Homemade Digital Cameras 230
Michael Golembewski writes "For the past three years, I've been taking apart cheap secondhand flatbed scanners and turning them into homemade large format digital cameras. They are well over 100 mexapixel in resolution, and produce results that are both similar to and significantly different from traditional digital and conventional cameras."
Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:5, Interesting)
Very cool effects. When I read the snippet I figured this was going to be something like the old "Make an E-size scanner out of any hand scanner" fraud that was popular for a few years back in the old days (remember stitching manually on a Pentium 200, anyone?).
For some reason I can't believe this works. I figured the scanning element (CCD) needed an intense amount of light to properly "read" an image on the bed.
The fact that you use duct tape to get everything "light tight" put a good smile on my face, as well as the fact that you even got this working. If you're thinking of selling artwork, I'll be the first in line (the lady and I realized it's time for more photo-prints in the house). By the way, the image taken of the actual camera doesn't seem very high res. Was this by choice?
Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:5, Funny)
"That is some eerie art! Is your initial part of your last name really pronounced "Golem" by chance?"
Talk about ADD...
Oh, and I guess he's using the Dark side of the duct tape?
Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:3, Interesting)
Although this can be problematic. At one point, I was trying to make a pair of 'blindness goggles' for some experiments, and I wanted to block absolutely ALL light reaching the eye, so there would be nothing external stimulating the vision centers. I tried layering duct tape on a pair of swim goggles, but it seemed that no matter how much I added, a little light would get through from bright sources. I ended up put
Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:2)
Gaffer's Tape = Duct Tape (Score:3, Informative)
SoupIsGood Food
Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:2)
When I was a student I joined a photography club at my technical university. The members were exclusively engineering students. Their "motto", loosely translated, was Photography is the best art form because technique/technology is an essential part of it. People did some pretty neat stuff there.
Of course, the pictures were usually technically excellent and many times incorporated some dark room tricks, but also the subjects were often nerd things. I remember a comp
Re:Amazing tech skills with art value! (Score:2)
Analog hole (Score:5, Funny)
Vacation (Score:3, Funny)
Recycling in a Good Way (Score:5, Interesting)
Opened a path to new computer technologies and related devices [suvalleynews.com]
Re:Recycling in a Good Way (Score:3, Informative)
Several of what? An old scanner is pretty useless without a decent lens with large area coverage, and a housing to mount it in. That's not exactly cheap. If you have old large format cameras or lenses just lying around, then getting a scanner is the least of your problems.
I don't know about you, but I have Horseman 4x5 cameras coming out of my ass.
Re:Recycling in a Good Way (Score:2)
Sounds painful, however, FTA: "Things from the thrift store...
As a way of improving on the results of my first primitive scanner camera frames, the redesign of existing optical devices and simple cameras proved to be extremely valuable. While large format camera frames are traditionally prohibitively expensive for the amateur photographer, there are a number of alternative sources that can provide high-quality results. The red
Re:Recycling in a Good Way (Score:2)
In other words, you won't be getting the same results as the pictures you see taken with his Horseman 4x5 version. Especially if you use a Box Brownie lens. And then there's the time to assemble it - a task which is more difficult without a pre-built camera to modify. And this guy seems pretty exper
Re:Recycling in a Good Way (Score:2)
A Modern Salvador Dali (Score:5, Funny)
Re:A Modern Salvador Dali (Score:2)
A couple of years ago I accidently left the flash turned off on my digital camera. The pictures were hopelessly smeared, but I took a closer look in gimp one day when I was looking for interesting images for a web page background. You should try it. CCD does not smear like film. The results can be very interesting.
Re:A Modern Salvador Dali (Score:2)
"Those who do not want to imitate anything, produce nothing."
[http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/salv
Brave guy (Score:5, Funny)
Still, quite cool. He did a good job of describing the effects - made it informative, yet simple enough for most people to understand.
Re:Brave guy (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Brave guy (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Brave guy (Score:2)
Re:Brave guy (Score:2)
Please Visit my site on this cached mirror... scanner photography
where the link is again to exactly the same coral cache mirror page
I'm sold (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I'm sold (Score:3, Funny)
If you want to do landscape photography with this, then you've missed the point entirely. =P (Unless you're talking about clouds or something)
Re:I'm sold (Score:2)
There were two points. First, cool effect with the motion and all. Second, 100+ megapixels!!
Here's another idea. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Here's another idea. (Score:2, Informative)
You can distort with a 35mmSLR too (Score:3, Informative)
Wow (Score:2)
Re:Wow (Score:2)
Time-lapse photo finishes (Score:5, Informative)
See here - http://www.sportingworld.co.uk/newyearsprint/pics
The best ones are when somebody puts their feet on the finishing line, and it gets stretched out to several "metres" long.
