




Apple Patents Tablet Mac (with Photos) 565
jkheit writes "I wrote a quick news item over at the Mac Observer that might be of interest. Apple patents a tablet Mac. The new photos confirm that this device is a touch-screen Apple tablet. You can see it here."
Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:3, Interesting)
Would a Mac tablet ever see the light of day? This is not intended as a
troll/flame, but how big is the market for a niche product from a niche
computer manufacturer?
A mirror of the photos^H^H^H^H^H^Hillustrations is here [networkmirror.com].
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:2)
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:5, Interesting)
The tablet market has faltered for a while too, let's see what comes of it.
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:3, Insightful)
An MP3 player is just a modern Walkman. The "Walkman market" hasn't been "niche" for about twenty years.
"Niche" != "immature".
The tablet PC market is niche. It's niche because its practical applications - advantageously over existing alternatives - are very small.
MP3 players have never been a niche market. They've been am *immature and growing* market, but the idea of a "pocket music player" hasn't been a niche ma
billions? (Score:3, Insightful)
Billions?
When the iPod went mainstream it ate everyone's lunch, but at first it was a niche product from a niche computer manufacturer. Now white headphones are becoming as ubiquitous as cell phones.
I'll reserve judgement until I see an iTablet, but the general idea isn't making me all gooey inside either. Who's to say whether it'll make the light of day.
I'd be very surprised if Apple launched an iTablet.
Re:billions? (Score:4, Informative)
In Steve Jobs' dreams perhaps. There were almost 700 million cell phones sold last year and an estimated 800-900 million this year.
How many ipods?
Re:billions? (Score:4, Insightful)
The grandparent post is more correct than you give it credit for. A cellphone is used for how many minutes per hour on average... maybe 5 ? An average iPod owner probably exceeds 30 mins per hour average usage. So, if you multiply the number of iPods sold by the visibility factor the iPod is becoming ubiquitous.
Re:billions? (Score:3, Funny)
The parent was referring to visibility, if you're looking at men's thong underwear 14 hours a day I think you need professional help.
Re:700 million ? (Score:4, Informative)
here [com.com]
Re:billions? (Score:3, Interesting)
How about the amount of hassle required to get your music on one of those other players? MusicMatch Jukebox? WMP? RealPlayer? WinAMP? I don't think so, they all have cruddy interfaces that have not been thought out very well. Dragging music from one folder into another in Explorer has got to be the worst way to have to think about your music. You mean you can't make a playl
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:2, Insightful)
You mean like the iPod? Pretty big, I'd say, depending on the application.
Steve Jobs has made comments about the iPod not lending itself to being a decent video player due to its tiny display. A tablet, on the other hand....
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:5, Funny)
a Mac tablet (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:a Mac tablet (Score:3, Informative)
a tablet necessitates a "1-button" interface because generally it's similar to a "pointy finger" of the user. The main drawback to windows tablet right now is that key programs like office 2003 are still a terible usage klu
Heh (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, btw, I think I heard in some recent news that Apple is going out of business
.
-shpoffo
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:3, Interesting)
Damn MS and OneNote. I live by OneNote on my laptop (not even a tablet) PC, and am desperately trying to find a way to run it in Linux short of a full-blown VMWare environment...
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:5, Interesting)
Apple Computer is a huge computer manufacturer. In fact, they are the 5th biggest in terms of recent US sales figures, and sales are increasing more rapidly than any other manufacturer. [Source: IDC, 4Q2004 report]
So even though Apple only holds 3.8% of the market:
1. Dell @ 17% of market
2. HP, @ 16% of market
3. IBM, @ 5% of market
4. Gateway, @ 4% of market
5. Apple @ 3.8% of market
And there you have it. They may be small compared to Microsoft's 95% OS penetration, but they are large in terms of being a product manufacturer, neatly falling in the "2nd tier by volume" along with IBM and Gateway.
Good question (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:what i heard (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:2)
Also, the market for consumer electronics (ipod) is very different than the market for computers.
Re:Photos???? Comment + mirror (Score:2)
the ipod? got the formula right.
Tablet (Score:2)
Re:Tablet (Score:2)
Re:Tablet (Score:3, Funny)
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Re:Tablet (Score:4, Funny)
It's the top of a labrador. Apple is going to release the top of a labrador retriever.
Don't get the first version; it's full of bugs.
Wait! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Wait! (Score:4, Funny)
Hush, child! (Score:3, Funny)
Quiet, you'll hurt it's feelings!
