Comparative CPU Benchmarks From 1995 to 2004 320
Lux writes "The guys over at Tom's Hardware Guide have been busy recently! They've compared over a hundred different architectures dating all the way back to the Pentium 1 in one huge benchmarking effort. Looking to upgrade an older system? Unlike most benchmarks, which compare modern systems to other modern systems, these charts can help you figure out if the cost of upgrading is worth the speedup or if you should hold off for a bit longer."
Upgrade (Score:5, Funny)
Fixed link (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Fixed link (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Fixed link (Score:2, Funny)
African or European?
Re:Fixed link (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Upgrade (Score:2, Insightful)
Actually a 486+487 still has enough juice for a homebrewed linux firewall/router, and you can get boards with chips for a buck in the throwaway bin at my local computer shop.
486's had the coprocessor built in. (Score:3, Informative)
You could get a coprocessor for the 486SX, but not the DX. From what I've heard, the original 486SX's were actually re-badged 486DX's whose math coprocessor unit was either not functional or just disabled. When you bought the 487SX "co-processor" you were actually buying a fully functional 486DX t
Re:486's had the coprocessor built in. (Score:2, Informative)
When you bought the 487SX "co-processor" you were actually buying a fully functional 486DX that disabled the other CPU on the board.
Correct.
And for the 386, the 386SX was like a 386DX but it was crippled by a 16-bit bus instead of a 32-bit bus. Which made them the same speed as a fast 286.
Neither 386SX or 386DX had math-coprocessors. You had to add them on later.
My wife... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Anyway, how will a math coprocessor help firewall or router software? It will help you to play Quake I, but will make no diference for a program that is not intensive on floating point math.
Re:Upgrade (Score:4, Interesting)
80487 Intel 487 SX CPGA SZ494, USA
Another forum I found has this to say, which is interesting (take it with a grain of salt, I don't vouch for what "RatBoy" says)
Intel created an inferior version of the CPU in the SX, but remember they did the same thing with the 386 SX and DX. There was a nasty rumour that the 486 SX was created only because a batch of 486 chips had faulty FPUs and this was a way for Intel to sell damaged goods and still make some money on them. This rumour was helped out when Intel introduced the 487 math co-processor for the 486 SX. It turned out the 487 was really a 486 DX with one extra pin whose job it was to completely shutdown the 486 SX when you plugged the 487 into your motherboard next to the 486 SX!
Either way, there was (is) a 487.
Re:The 487 would disable the 486sx (Score:4, Informative)
Yup. Then Intel had to confuse the issue by releasing the 486DX4. Just as the DX2-50 had a 2x multiplier with a 25 mhz bus and a 50 mhz core speed, you'd think the DX4-100 would have a 4x multiplier with a 25 mhz bus and 100 mhz core speed. But it was actually a 3x multiplier, with a 33 mhz bus speed. They should have caused it a DX3
Re:The 487 would disable the 486sx (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course, then there's the other side of this issue, which was VLB: Vesa Local Bus (which is what we used for fast access to graphics cards [and sometimes IDE disk] before PCI/AGP) was only spec'd to run at 33MHz tops, and many VLB cards wouldn't run at 50 MHz. So you often had a choice: buy the 50 MHZ 486 DX to get the full 50MHz bus speed
I see how this fits (Score:2)
-Matt
Re:Upgrade (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Upgrade (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Upgrade (Score:3, Insightful)
I still use an old P5-133 w/ 80MB just to do general doc writing and such. I've got it working plenty fast with Mandrake 9.
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
I tried digging out an old 80MHz 486 and put Linux on it...it was soooooo slooooowwwww. 4200RPM (or was it 3600?) hard drive didn't help.
The thing is, at the time a 486 was current, so was FVWM. Our expectations just aren't backwards compatible.
