DARPA to Raise Robot LANdroid Army 127
Banekartr writes "The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency plans to develop a fleet of robots that soldiers can deploy in urban combat settings as they move through houses and along streets.
The program, dubbed LANdroid, envisions miniature autonomous drones that can form a network capable of relaying radio traffic in a setting often considered challenging for communications equipment.
According to a notional image of a LANdroid included in a DARPA pamphlet, each robot will be about the size of a deck of cards, and must be rugged, lightweight and able to operate for seven to 14 days, the agency said.
Demand for technologies to improve the military's ability to fight in urban settings has increased in recent years because many of the operations in Iraq take place in Baghdad and other Iraqi metropolitan settings.
DARPA officials will provide additional information about the program during a July 6 industry day."
Not very covert .... (Score:2)
Really, how difficult will it to put a bounty out for kids to go about smashing such things with rocks or something? Unless they can stay undetected they're gonna be prime targets for removal by anyone who doesn't want them about.
Cheers
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I just hope they run linux so I can program my own LANDroid minions.
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Hopefully that's true. But, I don't get the impression that when there's a running firefight in urban parts of Baghdad that they've managed to clear out all of the civilians. In some places (maybe not Iraq, I don't know), the kids are sadly participating in the live fire.
When you're battling an insurgency/non-traditional forces, they don't always clear eve
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Ew. Robotic cockroaches. Armed. Hundreds of them.
Better hope that IFF thingy works.
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Won't a bunch of little robots crawling about be pretty conspicuous?
Really, how difficult will it to put a bounty out for kids to go about smashing such things with rocks or something? Unless they can stay undetected they're gonna be prime targets for removal by anyone wo doesn't want them about.
So do what geocachers do, figure out how to hide something in plain sight. A grotty old tin is lying in the gutter. Who would guess it actually contains a little robot cabable of moving the can around with s
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Also they may be susceptive to simple home-brew weapons. Robo-tasers, gadgets rigged from auto ignition coils, etc.
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The goal is to create small, inexpensive, smart robotic radio relay nodes that
dismounted warfighters drop as they deploy in urban settings. The nodes then self-configure and
form a mesh network - a temporary infrastructure that establishes communications over the
region. As the situation changes, the nodes will adapt the network, such as self-healing if nodes
are destroyed by the enemy. Through movement and density, the LANdroids will enable
effective communications in complex non
I blow my nose at your Landroids (Score:2)
I'll just counter-attack the Landroids using my LandLord(TM). It will send them home penniless and humiliated.
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Well... That is what the sniper hidden on the rooftop waiting for a "no-signal" alert is for.
And to be fair to the kid (and to those standing around him), the alternative was to just have a Predator drone drop some white phosphorus on last known position of the robot.
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Really, how difficult will it to put a bounty out for kids to go about smashing such things with rocks or something? Unless they can stay undetected they're gonna be prime targets for removal by anyone who doesn't want them about.
Ah yeah, but if they were invisible [slashdot.org]. Now that would be difficult to smash [slashdot.org]
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Seriously, though, if they really require some decent droids they should buy them from Lady Caslon....
Beowulf (Score:1, Redundant)
I predict (Score:2)
Picture one of those stage-hooks (Score:2)
That's probably just me, though.
Irony alert (Score:1)
Please no (Score:3, Funny)
Seriously, the little guy running with a rifle icon, that has to be from some grade school art contest. No one could possibly think those are functional informational graphics intended for grown ups.
And the green clouds?
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It's from a clip-art collection. I swear to god I've seen it before.
I think the "green cloud" is intentional -- if you look at it, it's not just a cloud, it's an overlapping of circles with radial gradients surrounding each of the nodes, presumably indicating their range or effective coverage area. Or maybe because it just looks cool.
Anyway, this is DARPA -- what do you expect? They're too busy thinking ab
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The green circles are all the same size. If the Landroid that fell down into the sewer can effectively cover the same area as the one clinging to the side of the building, this must be some new wireless LAN technology I've never seen before.
And the warfighters who are trying to communicate, they both look like Meatloaf wearing a cookpot on hi
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LANdriod? (Score:3, Funny)
And anyway, I thought that Lucas had a copyright on anything 'droid.
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But when I saw this article, my first thought was
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Simpsons (Score:2)
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The serious and lucid answer to that statement is the fellow who came up with the program was gunned down in Dallas on November 22, 1963. (Oddly enough, when George H.W. Bush was visiting Dallas that very day.)
Locator file for Geo. H.W.Bush:
Dallas on the morning of the JFK assassination, dining with Hinckley family on night before Hinckley Junior attempts to whack Ronald Reagan; brunching with brother of Osama bin Laden, and head of BinLaden Group, the day prior to,
I've got a bad feeling about this.. (Score:1, Funny)
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I can't wait (Score:3, Interesting)
As long as I could turn them off at night that is.
