Think Secret Predicts Sub-$500 Headless Mac 922
eadint writes "I have just read an article posted on Think Secret that discusses a
confirmed $499
Apple box sans monitor. According to the article, this has been
under development for almost one year and may be available towards the
end of 2005Q1. The system is rumored to be based on a G4 with 256MB
of RAM , 40-80GB HD with a combo drive (sorry, no SuperDrive). Although Apple has stated in the past that they have no motivation to
compete in the sub-$600 PC market, this system was based on polls showing that more people would buy it after initial exposure
to the iPod." "Confirmed" seems a strong word, but I hope this is more than wishful thinking.
Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:5, Insightful)
Plus, at $500, geeks can afford to buy it and find out if it's easy to get their work done on it. The easier it is to switch my day-to-day work over gradually to an Apple, the more likely I'd be to do it. I'm sure I'll have a couple/few apps that I have to run on Windows, but if you put them both on my desk and let me toy with both, I bet I'd be more likely to run my MS-only stuff on a virtual machine.
Could I get a $500 used Mac with a CRT monitor? Sure, but who wants that big bulky thing around? Instead, give me something I can use with a USB KVM switch, and then I can explore it on my own pace.
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:5, Informative)
I don't want to discourage anyone from doing what you describe, but you might want to avoid the $50 KVM switch.
Sure, back in the old days I used a $30 physical A/B/C/D switch for VGA connections which worked fine with my Amiga (15kHz) and VGA (31kHz), but as soon as you crank the resolutions and frequencies up, the cheap KVMs don't hold up.
If you want to do it right, you need a good KVM. Specifically, you need to look at the specs of the device, and how high a bus rate it can handle; this makes all the difference in your display quality. Personally, I use a Belkin OmniView 4-port PS/2 & USB device (vendor page here [belkin.com]) which has worked great for me. You can get it cheaper, and despite what I found on pricegrabber [pricegrabber.com] about the device (reviews), I have had no problems. Unfortunately, it doesn't QUITE end there, though. You still need cables, and you can't get away with cheap cables; you should really go with the ones that Belkin sells, since they're up to spec. I tried the $15 cables, and your screen ghosts pretty bad.
In the end, total cost for the 4-port KVM I bought? With 2 sets of high quality cables and another set of cheap cables, I ran nearly $190, though I probably could have done better by going online. YMMV.
(note: I don't work for Belkin and have no particular love for the company, its just that I did a little research and found this to be the best product circa early 2002)
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:4, Informative)
One potater [yellowdoglinux.com], two potater [debian.org], three potater [mandrakesoft.com] four [ubuntulinux.org]. All as healthy and mature as any linux distribution, but it's not like most would ever buy a Mac just to run linux.
Unless this is another of those "just cause I can" things. :-)
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:3, Interesting)
I've only run into a problem with Linux on ppc at this point...X locks up all the damned time. It seems a number of others are having this problem...seems to be Xorg related. However, working on this one...before the locks started, thing ran like a top. Nice to have the dual book choice. Mine is an older iBook 800Mhz.
One note...the G4 and G5's sometimes aren't as fully supported at the G3's...especially with relation to the laptops. Not familiar how well everything works
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:5, Interesting)
I haven't tried anything else, but that'll show you that just because distros are available for the mac doesn't mean they're worth using.
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:4, Insightful)
Seriously, you can get linux for a mac and with a cleverly designed box. As this iBook gets older I might put linux on it, because at some point it isn't going to handle the newer os'es (Tiger already needs a 64meg gcard).
In anwser to your question, Linux at this stage doesn't have the more mainstream windows apps that the mac has. Thats an added bonus because you have that compatibility bonus without the day to day hassle of a windows machine..
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:3, Informative)
That's certainly true for me. It's a mixture of thousands of small things - spring-loaded folders; labels; the application install process (or lack of); the dock (yes I like it); the way windows show you where they
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:5, Informative)
Turn them off.
"the application install process (or lack of)" - (lack of) a central location to add/remove software from your computer.
Drag the application to the Trash can. Done. True, you have support libraries in the
"the dock (yes I like it)" - I don't. You can't see your application titles unless you mouse over them. What if you have 6+ Word docs open?
Use Expose after you get to the document(I can't believe expose wasn't even talked about yet, or Cmd+` to cycle through you apps
If Mac's had a way to turn off the Scale/Genie effects entirely, I wouldn't mind at all.