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
On the other hand, my current Pentium 166 with 32MB of RAM is an absolute dog when I load up X and Blackbox. I think it's a combination of swap thrashing and slow video (pr
Rule of thumb (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Upgrade (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Re:Good info on upgrade CPU or GPU (Score:2)
Heat Output (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Heat Output (Score:2)
Tom's slashdotted? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Tom's slashdotted? (Score:2)
Benchmarks, shmenchmarks (Score:5, Insightful)
The best analysis of whether you should upgrade is a subjective one. Sit down at the computer. Does it do what you want or not?
Benchmarks tell me my Radeon 9800 is horribly out of date and imply its too weak to play any modern games. But I know from experience, that's bullshit.
Re:Benchmarks, shmenchmarks (Score:3, Funny)
I can honestly say I don't want to upgrade.
Re:Benchmarks, shmenchmarks (Score:2)
Re:Benchmarks, shmenchmarks (Score:2)
I didn't see the Doom3 benchmark anywhere!
Re:Benchmarks, shmenchmarks (Score:2)
That's right, I'm a slashdotter with an AMD Athlon 550mhz, 384MB ram, and 80gb hard drive (the latter 2 were obviously some small upgrades).
This does everything I need, why should I spend money on it? It plays music, is fine for my homework, IM, web browsing, and plays *cough* videos *cough* just fine. In the meantime, it's also my server running SSH, Samba, Apache, ProFTPD, etc...
I'm now at the point where I refuse to upgrade until it melts down on me. It's been t
Well (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Well (Score:2)
Re:Well (Score:2, Funny)
Then I got a P1 60 (66?), and laughed at him for hours, putting his manhood to shame.
Re:Well (Score:2)
286/13MHz + Wing Commander = Too slow (and no control stick sprite drawn)
386DX/40MHz + Wing Commander = Way too fast (but control stick was drawn)
No Apples? (Score:2, Insightful)
Upgrade (Score:3, Interesting)
How will they keep their market alive if they can't upgrade the performance? Its not like CPU chips are burning easily anyhow... so why get a replacement if the performance gain is not worth it? (Especially for web browsing / text editing only folks who upgrade based on marketing ONLY... yes! 3 Ghz more will make your internet go faster! Heh)
Re:Upgrade (Score:3, Informative)
With multi-core chips and on-die memory controllers, the benefits of performance will be felt, even if the clock speed is constrained to 4ghz for now.
Re:Upgrade (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Best example is Sims 2. If you have a T&L Video card, you can run the game with a 900mhz processor. If you don't, you need a 2.4ghz processor.
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Somewhat true, but historically most cpu improvement was due to clock speed increases, which have slowed way down.
CPUs just aren't getting faster like they used to. We've hit something of a wall. It would be interesting to seem Tom's benchmark charts plotted against release dates.
The move to multiple cores is a white flag waving. Two cpus aren't in any was as good as one that's twice as fast.
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Overclocking breaks warranties on all chips.
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Another one of those people who think that clock speed equates to performance. :sigh:
I'd take a 1 Ghz proc that executes 5 ops/clock over a 3 Ghz proc that executes 1.5 ops/clock, if I were given a choice. Price is also a major determinating factor for me.
Re:Upgrade (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
"Anti-Virus Projection" - AMD & NX Flag (Earlier today)
"Multi-Core chips"
"Dual processors"
etc, etc. The industry will continually find another reason for you to upgrade. And I'll keep doing it, because I like to be on the Bleeding Edge (TM).
Re:Upgrade (Score:3, Insightful)
You see, I have a dual cpu system, and for the longest time I thought XP must be the most stable windows OS evar!
Turns out the OS never really crashes because there's always a cpu left to bring up the ctrl-alt-del screen with, so you can kill all the OS processes on the other CPU that DID crash..
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
I went from a 486-66 to a P133 to a P2-266 (doubling clock each time), then a 1.33GHz. I don't use any "rule" based on performance gain - I just upgrade when I have the money, and I have a need. That 1.33GHz is going on 4 years old and does everything I ask of it (thankfully I spec'd it out well enough
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
If for example, processor makers started guaging their performance in MIPS (or BIPS) or something, it would make more sense I guess.
