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Graphics Card Comparison Guide 271

JaniceZ writes "These days, there are so many graphics card models that it has become quite impossible to keep up with the different configurations. Therefore, we decided to compile this guide to provide an easy reference for those who are interested in comparing the specifications of the various desktop GPUs in the market as well as those already obsolescent or obsolete."
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  • by tute666 ( 688551 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @07:34PM (#13364241)
    they'll be obsolete in 5 minutes anyways....
  • by linux_warp ( 187395 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @07:35PM (#13364244) Homepage
    This article does not provide benchmarks, just things like "transistor count" and the number of pixel pipelines. Check out http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050705/ index.html [tomshardware.com] has the same information and benchmark charts.
  • Me dumb (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Monte ( 48723 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @07:39PM (#13364268)
    Let's say I didn't know anything about graphics cards. How does this help me?
    • Re:Me dumb (Score:2, Informative)

      by feanor512 ( 905622 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @07:56PM (#13364328)
      Look at the fillrate and memory bandwidth. In general a card with a higher fillrate and more memory bandwidth is faster than one with a lower fillrate and less memory bandwidth. This isn't always true, though. The ATI Radeon 9700/9800 series is faster than the Geforce FX 5900 series clock for clock, while the Geforce 6800 series is faster than the ATI X800 series clock for clock.
  • by Crashmarik ( 635988 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @07:40PM (#13364271)
    If the manufacturers didn't go out of their way to completely confuse the issue to the point where there are no definitive answers to the question.
    • by mblase ( 200735 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @09:22PM (#13364604)
      We really wouldnt need this type of thing if the manufacturers didn't go out of their way to completely confuse the issue to the point where there are no definitive answers to the question.

      Yeah, why should all these capitalist commercial corporations be so insensitive as to confuse the question of whether their competitors make a better product?
  • Comment removed (Score:3, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @07:49PM (#13364304)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Short list (Score:5, Informative)

    by Brian Stretch ( 5304 ) * on Saturday August 20, 2005 @07:57PM (#13364334)
    If you want Linux compatibility, you want nVidia. Yes, nVidia's drivers are closed-source, but they're at the same level as their Windows drivers, right down to the overclocking controls.

    If you want a fanless, low-power GPU that can also do light gaming, get a GeForce 6200 with as much onboard RAM as you can find (ignore the TC "TurboCache" crap).

    If you want a midrange, not-too-power-hungry card, get the 6600GT. This is my favorite card.

    If you need a high-end GPU, get a 7800GT. If you have money to burn, get the GTX version. Check to make sure your power supply is up to snuff (Seasonic S12 series is my favorite, highest efficiency I've found), especially if you did something silly like buy an Intel P4. If you can afford one of these you can afford a proper AMD 64-bit processor to go with it.

    There, everything you need to know. The 6200 was a pleasant surprise to me. I put one in my parents' Shuttle SFF box (Athlon 64 3000+), replacing a Ti4200, and the lower power consumption was enough for the main system fan to slow down to its minimum 1000RPM most of the time. It's still good enough to play UT2004 Demo at full detail at 1280x1024 res.
    • Re:Short list (Score:2, Informative)

      by s_p_oneil ( 795792 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @08:17PM (#13364405) Homepage
      You have to watch out for some of the 6200's. Some are a step down from the 6600's and others are a step up from the 6200 TurboCache versions. Even though they're not TurboCache versions, they are actually slower than the original 6200. It's a shame that they're not marked as being different from the others.

      If you want silence, there are some fanless 6600's on the market. They may use too much power to run in a Shuttle, though. ;-)
    • Re:Short list (Score:3, Informative)

      by NitsujTPU ( 19263 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @08:19PM (#13364415)
      He's right. I have an ATI video card, and it's pure misery.

      People will argue it in both directions, but they're just completely incorrect. My 4 year old GeForce works far better under Linux than my brand spanking new Radeon.
      • Re:Short list (Score:4, Interesting)

        by adam613 ( 449819 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @10:00PM (#13364708)
        That's not surprising. Most four-year-old hardware will work better on Linux than the brand-new equivalent, because various developers have had four years to write drivers.

        What is impressive about nVidia is that their brand-new hardware works just as well under Linux as the four-year-old stuff.
        • by NitsujTPU ( 19263 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @10:34PM (#13364814)
          I totally understand.

          However, on both fronts, I am using the proprietary drivers. On one front, I paid $300 for a card (included in a notebook), that will have devalued significantly by the time I am able to use all of its features.

