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Nokia Announces 7710 PDA/GPS/Internet Phone 164

Posted by michael from the something-for-everyone dept.
Tufriast writes "The Register has an interesting article on Nokia's internet ready/GPS/PDA ultra phone. It boasts music playing capabilities and features the Series 90 Software. Its attractiveness, and 'No side-talking' (NGage) capacity alone makes it a handy utensil."
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Nokia Announces 7710 PDA/GPS/Internet Phone

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  • "Europe, Middle East, Africa" (Score:4, Insightful)

    by xNoLaNx ( 653172 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @02:17PM (#10736522)
    Figures it's not something we'll see here anytime soon...

  • First Prime Factorization Post (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 05, 2004 @02:17PM (#10736523)
    7710 = 2 * 3 * 5 * 257

  • Nokia 6190 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rosewood ( 99925 ) <.rosewood. .at. .chat.ru.> on Friday November 05, 2004 @02:19PM (#10736548) Homepage Journal
    I guess this is my last phone "phone" :(

    I love my 6190! It is a great regular phone with amazing super powers. Good size, good features, and it probably is the best phone I have ever had. I would feel weird with something with that big of an LCD in my evil pockets.

  • Phone? (Score:2)

    by 3770 ( 560838 )
    The only thing on that main page that lets you know that it is a phone is the name, the smartphone.

    All the features mentioned has nothing to do with phones.

    I guess it is obvious, but it drives home the point that the "phone" part of a cell phone really isn't the selling point anymore.

  • Lets go back to the days of HUGE cell phones (Score:4, Insightful)

    by lNxUnDeRdOg ( 825794 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @02:20PM (#10736556) Journal
    I'm all for cool gear, but let's face it. A cell phone that can make you a mixed drink is cool, but not if it is the size of two-three average cell phones. just my two pesos...
  • saw the headline and thought "I don't care. I just want a basic cell phone." ?

    My phone is getting outdated and I cannot get a basic cellphone anymore. It sucks! No, I don't want to take pictures, movies, or jack-off with my phone.

    • Idunno, my T720's pretty sparse on cruft, and it gets the job done nicely for me.

    • Re:How many of you.. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Friday November 05, 2004 @02:28PM (#10736644) Homepage Journal
      I want to take pictures and make movies with my phone, manage contacts, handle appointments, listen to music... Because it is most convenient to have all that stuff in one device if you'd like to be able to do it all the time. Otherwise, just buy a normal phone and stop bitching about convergence devices :P

      • Re:How many of you.. (Score:2, Insightful)

        by tepples ( 727027 )

        I think MisanthropicProgram's point is that nobody seems to sell "normal phones" anymore.

        • They exist, they just suck. My phone has a web browser but it's got a black and white screen and far too little resolution to do that kind of crap. It's very slow and very annoying, but it's also very small. It's a GSM1900 phone and I'd be quite happy to sell it to someone, but I haven't found an unlock for it yet. I do have a serial cable for it, though :P
      • I want to take pictures and make movies with my phone, manage contacts, handle appointments, listen to music... Because it is most convenient to have all that stuff in one device if you'd like to be able to do it all the time.

        I'm honestly not trying to be a smartass here, but what's wrong with getting a laptop for contacts, appointments, music, etc.?

    • Re:How many of you.. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @02:30PM (#10736659) Homepage Journal
      ***My phone is getting outdated and I cannot get a basic cellphone anymore.***

      that argument is getting tired.. been hearing that for 2 years.

      and during that whole time, just phone phones have been available and still are. fine, just buy a normal _lowest of low_ end phone.

      or wouldn't you consider something like 1100 [nokia.com] basic? vote with your wallet if you want.

      • ***My phone is getting outdated and I cannot get a basic cellphone anymore.***

        that argument is getting tired.. been hearing that for 2 years.

        and during that whole time, just phone phones have been available and still are. fine, just buy a normal _lowest of low_ end phone.

        or wouldn't you consider something like 1100 basic? vote with your wallet if you want.

        Hell, with most basic cell phones the wallet doesn't even need to be involved. Most carriers will just give them to you. It the guy doesn't like a f
        • Stop right there, before I fall back to complaining about "slashvertizements."