(someone will correct me if I'm wrong anyway lol)
Re:Upgrade (Score:3, Informative)
It would make about as little sense. On many CPUs (particularly the CISC CPUs), instructions take wildly different amounts of time to complete. A NOP might complete in one clock cycle, while an obscure legacy instruction might take twenty. Running only NOPs, the CPU would be 1 BIPS if driven at 1 GHz. Running the other instruction, it'd be 50 MIPS. Somewhere in the middle wou
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Actually my Dell never had a probelm. Of course i didn't spec out enoguh RAM, and can't seem to part with the $200 for RDRAM needed to run Doom 3. That and the $75 for the video card upgrade. Ah well, I heard it sucks anyway.
the trick with MHZ is that Intel reinforced that more mHZ is more speed. Look how many people laughd at Apple for years when the G4 running at 400mhz was out performing 1 ghz intel chips.
Simpl
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Re:Upgrade (Score:2)
Okay...but my credit limit isn't high enouth for a Sun Fire 4900.
turns out (Score:2)
100 architectures?! (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:2, Insightful)
While the slashdot crowd might find such a benchmark informative, the general Tom's HWG user probably would not.
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:5, Interesting)
I did say this is useless, right? Good. Note that most of these machines are multi-cpu machines, and it looks like I only did this on Power4, PPC, Intel and AMD, and Alpha systems.
My stupid command is:
dd if=/dev/zero bs=32768 count=3200 | time gzip >
Here are the machines and the USER-time result in seconds:
MHz Secs CPU Arch
3185 1.04 Intel Xeon CPU 3.20GHz
3057 1.08 Intel Xeon CPU 3.06GHz
2795 1.22 Intel Xeon MP CPU 2.80GHz
2786 1.22 Intel Xeon CPU 2.80GHz
2395 1.39 Intel Xeon CPU 2.40GHz
1800 2.00 AMD Athlon 64 Processor
1533 2.44 AMD Athlon MP 1800+
1300 3.18 IBM Power4
1108 3.69 IBM P690 Power4
1108 3.71 IBM P690 Power4
1000 4.36 EV6.8CB
1150 4.4 EV7 21364
1000 4.79 AMD Duron OC 133FSB
1000 5.1 EV6.8CB 21264C
1000 5.37 PIII Xeon Coppermine core
1000 5.5 PowerPC RS64-IV
866 5.76 PIII Coppermine core
700 6.1 EV6.7 21264A
500 12.36 PIII Katmai core
600 14.9 EV5
400 14.99 AMD K6
350 17.23 Pentium 2
532 19 EV5.6 21164A
300 27.14 Pentium MMX
300 34 EV5
Due to the Lameness Filter, I can't make the above data any prettier, but I'd bet you can figure it out.
Of course with differences in OS, compilers, memory speeds, etc. you can't really draw any conclusions from this, EXCEPT this is how fast this particular command runs on these exact systems, AND you can run it on yours to compare how fast a stupid command will finish, which is good to know.
--rebar
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:2)
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:2)
Oh, and the AMD64 is running in 32 bit mode; IIRC it was about 20% faster when running Gentoo in 64 bit mode.
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:2)
Hate to break it to you, but gzip is actually a useful benchmark. I spend more time waiting on file compression commands on my old computer than anything else, because I tend to like to tar and compress infrequently used directories. I also re-do gzipped downloads in bzip to save space.
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:2)
I hate waiting on gzip so much that I wrote a multi-threaded program to make gzip files faster on machines with >1 CPU; see http://lemley.net/smp.html if you have more than one CPU and hate to wait on compression program
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:2)
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:2)
Maybe you just long for the days of the happy mac on the screen during boot up?
Tom
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:3, Interesting)
Who doesn't?
