodhi writes "LessWatts.org is Intel's new website that hosts several power saving tools. As Linux.com reports, it also shares tips and tricks to help optimize power consumption on hardware from portable devices running on batteries to large data centers. 'LessWatts.org is not about marketing, trying to sell you something or comparing one vendor to another. LessWatts.org is about how you can save real watts, however you use Linux on your computer or computers.' As reported on Slashdot earlier, this isn't the first time Intel has tried to help Linux users cut their power bills. In May, the company launched the PowerTOP program that monitors individual processes to keep track of power consumption. The project comes at a time when more vendors are pre-installing Linux on handhelds and laptops." Linux.com and Slashdot are both owned by SourceForge.
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Intel Releases Several Projects to Help Save Power

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  • intel is also putting some effort into lower power x86 chips to compete with ARM [news.com] in bulky handheld internet devices. As if ruining the desktop wasn't good enough :/
    • What exactly are you basing the statement that intel "ruined the desktop" on?

      I'd say the desktop platform is in a great position. speed has gone way up and cost is way down, and we have more options then ever in the history of computing. I propose you are just a whinger who will never be happy no matter what.

  • Fewer Watts (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Shouldn't it be fewer Watts? Less Watts would mean less of Mr. Watts. Gee, at lest get the grammar right! They could say less wattage.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by ScrewMaster ( 602015 )
      No, his name is Lester Watts ... Les Watts for short.
    • by valdean ( 819852 )
      I work in advertising as a writer, and the purposeful misuse of grammar is an issue that comes up occasionally. When you're speaking to a consumer audience, and you want to say something differently than anyone else, then bending the rules of grammar can be a good thing -- language is a tool when used conversationally after all, it's not a set of strict rules. Advertising to the man on the street != arguing the law in court. Twisting grammar can even have a subtle element of being progressive if done proper
    • "They could say less wattage."

      That's like saying Voltage instead of potential difference, which is a generally accepted term, but unfortunately can lead to use of the term 'Ampage' instead of current which generally makes one sound ignorant. However, I am sure Intel (not to mention Linux fans) would have a problem showcasing a website proudly proclaiming that Linux and Intel means "Less Power".

  • In May, the company launched the PowerTOP program
    Power top... do I even need to make a joke? I mean it's just too easy.
  • powertop... (Score:5, Informative)

    by PaintyThePirate ( 682047 ) on Friday September 21, 2007 @10:50PM (#20707863) Homepage
    It looks to me like it's just a relaunched version of Intel Powertop [linuxpowertop.org] with better marketing behind it.

    Regardless, Powertop actually is a useful tool, and it's helped me get much better battery life out of my T61 running Ubuntu.
  • by Zymergy ( 803632 ) on Friday September 21, 2007 @11:20PM (#20708009)
    It would be interesting to compare the actual power usage between two sets of IDENTICAL test systems, one set running Linux and the Intel Optimizations described in the site, and the second set running the equivalent commercial MICROSOFT software (Server 2003, Vista, XP, etc..) running equivalent real-world workloads.... (And I suppose some sort of Linux Anti-Virus software would need to be procured and added to the Linux test systems to make it fair...)
    • The linux anti-virus system I run is sudo. It consumes very little power, or CPU cycles. And yet it is much more effective than McAntic.
    • by Kadin2048 ( 468275 ) * <slashdot...kadin@@@xoxy...net> on Friday September 21, 2007 @11:54PM (#20708169) Homepage Journal

      And I suppose some sort of Linux Anti-Virus software would need to be procured and added to the Linux test systems to make it fair...
      Why? Give each machine whatever it requires to safely accomplish its workload in real-world conditions. If that means loads more anti-virus and IDS/IPS on the Windows machine than on the Linux one, so be it.
    • While this site doesn't allow you to measure the power consumption of your operating system, it does allow you measure the consumption of many different components. I find it really useful when building a system:
      eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Lite v2.5 [outervision.com]

      Another thing to consider when buying a power supply is to be sure to get one that is 80+ certified, which means it has more than 80% energy efficiency, ie wastes 20% or less electric energy as heat, thus reducing electricity waste and bills.
      The 80 PLU [80plus.org]

    • by grotgrot ( 451123 ) on Saturday September 22, 2007 @01:57AM (#20708749)
      I did on my dual boot laptop (Lenovo T61). Under Windows with no tuning etc, all radios on, power consumption was 12W. Under the latest Gutsy (32 bit tickless kernel) with no tweaking and same screen brightness consumption was 18W. Turning off the physical radio switch reduced consumption by 1W. Doing all the powertop suggested tweaks brought things down by another watt. (Incidentally there wasn't much difference between the 32 bit tickless kernel and the 64bit tickfull kernel suggesting that most power consumption is in the various peripherals and devices).

