Hard Drive Cooling for 10 Cents 420
David Tiberio writes "I've bought many hard drive cooling solutions over the years, sometimes spending $50 or more on drive cooling systems that were noisy and did little to cool down the drive. After much tinkering, I discovered a simple solution that cost me only 10 cents per drive... the 1/2 inch bracket. Mounts any 80mm fan to the belly of an internal hard drive."
10c? (Score:5, Funny)
(first post?)
Re:10c? (Score:3, Funny)
So essentially. the hard drive fan is free. It is the case fan that costs you some dough...
Re:10c? (Score:5, Funny)
I take this $5 towstrap and attach it to the back of this Viper... suddenly my 0-60 times are are cut in half and my mileage is through the roof!
Thanks, Slashdot.
Re:10c? (Score:5, Interesting)
Approximate quote from TFA: "you can buy fans here ( http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-1651435-54502),
This is just another case of Roland Piquepaille... Check out the top level of his domain too, it's just an ad site...
1. Create site about obvious hack with refferer commision links.
2. Post your site on high volume site like
3. Profit.
4. Piss me off for wasting my time. I even wasted my time typing this up, I'm sure some "people have a right to profit" dude will mod me down.
Re:10c? (Score:4, Funny)
Yes, I can feel your frustration. That 10c your time was worth would have been much better spent buying a bracket for your fan.
Thanks (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Thanks (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Thanks (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, it's a clever hack in the true sense of the word, so yes, it's even somewhat approriate given the audience.
Oh, and I've seen a lot worse from the
Re:Thanks (Score:2)
Request for fan filter material info (Score:5, Interesting)
This brings up a related subject, namely, putting a filter in front of the fan to filter out dust. Antec rackmount cases have a great solution, namely a removeable tray in front of the fan. The tray comes with a spongy filter type of material which is anti-static.
I've tried finding a raw source for this material, with no luck. Does anyone know where one might find this?
Basically I'd like to get a large sheet of this, and cut it up appropriately for all of the various fans that I have. I'd really like to reduce the dust in my systems.
If anyone knows of a source for the raw anti-static material in large quantities, I'd appreciate knowing it. Thanks in advance.
Re:Request for fan filter material info (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Request for fan filter material info (Score:3, Interesting)
take one of those "CD wipes" - disposeable anti-static cloths soaked in alcohol used to clean LCD displays and CDs. Let it dry out - and tape it over the grill in front of the fan with duct tape. Change it every 3 months.
The wipes cost less than 10 cents each. Maybe I should submit an article to Slashdot!
Re:Request for fan filter material info (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.js p ?xi=xi&ItemId=1611632110&ccitem= [grainger.com]
That roll should last you the rest of your life
Re:I call this BS (Score:5, Interesting)
Unmount your hard drive (but leave the cables attached) and power up the system. Touch your hard drave - can you even tell that its spinning? No vibrations.
Now, mount a cheapie fan to it, and touch it - a LOT more vibrations. And it will only get worse as the fan wears.
Anyone who mounts fans to their hard drives to cool them deserves what they get - you'll be losing data within a few months, and probably end up with a completely fucked drive.
Re:Thanks (Score:3, Funny)
KFG
Re:Thanks (Score:2)
And for good measure, again on a week from Tuesday . .
hawk
Re:Thanks (Score:2)
only 10c for a bracket. Oh and a fan. (Score:5, Funny)
MS: "We can help you serve customers for only 10c a day!"
Manager: "woohoo. Approved!"
MS: "So your bill is $36.50 for the first year, plus $899 site license, plus $299 Windows licenses for each CPU plus $1599 service contract plus...."
Re:only 10c for a bracket. Oh and a fan. (Score:5, Interesting)
But back to the parent post...
It *is* kinda funny, the 10-cent claim. I read a lot of those backwoods and country living kinds of managzines. They're usually full of great projects that the average person can usually pull off to some degree.
What kills me is often the low-cost claims: "Build a central, forced-air wood heating system for only $10 !" Sounds really cool, until you read the article and find that the person already had a house's worth of air duct on-hand, an arc welder, and a friend who gave him enough plate steel for the furnace in exchange for a dozen eggs and a case of beer. :)
These articles are still great, as they illustrate the make-due-with-what-you-have mentaility. However, a little truth in advertising would be appreciated. :)
Okay $.01 or $100 to add cooling, so? (Score:3, Interesting)
Or is he overclocking his disk from 7k rpm to 14krpm somehow? Don't get too close to that machine.
Is this guy selling a solution to a frictional problem or a fictional problem? Shheeeez.
Re:only 10c for a bracket. Oh and a fan. (Score:2)
Wow. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Wow. (Score:2, Insightful)
Most of us (excusing those few who statistically show up all the time and can't manage to tie shoelaces).