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Not as good for the soldiers as advertised (Score:2)
To Serve Man (Score:2)
They'll probably need to recharge their batteries rather than dedicate a lot of space to bigger ones.
When the Pentagon sends out little robots that feed on "battlefield casualty" bodies, we're all doomed.
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I strongly suspect that they're considered disposable -- you place them out to get communications coverage for one particular operation, and then just abandon them in place afterwards.
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just abandon them in place afterwards.
That may not be a good idea, since enemy forces could just then grab the abandoned droids, and use them to listen in or jam our communications. A better idea would be a self-destruct mechanism of some kind, to prevent capture.
Also, does anyone else think that these LANDroids sound a lot like the Probe Droids from Empire Strikes Back?
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Plus, if you're an adversary trying to avoid being killed by U.S. forces, picking up a U.S. radio and transmitting on it is probably unhealthy. As in, once detected, it could lead to serious HARM [fas.org]. (
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As in, once detected, it could lead to serious HARM.
Yeah, you have a good point there. However, it brings up another question. Presumably, these little robots will have soldiers nearby (otherwise, what's the point). So what's preventing the enemy from homing in on the radio signals emitted by these things when they're looking to ambush some GIs?
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But actually, using a little network of micro-repeaters like this makes life somewhat safer for individual soldiers, since their personal radios don't have to transmit with nearly as much power (since it just has to hit the nearest repeater, not the destination station). Also, if
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Nuclear material (Score:2)
Yeah, because it'd be a good idea to give terrorists easy access to nuclear materials/technology. :)
(Yeah, I know, RTGs use low-grade materials, but it's funnier if you don't think too hard about it. OTOH, it might make it harder to detect actual bomb-making materials if you're scattering around a bunch of RTGs.)Re:To Serve Man (Score:5, Interesting)
At your service. I saw the bat-signal and came a'running.
It would be nice, but I doubt it. RTGs are still incredibly expensive and wouldn't be used on something throw-away like this. In fact, the military as a whole tends to shy away from nuclear technology unless it's a bomb. The only reason why NASA still uses RTGs in the face of public protests is because nothing else will work. (Spacecraft live and die by the power available to them. Nuclear is not just an option, it's a requirement for extended space travel. People are going to need to accept that if we ever want to push out into space.)
More likely the military will look into using fuel cells or microgenerators to power these little buggers. For about the same space as it would cost to pack a couple of LIon batteries, the engineers could stick an alcohol fuel tank & (power cell | micro-gas turbine) with many time the energy density. That would allow the robots to meet or exceed the 7-14 day life expectancy.
Here's an example of just such a fuel cell: http://www.gizmag.com/go/5325/ [gizmag.com]
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The particular unit I linked to is a replacement for their current computer/radio batteries. You'd use smaller units in the "deck of cards" sized LANdroid.
You sure about that? The LANdroid is intended to provide Wireless communications for 7-14 days. Its actual movement
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I find that the unit could operate on 1.07 watts
Okay, but what is that, about three and a half days? That's far short of "seven to 14 days" mentioned in the blurb.
If you look at this description of a General Purpose Heat Source Module [doe.gov] (dontcha love those military descriptive names?), you see that the major problem with an RTG is, as you alluded to, mass and not size.
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You said:
Answer: No. Read above.
It also costs tens of millions of dollars. Like I said, RTG development is an ideal solution for many situations. However, the military does not currently have access to RTG technology, is not looking to devleop RTG technology, is cognizant of the fact that the publi
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The soldiers would be carrying around scalding hot devices as their power sources.
Okay, you win. But thanks for the link to the SRG page. Very interesting. Now I'm going to go read up on "linear alternators."
Time to update the old T-shirt.... (Score:2)
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Must... resist... urge.... (Score:2, Funny)
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hmm .. us gov plus robots (Score:2)
But if it saves human lives, then it is a good thing. Until they decide they are better than us and hunt us all down.
ROTFLOL
WiFi Repeater With Wheels? (Score:4, Insightful)
Leave the drive unit and motor control out, double the battery life, halve the weight and price, drop twice as many. Then design a separate device to do whatever they hell those tracks are on there for (giving the brass stiffies, is my guess).
JM2C, but this looks like a tits-on-a-mule cockup between war scientists and dipshit generals. "That looks good. Can you put wheels on it?" "Wheels, Sir?" "Yeah, wheels, so it can drive around, like that Grand Challenge thing you did. And the Predator. Autonomous warfighting robots, it's the future, son." "Umm, well, I guess it's possible." "Outstanding! Let me know when it's ready."