      Basically Windows consumed significantly less power than Linux (about 30-40% less). From the lesswatts site it is good to see that more power saving will be in the Linux kernel in the 2.6.24/25 timeframe (eg SATA power saving) as well as user space (eg not polling SATA cdroms every 2 seconds looking for media changes). I guess we'll be seeing those updates in Hardy Heron.
      • Was that XP or Vista? (I'd expect XP to do much better than Linux, since laptops have basically been tuned for it and it for them.)
      • Were you using an external measurement or relying on the software to report it's own usage? For a truly comparable system one would want to use external measures (just ask Dave Jones).

        Gutsy features a number of interesting problems. It seems the GNOME brightness feature doesn't dim the backlight, but rather fades the screen output closer to black. This energy saving method might work on CRTs. It works less well on LCDs. I noticed no immediate savings increasing or decreasing the brightness output, in direct
        • Were you using an external measurement or relying on the software to report it's own usage?

          I was relying on the battery reporting via ACPI which is shown in the Gnome Power Manager under Linux and the Lenovo Power Manager under Windows. I believe both read the same underlying data from the battery. Measuring externally on a laptop (I do have the equipment) is harder since you'd have to plug a charger in at which point the software behaves differently.

          It seems the GNOME brightness feature doesn't dim the

    • by sjames ( 1099 )

      And I suppose some sort of Linux Anti-Virus software would need to be procured and added to the Linux test systems to make it fair...

      Not necessarily. All that's needed is equal resistance to viruses. If Linux can do that more efficiently than Windows, then it is unfair to discount that advantage by saddling it with an unneeded and unproductive overhead.

  • by bzipitidoo ( 647217 ) <bzipitidoo@yahoo.com> on Friday September 21, 2007 @11:33PM (#20708057) Journal
    I'd read cheap power supplies can waste upwards of 4/5 the energy converted to DC. Fixing that is way more savings than any OS or PC tweaking. An effort by Google [google.com] (pdf warning) was mentioned on Slashdot a while ago.
    • by houstonbofh ( 602064 ) on Friday September 21, 2007 @11:53PM (#20708165)
      There is a lot of good info on Toms Hardware Guide. A PSU listed as 'high efficiency' is %75 efficient. Toms showed several at %85 or better. And some as low as %60. And that is on total power, so big gains here.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        The sad thing is, efficient power supplies are a really marginal cost increase compared to the whole system. (My 375 Watt 80% efficient one cost me $60, including shipping). But since every OEM in existence insists on spending the absolute minimum on power supplies, you get lousy 60% efficiency, and a lot of blown power supplies.
    • by atrus ( 73476 )
      The efficiency of power supplies is also non-linear. They only peak when under a fair load. If a switching supply is minimally loaded, its efficiency is very bad (50%).
      • by bcrowell ( 177657 ) on Saturday September 22, 2007 @12:12PM (#20711859) Homepage

        The efficiency of power supplies is also non-linear. They only peak when under a fair load. If a switching supply is minimally loaded, its efficiency is very bad (50%).

        You'll find a variety of statements about this running around on the web. It's true that a switching power supply is a wildly nonlinear device (which is why, for example, you can't test it without a load). But there's no simple, reliable rule for when it will be most efficient. You'll hear some people saying a PS is most efficient when used near 100% of its rated capacity, and others who say 50%. Some usenet folks did systematic measurements (you can probably turn up the thread on google groups, I don't have it handy), and they found that basically none of these statements was generally true. There was no clear relationship between % load and efficiency that held true across a variety of power supplies. When people say that it's most efficient when almost 100% loaded (I know, you didn't say that, but other people do), there are two things to keep in mind: (a) it's not necessarily true, and (b) even if it was, you wouldn't want to design your system so that it used almost 100% of the PS's rated power. What typically happens if your PS is on the ragged edge of having enough power for your system is that you get random failures to boot which are hard to reproduce. The reason is that booting tends to require a lot of power (spinning up the drives, running the CPU full-out), and may go over what the PS can supply.

        The main thing is to get an 80PLUS power supply. Not only can you be sure it will be efficient, but it won't contain any lead.

        What Intel is doing seems laudable, but it seems like it's likely to be a very time-consuming way for an individual to cut one watt off of their system's power consumption. You want to pick the low-hanging fruit first. Get a power consumption meter such as a kill-a-watt, and take some measurements. I used to have a pair of speakers that drew 12 W, even when the computer was off, and I didn't know it. If you've got a CRT, replace it with an LCD. Another big issue is doing your word processing on a machine with a video card that gets hot enough to fry an egg on.

