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Seagate to Drop IDE Drives by Year End 566

ianare writes "Seagate plans to cease manufacturing IDE hard drives by the end of the year and will focus exclusively on SATA-based products. Seagate is the first major hard drive manufacturer to announce such plans, though others will likely follow suit. That's not to say support for the 21-year-old PATA standard is going to vanish overnight; similar to how ISA slots were available long after most of us had ditched our old ISA peripherals."
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Seagate to Drop IDE Drives by Year End

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  • by Burdell ( 228580 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @10:48PM (#19991741)

    Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.
    I didn't know Slashdot was stored on IDE drives!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @10:48PM (#19991749)
    Dropping hard drives can really damage them.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Mike89 ( 1006497 )
      Lucky the Seagate consumer drives have a five-year warranty ;)
  • I mean, I have to go out of my way already to get a board that "supports" PATA. Hell, the last board I bought with PATA ports WOULDN't BOOT them... BY DESIGN. Even then, you'll get some RAID capability on the SATA ports, but not PATA.
    • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @11:00PM (#19991843) Homepage
      Exactly. Good riddance. It's not as though these things are in high demand. Sure some company will keep on producing them for people that are into legacy hardware, but I fully expected that the main manufacturers (Seagate, Maxtor, WD, et al) would stop producing these things eventually.
  • Good (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Espectr0 ( 577637 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @10:54PM (#19991785) Journal
    At the least, this will drive the price of SATA drive down. Maybe it will be the same like RAM, where DDR2 is actually cheaper than the old DDR memory standard.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by CastrTroy ( 595695 )
      All of us with DDR RAM are pretty bitter about that. I was pretty bitter about a year ago when I tried to buy SDRAM. That stuff is expensive. Still, I can hope that we can go back to the good old days (march 2001???) when SDRAM was $CDN 30 for 512 megs. That was when RAM was the cheapest it has ever been, at least considering how much you could do with 512 MB back then. Now that's that won't even get you the shiny desktop on windows vista.
  • Oh fuck. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by r00t ( 33219 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @10:55PM (#19991795) Journal
    What will I do when my drive dies again?

    I happen to like my computer. Being fanless and well-built, it is quite reliable except for the damn hard drive.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by EvanED ( 569694 )
      You can get a PCI controller card for $30 or so. I have two SATA drives, and most of my computer (including motherboard) is 5 years old, just as SATA was hitting the market, so I don't have integrated support.

      It's not ideal, but it works plenty well enough.
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by m4k3r ( 777443 )
      Perhaps your hard drives are overheating ? Installing a fan may help :p
      • by cgenman ( 325138 )
        Please note, that this is more than just a joke. I've made a lot of "silent" machines over the years (I was a quiet computer consultant for a while), and it's relatively easy to quiet a CPU or PSU safely. Most CPU's have thermal controls that will let you run more or less fanless, and with PSU's you just overbuy and underdraw.

        But the Hard Drive is always the problem. HDD's don't generally have thermal protections, and the kinds of problems you're likely to see with hard drives are the ones that show up s
    • Well, maybe you should add a fan to cool the HDD down???
    • Re:Oh fuck. (Score:4, Funny)

      by networkzombie ( 921324 ) on Thursday July 26, 2007 @12:58AM (#19992777)
      What will I do when my drive dies again?

      Well, you shouldn't have bought Maxtor drives to begin with.
  • by Doppler00 ( 534739 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @11:02PM (#19991857) Homepage Journal
    Poor motherboard manufactures still have to support all the existing legacy devices, even though new devices uses new I/O standards. I always find it amusing to see serial, parallel ports, and floppy connectors on new motherboards. Of course, until DVD drive manufacturers switch to SATA, we'll still see IDE connectors on mothboards. Do the SATA controllers really cost that much more?
    • The floppy and ps2 ports are unlikely to die any time soon.
      • by Blkdeath ( 530393 ) on Thursday July 26, 2007 @12:24AM (#19992565) Homepage

        The floppy and ps2 ports are unlikely to die any time soon.