It can be turned of very simply. Apple Logo->Dock->Dock Preferences
The only way to close a Mac app is to Control-Click it on the dock, and wait for a menu to quit the application
Apple users abuse the hell out of hotkeys. cmd+w to close a window, cmd+q to quit the application. if you get really happy, cmd+tab+q+tab+q etc... to close all the applications.
I just need a computer to get my work done, IM my friends, and maybe read some original and witty jokes
You sound like Apple's target audience:-D
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:5, Insightful)
I still have a Dull running Windows for games, but have pulled all my document, data, movie, and audio files to the Powerbook.
OS X has the most of the features of *nix yet it has very few of the down falls(drivers, okay that's all I can think of).
I bought a lightweight portable computer. It's now very common to see me next to the fire place listening to music and surfing the web for hours at a time. The 4-5 hours of battery life is great. I am getting roughly 4 hours of wireless web surfing. slightly less if I start playing videos. Of course I have also downloaded AND burned a knoppix disc wirelessly and still had two hours to go web surfing with. If Burning a CD isn't power intensive I don't know what else could drain the system.
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:4, Informative)
For me as a developer, I find I am much more productive under Mac OS X. The OS almost entirely "just works," has the MS Office apps I need to collaborate with staff and clients, and I can mostly just focus on my development without chasing down dependencies in this lib or that to get this feature or that working. I was never able to avoid being a "tweak" while running Linux or FreeBSD to do development. Mac OS X has freed me from that, thankfully.
Comparing it to Windows-based development, I spend 1/100th the time chasing down system problems that keep me from development work. Under Windows, it seems like I'm always fighting some stupid problem with dll hell or just the windowing system or underlying kernel breaking and wasting hours (sometimes days) at a time.
The most time-draining thing Mac OS X has caused me to waste time on so far was about 2h to figure out postgresql not getting enough sysv shm. That was solved by a few google searches and a grep through
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:3)
In the many years of developing gigabytes of original material of dozens of different kinds on win2k/XP (typesetting, graphics, scientific computing, all kinds of coding in dozens of languages in hundreds of applications) I have never o
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:New G4 Mac Ain't Gonna Happen (Score:4, Interesting)
1. They updated the iBook to a G4 recently.
2. There is still a G4 in the Powerbook, and probably will be for another round of updates(watch Steve prove me wrong on Jan.11).
3. The eMac is still selling relatively well.
All of this means Apple is committed to supporting the G4 for at least two more OS updates after it stops shipping machines with that processor(based on past history). The 68040 chips were supported through OS 8.1(1998), though they stopped selling them in 1995(~ OS 7.5). PPC chips(60x series) were officially support through OS 9.1(Jan. 2001), though they were last shipped in 1998(OS 8.6).
Re:Seriously, how about a cluster of these? (Score:3, Interesting)
Could you cluster a few of these things together...and run the mac server version of OSX? Just thinking off the top of my head with no research yet...but, might be interesting. And at this price...easily affordable.
Re:Seriously, how about a cluster of these? (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.apple.com.au/server/clustering_resourc
good start point for further research...
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:5, Insightful)
This thing ain't no workstation. Most likely its a "Media Center" with PC capabilities, a place to centralize all your iPod songs, load your iPod, browse the web, edit a document in Office:Mac 2004, sync your cell phone via Bluetooth, etc. So few people really need the heavy lifting of a 3+ Ghz computer.
Heck, the lack of constant spyware invasions are enough to make me think I'd be ahead of the game replacing a few relatives PC's. Those 3-hour spyware removal missions get annoying every three months
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:3, Insightful)
1. Apple has long expressed no interest in selling such a machine.
2. A new G4 desktop system in Spring of 2005? No chance. Apple is moving away from the Motorola G4 archetecture, in favor of the IBM G5. The eMac and the current laptops will probably be the end of the line for the G4.
3. The current G4 eMac is $800, and their margin on it is thin (by Apple standards.) This rumored system is pretty much a G4 with the $100 monitor removed. No way Apple sells it for $
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Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:3, Interesting)
The whole point of buying a Mac (in my opinion) is to get the software. An old G4 tower from about two years ago will have old software from about two years ago. That's not the way I want to get started on a Mac journey.
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:3, Insightful)
Depends on who you buy it from. Were I currently selling one right now, I would probably have 10.3 loaded on it, because I tend to keep my Macs up-to-date.