          Had I purchased an nVidia, it wouldn't have been a problem.
    • by pyite69 ( 463042 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @09:46PM (#13364665)
      I have a 6600GT and it is nice, but I think I am going to get a Gigabyte 6600 256MB because it is apparently fanless.

      My computers sounds like a jet engine.
      • by Kargan ( 250092 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @10:19PM (#13364764) Homepage
        You could always just buy a third party silent VGA cooler. Just remove the stock cooling array and attach. $20 for a good one at most places around here.

        The 256MB 6600 apparently doesn't need a fan because it's not even close to performing as well as the 6600GT.
    • Nvidia Linux support (Score:5, Interesting)

      by DrJimbo ( 594231 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @10:17PM (#13364761)
      A couple years ago, I noticed a memory leak in OpenGL apps when using Nvidia drivers and an experimental Gentoo Linux kernel. I sent Nvidia an email about it around 10 pm Saturday evening.

      I got a response about 20 minutes later which included a patch for the Linux kernel I was using. I recompiled my kernel with the patch and it fixed the leak.

      It is too bad their drivers are closed source, but I have to say that their Linux support is outstanding and on a par with the best support I've experienced.

    • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @10:18PM (#13364763) Journal
      Yeah, I've always had good luck with nVidia drivers/cards and Linux - although not sure I'd say they're exactly "at the same level" as the Windows driver counterparts.

      On my MythTV box, using a GeForce 4Ti 4600 card, I've run into lots of issues of nVidia changing around little details related to the card's ability to output in HDTV resolutions, to properly select or auto-detect which port the card is connected to (s-video, composite, or DVI/VGA) and other such things. It generally works well... don't get me wrong. But some of the optional parameters nVidia says you can specify in your XF86Config-4 file seem to shift around from version to version in their driver updates, and things that work fine in one release are broken again in the next. (Lately, I've had issues where the option to specify some "overscan" for composite or s-video output with an integer value between 0.0 and 1.0 seems to have no effect at all on my card.)
    • Re:Short list (Score:2, Interesting)

      by myslashdotusername ( 903486 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @10:21PM (#13364773) Homepage Journal
      If you want Linux compatibility, you want nVidia.

      and if you want a graphic card with a Manufacturer's Warrenty you want to get an ATI. Seriously for certain card models ATI cards aren't that badly supported (even under linux) sure, most ati cards work better under windows than under linux (with a few exceptions) but if you're buying a gaming system and worrying about linux you're either A. dual booting or B. running some type of virtual machine set up, or C. planning on migrating down to 'linux' when you retire the system. and if you're building a 'workstation' you're going to be looking at the FireGL cards, and nvidia has nothing that compares to FireGL and the linux drivers for ATI products are Specifically written for the FireGL product lines..

      so you be happy with your Nvidia card which has some dubious warrenty from some company who may or may not have a 'real' setup for providing warrenty service, and requires you to return the card to a retailer, who pays a $xx,xxx a year fee for the right to RMA defective products to the manufacturer. i think i'll stick with ATI, and if i need an ATI card to work under linux I'll be sure to grab up a FireGL card...
      • by IntergalacticWalrus ( 720648 ) on Sunday August 21, 2005 @01:19AM (#13365308)
        "nvidia has nothing that compares to FireGL"

        Say that again? What about Quattro??
      • by aaronl ( 43811 ) on Sunday August 21, 2005 @01:50AM (#13365388) Homepage
        As previously pointed out, the nVidia equivalent to the FireGL is called the Quadro. It's been out for several years now and is extremely well supported.

        nVidia also has the most complete and accelerated OpenGL implementation on the market. They have much more stable drivers than ATI, and the actually support their previous generation hardware. They don't tend to do massively bloated "we require 128MB RAM for our driver" type crap.

        When ATI gets around to releasing a driver that actually loads on a new kernel, it doesn't work right anyway. nVidia gets you the advantage of as fast or faster performance on Linux, compared to Windows.

        Also, why would you be needing a professional graphics card for a workstation. Perhaps you're using that "workstation" to do work instead of play games. I use my workstation to do programming and system/network administration. Why do I need a FireGL?

        Every few years, I'll risk throwing money at an ATI product. I've been burned every single time that I've done it, dating back to my mach32 VLB card. They drop driver support, half-ass what they do have, but at least they've stopped making shoddy hardware.
    • by IntergalacticWalrus ( 720648 ) on Sunday August 21, 2005 @01:29AM (#13365332)
      I'm loyal to nVidia (at least in their video cards, not so much in their motherboards) but I wouldn't say their Linux video drivers are at the same level as their Windows drivers. For example, I'm still waiting for proper TV-in support (no, RivaTV doesn't count, it's an awful hack that will never work properly).
    • by cowbutt ( 21077 ) on Sunday August 21, 2005 @03:18AM (#13365571) Journal
      There, everything you need to know.