Argh! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Argh! (Score:3, Informative)
man... (Score:2)
Those pictures are amazingly one-of-a-kind.
115 Megapixels? (Score:5, Interesting)
lhk
Re:115 Megapixels? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:115 Megapixels? (Score:3, Interesting)
Is it only those of us who DON'T do digital photography that wonder if that's not as obvious as it looks?
Not a flame. I know fsckall about this, but I thought a megapixel was a marketspeak way of saying a 32x32 (or similar factors-of-1024 dimensions)
Re:115 Megapixels? (Score:5, Informative)
So in this configuration the raw file would hold 16Mb more or less. If this file is compressed with a non-lossy (gzip, zip, bz) compression it can be expected at least a 2x compression rate, so it would re-shrink it to 8Mb.
So I guess that it is not that obvious that a 8Megapixel camera will have a 8Mbyte raw file, even if it seem obvious.
Re:115 Megapixels? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:115 Megapixels? (Score:5, Insightful)
Secondly, just because it is a 4x5 camera doesn't mean that the image being scanned is 4x5; if the scanner is placed behind the film-plane of the camera, the projected image size will increase. In fact, even if it is ON the film plane exactly, it's likely that there would be a (slightly) larger area than 4x5 inches available, as the projected image would be cropped to fit the rectangle of the film frame in normal use.
Re:115 Megapixels? (Score:3, Insightful)
You can see the scanning lines in a lot of the pictures and they are not a result of the art, but from techincal shortcomings. The time distortion effect is nice however.
Re:115 Megapixels? (Score:2)
I browser the shops few days ago looking for combo scanner/printer and I can confirm there's a load of 2400dpi scanners + printer for about a hundred of dollars or less.
Better than in Make for so far (Score:4, Interesting)
Dicomed digital camera back.. (Score:5, Interesting)
My first digicam (Score:5, Interesting)
Knowing the discharge rate of the DRAM and the time to load and scan all 256 elements you could get a black and white image. We used the camera for some image recognition work. One application was counting the number of cups remaining in a drinks machine hopper by edge detecting the image then counting the "lips" that we saw.
That was back in the autumn of 1986. We've come a long way.
EPROMs (Score:2, Interesting)
I remember reading about a similar attempt using EPROMs in late '80s. In a normal recycling procedure, these were erased by shining a high intensity UV light for a couple of minutes through the glass window that's present in the IC shielding. After making sure all bits are reset, the window is covered by a sticker or label. Then the data is 'burned' and the (typically 256Kb/32KB) ROM was inserted into your BBC micro (insert favorite hobby computer).
Similar to the process you describe, an image could be gath
Re:My first digicam (Score:2)
the lid off the top of it (it was a ceramic package with a soldered on lid). I then glued a microscope
slide cover on top of the chip. I interfaced the chip to my friend's apple-2 computer and he wrote
software to read the dram multiple times and convert the bits to a bit mapped picture on the apple.
We could get a few levels of gray scale by the multiple read and timeing technique. The first image
was that of
Open Source Makes It Work (Score:5, Interesting)
The scanner software that comes with the scanner he's presently using shuts the thing down if there are hardware faults. All his mods count as hardware faults thus making the shipped driver useless to him. He discusses a closed source pro driver which is a bit better, but still not perfect for his needs. Then explains how he uses SANE to make the thing actually work like he wants.
That's cool -- an artist embarks on getting enough programming language to modify a program so he can use it like he wants to. That's owning your hardware in the purest sense. And it's made possible by the community that generates all that great open source software.
Re:Wrong assumtion (Score:3, Funny)
Then you should ask for your money back; that's pathetic.
TWW
Re:Open Source Makes It Work (Score:2)
I also modified a program once to serve my needs, although my mod was on software of a much simpler type. I had that option because I could muck about in the source. The fact is, he couldn't modify the closed source drivers, and he could the open ones. Open source puts the power over hardware in the hands of anyone who wants to learn a thing or two. That's empowerment -- not a fanboy rant.
Mexa-pixels? (Score:5, Funny)
Does that mean each pixel can hold 100 mexicans worth of optical information?
Re:Mexa-pixels? (Score:5, Funny)
Does that mean each pixel can hold 100 mexicans worth of optical information?
That's nothing. My camera has a brazilian pixels.
Possible improvement (Score:2, Funny)
Repeating History (Score:5, Interesting)
Sadly we did not experiment with more motion. I think the "experimenting" with motion is the interesting part (as far as photography is concerned). Some of the pictures on the site are enjoyable. Hacking it all together yourself is interesting too, at least for us geeks.