Re:Wait! (Score:3, Funny)
Interestingly ... featureless design (Score:2, Interesting)
Its nice... (Score:5, Interesting)
Its so pure, I think I'm going to cry...
Seriously though, I am hoping to see something like this in the near future. Hopefully it will be 'announced' in the next Macworld Boston. Inkwell is such a nice pice of software, it would be great to see it being used in a tablet.
Don't be fooled! (Score:3, Funny)
Correction. Illustrations not photos. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Correction. Illustrations not photos. (Score:4, Informative)
Don't Get Too Excited (Score:5, Interesting)
Though the pictures don't indicate this, I wonder if they could also be filling in a few final functional gaps to turn the iPod into a full-blown PDA? Tantalizing as that might be, it's probably unlikely as well, seeing as how they're making bigger margins on the iPod Photo than PDA manufacturers are making on their product...
Crow T. Trollbot
I hope this line isn't true: (Score:2, Informative)
I hope this is a case where thry come thru with it. It looks COOL!
They are, check Tiger, it has built in functions (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:They are, check Tiger, it has built in function (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:They are, check Tiger, it has built in function (Score:5, Informative)
Important: Tablet events are available in Mac OS X v10.4 and later versions of the operating system.
On a similar note, Quartz Composer showed up in Mac OS X 10.4 as well. Note the pictures in the ADC document as well. They depict a tablet connected to an iMac or Apple display. It seems to me that none of this is talking about a tablet PC. If it is, they sure went through a great deal to hide it.Haha... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Haha... (Score:3, Insightful)
umm... cuz it runs OSX?
it will work this time (Score:5, Interesting)
What killed the Newton was syncronization. All the stuff I wrote on the newton was difficult to transfer to the Mac. All my contacts on the Mac was difficult to reliably syncronize to the newton. Don't tell me how to do it. I have used a newton from the day it came out until they day they kiled it. I have all the tools, cards, utilities, whatever. I still ahve 2000 sitting in it's leather case in my house.
So, as soon as palm V came out, small, sync, everything, I was all over it. It was could not be a writing machine, but I could live with that. My Newton became more trouble than it was worth.
But Apple now has sync, at least for what can fit on the .Mac drive. It does not sync macs, and I have found nothing that will do so quickly over 802.11b, but you can do calendars, contacts, mail, and good number of documents, which is has made my life so much easier.
So, this tablet PC, which will have bluetooth and airport, can do what the newton never could. Be an effective remote terminal. You can carry it around for an hour or a day, and, within a few minutes, all relevent changes can be transfered. You can take it to the coffee house, sync to .Mac, and by the time you get back home, your big machine can be updated.
Am I sorely afraid I will buy this thing. Yes. I don't really know what I would use it for, which is the rub. If it is like an iTablet, consumer priced, it would be fun to have. If it was PowerTablet, the investment would be difficult.
Re:it will work this time (Score:2)
You can't say that of Palm, etc.
Re:it will work this time (Score:3, Insightful)
Nope. what really killed Newton was 3 simple words:
Eat... up... martha.
Re:it will work this time (Score:4, Insightful)
* Too big to fit in my pocket so I could carry it with me everywhere
* Too small to be able to see very much data at once
On the plus side, the interface was amazing. It was actually designed to be used with a pen, not just a modified desktop UI.
So now I use a Palm, because it lets me have my calendar and contact info with me all the time (as well as other stuff, of course, but the main thing I use it for is calendar and contacts). And its interface is ok.
But I still miss my Newton. I'd love to have a Newtonesque tablet. Even one with a display the size of a steno pad would be excellent.
Re:pc possible today (Score:2)
Yea! Good on you!
Now, what was your point?
Single mousebutton! (Score:3, Insightful)
A touchpad!
Oooohh.. Jobs was ahead of the curve all along...
Re:Single mousebutton! (Score:4, Insightful)
While most tablet styluses come with a right-button in the lower half of the pen, they're often easy to accidentally press and many users like myself instead disable it and set the tablet settings to treat a TAP-AND-HOLD as a right-click.
When you're not holding a mouse, "right-clicking" a tablet is a slower means of interacting. Software designed with one button in mind works much more efficiently and naturally.
This is quite important, as until Tablet PC "takes off" (it hasn't by any means), most software that runs on is mainstream, non-tablet-aware software. An OS which encourages one-mouse development could have a distinct advantage.