        The other big issue on Linux is poor support for power management. There are some success stories, such as the fact that the kernel automagically supports AMD cool'n'quiet, but in general, there are serious problems with sleep and hibernation on linux, and the reason is that manufacturers of peripherals refuse to publicly release the documentation for all the registers that need to be saved in order to restore their states when the machine wakes back up. Personally, I've never had any luck with sleep or hibernation on any machine I've ever installed linux on.

    • Power supplies are more efficient at lower temperatures (around 25C), so don't send the heat from your processor to the PS as most people do using a horizontal cooler over the heat sink.
      Instead use a heat sink that have a vertical cooler like Zalman CNPS9500
  • LessWatts.org is about how you can save real watts

    Real watts? You mean as opposed to imaginary watts?
  • by suv4x4 ( 956391 ) on Friday September 21, 2007 @11:46PM (#20708133)
    Any "PowerTaskManager" or something :(?
    Please?
  • am I mistaken or are they saying the program will tell me how much power it saved me? I think I would like to get a physical monitor that I can plug my computer into to record my power usage and determine like that before I trust what it tells me its done. I have 2 always on servers at my house that I would be very interested in using this on but I'll be testing it on another computer first.

    I am also wondering... isn't the tickless idle a standard thing on the newest kernels? so then aside from cutting dow
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      PowerTop does use a physical power meter: the battery in your laptop.
      • there is no battery in my media server, its a desktop. the same is true for my dedicated firewall. both of these system are on 24/7 which means they could save a lot more to be saved by keeping the processor off during idle cycles than a laptop that gets turned off when its not being actively used. speaking in a overall greenness or power bill and heat reduction sense of course. power saving in computers isn't just about the battery life of laptops any more.
  • Grammar (Score:4, Informative)

    by AdamWill ( 604569 ) on Saturday September 22, 2007 @12:42AM (#20708347) Homepage
    If they'd bothered running the site name past someone passingly familiar with the rules of English before going live, it'd be called FewerWatts. sigh.
  • by gillbates ( 106458 ) on Saturday September 22, 2007 @12:59AM (#20708471) Homepage Journal

    on modern Intel CPUs, the overwhelming majority are used to compensate for the fact that the CPU is ridiculously faster than the memory to which it interfaces. IOW, the cache. These CPUs consume between 80 and 120 watts [intel.com] of power. The reduced power versions use only 50.

    By way of comparison, the 1 GHz AMD Geode runs on about 1 watt of power, and ARM processors can get by for even less.

    By way of further comparison, a register to register transfer can be completed in 1/2 clock cycle. Contrast this with a read-modify-write memory cycle where a word is fetched from one memory location, modified, and written to a distant location, which will take 4 memory cycles (which typically runs at 1/2 or less of the clock speed of the CPU).

    The power consumption problem is due more to the fact that compensating for this difference in speed requires a large SRAM cache on the die. And even then, it's not perfect - if you do things which routinely involve cache misses (such as video encoding, etc...) the CPU is stuck operating at the effective speed of the memory bus.

    The key to reducing CPU power consumption is to use lower-latency memories, which require smaller on-die caches for a given performance level. We could double the throughput of DDR SDRAM by simply demultiplexing the address and data busses, similar to the way SRAM functions. There's no requirement in the underlying storage structure of DRAM to require separate row and column addresses; it's just a historical artifact. Originally, before DRAM and SDRAM became popular, computers were built with SRAM because its lower latency allowed even slow CPUs to work efficiently. But DRAM promised lower cost (via fewer bus lines) and lower power consumption (bits stored in charged capacitors, rather than cross-coupled transistors), at the price of latency, and the rest, unfortunately, is history.

    • The key to reducing CPU power consumption is to use lower-latency memories, which require smaller on-die caches for a given performance level. We could double the throughput of DDR SDRAM by simply demultiplexing the address and data busses, similar to the way SRAM functions. There's no requirement in the underlying storage structure of DRAM to require separate row and column addresses; it's just a historical artifact. Originally, before DRAM and SDRAM became popular, computers were built with SRAM because its lower latency allowed even slow CPUs to work efficiently. But DRAM promised lower cost (via fewer bus lines) and lower power consumption (bits stored in charged capacitors, rather than cross-coupled transistors), at the price of latency, and the rest, unfortunately, is history.

      Well, it would be great to have a gig of SRAM as your main memory, but that wouldn't be too good for overall power consumption, not to mention price. Besides, modern processors can turn off the power from parts of the cache, in order to save more power.