As for the comments in the style of "large format photography is only about the image quality"... it isn't exactly only about that. It is also about stuff like parallax control (putting buildings "upright" with parallel lines) and depth of field control (laying the plane of the depth of field folded through the scene in order to allow image to be sharp on other areas). All this can theoretically be achieved even with smaller formats, but due to mechanics it gets harder the smaller the format (Arca Suisse's 6x9cm cameras seem to be the smallest that still work very well, at least in my experience).
Therefore the "experiments" done with this hack to in a line a bit with stuff like putting ordinary photographic paper into a large format camera or using polaroids for transfer prints. The "long exposure" part of it is also a reference to the times way back, when due to old processes like the daguerreotype, portrait subjects were held up with wire constructions. Very cool, all of this hack, congratulations.
Similar tinkering (Score:5, Informative)
Rochester Institute of Technology years ago. His site is interesting
http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/ [rit.edu]
Many have done the same later on. I got through a Christmas period converting a Umax page scanner to a panorama scanner. It was fun.
http://www.pigment-print.com/Panorama%20Camera%20
Inspirational! (Score:2)
Mobile phone camera (Score:3, Interesting)
http://dimss.solutions.lv/samsung-phone-camera.ht
Awesome stuff! (Score:2)
I'm just wondering if you (or anyone else) has considered changing the speed of the scanner motor so you can do long exposure stuff. Capturing a sunset or something running from top to bottom would look absolutely awesome.
However, I guess you'd need to stop down dramatically for something like a 15 minute exposure of the sun...
pinhole (Score:2)
Dupe, happended 7 years ago (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Dupe, happended 7 years ago (Score:3, Informative)
a lens. In the newer article, the scanner was used as is, but with the lamp
removed. I like the latter approach better. So this isn't a dupe,
but a new improved method.
Re:Dupe, happended 7 years ago (Score:2)
- Building a digicam from a scanner -
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/05/05/1823207.sht
Coral Cache (just in case) (Score:2, Informative)
With that many pictures I would have used the coral cache link in the summary.
Similar effect by processing video (Score:3, Interesting)
I've played with this and got some images I'm very pleased with. However it's spurred me into wanting to hack some scanner hardware. Unfortunately I'm more comfortable with software than I am with the mechanical...
I wrote up the video to panorama stuff [hartnup.net].
Scanners work for macro digital photography too (Score:4, Interesting)
You have to set the scan area as small as possible.
I had to prop the lid open a tiny bit, which left tiny shadows, as if the chips were floating above a white surface.
Amazing scanner use (Score:4, Funny)
Is there anyway to disassemble a scanner to create a fast server?
Next...Make a Polaroid (Score:2)
Scanner as camera (Score:2)
Infinite cache loop (Score:2)
"Please Visit my site on this cached mirror... scanner photography [nyud.net]"
Which of course takes you to a page that says:
"Please Visit my site on this cached mirror... scanner photography [nyud.net]"
And following that link.....
For his next project... (Score:3, Funny)
Macro with scanner (Score:3, Interesting)
At first I tried using film; but the turnaround time, even with 1-hour developing is a drag, because it's tough to get everything Just Right, when you're dealing with highly-reflective and very small objects. So, we discovered that it's much easier to just drop the stuff onto a flatbed scanner and do a hi-res scan. The old HP scanner I had at the time had a really deep depth-of-field and a nice wide, diffused light source, so even non-flat pieces came out very nice. And, you could stick colored paper or cloth on top of the product for fun backgrounds - propped-up a bit if you needed to get the background out of focus.
Then that scanner died and I couldn't find another scanner that would duplicate the DOF and diffused light source. So I bought a digital camera.
But, boring story short: if you can find a scanner with the right DOF, you can do some really great macro stuff with it. 4000dpi at 1:1 shows a surprising amout of fine detail.
Mirroring Help!!! (SITE'S BACK UP) (Score:5, Informative)
slit and strip photography (Score:3, Interesting)
combine this with some really wild slit/film configurations, and you can get some interesting images... check out what andrew davidhazy [rit.edu] is doing with moving slit photography, especially some of this stuff [rit.edu]. he even has some articles discussing scanner derived camera backs here [rit.edu] and here [rit.edu]
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't see hwo you'd do that without a lot of photoshop work (go and look at some of the fun distortions they get due to the way a scanner scans the image).
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:3, Informative)
For the scanning effects, you take a video or continuous shooting (most digital cameras support both) and simulate the scanning by taking scanlines sequentially from successive frames.