Patent RSS Feeds (Score:5, Informative)
Prior art? (Score:5, Funny)
Apple magic (Score:2)
Using Tiger (Score:5, Interesting)
Go the the System Preferences and then hold down the option key while you click the Displays button. You will see a pulldown thats labeled "Rotate". Select it and you will see your screen rotate.
Re:Using Tiger (Score:4, Insightful)
If Apple did this, I would expect the screen to automatically rotate what is "up" based on how you hold the tablet. The little gyro in the latest PowerBooks should be enough to allow them to do that.
Re:Using Tiger (Score:2, Informative)
You can flip some widescreen monitors around and have a super long visible page.
It sure is better on your eyes.
Re:Using Tiger (Score:5, Informative)
I tried it. Other people are freaking out because they can't figure out how to revert the screen... You just restart the system preference panel and do it again. I did it and got it back fine.
But like I said, the subpixel rendering problem is there.
Re:Using Tiger (Score:4, Interesting)
Hmmm... that's rather surprising and non-Apple-like. FWIW, freetype can handle vertical subpixel AA as
well as several different subpixel orders. Rather unusual for Apple to bork something like that up.
Re:Using Tiger (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Using Tiger (Score:3, Informative)
Re:BE CAREFUL (Score:3, Funny)
Never mind, scratch that. Can I buy your new iMac after you mess up some of the settings on that one too? It can fund your new G5 ;)
Don't jump to any conclusions (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Don't jump to any conclusions (Score:2, Interesting)
I feel like we're playing that "I love bees" game, and ASOTV is the AI handing out clues.
Re:Don't jump to any conclusions (Score:5, Informative)
That patent you refer to was clearly for the iPod clickwheel, but by phrasing all the language and diagrams as a "mouse" with a "rotary dial" you guys totally hid the real nature of the patent until it was released. Mind you, after the iPod mini's release it was pretty obvious that the patent applied to that item.
So what you're saying is the patent is for something unrelated to a tablet... something that , once it comes out, will obviously fit that patent.
You know what I think it is (based on your hints and other things I've read.) A remote for the Airport Express Video (the one with an integrated hardware h.263 encoder and digital video outputs for a TV) that gives you a mini iTunes-y type interface to select tv shows/episodes you bought.
Yea... that sounds like it! It'd be very cool! (and surprising for a company run by a man who I've read hates the TV.)
Re:Don't jump to any conclusions (Score:2)
Re:Don't jump to any conclusions (Score:4, Funny)
Do you have any friends who might be interested in buying PowerBooks? Bring them to the store with you. You should all buy as many PowerBooks as possible.
And while you're at it, don't forget to pick up an iPod. And one for the car!
Not a sure thing (Score:3, Insightful)
That said, just because Apple has a patent doesn't mean they're going to ever build the thing. Personally, though, I hope this turns out to be the announcement at WWDC. I'd love to have a tablet Mac, just for reading places like here on the couch. My laptop is nice, but not too comfortable... though the keyboard is more useful for chat or long replies.
It's certainly a niche design, so I could see Apple patenting a decent design that their engineers came up with even if they never build the product. That way, they can always change their mind later if the market really wants an Apple tablet.
Um, no. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Um, no. (Score:2)
Re:Um, no. (Score:2)
That said, what if you are a graphic designer? Like I bet the guys over at Penny Arcade (who do their comics with a Wacom tablet) would love something like this. Photoshoppers and others would too. It would also work just fine for video editing and some other applications. I can see some real benifits.
That said, having an integrated keyboard (like some of the PC laptop/tablet hybrids have) would pretty much be a p
Re:Um, no. (Score:5, Interesting)
When we solve the problem of incorporating images online, [taoriver.net] and when we have cheap tablets, you're going to see Wikipedia (and the rest of the web) light up with diagrammed explanations of things.
Visual Language [emacswiki.org] is going to be big and near-ubiquitous. It'll be a lot easier to learn about stuff.
But, the pressure will be on you to make visual explanations. People will have much higher visual literacy. The knowledge in "Understanding Comics" will be near-ubiquitous- common sense. Text-only [taoriver.net] will be fogey-style.
So, after a while, the pressure will be on to use a Tablet, or whatever the future equivalent is. Perhaps you'll just write with a stylus on a table, [taoriver.net] and the camera next to you infer where you're drawing, and use a laser to print it down for you, or something. Who knows.
i got apple tablet photos (Score:2, Funny)
granted, it's not a high-res display, and the redraw rate really sucks, but it does come in a nice pink.