What most of us mightn't have realised is that a cheap & nasty solution works so much better for its intended job than some of the pricey (but flashy!) fixes.
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
It wants the integrity of its magnetic field back.
Re:In other news... (Score:2, Funny)
Also, newer fans don't emit any magnetic field at all, as they don't use electric motors
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
Re:In other news... (Score:2, Interesting)
That said, if you're being paranoid then railway thermite (melts, doesn't explode) is cheap and very effective. Open the case, pour thermite powder
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
I give up... Hampters?
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
1st, youi are right, you need more than a little motor to damage the data on a hd. A LOT more.
But... The rest of you posting is more than a bit stupid:
How strong to you think a magnetic field would be to damage humans? A NMR uses 2-4 tesla without problems, and the only reason you dont tune than higher is that we cannot without wasting tons of energy/contruction cost. We currently cannot produce stable magnetic field that would damage human tissue (in our university, we have one of the strongest NMR in
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
Also: please show me the fan that uses a non electic motor. I REALLY wanna see it.
Go to the airptort and look at the things hanging off the wings. They are all fans powered by non-electric motors.
Of course they might be a bit noisy for your computer case.
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
Re:In other news... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:In other news... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Informative)
I have a few Compaq Xeon workstations that placed the drives transversely in front of the system power supply so cooling air can pass between the drives. I have yet to see a problem. It's designed to cool 15k RPM drives very quietly. The PSU fan itself is a slower 12cm fan, placed on the intake of the PSU, only a few cm away from the drive's edges. It's very quiet for a PC, and very impressively quiet for a system with a 15k RPM drive in it.
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
Doesn't 2000rpm fan produce 2kHz electromagnetic wave regardless of the current?
Re:In other news... (Score:2, Insightful)
There could also be much higher frequency EM emmisions depending on it's make-up (eg. PWM switcher for speed control).
But I'm sure neither of these are as intense as the 10,000 RMP high curent motor that spins the platters.
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)
I've managed, unfortunately, to fry a pda that way. Pda was in my pants pocket. I was drilling holes in my wall. The EM field from the drill fried the motherboard. And they weren't that close together...
Bullshit. I am an embedded systems designer and there's no way in hell your drill induced enough of an EM field to generate significant current in the traces of your PDA's mainboard. The stuff I design is strapped on to heatsink with thousands of Amps running through it without any kind of EMC protection and it runs flawlessly. Static discharge is more likely than not the cause of that particular failure.
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
Induced currents (Score:2, Interesting)
Good for one drive but ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Good for one drive but ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Answer: you can't use this hack in your case.
Yeah! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yeah! (Score:2)
Heck, if they used reversible fans, the Shuttle could be a VTOL!
Such an innovation! (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh wait... every geek in the world has done this, or something close to it. I've used all sorts of hardware store parts to mount fans inside cases as have hordes of other geeks over the decades.
Re:Such an innovation! (Score:2)
Classic case of a measurement mistaken for reality (Score:5, Insightful)
Hence, a fan under the disk makes a lot of difference while making very little to make your data safer.
A 3x 40mm fan battery in front of a drive or a pressed enclosure that cools the actual package holding the platters makes a lot of difference there while not chaning the S.M.A.R.T. reading by more then a degree or so.
It is up to you - what do you want. Show (a good reading) or substance (good temperature of your drive platters and heads).
Re:Classic case of a measurement mistaken for real (Score:5, Insightful)
The heat is in the disc, the drive motor, and related surfaces. Some of them can get quite hot. I still have some (working!) giant SCSI bricks that get hot enough to burn flesh.
Full height 5.25 drives that would burn fingers and break your foot too, if you dropped it. I think it weighs close to 10 pounds. It'd probably still work after the fall but it only holds 1 gig or something. Not worth a bother.
Anyway, I cool my drives with a 120v turbine fan that blows sideways across the whole drive. The air cools the disc side and the PCB side. Works great. Doesn't tax the system PSU.
Re:Classic case of a measurement mistaken for real (Score:2)
I bought some HDD coolers myself, and I thought that blowing air away is better, hence I don't know why I thought that.
So what are pros and cons of blowing air in one direction or another?
Re:Classic case of a measurement mistaken for real (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Classic case of a measurement mistaken for real (Score:3, Informative)
Do you have a fan handy? Any sort of window fan or table fan will do, or even one of those 80mm computer fans.
Power it up and aim the air at your face. You should feel a cooling effect, maybe even a lot of cooling if it's a strong fan. Move the fan away a little. Distance decreases the effect but it's probably still noticable, right?
Now turn the fan around. No effect at all at a distance. Move it closer. Still nothing. You're going to have to put your face right up next to the fan to feel an
Re:Classic case of a measurement mistaken for real (Score:3, Informative)
But there's more to the answer than they realize.