          Seriously, I think this is a very cool device. I don't see how anybody who owns more than two of these devices separately can fail to see the utility. Everything needs a battery, everything needs a screen, and almost everything benefits from wireless communication. It'd be crazy not to roll them together.

      • It used to be that getting a cameraphone meant you were getting a crappy camera and a crappy phone. Now it seems like most cameraphones are better cameras than my camera and better phones than my home phone.

      • Re:How many of you.. (Score:5, Funny)

        by Kenja ( 541830 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @03:02PM (#10737006)
        The Nokia 1100 has a built in flashlight. Will the convergence madness never end?
        • Fortunately for the integration-phobes among us, by the time the grim future of Doom III comes to pass, the technology for integrating a flashlight with another device will have been lost.
    • saw the headline and thought "I don't care. I just want a basic cell phone." ?

      Good point, this probably makes sense for a lot of people. I personally look at these things as a portable internet terminal. You kinda need the cell-phone part for your connection. To me that's a more useful device than a cell-phone, but since you are carrying it around anyway, it's nice to have it be a cell-_phone_ at the same time.

      But, I'm not sure this is 'the' one. The GPS is not built in, and it's questionable whether the
      • it's questionable whether the browser supports JavaScript

        While I guess I'm not sure about the included browser (if there is one), I know the Nokia Series 60 phones have Java support, so I would assume that the Series 90 ones do as well, though I guess Java != JavaScript. As for the browser thing, I'd assume that Nokia is still using the Symbian OS since they recently bought Symbian, and last time I checked there was a version of the Opera browser available for Symbian devices (I ran a copy of Opera a cou

    • Motorola V180, Siemens CF62T, Nokia 3595/6010 (if you are in North America).

      OK so they have color screens and have the ability to run J2ME apps but they are as basic as it gets. The Nokia 3595 has been replaced by the 6010 but I'd recommend searching for a 3595 somewhere because it'll last forever.

      I know these things because I work at a cell phone store and we have people come in who have had their 3595's for years and have beat the shit out of them and they are still working perfectly fine.

      The other

    • Whereas I want a device that has organiser capability, at a minimum. If it's going to have my addressbook, why not my to-do list? And why should I lug around a Palm and a phone?

      It looks, in fact like a better Palm than anything Palm makde. Higher res screen, better form factor, and with a built in phone.
    • One of the big reasons that I still don't have a cell phone is that most cell phones aren't a phone, they're a package. They're a contract, with minutes and special terms and cameras and side-talking and I-don't-know-what-all. I want a phone that's nothing but a phone, free local calls, and I want a simple, no-surprises monthly bill that's not too high. Right now, the only way I can get that seems to be via land line.

      When the phone companies start offering just plain phone service that I can use with a

      • I don't use my cell phone for most of my calls. I have it primarily as a way to be available to my kids and other family members, who also have my home number. I generally use less than 60 min a month on my cell phone.

        Using the Virgin Mobile system, I use less than $20 for 3 months of service, since paying $20 every three months is the minimum requirement to maintain service, and so long as I do that the money I haven't used acrues, I can also comfortably call into conference calls when necessary.

        Note tha
        • I'm paying about $20 per month [gci.com] for free local calls, 400 minutes long distance anywhere in the U.S. except Alaska, plus dial-up internet and pop3 email. All via landline, all on one bill, all with an absolute minimum of hassle and no commitment. And, I can get my phone from the free box at a garage sale and not worry whether it's compatible.

          My circumstances are probably different than yours. I don't need to be as available as you seem to. I'm at my desk while at work and so my family can easily contac

      • and I want a simple, no-surprises monthly bill that's not too high. Right now, the only way I can get that seems to be via land line.

        When did that happen? Every wired phone service I've ever used had rate plans created by the same crazed hermits that bring you your airline fare and the bill was always a surprise if I made even one long-distance call. It didn't seem particularly low most of the time either.

        Cell phones, on the other had, have these fixed rate plans that often have unlimited calling durin

    • Re:How many of you.. (Score:3, Insightful)

      by dykofone ( 787059 )
      I completely agree with you, and the typical answer is "well just get the bottom line phone, ya know, the one they give away for free with service. All it does is make calls."

      But I don't want necessarily the cheapest, because from my experience it means crap ass signal, horrible color LCD screen, small buttons, and a pain in the ass interface.