For that matter, if you are a typical Slashdot DIY type, buy a stripped bare-bones G4 system from a repair shop, load it with whatever HD, memory, graphics card, and CD/DVD drive you like, pick up a copy of 10.3 for $120, and you will probably end up with a nicer
Hate to break it to you, but...no. (Score:3, Insightful)
1. Apple has long expressed no interest in selling such a machine.
The article mentions this and explains why Apple still may do it.
2. A new G4 desktop system in Spring of 2005? No chance. Apple is moving away from the Motorola G4 archetecture, in favor of the IBM G5. The eMac and the current laptops will probably be the end of the line for the G4.
INCORRECT! Motorola has announced that they are working on dual-core G4's that scale to 2 GHz, with 64-bit extensions, a
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:5, Informative)
Any that means they never will?
2. A new G4 desktop system in Spring of 2005? No chance. Apple is moving away from the Motorola G4 archetecture, in favor of the IBM G5.
Two words: PowerBook, iBook.
Well, a few more words: G4 isn't going any time soon, as they will still be using them for the PowerBook and iBook for a while longer. They have even said themselves not to expect a G5 laptop any time soon. So even though they may upgrade the eMac, there is no reason to believe they won't base this rumored machine on a G4. Especially if it's designed to be a small, bottom end machine. I mean, if it's good enough for their top-end laptops, then surely it's also good enough for their bottem-end desktop?
3. The current G4 eMac is $800, and their margin on it is thin (by Apple standards.) This rumored system is pretty much a G4 with the $100 monitor removed. No way Apple sells it for $500.
Unless you know the cost of the hardware for each of these machines, it's pretty hard to go by the price of the eMac.
4. Everybody who says they would never buy one of the current Macs, but would buy this one for $500 out of impulse, is a damn liar.
Utter BS. How can you possibly make such hardline judgements about complex things like purchasing decisions? For starters, not everyone even likes to buy 2nd hand, let alone that fact that a G4 tower will probably be much bigger than this thing.
Re:Finally - make it an impulse purchase (Score:3, Interesting)
That is just silly. If I am spending my money, I don't want some used crap with no warranty from eBay.
5 Reasons for a successful $500 Mac (Score:3, Insightful)
If it has PCI-slots I might consider it. (Score:4, Interesting)
But please add PCI-slots.
Re:If it has PCI-slots I might consider it. (Score:5, Interesting)
There is already NIC, Firewire, USB, Sound and Video cards onboard. I've had several macs, and i've never installed a single addon card in any of them.
The only thing i've ever come up with was to use one as a firewall, in that case a second NIC would be desirable, but otherwise?
Re:If it has PCI-slots I might consider it. (Score:5, Insightful)
To most people, PCI slots don't matter. To a minority, they do matter, and to that minority, the lack may prevent them from buying a Mac. In my case, I have a tendency to upgrade older machines and move them into a server role as I replace them on the desktop, and this is not possible with the inexpensive Macs being discussed in this article.
For example, consider my current firewall/server machine and the upgrades I have done, relative to an iMac from the same time period. It's a Pentium 2 400 mhz from 1997 or so.
-Add another NIC so I can use it as a firewall... impossible on the iMac.
-Add an SATA card... impossible on the iMac.
-Add a 160 gb hard drive... impossible on the iMac as the ATA controllers of the time could not handle drives bigger than 128 gb.
-Use the drive at full speed... impossible on the iMac because the ATA controllers of the time were limited to ATA-33.
-Now using 2 hard drives... impossible on the iMac.
-Upgrade the second NIC to gigabit... impossible on the iMac. Impossible on current iMacs too.
-Upgrade the USB to USB 2.0... impossible on the iMac.
It's not that Apple computers don't have all the spiffy ports, it's that they can't be upgraded later on when the definition of "spiffy port" changes.
People usually argue that enthusiasts like myself should be buying PowerMacs, but the whole point is that a $500 PC is just as capable of doing these things as a $2000 PowerMac. PowerMacs have many benefits, but you pay for a lot of benefits that you don't need to buy the one benefit that you do.
Re:If it has PCI-slots I might consider it. (Score:3, Insightful)
-Add an SATA card... impossible on the iMac.
-Add a 160 gb hard drive... impossible on the iMac as the ATA controllers of the time could not handle drives bigger than 128 gb.
-Use the drive at full speed... impossible on the iMac because the ATA controllers of the time were limited to ATA-33.
-Now using 2 hard drives... impossible on the iMac.