Here is what I think (Score:3, Interesting)
First and formost, cool. I would have given it consideration, without a doubt. If Apple turned the 12" PB or iBook into a table, that would rock. Now the "doodles" (I find it hard to call them photos, and as drawings they look like basically every other tablet) don't seem to show a keyboard. I've seen pics of PC tablets that the screen can be "reversed" making it a tablet, or used like a normal laptop and I think that's a great idea.
Now what would be REALLY cool would be to make the iBook: Touch (like the name? Come on Apple, use it!) have a touch screen (simple on/off with high resolution), but make the PowerBook: Touch even better. Whether they develop it themselves or partner with Wacom or something like that, that would rule. It would have pressure sensitivity (256 levels?) and angle sensing like the Wacom tablets. Think how great that would be for graphic artists.
Now that might not be cheap. Mass production may help, but Wacom sells the Cintiq montitor/tablet that is 17" and 1280x1024 with 512 levels of pressure for $1799 MSRP. Maybe they'd have to make it an option. So even at 1024x768 if they cut down the resoltuion of touch (64, maybe 32 levels? And the size would be smaller, only 12") they could make it cheaper.
It would be awesome. If anyone could make a tablet that would be great and really cause tablets to take off (instead of being the failure I've heard them called), it would be Apple.
Re:Here is what I think (Score:5, Funny)
They already have. They call it a 17" PowerBook.
Re:Here is what I think (Score:3, Interesting)
Often however, even though the wacom digitizer in a tablet PC supports various bel
You mean... (Score:4, Funny)
...no one apart from Apple will be allowed to make a tablet Macintosh?
TIHS ILLEGAL MONOPOLY MUST STOP!!!
iMac (Score:2)
Now I expect all you Mac users (Score:2)
Me hopefully someday I will have a Mac with all the benefits of my Toshiba tablet but without this horrible XP virus cluttering it up!
It's a remote, damn it. (Score:3, Interesting)
This is a remote. Or Apple's version of one. Look, apple's already said that they veiw thier media in a modular way. That's because they are a weird amalgamation of a software and hardware. This model really affects thier design in a fundamental way. They view both as feeding the other. Unlike Microsoft. Or Sony. Both of those companies don't have the (ability) (balls) (forsight) to realize that you really do benefit from doing both. That's because the new tech market is turning towards usability as it's prime selling point. Witness the iPod. But you know this.
Now, think about the home media center. What is the primary user interface element? The remote. For all intents and purposes, the equipment has acheived a level of abstraction in our heads. What do the butttons on a TV do? Who cares? The remote can do it. My AV receiver doesn't even have all the bottons on the face. Only on the remote. And this abstraction yeilds some interesting results.
One, that you handle your remote more times in the average day than a book or your keyes. We don't even realize how much time we spend with these damn things. They are integral. And they almost uniformly suck. How many remotes do you use? How much fumbling? Your universal remote does most things. But what about when you need to schedule and rank your DVR? The remote falls apart. The fuction is mapped to some button that is not intuitive. It's a giant mess. Sort like the MP3 market ummm.... four years ago.
While the remote is bad at it's primary function, it falls apart completely when it comes to digital media. Enter microsoft with their assinine "Media Center PC" Why God, why? Why do you need a whole new computer in your living room? You already have a computer somewhere in your house. But Microsoft is a software company. They need to sell the software. They're trying to break out of this with the Xbox. And they will haves success. But it's a lackluster implimentation of the central problem: the remoteis the media center, see. How are people going to interact with the Xbox? With the controller and a TV monitor. This is crummy, in my mind, because if thier view of media is to add another box to the den that just happens to deal with my digital media as a second fuction, I call bullshit. Let each componant do what it is primarily good at. The Xbox controller , even if it includes that rollerball thing, still is a poor way to interact with media. It'll be good for gamers, sure. But that will color the rest of it functionality. It already has, really. See, there's no big, legible display to speak of on the damn thing. So you abstract the abstract. The Xbox took over your media and the controller takes over your Xbox, which makes you look at the tv screen as the navigation aid. I'm not sure if I can exactly explain why.... but this feels icky to me.
So, this is where Apple steps in. The Airport express is an important clue. The idea is make a centeral computer and stream over the air the media to a router near the media center. But make the router "magic" Using, I don't know, Rendevou...err... Bonjour. Which just got released for the PC, yes? Pieces are starting to fall into place. So, what's misssing is a remote that doesn't suck for your media that can interact wirelessly with your media. Something like a big lcd touchscreen. And only like an LCD screen. Nothing else. It's the display and the input. Simple. Elegant. Getting cheap. This is a thin client, really. But it won't be marketed as such. No, it'll be the iPod for the rest of your life. It'll be your remote. It'll be your newspaper. It'll be your media manipulator (edit movies, work on garage band tracks, retouch photos). It will be your morning newspaper. It will be the thing you pick up when you put your iPod down. Think about it. All the technology is there. But it's maddening to use, especially for average consumers. They are maing a remote. They just have to be.