      I was extremely excited when Motorola came out with this the i530 [amazon.com]. Built to military spec, simple screen, strong signal. The only problem is they don't have a GSM v

    • I don't want a web browser, organiser, games system, movie camera or LED wave messaging [nokia.com] in my mobile phone, but I do want a digital camera. I won't be texting pictures to people (waste of money) but I'd definitely be taking random pics of stuff during my normal day. What I really want is something like the Nokia 3120 [nokia.ca] except with a camera. Then I could dump the images onto another machine when I got home in the evening via IR or Bluetooth.

      Obviously it will never compete with the quality or features of my re
    • Look on ebay for old phones.
    • My officemate looked at the product photos and said, "Where is the phone?"

      Bet he's not the only one to have that reaction.
    • That last clause proves you're lying. So, has motorola lowered themselves to astoturfing??
    • Try eBay. You should be able to pick up a pretty simple but still recent phone for under $100.
  • Unfortunately, the thing is going to cost around a grand, as has been reported.

    I can't wait for one of the new 9xxx's to ship that's priced around $600. I used to be a Palm lover, but Symbian is really remarkable.

  • Using it as a PHONE (Score:3, Insightful)

    by craigtay ( 638170 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @02:22PM (#10736570) Journal
    I like how one of the last things it mentions anywhere on the page is how to actually use it at a phone. It was buried in the bottom of the FAQ!!

  • GPS? (Score:5, Informative)

    by slashdot.org ( 321932 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @02:23PM (#10736596) Homepage Journal
    Always have to dissapoint me, don't ya? The GPS is an ADD-ON... BFD.

    There are too many devices like this available already. Sure, some of the specs are nice (screen/camera resolution), but again, no mention of the browser supporting JavaScript.
    • The browser supports Flash. I'd be surprised if it didn't support JS. And besides, you can get Opera for Symbian devices [opera.com].

    • Re:GPS? (Score:4, Informative)

      by gmuslera ( 3436 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @03:01PM (#10736993) Homepage Journal
      About Javascript, tried looking at the FAQ [nokia.com]?

      If not was about price, availability, and probably linux compatibility having a cell phone with a good pda, web browser, GPS (and maybe even ebook reader and ssh client) is like a dream. It even have good mp3 player, radio and not so bad camera included. But if it marks a trend, the future looks promising.

    • Re:GPS? (Score:2)

      by dcs ( 42578 )
      Well, does Opera supports JavaScript???

    • Re:GPS? (Score:2, Informative)

      by pasde ( 657790 )
      While the register does mention support for GPS, Nokia's website DOES NOT present such feature.

    • Re:GPS? (Score:3, Informative)

      by Bronz ( 429622 )

      "... but again, no mention of the browser supporting JavaScript."

      Actually, it does mention it supporting Javascript -- it's in the FAQ under "Browsing":

      "1. What kind of browser is provided with the Nokia 7710 smartphone? The browser in the Nokia 7710 smartphone supports HTML 4.01, XHTML, security (SSL 3.0/TLS 1.0), ECMAScript/JavaScript, CSS1 (cascading style sheet), CSS2 audio and video support, Macromedia Flash 6 plug-in, SVG-tiny (Scalable vector graphic) as well as click-to-browse, context-sensitive

    • Check out http://suunto.com They have watches with compass, GPS, Heart rate monitor, altimeter, barometer, .... Now. That's nice and all. But when they add basic phone into it, that's killer.

  • QWERTY (Score:2, Insightful)

    by DeepFried ( 644194 ) *
    I have a Treo 600 and cant imagine trying to "power-use" the device without QWERTY input. Email, IM, URLs, and even the ocasional Terminal via Tussh.
    If I didn't have my usable thumboard I would want to blow my brains out.
    I am open to other input methods. I just haven't seen anything that comes close.
    • There are plenty [nokia.com] of Bluetooth [thinkoutside.com] keyboards [flexis.co.kr] if you get sick of onscreen keyboards or handwriting input.
      • But I want my gear to fit in here! [mooremilitaria.com] It's all about and all-in-one solution for me. And qwerty is much better IMO than handwriting recognition for funky terminal action.
        • The first two keyboards flod down to the same size as a PDA - so they ought to fit in yer pocket.