-Upgrade the second NIC to gigabit... impossible on the iMac. Impossible on current iMacs to
Re:If it has PCI-slots I might consider it. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:If it has PCI-slots I might consider it. (Score:3, Informative)
I meant something like this [firewire-1394.com].
Mac-firewire-box-TV.
Re:If it has PCI-slots I might consider it. (Score:4, Interesting)
More Firewire DV and audio stuff:
ADS Pyro A/V Link [adstech.com]
Avid Mojo [avid.com]
MOTU 896HD 196kHz Firewire audio interface [motu.com]
Re:If it has PCI-slots I might consider it. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:If it has PCI-slots I might consider it. (Score:5, Insightful)
But if you want to use it for office work or internet surfing, it's hard to see why you'd want or need PCI anyway.
Great! (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it'd be a great decision... lets see how much it canablizes on Power Macs though.
Re:Great! (Score:5, Insightful)
Sources familiar with the product cautioned that the low-end Mac will be marketed towards a totally different audience than those who traditionally buy even a $799 eMac. "This product is not going to be about performance," said a source close to Apple. "This is going to be the basics, but with just as much of a focus on software as any Mac could ever be."
Entry-level Computer: The new MyMac (or whatever)
Workstation for Pros: The PowerMac G5
I don't see how hard it is to realize that they have two vastly different target markets that don't overlap that much; some people will want the experience of using Apple Mail and Safari while others need 8GB of RAM for Photoshop.
Almost certainly upgradeable (Score:5, Interesting)
Kind of like the Dell machines that start at $400 or so, then by the time you add on the usual needs (bump up the RAM to at least 512) they come out to $500 - $600.
If this is the case, Apple now has a great chance to gain market share. I've wondered for years what would happen if a headless iMac comes out (since everybody already owns a monitor, why buy a machine with another one anyway?).
If it becomes popular, I wonder if more game companies will go the Blizzard route and dual-release their software for both the PC and the Mac. Hm. Well, I've got an hour before I have to go to work - time for a little Warcraft
As long as it isn't crippled software wise... (Score:4, Insightful)
I would still keep my PC's, but I would love access to FCP and Motion.
Re:As long as it isn't crippled software wise... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:As long as it isn't crippled software wise... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:As long as it isn't crippled software wise... (Score:3, Interesting)
1. His employer is paying for the software but not a work at home box/extra computer at work.
2. He has approx. $2000 to spend on a project that "needs" the above software.
3. He thinks the advantages of the above software compared to Win/Linux software is worth ~$500 to him but not $1000+. So he can "justify" spending $500 to buy a box to run the software but not $1000.
Hell yes they would sell! (Score:5, Insightful)
Face it, geeks know the power of OSX but Apple hasn't done a great job of selling why a Mac today is differnet from the Macs of yesteryear. People either have ancidotal stories of how Macs don't play nice with Windows (which was never really true) or they have experiences with Mac-snobs or anti-Mac-snobs that have put them off even giving it a chance.
I recommended we look at replacing some of our desktop machines with eMacs or iMacs as a trial last year and senior management looked at me like I was nuts. "But...But...it's not a Dell! And it Doesn't-Run-Windows(tm)! How will anyone get any work done?"
It's harder to convince senior management to put out $20,000 for a ten box trial, but $5000 is much more palatable
So go Apple! Build your boxes; they'll sell like hotcakes (especially if you make a $700 headless mac / iPod bundle).
About friggin time! (Score:5, Insightful)
The biggest selling point is obviously security. EVERY average Joe computer user I know is compromised with spyware and viruses (especially those with kids). I tell everyone who'll listen to buy a Mac when they're looking for a new PC, because it'll actually work after two weeks of use. It's nice to see that Apple might actually have something affordable for these folks.
Apple needs to rethink specifications (Score:5, Interesting)
The average Joe's perception of difference between a computer with 40gb of hdd & 256mb of RAM vs one with 80gb of hdd and 512mb of RAM as huge as a "3 megapixel camera" vs a "5 megapixel camera".
Apple needs to understand that underspeccing their computers to make a few dollars more per unit or to have the price slightly lower, actually costs them more than it makes. It furthermore makes people take Apple less seriously - they keep trying to push their out-of-date computers, *and* they're underspeccing them as if they're old stock or they're trying to cut every cent off of costs.
I seem to remember Commodore having a similar over-priced highend + underspecced low-end strategy.