Let me start with a story...
At my first job about 10 years ago, I wound up helping out at the IT department of a cellular phone company (no, a real cell phone manufacturer, not a service provider). One of the first tasks I had was to replace the CPU cooling fans on a few Sun desktop workstations. At the time, these Sun systems were incredibly expensive - about $40K each if I remember correctly. That, coupled w
Re:Classic case of a measurement mistaken for real (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Classic case of a measurement mistaken for real (Score:4, Informative)
In that context, this fellow's solution doesn't seem so irrelevant. Keeping the circuit board cool is likely to lengthen the life of the drive.
Re:Classic case of a measurement mistaken for real (Score:2)
I think the sentence you're looking for is... (Score:2, Funny)
Vibration (Score:5, Informative)
It may not amount to much as the vibration needs to be of the right frequency to be really bad. But it is probably better to err on the side of caution with drive lifetimes already being as bad as they are.
I personally use a 120mm fan that is mounted on rubber pegs, perpendicular to the hard drives, but not mounted to the drives themselves. This way, less vibration is transferred to the drives.
Re:Vibration (Score:2)
Are we talking water or beta-galactosidase molecules here?
Re:Vibration (Score:4, Interesting)
Simple, we'll outsource the job to India, paying them to jump up at the same time the Chinese land, and land the same time the Chinese jump.
With the nearly identical population size, and geographical proximity, this should counteract the forces, or perhaps send the earth hurtling into the sun... Either way.
HD Cooling? (Score:5, Interesting)
My question is - why? I guess I've never really heard of anyone over-cloking there hd's. Do they really overheat? How can you tell? When should you worry about it?
Re:HD Cooling? (Score:2, Funny)
Yes. Touch them. Now.
Re:HD Cooling? (Score:5, Informative)
I personally had a Western Digital 80gb harddrive overheat and cause errors in a normal midtower. (Several of my friends had the same problem with the same model)
Since then my addage is if it's 7500rpm or higher put some fans on it. Since that realization I've had no problems.
How to tell (Score:2)
HD's do run hot.. And hot reduces lifespan.
call me silly.... (Score:5, Insightful)
1. mount a 90mm fan on the front of your 3.5 inch bays.
2. mount a 120mm fan on the front of your 5.25 inch bays.
This way you actually get airflow for 2 to 3 drives rather than blocking airflow with another damn drive.
Re:call me silly.... (Score:2)
I lost 3 large IDE hard drives in 6 months... I lost a 120, a 160 and 200 to disk failures in 2 different computers. I started paying more attention to the drives and I realized that ~all~ my drives were quite warm to the touch.
I added fans (80mm or larger) to either blow in the front of the case, over the hard drives, or I put the fan behind the drives to blow air over the drives. Forward or back doesn't seem to matter, but mount the fan perpendicular. This way one fan can m
Re:call me silly.... (Score:2)
My PC has 5 Hotswap bays that are cooled with a single 120mm fan in front. As i dont use 15k scsi stuff, even 7V are more than enough to keep all drives cool without much noise or wasted space.
This solution otoh wastes a drive bay and doesnt create a directed airstream... it will just suck in its own heated air again.
Has it come to this? (Score:2)
Now Slashdot has to tell me what case designers have know for ages? Hmmm...maybe that's why my case has a fan right next to the hard drive.
Must be a slow news day...
This is news? (Score:2)
Get new fans! (Score:2)
If you're putting together a server that relies on running cool, dont skimp on your ${LOCAL_CURRENCY} by recycling cruddy fans from your old 486 boxes!
More noise ! (Score:4, Insightful)
It already sounds like a bloody helicopter and now you want me to spend 10cents making it even louder !
Wow !
Re:More noise ! (Score:2)
Unless the fan you add to cool your harddrive is louder than your CPU fan, which is unlikely if you choose the right fan, the perceptible amount of noise outside the case will not increase. Try it.
Re:More noise ! (Score:2)
Re:More noise ! (Score:2)
Then I got smart. I bought a nice light aluminum Antec Case [newegg.com], with 2 120mm fans (front and back), and a very quiet PS [newegg.com] with 1 big fan. I yanked out my SCSI RAID array and bought a 10K rpm SATA disk. I would have been happier with a bit less bling on the case, but it works.
Losing the RAID array didn't slow anything down, since it's a workstation, not a server. But I can h
Re:More noise ! (Score:2)
Trust me, if you have a normal 4000rpm cpu fan you're not going to notice a dinky little 2000rpm 80mm fan esp if you have a GPU fan.