        I recently purchased a couple new Dell computers for my company and couldn't justify paying extra for a floppy drive or hunting the site for a model with PS/2 ports. Instead I got 6 USB2.0 ports.

        ISA ports, serial/paralell ports, PS/2 ports, floppy drives, PATA; it's all old technology. Let it go already. Much like cars gave up on carburetors, houses gave up wood-based heating, etc. so must computers give up the antique technologies we cling to so dearly.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by EvanED ( 569694 )
      Floppy drives are still almost essential if you want to install Windows XP or earlier on a computer with a RAID or other controller card.

      It's an unfortunate truth.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by mmxsaro ( 187943 )
        This is true, yes, but you can always slipstream your controller drivers into a Windows XP CD without much trouble (that is, if you have another computer nearby to perform such a task) to completely bypass the use of a floppy.
        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by EvanED ( 569694 )
          This CAN take some effort though. I recently did this, slipstreaming (1) my SATA drivers, (2) Service Pack 2, and (3) all the hotfixes since SP2 into my XP CD, and I burned two or three coasters before getting it right. For instance, the first time I also tried to set up a semi-automatic install; but turns out this doesn't interact well with slipstreaming storage drivers like that. I forget what I screwed up after that.

          All-in-all it took rather longer than it would have to just do it normally, and I coaster
    • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @11:11PM (#19991957) Homepage
      I remember about a year back reading about state of the art motherboards that got rid of all this crap we don't need. I seriously think that more manufacturers should do this. I have no use for a serial, parallel, ps2, floppy connectors, IDE connectors, and all the other legacy junk they insist on putting on motherboards. Every one of those ports takes away 1 (or several in the case of parallel/ide) ports that could be something useful, such as USB, FireWire, SATA, or something that people will actually use. If people want to hook up ancient hardware, let them use PCI adapter cards and port replecators.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by karnal ( 22275 )
        Serial ports are useful. Not so much in the home, but they're still useful.

        Of course, a little USB-Serial dongle solved that issue for me when I had a thinkpad t42 at work a while ago...
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          I use a Belkin USB-Serial adapter at work nearly every week. In all honestly, I think it's actually gotten faster since we moved to the USB adapter, but maybe that's just me. ;-)
          P.S. - I work for an Advertising firm in my city. We run a few big digital (LED) billboards. One of which is pretty old and requires a serial port. The others are Ethernet.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Andrew_T366 ( 759304 )

        I don't know about you, but I'd MUCH rather have parallel, serial, PS/2, and IDE connectors--which are backwards-compatible with most everything and do what they are meant to do well--than a half-dozen more USB or FireWire ports that don't even correspond to any devices that I personally use.

        USB keyboards require special drivers and offer no interface-speed advantages unless you type at superhuman speeds.

    • Actually, it's the PATA devices that do. SATA has been built into Intel chipsets since the 865/875, NVIDIA chipsets since the NF3, and ATi since the 200M. So it's simply putting down a few physical connectors. NVIDIA and ATi/AMD still support a PATA channel on their chispets, but Intel chipsets newer than the 975X don't. That means boards with the 965 and 30-series have to buy another IC and put it on the board to get the functionality. Ironically, parallel, serial, PS/2, and the other much older legacy stu
  • Too bad... (Score:2, Funny)

    by DogDude ( 805747 )
    That's too bad. Seagate makes some decent drives. I only hope that this doesn't apply to Maxtor, now that Seagate owns them. I looooove me some Maxtor drives.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Enderandrew ( 866215 )
      When I worked for HP, we bought Maxtor, Seagate, Hitachi and WD drives. However, easily 90% of our HDD failures were due to Maxtor drives. Of all the hardware we had from all the vendors, the Maxtor HDDs were the items we replaced the most in warranty. I'd never touch them with a ten-foot pole. I wouldn't use one if it were free. I hate losing data to HDD crashes.