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:5, Insightful)
So that's one point. But more broadly, it seems to me to be a bit more organic than using photoshop. He says the effect is reletively predictable, but given unpredictable environments, such as cars on a road, the picture could end up more interesting than anything you could concieve and then coerce into existance
Finally, I really, really, really don't understand why these types of comments are made. Every bloody hack article there's some grim, sad comments about how the hack sucks because a) it could be done easier in some other way, b) it's 'pointless', c) it's 'try-hard', or whatever other reason. It's so infuriating - do you have any sense of exploration and experimentation? Or understand the desire to tell others about your experiences?
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:2, Informative)
You can buy a high-resolution scanning digital camera off the shelf, which gives you exactly the same distortions but actually produces excellent still images. You can buy a used Horizon camera and get the same effect on film, minus the banding, stuttering, and poor focus. You can look on the web for "slit-scan photography" (used, among other things, in the film "2001"). You can do this sor
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:3, Informative)
I don't. I have a chip on my shoulder about people claiming something as artistically and/or technically new when it has been done numerous times before, and often better.
Here [sentex.net] is one link. Here's [rit.edu] another one. There have been a number of other variations, including leaving the scanner in the film plane of a LF camera.
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:5, Insightful)
But nobody claimed this. The article says:
The examples you provide are not provided by the standard use of traditional equipment. The article does not claim this effect has never been done before.
What do you mean by "better"? Art is very subjective, there is no absolute scale of goodness. Does it matter that Andy Warhol used mediums that many other people used?
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:2, Insightful)
It's an individual accomplishment, and perhaps he discovered this himself. If you discovered an algorithm, made an invention, or such by virtue of your own intellect and effort, wouldn't you think it were nice? And that you wanted to share it?
Just ease up a little. Don't be so picky about prior art. ; )
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:3, Informative)
For anyone that's interested, there's a reasonably good page describing the technique here [rit.edu] and pages about it's application in the stargate sequence of 2001 here [seriss.com] and here [underview.com].
It's possible to fake the technique in Adobe aftereffects with the time displacement filter too.
Two questions. (Score:3, Funny)
And second, why on earth is this so hot [atspace.com]? Mmmmf.
Re:Two questions. (Score:2)
'Take a picture'
Re:Two questions. (Score:4, Funny)
Sigh. Only on slashdot. Who cares what [apple]-shift-3 does when this picture [atspace.com] is only two pictures to the left.
I mean, there's a freakin' G5 box in that picture. Those things are awesome ; )
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:2)
Sorry about posting again, found quote (Score:2)
So ist's mit aller Bildung auch beschaffen:
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Nach der Vollendung reiner Hoehe streben.
Wer Grosses will, muss sich zusammenraffen;
In der Beschraenkung zeigt sich erst der Meister,
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Re:why not just post-process? (Score:2, Informative)
It's a different effect and it's captured through optics and t
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:3, Informative)
But it is the same way existing digital line cameras work, and it's the same way film-based line cameras work, yielding, not surprisingly, the same effects.
It's an original idea,
No, it's not. Even the consumer-scanner-as-large-format-camera is old.
I'd be interested to see if color filters on the lens would allow you to take multiple exposures for red/green/blue
Old hat! (Score:4, Interesting)
Pshaw. Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii [wikipedia.org] did it first.
Re:Old hat! (Score:2)
Shrinky Dinks (Score:2)
I can see you're not a photographer (Score:5, Insightful)
You'll find it in Goethe. I can't remember the original word for word, but in effect he says that without working within restrictions we never reach the highest levels of achievement; whoever wants to make something great must submit to the limitations of some medium. This guy has found a restricted medium that can be used to produce something like art. Arguments about megapixels are as irrelevant as arguments about how fine Renaissance artists could grind up their paint.
Erm, you miss the point... (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, post-processing actually only works on the image you have in front of you. Given that the scanner exposes individual lines in the image over time (e.g. it - "scans") to generate the end image, you would actually need a movie to be able to generate the same effect with post-processing. A movie with very high-quality frames, and an unbelievably high frame rate (effectively you would want a frame for each line, so depending on the scan speed up to perhaps a few thousand frames a second - and then you would throw out the entire frame except the single line you wanted.) The scanner idea is starting to sound better to me.
On a more general note, this whole attitude is endemic now. Sure you can correct stuff later, but it is generally better in photography to try to get the best image you can at the moment you are taking it; you've then have got a lot more to work with! The phrase "polishing a turd" comes to mind...
Re:why not just post-process? (Score:2)
I suppose it's a question of whether you consider photography as something where you visualize something and then create it, or whether you randomly snap things until you get something that looks cool.
In this particular case, however, the effect itself is quite old--far older than digital; you get the same effect, for example, with panoramic film cameras, which work by m