Admit it. You felt happy every time that little icon showed up. The world was a better place, because the computer was starting up and it was happy doing it.
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:2)
Tom
Re:100 architectures?! (Score:2)
Tom
Recently? (Score:3, Informative)
The title of this newspiece is misleading! (Score:5, Interesting)
I only see x86 CPUs. What about the PowerPCs, SPARCs, MIPS, Alphas, ARMs, and so on?
For instance, the m68060 was the first consumer level processor with branch prediction and branch folding, superscalar dispatch, and real-world throughput of more than one instruction per clock cycle. Except for floating point where it performed only modestly, the m68060 seriously outperformed the Pentium in spite of only having a 32 bit data bus as compared with the Pentium's 64 bit bus. Isn't this significant in illustrating the influences in processor architecture?
http://www.sixgirls.org/ is an m68060 Amiga running NetBSD 2.0. Still very useful after all this time. Where are all those Pentium 60 machines?
Re:The title of this newspiece is misleading! (Score:2)
Games drive consumer CPU advances, plain and simple, and the CPUs you mentioned had virtually nothing (comparitively) to offer in terms o
Re:The title of this newspiece is misleading! (Score:2)
I'm sure IBM and Motorola would disagree with that. I'd bet Apple (who buys from IBM) would disagree with you. I'd bet Sun disagrees with you.
In fact, maybe the only business that would agree with you would perhaps be HP with their now defunct Alpha product (Started by Digital and destroyed by Compaq).
This is the problem with
Re:The title of this newspiece is misleading! (Score:2)
You're absolutely right that gaming hasn't driven CPU advancement, but it has certainly drive CPU pricing, which is arguably just as important.
Re:The title of this newspiece is misleading! (Score:2)
The bleeding edge will always be expensive, be it for servers or desktops.
Re:The title of this newspiece is misleading! (Score:2)
Well the best place for them is as a firewall between the broadband modem and the new PC. People are using separate hardware firewalls, right? No? Oh dear...
Why Jesus... Why not force Coralization on /.? (Score:4, Informative)
Part 2: http://www.tomshardware.com.nyud.net:8090/cpu/200
Why cthulhu... Why not force automatic links? (Score:2)
Second Link [nyud.net]
8mb card for PCI? (Score:4, Insightful)
Matrox Mystique G170
Memory: 8 MB SD-G-RAM
They should use the fastest availible video card if they are testing CPU speed. My 200mhz pentium pro with a 16mb TNT card ran Quake 3.
My results (Score:3, Informative)
Just a teaser, I have been running a collection of benchmarks since the Pentium 90.
At the time, I was involved in a huge UNIX engineering workstation benchmark. I felt we needed something more constant than the applications to compare performance (the engineering apps constantly change). So I quickly assembled everything I could find that could be easily run. These are mostly 'toy' benchmarks, but the results are still interesting.
For these int benchmarks, higher is better:
c4.s c4.64 dhry21 hanoi heapsort nsieve nsieve TOTAL
Kpos/sec Kpos/sec MIPS mvs/sec high High Low
MIPS MIPS MIPS
P 90 92.7 94.2 68.6 51.2 43.55 111.0 33.3 494.6
md64b 4050.1 4167.8 4914.3 2708.8 3333.7 3333.7 610.4 21782
Float: Higher is better, except for the fft's.
flops20 fft tfftdp
MFLOPS MFLOPS MFLOPS MFLOPS TOTAL time time
(1) (2) (3) (4)
P 90 13.3 12.8 18.1 23.8 68.0 3.07 16.81
amd64 1120.9 1004.3 1480.9 1834.7 5440.8 0.04 0.42
The P90 was running RedHat. The AMD64 is my new desktop, a 90nm 3000 OC'd to 2430 Mhz. My data also includes systems from DEC, HP, IBM, Sun and SGI. I also ran 10 matrix multiply benchmarks as part of the effort.
I have never gotten around to publishing the results or the collection of benchmarks.. Maybe it is time.