      Not quite; if you want a card that works using the Free XFree86/Xorg drivers and offers stability, future usability and 3D, then you want a Radeon upto the 9250.

      If you don't care about 3D, you can buy pretty much anything you like, including on-board.

  • They missed FPS (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Mishra100 ( 841814 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @07:58PM (#13364341)
    I hear video cards being rated in FPS(frames per second) in certain video games all the time. If person A can get 100 more FPS out of Doom 3 using an ATI at the same cost as a Nvidia, usually they are going to go for that.

    So my question is why didn't they include this in there? They have a lot of good data but I just wish that someone would run all the video tests on each card and check out the FPS data on certain popular games and produce them in a nice chart similar to this one.
  • by Wino ( 655084 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @08:02PM (#13364352) Homepage
    That list looks like my damn credit card bill for the last 10 years! What would be really cool is if the guide had check boxes and when you hit submit it tells you how much money you wasted on all those shiney new gfx cards over the years.

    Wait... on second thought that wouldnt be cool at all.

  • by TuxPaper ( 531914 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @08:05PM (#13364360)
    the web picks up the slack. Back in the day when I bought computer magazines (at least 2 years ago), I've always wanted comprehensive charts of the latest graphic cards listed in magazines. Occassionally, if they were doing a graphics card special issue, there'd be maybe 7 cards compared.

    However, this comparison guide is hardly a "easy reference". It's on the web, so give it some features. I want to sort, filter out columns, have side-by-sides comparisons, comments/ratings by users (or staff), etc.

    I live in Japan now, where I can pick up a monthly computer magazine, and they have a section dedicated to charts on the latest CPU, Video, HDD, Motherboards, and Chipsets. The video chart, for comparison, has 14 different specs, all listed on one row, making it far easier to compare than this site.

    The only advantage to the charts at the site in this story is that it will/does include old cards. But, as with other commenters in this thread, I say this story certainly feels like a cheap ad.
  • by shotgunefx ( 239460 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @08:18PM (#13364409) Journal
    I'm using a docking station with an old Dell CPTv Celeron laptop as the base for my car computer that runs Debian Woody. The interface I'm working on runs on PerlSDL

    Anyone one to suggest a good PCI linux friendly card for the dock? Tried doing some research but PCI video cards aren't exactly popular anymore. Hard to find any hits that aren't after 02.

    So far peformance is ok, but moving up from a 8mb ATI rage mobility seems like a a cheap way to get more performance. Especially for some of the bells and whistles I'd like to implement. (Maybe writing it in something besides Perl might give me some more leeway, but that's not negotiable).

    Any suggestions?
  • My solution (Score:3, Interesting)

    by YuriGherkin ( 870386 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @08:36PM (#13364470)
    I recently came up with a good way to compare video card with a bang-for-buck type analysis.

    * I went to the latest review of VGA cards at Tom's Hardware [tomshardware.com].

    * I chose the top 12 video cards from ATI and nVIDIA

    * I created a spreadsheet which calculated the relative rankings of each card across about 30 different tests for a range of games/benchmarks. i.e. the top scoring card in a category got 100% and the remaining 11 cards were expressed as a fraction of the top score.

    * I averaged the rankings for the 30 categories

    * I used a local hardware search tool to find the current "buy it today" best prices for each of those cards.

    * I divided the average ranking by the price to get a bang/buck ratio that can help to compare the cards. i.e. so a card that averaged 90% but costs AUD$600 would have a lower final score than a card that came in at 50% but only cost AUD$200

    Unfortunately, the spreadsheet is at work but the 6600GT was a clear winner in terms of bang-for-buck.

    All these 12 cards were good, and most of them were the only ones remaining in the extreme tests like high-res DOOMIII with AA sort-of-tests. So, even if a card only came in at 50% average, it was still able to work with all the latest games at reasonable frame rates.

  • YAG3DGCC! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jah-Wren Ryel ( 80510 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @08:40PM (#13364480)
    Oh Boy! Yet Another Generic 3D Graphics Card Comparison! Like we've never seen one of those before!

    How about something that covers new ground? How about evaluating the features beyond simple stats and 3D performance in various games I'll never play?

    I want to see a comparison that looks at these characterstics without regard to 3D FPS...