      I generally only buy Seagate or WD.
  • It's sour. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The tech industry as a whole deprecates and wastes so much. It is a wasteful nightmare.
    • PATA has been around for such a long time though, and we got about a four hear transition time. I certainly wasn't the quickest to adopt it, I'm glad it wasn't forced on the market within a year like the AGP to PCIe seemed to be. Sure, you could get AGP cards but the standard was relegated to second class treatment almost immediately.

      While I don't think I do anything that saturates a PATA connection, I like the fact that SATA drives can just be plugged into a backplane without fancy adapter circuitry, pro
      • Re:It's sour. (Score:4, Interesting)

        by garett_spencley ( 193892 ) on Thursday July 26, 2007 @01:51AM (#19993079) Journal
        I'm glad it wasn't forced on the market within a year like the AGP to PCIe seemed to be. Sure, you could get AGP cards but the standard was relegated to second class treatment almost immediately.

        Indeed. I was one of the poor unfortunate clods who went and upgraded his video card during the transition from AGP to PCI-e. I could have gotten a PCI-e version of my card but I only wanted to upgrade my video card, not my mother board etc. so I went AGP. I guess by now (about 2 years later) I got some good use out of it. But I'm the type of guy who likes to upgrade one component at a time as priority demands. Problem now is, in the last 2 - 3 years so many standards have changed so quickly. Much faster than I remember them changing (though that could just be due to aging). My current PC is pretty ok for my needs. But I'm starting to feel obsolete. It's single-core. 2Ghz. 1GB Ram. AGP card. IDE drives. When I upgrade I'm going to have to ditch this PC entirely and go BTX, dual or quad core, SATA, PCI-e etc. It will be an investment of a grand or two when I'm used to just investing a hundred or two here or there to upgrade what needs it.

        I strongly believe that the main reason so many people are stuck with ancient old PCs from the mid - late 90's is price above anything else. Yes computer prices have come down dramatically. You can buy a PC for a couple hundred now. But a lot of people have WAY more important things to spend a couple hundred on. Like bills and food etc. And if their PCs fulfill their basic requirements then there's no reason to go brand spanking new. Right now we seem to be at a point where it's brand new or nothing. Simply because so many standards have been ditched for new ones in such a short period of time (ATX to BTX, 32-bit to 64-bit, single core to multi, IDE to SATA, DDR to DDR2 just off the top of my head).

        Even if most of the standards have existed for some time, it's the manufacturers who, all of a sudden, decided to force the new ones all at once. That's how it feels from a budget conscious consumer.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          Don't be stupid. Nearly no motherboards are BTX (in fact I'd forgotten about it), nearly no-one uses the 64-bit abilities of 64-bit cpus, nearly no-one properly uses more than one core (most games only use one, and those are the only intensive tasks most people run), and IDE isn't dead just yet.

          But still, you're right that you will need to completely replace your pc to upgrade though, and while quite annoying, it's not the end of the world. You can still choose not to upgrade, and all you'll miss out on is
  • by Jethro ( 14165 )
    That's ok, I can still get my Western Digital drives.
    • Re: (Score:2, Offtopic)

      I hadn't bought a WD drive in years because I had some trouble with a few where I used to work (we got a really bad batch). However, a couple of months ago, I decided that my laptop's drive (40GB split 30/10 between windows and linux) was too small for all of the things I want to use it for, so I got one of WD's 320GB external drives.

      I have to say that I'm impressed. It's pretty quiet, has adequate air flow, and more than responsive enough for a storage drive.

      It feels nice to have real drive space again a
  • by leek ( 579908 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @11:29PM (#19992113)
    Seagate SATA long time on this.

    They're a bunch of SASies.

    PC Joe won't understand SCSI isn't old enough.