Re:Apple needs to rethink specifications (Score:5, Insightful)
But at a sub-$500 price point, every dollar matters. If these things do sell like hotcakes, Apple needs to squeeze out the biggest margin they possibly can in order to make any money on it. This computer isn't going to be meant for the type of person who reads specs before they buy, it's for the people who just want to try out the new "Internet thingy" they've been hearing about these days. Apple wants people like you to shell out a bit more cash for your computer. I think that in this case, "underspeccing" is the way to go, since they know plenty of people will buy it regardless of specs because they just want to try Apple (if they're high end users) or own any computer at all (if they're low end users).
A great example, have you heard of the low end Palm Zire series? Absurdly underspecced--they even decreased the number of hardware buttons--but they became Palm's best selling unit for over a year. And it's simply because the type of people who bought it weren't power users and didn't demand competitive specs, they just wanted any Palm. For many, it was perfectly adequate, and for others, it whetted their apetite for a more powerful unit (more dollars for Palm)
Re:Apple needs to rethink specifications (Score:4, Interesting)
Why sell a machine with so much CPU horsepower then don't expext anyone to run an app that could actually take advantage of it (like Photoshop)?
RAM is the problem (Score:3, Insightful)
The starting RAM size should be 512, with room for expansion. One of the more annoying things they do is offer Powerbooks with 512, but with both slots full (256 in each), so expansion ability is stifled. It actually costs more to get the 512MB in ONE slot.
This is one of the few things that still pisses me off about Apple. The other thing is iBook
Re:RAM is the problem (Score:3, Interesting)
Here They Come (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Here They Come (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Here They Come (Score:3, Insightful)
Unfortunately, I switched to a Mac when the two-button with scroll wheel mouse had already been burned into my brain and I work with it.
But, if you ever watch a Mac user, especially a professional, who uses a lot of keyboard shortcuts, that command key is the most used key on the keyboard and the left thumb is always posed above it.
A one-button mouse is not a detriment and is in fact a more efficient way to work if you have learned to work within the er
Re:Here They Come (Score:3, Insightful)
Unless you've been doing what I've been doing for the last 30 minutes; browsing the web with my left arm comfortably under my chin, or in my lap half the time.
I'll give you usablity. But not ergonomics. Because in reality, people don't nessesarly sit with their spare hand over the keyboard all the time if they don't need to use it.
However, I agree that when you do have your other hand over the keyboard, it's better (or at least equal).
iPod Dock built in (Score:4, Interesting)
Not for US Market (Score:5, Informative)
Here's the press release [nationmultimedia.com]
Re:Not for US Market (Score:3, Insightful)
Apple tried that sort of thing before; the eMac was originally supposed to be only for education, but popular demand forced them to sell to everyone. If they try to limit this Mac to specific countries, we'll see a huge gray market spring up in record time.
Sub-$500 market (Score:5, Insightful)
- with
a monitor for $499. On ebay you can find some pretty nice used machines for under $100.Over $1000 these days is where you can find some really nice machines. But $1000 is no longer the entry point. If you were someone buying your first computer, would you want to plunge right in to a $1000+ Macintosh, or go for a sub $500 PC?
It took long enough for Apple to see this, but they would have to be stupid to ignore it forever. It makes perfect sense to offer an entry point into Apple at the sub-$500 mark. And with the massive amount of cashflow they are getting from the overpriced iPod, they can certainly afford to cut their margins a bit on the low end in order to get the "apple" brand into the hands of the PC using public.
I never really pay much attention to apples, but I love competition in the marketplace, so I hope this is true.
256mb RAM? (Score:3, Insightful)
If iPod users invest in this machine, they are quickly going to be disappointed in the lack of games (especially since the spec is relatively low), and find it struggles a bit when they start using large Garageband files. Still, only time will tell. We Slashdotters can, occasionally, be wrong.
Apple's approaching it wrong (Score:4, Interesting)
What many people don't know is that Sun actually did this [link4pc.com] a while back. I have an ATX rack-mount server with a Sun AXi motherboard in it, and it acts exactly like a Sun machine -- because it is a Sun machine. I'd love to see Apple do this.
Hardware Subsidizes Software (Score:3, Insightful)
Let me know when Microsoft starts giving away Windows for free with a bundled software suite, because Apple subsidizes their sofware R&D from hardware sales, so if they drop their hardware margins you don't get software.
Would you really be happier if you could get an ATX Mac Board and then had to go to Staples to put down $129 for OSX and $49 for iLife, and whatever for Appleworks, Quicken and whatever else they
Not enough RAM (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Not enough RAM (Score:3, Insightful)
Mom, there's your Apple! (Score:3, Insightful)
However, better late than never as they say...