The touchscreen is different from tablets (Score:4, Insightful)
This is interesting. A year ago, I was predicting that Apple would get on the tablet bandwagon (and possibly pull off another ipod), because tablets are so suited to art, which is ostensibly one of apples big markets. (I have a normal wacom digitizer on my desktop, but I find I prefer to use the screen digitiser of may tablet for photoshop, etc, - even though the CRT of the desktop beats any LCD on a portable).
Yet their design is for a finger touch screen. This would make for perhaps a better interface than pen for something simple like an ebook or portable video player (a video ipod allowing you rent DRMed movies from apple
I have a convertable tablet (it operates in slate and laptop mode), and my experience is that it is a vast improvement over laptops when in laptop mode, but slate mode, while kind of cool, it typically limited to low-input tasks like watching DVDs, because I type at twice the speed I write.
So I doubt this tablet is going to be marketed as a mac. It may contain a mac, but it's going to take aim at more specialised tasks.
Unless they stick one of those laser keyboards on it that convert any flat surface into a keyboard. It's about time someone built one of those into a slate computer.
And now that epaper is becoming possible, ebook readers that failed to suck might be another ipod waiting to happen.
Re:The touchscreen is different from tablets (Score:5, Funny)
I assume you're not a programmer, huh?
"Uh... if, open parentheses, current address... I mean, all run together with a lower-case c and upper-case a... equals equals null, all uppercase... close parentheses..."
Please sign the petition! (Score:3, Interesting)
It's doubtful that Apple currently has any real intention to follow through with this.
So Please! Encourage them a bit http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/tablet_mac/ [ipetitions.com].
Tablet Mac (Score:3, Funny)
Apple, always the innovator... err... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Patent? (Score:5, Informative)
-truth
Re:Patent? (Score:2, Insightful)
-truth
Re:Patent? (Score:5, Insightful)
Ya, but this is exactly what people said when Apple made the iPod.
Apple likes to swoop on good ideas that have been poorly implemented in the past. MP3 players, jukebox software, online music stores, video chat, etc etc. None of this stuff was new, but Apple found a way to make it more accessible and desirable.
Re:Patent? (Score:3, Informative)
this is rather like apple's patent on the itunes interface. problematic by itself, and depressing if it becomes a precedent for future patent maneuvering.
Re:Patent? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Patent? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Patent? (Score:4, Insightful)
A design patent is not quite the same as what one normally thinks of when talking about patents. Basically all this move indicates is that nobody can release a tablet that looks like what Apple would design. It's meant to prevent rip-offs, not stifle innovation. Of course, I fully expect someone to claim that rip-offs are innovative.
Re:Patent? (Score:5, Informative)
No, actually, it isn't. A trademark is entirely different. For example, a trademark prevents someone from putting your logo on their product, whether it looks like your product or not. A design patent prevents someone from copying the design of your product, no matter what logo they put on it.
It is a dangerous precedent for design elements to be patentable.
Except it isn't a precedent at all -- design patents aren't a recent thing. They were incorporated into patent law in 1842. It seems like they are among the least dangerous parts of current patent law.
Re:Patent? (Score:5, Funny)
Design patents 101 (Score:3, Informative)
Regular "new idea" patent: You have to prove that this is a new way of doing something.
Design patent: registers a shape/style/whatever. I expect the Apple patent is one of these.
FTFUSPTO: Definition of a Design A design consists of the visual ornamental characteristics embodied in, or applied to, an article of manufacture. Since a design is manifested in appearance, the subject matter of a design patent application may relate to the configuration or shape of an a
Re:Patent? (Score:5, Funny)
You missed the most obvious one! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Not even close... (Score:3, Insightful)
How about the "iPad"...?
Re:Mac (Score:2)
Re:Aren't tablets expensive enough? (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, while Apple only has like 4% of the PC market, they have a MUCH bigger chunk of the laptop market.
But let's face it. If Apple wants to release a niche product at a premium, the are free too. If it stays niche, then no problem. If the market explodes, it would get cheaper (economies of scale and all that).
Re:Okay, somebody's got to say it . . . (Score:3, Insightful)