  • ISA... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gringer ( 252588 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @11:33PM (#19992143)

    ISA slots were available long after most of us had ditched our old ISA peripherals.
    You Insensitive Clod! I still have an ISA modem. Works much better than those silly winmodems, too.
  • The next thing you know, I am going to be told that BetaMax, LaserDiscs, CRT's and Windows NT 4.0 are being phased out. (Huddles in the corner to sob away while playing on his Lite-Brite)
  • by Michael Woodhams ( 112247 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @11:45PM (#19992237) Journal
    My motherboard has great big old PCI slots, and tiny little 1xPCI-e slots which are just as capable. PCI-e has taken over for graphics cards, but I've never even seen a 1xPCI-e expansion card. (The motherboard manufacturers don't believe they'll be used either - they put them next to the 16x slot where double-width graphics cards will make them inaccessable.)

    When will old PCI die? Perhaps very small format motherboards and laptops will eventually drive demand for 1xPCI-e cards?

    For that matter - is there any reason for low-end PCI-e graphics cards to be 16x, rather than 8x or even 4x? (They'd still fit in a 16x slot.) I suppose there is no demand - any PCI-e motherboard has a 16x slot, and there isn't anything you'd want to put in it except a GPU. About the only use I can think of is if you wanted one computer to run many low-performance displays - e.g. 8 monitors off four GPUs, each using a 4x slot.
    • by tdelaney ( 458893 ) on Thursday July 26, 2007 @12:20AM (#19992531)
      Hah - I can answer both of these.

      1. There are PCI-e 1x gigabit NICs and some of 1x video cards around. I think I've seen some 1x RAID cards as well, but I wouldn't swear to it.

      I've got a PCI-e 1x gigabit NIC I put into machines without onboard gigabit - performance and CPU usage are both excellent. Gigabit on PCI tends to saturate the PCI bus and have much higher CPU usage - you should always check that any onboard gigabit NIC is PCI-e.

      2. Tweaktown did some comparisons of a 7300GT on 1x and 16x - the results show significant differences: phics_performance_with_galaxy_geforce_7300gt/index .html []

      Tom's Hardware have two articles comparing 1x, 4x, 8x and 16x by masking off pins on graphics cards. The performance graphs are very interesting.

      Original article - X600XT, X800XT, 6800GT ng/index.html []

      Newer article - X1900XTX, 8800GTS _scaling_analysis/ []

      The basic conclusion is that you only need 4x for lower-end resolutions and quality, but if you're pushing high-end cards you really want 16x.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by adolf ( 21054 )
      PCI Express will finally replace PCI when the newer format becomes capable of doing something useful that the old one could not.

      Just a thought, but as it stands, there's just about zero advantage for a home user to switch to 1x PCI-e, which is the same speed as PCI.

      Sure, PCI is (usually) a shared bus, while PCI-e is point-to-point, but nobody really gives a fuck because they're all using the SATA and ethernet ports on that are built into the motherboard (which generally get their own bus these days, anyway)
  • by Anonymous Coward
    You can pry my Novell NE2000 board, Sound Blaster Pro, Cirrus Super VGA card, and Promise LBA Extender from my cold, electrocuted hands.
  • IDE graveyard (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Vskye ( 9079 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @11:48PM (#19992255)
    This really kinda sucks. I have a computer that needs a few legacy items like IDE, Serial and a parallel port. Why? Well, serial port(s) for my ham radio stuff and a parallel port for my perfectly good HP 6L printer. (might be an unknown issue with the IDE side)
    I also like to go back and play with a older OS sometimes which doesn't even see a SATA drive. Guess it's time to stock up on a few IDE drives.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by martijnd ( 148684 )
      Come on, you have to keep those Taiwanese manufacturers busy!

      USB to Serial dongle
      USB to Parallel dongle

      Quite nice actually, one little USB hub on the right spot, and just one tiny cable to the PC.

      And yes, I am buy my laser printers second hand; the LaserJet 6MP is perfectly fine for most
      purposes, and good, low page count second hands go for little money.