    1) Noise level, idle and under load
    2) Heat level and/or power consumption, idle and under load
    3) DVI signal quality when pushed to maximum resolution & refresh rate - i.e. how long a cable I can hang off of it at what resolution
    4) Video acceleration - mpeg2, mpeg2 for hi-def, WM9, WM9 for hi-def, h.264 and h.264 for at hi-def resolutions
    5) Video de-interlacing support and quality - 3:2 telecine at what resolutions, how about 2:2 telecine, etc
    6) Video scaling quality -- how many taps for vertical, how many taps horizontal, any fancy algorithms, test-pattern measured quality levels

    Anybody and his brother can put up a speclist of 3D features or run a set of semi-standard 3D benchmarks and they already have. How about somebody with some real tools - oscope, multi-meter, pattern tests, etc do something new and useful to the REST of us for a change?
    • Re:YAG3DGCC! (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Jeff DeMaagd ( 2015 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @09:08PM (#13364569) Homepage Journal
      I agree. Most of the 3D benchmarks push the idea that the only buying considerations for buying are FPS and dollars. It would be nice if they considered the other stuff like you mentioned.

      I personally would like to see a database like what storagereview.com does, and be able to cull out rediculous crap like graphics cards that take two slots. I'd also like to know what sound pitches the on-board fans use and how loud they are.

      It seems like the people that buy the high end stuff buy without regard to practicality. It was bad enough that high end cards used two slot spaces but didn't need it for circuitry. Then there are rediculous modders that eliminated almost all useful PCI slots so they can use a CPU cooler on a GPU.
    • by pangu ( 322010 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @09:51PM (#13364679) Homepage
      How about something.... new and useful to the REST of us for a change

      Those things take effort and time. Turning on FPS counters do not.
    • by yeremein ( 678037 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @10:35PM (#13364820)
      Couldn't agree more. I've been through four upper-middle-range cards through the past several years (Voodoo3, GeForce3 Ti200, GeForce4 Ti4200, and now an FX5900XT). I get all caught up in memory bandwidth and pixel shaders and I end up with a card that works great during the three or four times a month I play games, but drives me insane with its fan noise the rest of the time.

      'No fan' is #1 on my list for my next card.
  • by Mustang Matt ( 133426 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @09:09PM (#13364572)
    It seems like Matrox kind of got swept under the table over the years. They always made great cards. Not necessarily the best for gaming but they had some cool features before any one else.

    Seems like they haven't really introduced anything new in quite some time.
  • by digitalderbs ( 718388 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @09:11PM (#13364576)
    I'm in the process shopping for a fanless card. I found this review [digital-daily.com] useful (Nvidia and ATI). Sorry, no linux. The review comes with detailed benchmarks.

    includes...
    • PCI-E and AGP
    • Nvidia Geforce 6200, 6600 and 6800 models
    • ATI X300, X700, X800
    • Benchmarks : 3DMark05, 3DMark03, Half-Life 2, Doom 3, Far Cry,
  • Rojakpot? (Score:4, Informative)

    by mblase ( 200735 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @09:18PM (#13364599)
    Didn't we already slashdot this server once today [slashdot.org]?
  • by nurb432 ( 527695 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @09:40PM (#13364648) Homepage Journal
    What if all you want is just to display some stuff on the screen, and dont care about having the highest FPS on the planet..

    I remember when 25 dollar cards were plentiful and DID THE JOB...

    Not everyone that owns a PC is a gamer.
  • by ptcheezer ( 677747 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @09:49PM (#13364672)
    I've always referred to this excellent pcvsconsole table of PC video card specs [pcvsconsole.com] for a very concise overview of the specs and performance of the various video cards. It really is worth a look if you want to see how much more horsepower is in the newer cards as compared to the older ones.
  • by js3 ( 319268 ) on Saturday August 20, 2005 @10:28PM (#13364798)
    if you can't handle the slashdot!
  • by RKBA ( 622932 ) * on Saturday August 20, 2005 @10:38PM (#13364832)
    The chart would be a lot more useful if it had a column listing compatibility with the various flavors of Linux/BSD/etc.
  • by ChrisCampbell47 ( 181542 ) on Sunday August 21, 2005 @12:25AM (#13365153)
    Don't miss the little dropdown at the very bottom of the linked page.
  • by twicesliced ( 909083 ) on Sunday August 21, 2005 @12:58AM (#13365247)
    I mean, sure, it wasn't the fastest thing on the block, but it had triple-monitor support and some other really nifty technologies in there (par for the course from Matrox). I know, not exactly a gaming card, but if you're going to include the G550, you can't leave the Parhelia out. Then there's the Px50 series too...

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