          Personally I'm quickest and express myself best in longhand, so there's no decent input device for me 8-/
      • But how many Bluetooth keyboards can you use with one hand while standing up, nowhere near a desk?
    • Yep. I just got a Treo600, which replaced my cellphone and my trusty old Palm Vx. At first it was a little weird realizing I'd never "write" on my Palm again, but after several seconds I got over it. The keyboard is better for me, but it is tiny and takes some getting used to.

      Plus, there is little reason to pull out the stylus most of the time (I only use if for old apps that aren't fully navigable under OS 5) and that makes for better usability in my opinion. I looked at the Nokia home page and in the

    • s90 (7710 is a series90 device) has pretty spiffy hand writing recog input system(it's testable in the downloadable sdk's emulator).

      also.. nokia has qwerty devices in the coming.. 9300 [nokia.com] for example is the size of a normal phone from few years past and opens up for a full qwerty(closed it is like a normal phone from couple of years back, 6310 like). they also got the bit bigger 9500, which is like 9300 but with wifi and a camera(9300 doesn't have a camera).

      (and i'm right there with the stylus text input s
  • This phone uses the Series 90 system (the only phone to do so), which has shelved as of yesterday. See this Reuters article:
    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topN ews&storyID=6698762 [reuters.com]

    • If you're an application developer, first consider writing the apps using J2ME. This isn't always possible, I know, but if you can do it in Java then you'll have compatibility across a wide variety of Nokia (and other) devices.

      Eric
      J2ME info here: Eric's J2ME Pages [ericgiguere.com]
  • 1. When and where will the Nokia 7710 widescreen multimedia smartphone be available?

    The Nokia 7710 is estimated to be available in Asia and China in the fourth quarter of 2004 and Europe and Africa in the first quarter of 2005

    • Re:...but not the USA. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Unknown Lamer ( 78415 ) <clintonNO@SPAMunknownlamer.org> on Friday November 05, 2004 @02:37PM (#10736747) Homepage Journal

      Blame the US mobile providers. They don't buy them.

      If you have T-Mobile you can just buy the Asian or European version and it will work (since their network is 100% 1900Mhz). With Cingular you could use that version but you won't be able to use it very many place since most of the network is 850Mhz.

      I got my 7610 from Singapore. It rocks and was well worth the $380.

      • Europe is on GSM and EGSM, which is 900 and 1800 (respectively). America uses 1900. 850 must be relatively new in the bands available because it wasn't an option when I was working on GSM cellular systems. If you want to buy a phone from a foreign market and want to use it in the US, make sure it supports 1900 or is "tri-mode" (900, 1800, and 1900) and you're allowed to "unlock" it (ie, use it with a difference service provider than you originally purchased it for. I know this is the case for Motorola p
  • Is it me, or is that not the most attractively named color scheme araound?

    nice ripped-off aqua UI though.

  • Nokia scheduling lies (Score:2, Interesting)

    by lxdbxr ( 655786 )
    For me, Nokia's scheduling FUD is going to work against them - I was waiting for the 6260 [nokia.com] to become available before upgrading but despite having a release date of Q3 2004 and heavy advertising it is proving impossible to get hold of (on Orange, in the UK). Now instead I will wait for the 7710 but I'm not holding my breath expecting it to come out in Q4 2005 as announced.
  • yet another G4 crap toy they can say is so cool and everyone should have it...blah blah...well at least crap rolls downhill and in about 3 years all phones will be like this...so stick with 'ol reliable and wait!!
  • Nokia Smart Phone Recognizes Handwriting [slashdot.org].

    Getting a bit ridiculous.
  • What?

    No sidetalkin'

    What the hell is this, then?

    • My first thought was the MSTK3 song "Side Hackin'" sung during the riff of the movie "Side Hackers".

      So "No sidetalkin'" can only mean one of two things:
      1) the phone does not have a built-in motorcycle, or
      2) the phone does not have a built-in bad movie

  • I want a phone with Bluetooth, without a Camera, and I don't want an N-Gauge.

    And I want my cellphone provider to sell me the damn thing.
    • Try this...

      Nokia 6310i [nokiausa.com]
    • Try the Sony Ericsson T68i. I purchased one from ebay last year. Its an older phone, but has the "right" feature set for me.

      It has bluetooth, no camera, *very* basic pda features -- calander, phonebook, alarms, color screen (not touch, which i prefer, t9 is great!)