Woah! I was so close! (Score:5, Funny)
Heatpipe coolers (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.quietpc.com/uk/harddrive.php#
The heatpipes per se only make a small difference to the temperature (perhaps 6-10 degrees?), but the rubber mounts do a fabulous job of reducing the noise.
Re:Heatpipe coolers (Score:2)
Re:Heatpipe coolers (Score:2)
Come on SLASHDOT!!! GRRRRRRRRR (Score:5, Interesting)
Top 5 things wrong with this setup... (Score:3, Insightful)
1. Running 2 drives as RAID-1 with a spare souunds less efficient than just running RAID-1 for the OS partition and RAID-5 for the data. RAID-5 is faster for writes than RAID-1, but RAID-1 offers protection for the boot OS
2. One fan per drive seems inefficient, and it will increase the power consumption of the box as a whole - not including the wasted space.
3. Mounting a large fan with one single bracket would make the fam vibrate and not be mounted in a sturdy fashion
4. The title doesn't include the cost of the fans. If he has three drives, three fans, three brackets, we're looking at about $20
5. All these extra fans brings us back to the age of the noisy PC. So passé.
My suggestion? A good Antec case with proper ventilation holes at the front and a 120mm fan at the rear. If you have three or more drives, add an 80mm fan at the front, blowing air on the drives in the same direction the air is pulled in from the 120mm. It's not the low temp of the drives that matters, it's air circulation + consistent temp.
Be Careful (Score:5, Funny)
I used 1/2-inch deep holes, and the drive wouldn't even fire up when I tried to boot. It turned out that the drive had really flimsy construction, and they had moving parts right under the surface that were immobilized by the screws. The cheap POS wouldn't even work after I took the screws back out.
If you plan to do this, I'd recommend using very short screws; probably no more than 1/8-inch.
This is so wrong. (Score:2)
A better idea... (Score:5, Funny)
All you need is the blade from an old fan, a toothpick, and a 2mm drill.
1. Drill a hole in the drive directly above the platters
2. With some superglue on the end of the toothpick, insert it in the hole so that it sticks to the spindle
3. Glue the blade to the other end of the toothpick.
Now you see, no need for a fan. As long as your drive's running, the fan blade you just installed will be spinning at 5400 (or whatever rpm) your drive is.
Much cheaper than $0.10.
on the side (Score:2)
I have a 80mm fan right now cooling 4 ide drives and it brings the temps down about 10-15 degrees C. They run about 35-37 degrees C as opposed to almost 50 degrees C without it.
pretty basic hack really. I don't see the point in making a WHOLE slashdot article about it. Maybe someone out there just went, "Hey, what a GREAT idea." but I bet that person already tried to dunk their drives in ice water.
New book about this (Score:3, Interesting)
10 cent web-design tool next (Score:2)
Grrrr!
This is stupid. (Score:2, Insightful)
This cooling fad is just another way of companies selling you expensive crap you don't technically need (such as fans with leds).
The author is probably one of those people who pay 200 bucks for gold speaker cables too.
BIG MISTAKE: Use only nylon straps as brackets. (Score:3, Informative)
Big Mistake in the article: Use only nylon straps as brackets. A metal strap conducts the fan vibration to the hard drive.
Cools the circuit board and thermistor not platter (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Great! (Score:2)
Most of the noise on most computers is because of the noisy fan that cools the processor, it has nothing to do with hard drive cooling.
Re:Great! (Score:2)
Re:Airflow? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Airflow? (Score:3, Informative)
The CPU fan takes surrounding air, blowing it down towards the CPU and forcing it through the vanes of the heat sink.
Push or pull, the main point in drive cooling is to move around the air so that hot pockets don't form around them, and the hot air is more likely to be vented by the case fans.
Re:Airflow? (Score:5, Funny)
Absolutely. That's why on hot summer days I sit behind a nice cool fan facing away from me.
Re:Airflow? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Airflow? (Score:5, Insightful)
The only real difference is where you are pushing the warmer air - with an intake fan the hot air gets pushed usually to the sides of the heat sink, and can raise the temperature of nearby components - with an exhaust fan you direct the warmer air usually up and away from the board. (and possibly onto something else you'd rather not heat up, like your hard drive) Although with an exhaust fan you are pulling air into the heat sink from nearby components, which could in itself reduce the cooling efficiency of your heat sink, while benefiting nearby components.
So choosing between exhaust and intake probably depends a lot on the physical layout of your case. A universal good selection would probably be exhaust that takes the air directly to the outside of the case.
Re:What's to cool... (Score:2)
Re:I've been doing this for years... (Score:2)
I dont get him..does anyone?? (Score:2)
But it does appear Rey will be getting Impulse, Shinn will get Destiny and Lunamaria will get her own Gundam which looks like a mark 2 Gaia. Of course right now this is all guessing because we've only seen this mysterious Gundam in the new