Innocents Day? (Score:3, Insightful)
BRING IT ON!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
A 1" thick headless unit fits nicely in my A/V cabinet.
Yeah, you heard me - network connection - audio line out (or atleast USB/Firewire for 3rd party)
This is the new Media server for my den.
Did you hear that? (Score:3, Insightful)
A $500 Mac IMO would be a biggest thing since the introduction of the PowerPC, iMac or iPod. It will rip through the computer world like a wildfire. The unreal power of OS X and a Mac for the price of some nasty thing from Dell? Oh, it's too good to be true. The only thing that would make it better is if it was like the Mac Cube and silent. That would throw the computer world for a spin. Imagine all the uses: small web server farms, MS Windows owners buying one with a KVM to run along side their MS Windows box. Jobs has pull off some pretty stunts and this without a doubt would be in his top 10. I will buy three the first day they come out; one for my daughter (she loves my wife's Mac and hates to share), one for my folks (playing admin for their MS Window's box sucks and one for me to run Ubuntu and MOL (hey, I had a ton of great Classic apps that still do the job).
If someone says they're also bring back HyperCard I'll know it's a dream. If this new Mac is real Mac is back!
Re:reality check (Score:5, Informative)
OS X on a cheap G4 will convert people. The only key issues for me are stock RAM configurations and build quality.
Re:reality check (Score:3, Insightful)
Not on that machine, not until a particular project is finished next month. Always update between major projects. It's a calculated risk, and easier to make when you're 'flying under the radar' on an alternative OS.
used the trademark phrase of "snappy"
OK, busted. The dual G4 is right at the edge of what I consider a responsive GUI, and not always snappy (eg. wh
Add a Built-in iPod Dock. (Score:4, Insightful)
iServe (Score:3, Interesting)
Like, say, if you took a 17" iMac G5, ripped out the display, put it on it's side and racked it...but reconfig'd it so that the ports and slots would be easy to access while in a rack. Give me a single-processor G5 mobo, 2 internal SATA drives, a CD-ROM, a single PCI slot, and a choice of Mac OS X or Mac OS X Server, and I'm good to go.
I have visions of Apple Network Appliances dancing in my head..email, DNS, DHCP, Open Directory nodes, web servers, etc, etc. All that nifty infrastructure stuff that doesn't really require a full-blown XServe, but that works great on multiple cheap boxen.
The answer to familial tech support? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The answer to familial tech support? (Score:3, Interesting)
I know what you mean. My wife is going to buy a laptop next month and if she decides to stay on a PC, I will no longer provide her with assistance. I simply am not interested in figuring out where all her spyware came from, or why Windows is suddenly crashing all the time.
Life is too short to deal with Windows.
now's their chance? (Score:4, Interesting)
maybe now with microsoft looking pretty weak with their security problems and continually delaying longhorn, and with the problems intel is having and the rest of the PC market is having Apple is seeing this as a chance to make up for past mistakes and finally sell the "computer for everyone" they originally intended.
Mac Crack (Score:5, Funny)
No discussion: Gimme (Score:3, Interesting)
Apple's answer to Media Center? (Score:5, Interesting)
There's been a sea change in monitors. Back in ye Olden Days, you had a Commodore 64 using a TV for a display. Fuzzy.
Then came RGB monitors, which cost more than a TV, couldn't be used as a TV, but made computer video output much more usable.
Then the monitors developed into hi-rez monsters. They showed TV better than TV sets showed TV.
But now, lookee: hi-end high def TV's can run 1080i, or even 1080p with a converter. We have consumer TV's that can handily act as a not-bad monitor for a PC.
What's an Apple to do with the situation of Microsoft end-running the entire entertainment industry by making their DRM and Media Center the de facto standard? They take the guts of a iMac and make a cheap Small Form Factor computer for cheap. It doesn't have Bill's virus problem inherent in the OS, and, also, most importantly, it doesn't crash.
Run, Steve, run!
Smart move. This would cement... (Score:3, Insightful)
This is exactly what Apple has to do in order to expand into the gap that MS is leaving behind by slowly but shurely trickeling out of the corporate workplaces. A Sub-500$, low power computer that comes shrinkwrapped with OS X is all it takes to migrate even more people who hate MS (everybody exept gamers) to their plattform. Right now the only alternative for modern micro systems is to get some cool Mini ITX or XPC and spend 20 days trying to get Linux running on it satisfactory.