Not that I don't dig the shit out of DARPA, and I definitely want an autonomoous WiFi tank of my own, but this seems a little stupid.
Re:WiFi Repeater With Wheels? (Score:5, Interesting)
Seems like, if you had enough money to spend on the design, you could make a wifi (or similar UHF/microwave) repeater that was really tiny. Use custom ASICs, and I bet you could get something that was less than an inch in diameter and a few inches long, including batteries. Harden them appropriately, and you could drop them from planes over a target area, and even if you took substantial losses, would still have a functioning mesh network on the ground.
What you really want isn't a miniature tank with a Wifi AP strapped to it, what you want is an overgrown self-powered RFID tag with transmit/receive and basic routing capabilities.
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Sounds like war in general...
Not a technical problem (Score:1, Informative)
This is not a technical problem that robots will solve.
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I for one ::tab:: (Score:2)
incidentally how does one include strings in gt/lt brackets without the
& is your friend (Score:2)
Twin linked pulse carbines? (Score:1)
Darth Cheney's Other Plan (Score:1)
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Conservative_med ia_site_claims_Bush_will_1202.html [rawstory.com]
So really, when it all boils down to it, liberals watched Star Trek, and wanted to make the world like that, whereas conservatives watched Star Wars, and wanted to make the world look like that.
Just a like President and a Vice President, there is a master and apprentice. Which is which?
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"Well, what we do is make an exact duplicate of you, while killing you. Also, it might not be in that order, and sometimes one of those operations will fail."
and,
"There may only ever be one copy of the critical emergency medical software. Even if you get a portable, auxiliary storage device from the future. Move or move not. There is no copy."
Which brings to mind the Star T
Here's a plan (Score:2)
urban pacification .. (Score:1, Flamebait)
"This city has been pacified", Judge Joe Dredd
Re:urban pacification .. (Score:4, Funny)
Transcript From the Pentagon Meeting (Score:2)
Person #2: "How about a withdrawal?"
Person #1: "Unreasonable! Next!"
Person #3: "A death ray?"
Person #1: "Look into that, next!"
Person #2: "A withdrawal is the sane answer..."
Person #1: "No can do! Next!"
Person #4: "Ummm, a billion dollars for mind control research?"
Person #1: "Great! Add it to the budget, next!"
Person #2: "For a fraction of that we could end this."
Person #1: "Not acceptable! Gotta stay in! Next!"
Person #5: "A fleet of robot
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I don't know. Suicide bombers don't strike me as the type who are really concerned about their health. Maybe some life insurance for them and accidental dismemberment for IED makers?
I for one... (Score:4, Funny)
Landru? (Score:2)
demand for technologies has increased .. ? (Score:2)
How dare those Islamo-fascist-crypto-communists think they can run their own country and steal our oil.
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There was *no* danger of terrorism attacks coming from Iraq as Saddam Hussein kept the Islamic fundamentalists firmly under his thumb. And back when he invaded Iran, he was still one of Americas favourite dictators in the middle east. It was only after he invaded Kuwait that he became Americas second biggest
PTSD (Score:1)
Cute (Score:2)
Stairs (Score:2)
they are going to have a hell of a time with stairs
Says who? [wikipedia.org]
Actually, I see these things (the DARPA card deck-sized robots) being tossed through second floor windows, and launched to higher storeys.
didn't I see these things ... (Score:2)
Mini-Helicopters (Score:2)
A better alternative would be to make these droids into mini-helicopters instead. They could land on roof-tops and thus be more out of harm's way. Plus, they could
Another Conservative failure (Score:1, Insightful)
Gone are the days when our military is focused on "national defense". Now our military will be good for one thing, and one thing only: subjugating our Iraqi colony, and perpetuating the genocide of people who have the audacity to live above our oil.
Yep, these conservatives sure are smart.
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Realistically, most of the kinds of fighting in the post WWII era has been much like it is in Iraq--urban guerilla warfare fighting against a smaller outgunned and almost invisible enemy that use
SexBots (Score:1)
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Well.. (Score:2)
only helps terrorists (Score:1)
I just wonder (Score:2)
Yeah, I know, sounds like a bad movie, but a bunch of electronics can be 'persuaded' to fight it's own side than a bunch of brainwashed people.
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Misread (Score:1)
At first glance, I thought the headline was about the "raising of a RANDroid army."
I thought "Finally!" and was ready to grab my Objectivist Concordance and start marching.
University of Kansas (Score:2)
:O (Score:2)
Super Paper Mario (Score:2)
Re:Runaway (Score:2)
Minority Report? I immediately thought of the spiders in Runaway [imdb.com]
damn, y'all make me feel old.
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