  • by Weaselmancer ( 533834 ) on Wednesday July 25, 2007 @11:52PM (#19992287)

    Hardware: Seagate to Drop IDE Drives by Year End

    They don't work so well after dropping them. I, for one, will not buy one of these dropped drives at any price.

  • Surely they aren't going to stop making SCSI drives. The article seems to imply that but I'll chalk it up to pure dumbfuckery on the part of the author.
  • by baeksu ( 715271 ) on Thursday July 26, 2007 @12:46AM (#19992711)

    As far as I've seen, most USB enclosures have IDE harddisks inside them. The same is probably true for firewire as well. So there's still a lot of IDE harddisks on the market, and people do want bigger capacities as well.

    Of course as a private company, Seagate are welcome to do as they please. There's still a few other manufacturers out there.

    For desktop PCs, I think it would be silly to buy IDE-to-SATA converters. At least the ones in Korea cost close to 30 bucks. Most of the IDE harddisks people have are probably around 100-250 GB size, and you can already get that size SATA drives for less than 50 bucks. So the converter is not much of an investment really.

  • by muffen ( 321442 ) on Thursday July 26, 2007 @06:12AM (#19994301)
    Don't understand why so many people are complaining about this, I doubt it will make any difference to the majority of people complaining.

    If you want to connect your old IDE drive to a new computer, just buy a converter [], if you can afford the computer, I'm sure you can find the extra $20 somewhere.

    If your old IDE drive breaks and you need a new one, get a SATA card [], it costs less than $30, so if you can afford the new drive, I doubt you will have a problem paying the extra $30.

    If you want to add storage space to your existing computer and all your PCI slots are gone or you don't know how to open a computer, get a USB drive. Since you don't have a SATA connection, I doubt speed is your main concern.

    Finally, if you don't have USB connections, get something like the NSLU2 [], you can even run Linux [] on it (I'm running two of those at home with Debian Etch, works really well).

    I'm sure you could come up with some scenario where the IDE drive would be useful and there really isn't any other option, but for the vast majority of people complaining, there are solutions already out there that will solve the problem.
  • Sources????? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by russ1337 ( 938915 ) on Thursday July 26, 2007 @07:37AM (#19994631)
    The Arstechnica article has this:

    The Inquirer (via various channel sources) first reported the move, and a Seagate spokesperson told Ars that the report was "probably" true.

    So there seems to be some doubt about the article. When you visit the Ars link to the Inquirer, there are no references whatsoever beyond "Chanel sources". The only other news article I can find links back to the Inquirer.

    I think I'd need to see a press release from Seagate before this gets any more of my attention.
  • No more IDE? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by WoLpH ( 699064 ) on Thursday July 26, 2007 @08:05AM (#19994793)
    So... they're going to sell SCSI only?

    When will people learn that SATA is also IDE...
  • by master_p ( 608214 ) on Thursday July 26, 2007 @08:35AM (#19995021)
    Windows has a problem with SATA: if the data on the SATA disk exceed 137 GB, the message 'write delayed failed' appears, and the data are lost.

    Searching around to see who's got the same problem on Windows XP + SP4, I found out that it's a common problem for Windows not yet solved by Microsoft.

    IDE disks do not have such a problem. I was thinking of buying IDE disks instead of SATA, but seeing that companies will drop IDE, it's not a very good long term investment.
  • by rtechie ( 244489 ) on Thursday July 26, 2007 @02:49PM (#20000591)
    The subject say it all. This is consistent with Seagate's moves to make the "Seagate" brand for professionals and "Maxtor" for consumers. IDE is seen as a "consumer" item now, so it has been relegated to the less-prestigious Maxtor brand. That's it. Expect to see Maxtor making IDE drives for another 2 years.

    And even if they stop, there are small SATA to IDE bridges available for about $20 which should work just about everywhere when space isn't a problem. Laptops might have issues, but I suspect 2.5" IDE dives will stay fround for a while for this reason.

    This has happened in the past people. Remember MFM?

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