With a move like this Apple would put it's foot down and make a clear statement for the 100% OSS-ready appliance market.
As I said earlier [slashdot.org], this is the next logical step needed to share he market between OSS and all-in-one-package providers. Which Apple essentially is. If this is going to happen, my next file-and-mail server is going to be a mac aswell.
The Cube reborn? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why are there some many anti mac comments here? (Score:3, Insightful)
While this article should've spawned positive discussions on this new Mac's possible uses, it pros and cons, it has partly turned into flamefest where people get trashed for say something less than "MS Windows XP is number one."
It's about a new Mac and a new direction for Apple, nothing more.
And they'll call it... (Score:3, Funny)
Target market is windows users -- built-in KVM (Score:3, Insightful)
Plug PC into mac. Plug mac into existing keyboard, mouse, monitor.
The pass-through should also include ethernet, just to cut down on cable clutter.
You could easily make a simple physical "mac/not mac" switch on the front of the machine (next to the drive & on/off buttons).
I would buy one. I might buy two.
Would be great, but... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Would be great, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes. In fact, if this isn't just a rumor, I'll buy one.
"As an Apple Store employee, this just doesn't make sense to me. Why would they want to sell a $500 computer when the extra cost of a monitor would nullify the fact that it is a cheap Mac?"
500$ + 100$ = 600$
Cheap emac = 800$
Is the savings of two hundred dollars that confusing to you?
It matters.
Accessorize your iPod--with a computer! (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple shall nevah make a low-end product just as BMW shall nevah stoop to competing with Saturns
Or some such. You know what I'm talking about.
But the fact is, Apple's now an mp3 player company that happens to sell a tiny number of computers, too. And they're nice computers. I sure like ours. But if it or Wall Street thought iPods would translate into Powerbook or PowerMac sales, they were dreaming.
iPods might translate into sales of inexpensive headless boxes, though. They might if you can say, "Well, that cheap-ass Dell is no deal when I can get a decent machine for the same price." And it might work on impulse terms, too, especially if Apple builds on the kind of this-is-an-iPod-styled-computer metaphor it used in the introduction of the recent iMac. Oddly and ironically, you'd be accessorizing your iPod with a new computer. Hell, why not? Paradigms shift.
Then again, maybe the Pinth-Garnell set is right, and Apple will never stoop. But Jobs is shrewd, and the economic forecast for USA, Inc., is gloomy and getting gloomier. Maybe, just maybe, it's time to stoop!
Re:Interesting... (Score:3, Insightful)
What other software do you need if it is a secondary machine?
You won't need these for a start when buying a mac:
Mp3 player, dvd player, photo editor, movie editor, music editor, dvd burning software, internet browser, anti-spyware, anti-virus, word processor, email, instant messenger.
Re:Interesting... (Score:5, Insightful)
The next slide simply showed a class of 4-to-5 year olds sitting on the floor of a classroom learning how to use some new Macs, they all looked like they were having a great time.
The implication was very clear - either your employees are less capable than the average four-year old, or it's going to be a breeze to train them.
More seriously though, the whole training thing is a bit of a myth in itself - Microsoft has made a habit out of taking something they see on the Apple platform (in terms of GUI innovation) and breaking it just enough to make sure it doesn't look like a complete rip-off of the original. The consequence that I have found in training PC users to use OS X, is that they already understand how a feature is supposed to work except that in OS X, it actually WORKS like they expect it to finally.
Re:PowerBooks (Score:3, Insightful)
As for $400, man - will the whining never end? If this $500 machine isn't cheap enough for you, then I'm sorry it's very likely that Apple doesn't want you as a customer.
Fool! Apple invented the PC market. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Fool! Apple invented the PC market. (Score:3, Informative)
Go read Apple's press releases, at the bottom of them they all say something along the lines of "Apple ignited the Personal Computer industry in 1977(?) with the release of the Apple II..." Seems to me that Apple considers their products to be PCs in the sense that PC == Personal Computers.
-sam
Re:Apple has never competed in PC market (Score:4, Insightful)
If you remember your geek history right, in the late 70s, early 80s the whole point of Apple was to produce computers normal people could afford. The mac and the snazziness came later, but the Apple Is and IIs were cheap compared to the alternatives (if there were any). Hell, the first apples sold for $666, I wouldn't advise using this price considering the current political climate, but something in that range would be very competitive.