But... (Score:5, Funny)
Exciting? (Score:5, Informative)
Actually I shouldn't give Tom's Hardware a hard time (like everyone else seems to). As articles go, the reviews of high-end ink-jets [tomshardware.com], the 8-channel RAID6 card [tomshardware.com] and the Viewsonic media center [tomsnetworking.com] were quite interesting (and a lot more recent than the CPU round-up too).
These days though, my favourite reviewer is Dan [dansdata.com] (who posts here now and then). Dan seems to understand that a million graphs showing you the statistically insignificant difference between the latest mobos / graphic cards / processors / ram sinks don't really make a great site.
Re:Exciting? (Score:2)
He just takes every shit he gets for free and tells something about it, which is either "its cool" or "it sucks", only with more words.
Every 2nd article is eiter a beggin for money (he actually posts news items "please send me money via paypal") or a blatant product placement ("click here to get those GREAT photon lights for so much cheape
Not necessarily a dup, (Score:2)
IIRC they decompressed zip files and encoded video stuff among other things. It's quite impressive to see a fairly modern CPU performing the same task in minutes which used to take several hours on one of those 'antiques'.
Stock Intel PPro CPUs did not have MMX! (Score:2)
Not in hardware it doesn't.... Not without an OD. (Score:2)
I own seven PPro boxes myself, most of them with stepping level 7 or 9 CPUs, and one with a PII/333 OverDrive chip installed.
It's fairly trivial to demonstrate that MMX instructions are not present -- almost any CPU identification software will test for that, and the one Linux game I've been interested in which has a hard
Heh. (Score:2)
After a bad board and bad processor (from partspc!) blew a RAM chip I had bought for it, I ended up RMAing all three of them, likely with little or no compensation coming my way.
So here I am, after Christmas, stuck with one functional 512 stick of PC3200 Corsair after have spent $400 or more on my upgrade fest.
That's why I don't upgrade very often, besides the lack of money. Because I know that there's a good chance what
24% performance increase = zero value (Score:2)
But I'm talking to a bunch of gamers for whom that last 0.4% performance boost is worth more than a hot cheerleader full of X.
Some gamers have skewed perceptions (Score:3, Insightful)
But I'm talking to a bunch of gamers for whom that last 0.4% performance boost is worth more than a hot cheerleader full of X.
These are the same people that get into squabbles over which display adapter is better when A gets 150FPS (frames per second) and B gets 140FPS but with better double-dodecahedron rendering or whatever. It makes no difference to them that most human eyes cannot distinguish between 40FPS and 80FPS, let alone anything above 100. However, if the [abstract and wholly meaningless n
Re:Some gamers have skewed perceptions (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:24% performance increase = zero value (Score:2)
I don't upgrade until there's a computer 10x better than the one I have right now, and available at a good value.
Hardware Makes Expensive Software Obsolete (Score:2, Interesting)
Question about FSB speeds... (Score:2)
Re:Slashdotted (Score:2)
I wonder what hardware they're using to run Tom's site?
Tom uses several of these [pair.com]. He has multiple dedicated boxes with this company (the same one I use, but I am on shared hosting). This host uses FreeBSD, so maybe his site died along with BSD? :-)
Re:Wow (Score:2)
AMD made 286 processors? (Score:3, Interesting)
Though that was before my time, I do know for sure that AMD made processors way before they got the clock speed to 600MHz, so you're right about that.
Re:AMD made 286 processors? (Score:2)
Anyone know a good place to get ancient RAM?
Re:AMD made 286 processors? (Score:3, Informative)
AMD was a second-source for Intel CPUs up through the 286 era. I believe this arose out of IBM's requirement to have a second source for whatever CPU it picked for its PC. It appears Wikipedia corroborates my story. [wikipedia.org]
--JoeRe:This is only covers 1999-2004 (Score:2)
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041220/index.
Re:would be nice (Score:2)