      On the other hand, I agree it's been a dumb decision to favour throughput at the expense of latency. DDR2 and DDR3 are unfortunately good examples of this. I guess we're back to the Pentium 4 -style marketing where megahertz is king, no matter what the

    • by renoX ( 11677 )
      >These CPUs consume between 80 and 120 watts of power. The reduced power versions use only 50.
      >By way of comparison, the 1 GHz AMD Geode runs on about 1 watt of power, and ARM processors can get by for even less.

      And? You forgot the other part of the comparison: the performance part, otherwise an unplugged CPU used 0W (and no a clockspeed is not a performance indicator).

      >We could double the throughput of DDR SDRAM by simply demultiplexing the address and data busses

      Which would have a significant cos
      • by sjames ( 1099 )

        And? You forgot the other part of the comparison: the performance part, otherwise an unplugged CPU used 0W (and no a clockspeed is not a performance indicator).

        Naturally, a slower CPU will tend to have lower performance unless you're running a VERY atypical application that gains nothing from cache in the first place.

        However, many many computers (especially in business) are used for nothing but some basic word processing, email, and web browsing. The most demanding computational task they perform is m

    • By way of comparison, the 1 GHz AMD Geode runs on about 1 watt of power, and ARM processors can get by for even less.

      Great, but where do I get a AMD Geode and a motherboard for it? I'd love to have a silent PC (actually, server: I made the mistake of believing AMD's Cool 'n Quiet hype and it really isn't all that quiet... but enough ranting). I know about Soekris Engineering [soekris.com]. The fastest they have is a 600MHz Geode. Probably more than enough for my needs, but they aren't exactly cheap. (I know why,

      • Great, but where do I get a AMD Geode and a motherboard for it?

        EBay has several sellers with Geode+Mobo combos to be found.

        The mobos, though can be any Socket A that can supply the extra-low voltages needed.
    • By way of comparison, the 1 GHz AMD Geode runs on about 1 watt of power, and ARM processors can get by for even less.

      That's a really terrible comparison...

      First off, your power figures on AMD Geodes are entirely wrong. The only 1GHz Geode I was able to find is the "AMD Geode(TM) NX 1500@6W," and beyond 6 being a lot bigger than 1, is much lower than the actual wattage rating anyhow, it's just like that 1500 PR number. For comparison the AMD Geode LX 800@0.9W processor is actually 500MHz, and operates at a

  • Besides to save power, Linux can be used to make computers less harmful to our environment and to solve some ecological issues. The Linux-Ecology-HOWTO [computerecology.org] explains how to use Linux to save power and consumables like paper and ink. Since it does not require big hardware, Linux may be used with old computers to make their life cycle longer. Games may be used in environmental education and software is available to simulate ecological processes.
  • Check the comments in [http://lwn.net/Articles/250786] yesterday's lwn.net story, however, in the summary they too give the wrong impression of sponsorship.

    The site is subscriber only, so here is one of the comments making it clear that this is not an Intel only site:

    "Posted Sep 21, 2007 4:04 UTC (Fri) by subscriber arjan (#36785) [Link]
    The site is by absolutely no means limited to Intel.

    If you have suggestions etc for other systems by all means contribute and I'll add them personally to the website [*]

    [*]
    • Which is why the whole site is plastered with "Saving Power on Intel hardware". Because it's nonpartisan and definitely not aiming to portray Intel as the least power hungry vendor out there. Sure...
  • by amsr ( 125191 )
    I wonder what the base power consumption is for a MacBook Pro running OSX. One would think it *could* be very low, considering the control Apple had over their own hardware. Anyone know how to find out?
  • That alone will save a lot of power in a system.
  • On the subject of power savings, I tried enabling the on-demand frequency governor when I last upgraded my system. Turned out that enabling AMD's PowerNow feature in the BIOS, which enabled the on-demand governor to work, caused my VMware virtual machine to randomly hang and/or stop its clock [vmware.com]. So I had to turn it off.

    I'm willing to try some of the other power-saving suggestions, but only as long as they don't cause problems in any of the applications I use.

  • Here's a tip for AMD users:

    You can reduce the power used on an AMD CPU by having it ramp the clock down when the OS is in an idle loop.

    To find out the current setting, you can use lspci.

    lspci -xxxs 00:18.3 | awk '($1 == "80:") {print $9}'

    This number will tell you what divisor the CPU is running at.. 0 is no clock ramping, and 61 is the maximum value.

    to set this:

    setpci -s 00:18.3 87.b=61

    If you have a second CPU socket (single/dual/quad core doesn't matter) you will have to also adjust 00:19.3. This may caus
  • there is a typo on page http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/wireless.php [lesswatts.org] where the line

    for i in `find /sys -name "rf_kill" ; do echo 1 > $i ; done
    should be substituted by

    for i in `find /sys -name "rf_kill"` ; do echo 1 > $i ; done
    and similarly for the other line below.

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