I would love it if they would put out a nice little machine like this for the Web/Email crowd that will never produce a home movie, mix their own music, etc. A nicely priced secure box for the non savvy if you will. I've got a ton of people I know that ask me from time to time what computer to buy. The response after I mention a Mac is "they are so expensive, and I saw a dell in the paper for $400, the cheapest mac is like $1000." Believe me, these are people that will surf the web, play solitare, and write a letter or two. That's it.
Make a cheap mac for these folks. Be blunt about its limitations, but put it out there.
P
Re:Better Prices? (Score:4, Insightful)
I do not believe it.
Apple does the unthinkable - something they have CATAGORICALLY STATED was something they had no interest in, Something that has been asked of them for years, Something that Slashdot users are especially good at complaining about.
They finally release a sub-$500 Mac.
What is the Slashdot response?
"Meh, well it's cheaper but you know... I can get a cheaper box from WalMart so blah blah blah"
Whinypants.
Re:Better Prices? (Score:3, Funny)
You're kidding, right? I admit I'm browsing at +3 but I haven't seen a single negative comment yet. So if there are "whinypants" amongst us they are being moderated into oblivion.
No. (Score:5, Insightful)
500 dollars isn't cheap-o. I'd guess it'll basically be an iBook in a desktop, which can't cost that much.
Don't underestimate how important Apple might view this computer for their business.
Re:possible pandora's box (shameful pun) (Score:5, Insightful)
Why don't you let Apple release a 64-bit OS before you declare the 32-bit G4 and these new switchers "stuck with limited software choices". This is a freaking entry level Mac, not some pro-media editing workstation. It is for people who want to surf, email, IM, listen to music, and open a Word or Excel doc from work. What do they need 64-bit computing for in 2004?
Yeah, it will leave "headless switchers in the dust eventually", but so will a top of the line Apple, or for that matter any PC purchased today. That's just the marketspace.
I am using a 1st generation 400Mhz G4 PowerBook at home and while I wish it had a few of the bells and whistles of a newer system, this thing is totally capable for the tasks i described above. That said, it is my opnionion that the system described by ThinkSecret will not leave any Switcher disapointed in their investment.
Re:What plus for the targeted audience ? (Score:3, Informative)
Apple is known first and foremost for being stupid simple. Hence the iPod's success. You might think it's the advertising and only the advertising. You would be wrong.
If - big if - this rumour is true, simplicity will be its selling point. Virus- and popup free internet for the masses, simple stupid picture viewing and organizing, streaming and organizing your iTunes and CD collection, zone-free DVD, maybe even HDR, and for the moderately seasoned computer users, having a mac in your
Re:What plus for the targeted audience ? (Score:3, Funny)
I see your point. these will never catch on.
end sarcasm.
Re:I'll take four (Score:5, Insightful)
no way apple will lower prices, as they have highest margins in the PC world
That's not the concern it used to be. They have one of the hottest gadgets in recent memory with the iPod, and they make as much on that as they do with some of their computer line. They can afford to take a hit in profit to build up user base. It's called a "loss leader".
a clone mac was tried last year and it failed.If by "last year" you mean "1994", then you're correct. And they failed for a whole host of reasons, the least of which is that Apple killed OS licensing in 1996.
Besides,with bittorrent taking up 35% of net use,apple software would be canabalized and freeYou've never installed OS X, I take it. There is no serial number registration, there is no unique identifier for the disc. You can use the same disc to install OS X on any number of computers and they'll all work just fine. Illegally, but fine. :-) Apple doesn't think everyone in the world is a thief and lock you into DRM hell (okay, the iTMS is the exception. Compare their DRM to WindowsMCE, though). Look at the DRM that's packed with an iPod: a brief note exhorting you not to steal.
Re:this is total BS (Score:3, Informative)
They already exist: the LC II, LC III, and Quadra 475. These were primarily for use in schools, but were sold to the public (with monitors, IIRC). You can buy a used/refurb unit for around $50. Just slip an Apple-to-VGA adapter on the video port, soup it up to 7.5.3 and you've got a slow, but reliable workstation. Check here [lowendmac.com] for more info (they
Re:How about an $500 iBook ;) (Score:3, Informative)
Take an iBook, lop off the LCD, scrape off the keyboard and speakers, and replace the 4200 rpm laptop hard drive with a 7200 rpm full-size one...voila! Identical specs to what they're describing here (even down to the ports/power supply, if you check AppleInsider.com).