      I'm very happy with it.

      What's more, it's tri-band (eg works in US, europe and most places in the world -- i actually purchased a SIM while in europe and had a "local" number) and it's network unlocked (eg my phone isn't locked to a network prov
  • I'm waiting for a convergence item that does any of it's smashed-together utilities better than a dedicated, single-use device does. Phones that are also cameras and PDA's seem to make each particular activity more annoying than it was before. Maybe it's going to get there some day, but it seems very awkward at the moment. Is it just me?

    • not as awkward as having a batman style toolbelt of cellphone sized accesories... I open my bag and i see my etrex, elph, cellphone, palm, and pocket knife rattling around, and i just day dream of when i will get all that functionality in one...no matter how clunky it is at first, these articles always excite me...

      ok, so the pocketknife [crkt.com] doesn't need to be integrated (in fact its much more fun when its not >:) but, u get the idea

  • A camera, too? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by centauri ( 217890 )
    I was excited to think I could get all that without the bother of a camera (it's a no-no at work), but then I found out it actually does have one. When I wondered why that wasn't mentioned in the headline, I realized that most people just assume all phones come with cameras.
    • That's a pretty good point. I work at a Navy installation and I would not be able to bring a camera-enabled cell phone on the base with me. Considering that I'm moving towards using only a cell phone as my means of sending and receiving calls (dropping the landline at my apartment, for instance) that's a bit of a problem for me.
  • I'm not too familiar with embeded operating systems and I can't tell from the picture and I can't find it on the site. Any one know what it is running? palm, winCE, or some in house nokia thing?
  • Didn't Nokia change the nGage so it no longer required "side-talking"?

    If thats the case, I don't think the statement in the summary is accurate as it does not currently reflect Nokia's product offering.

  • Been using it (Score:5, Informative)

    by Fizzl ( 209397 ) <`ten.lzzif' `ta' `lzzif'> on Friday November 05, 2004 @03:10PM (#10737100) Homepage Journal
    I have been using 7700 and 7710 as long as they have existed in the internal Nokia line. As you can find out of my posting history. I was touting 7700 features to all the world as I loved the features but hated the hardware desing. Nokia finally made the same decision and 7700 was reserved only for internal partner usage. Not another N-Cage sidetalkin' fiasco!

    Now that I have got to use 7710 as my primary phone for a few months and seen the software improve in quality gradually I must say this is my absolute favourite phone/pda ever. You have to account in that I haven't been using any other PDA's all that much. Only some SonyEricsson (P800 et. al.)and generic WinCE products (I'm a contractor).

    What I use it for...
    I kill time on almost 1hr bus rides to work reading slashdot with the Opera web browser.
    I read my emails using SSL encrypted communications with my server. (SSL on top of Exim and uw-imapd, please don't impale me for my servers of choise. I just like them)
    The contacts and calendar functions are pretty flexible too. It's just that I don't manage my time too much. It's handy when it reminds me about appointment which I have synchronized in.
    I don't like the handwriting regognition too much because I have terrible handwriting which I can't decipher myself. The virtual keyboard does the job thou. I could write faster with a real keyboard, but nothing in the VKB itself isn't keeping me from typing faster.
    Sometimes I make phonecalls too!

    I guess that's all. There's a ton of features but even as an 'insider' I haven't touched many of them.

    Anyway, you can consider this post as paid advertisement by Nokia because I am contracted to them ATM.
    Simple the best! (Exactly the same phrase I used to describe P800 when it was still in proto stage)

  • I, for one... (Score:3, Informative)

    by dcs ( 42578 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @03:15PM (#10737164)
    ...can't wait to get my hands on it!

    After a nice experience with 3650 (which is of similar size, btw), I tried to select which cell phone would best fit my needs, and I just couldn't find one. 7610 comes close, but it's sound sucks. Sendo X is a good alternative, but with a VGA camera it's kind of limited (the led flash is nice, though). P900 (and P910) is very nice, but, again limited camera and sound. Same goes for Treo 600 (and 650). Others have too little memory, etc.

    So, what does 7710 brings? Stylus-input. Radio. Stereo sound. Megapixel camera. Enough memory to run Doom (and load my DVD collection... :)). And a display very nice for reading books.

    So, how to dial? I don't know about you, but I have been dialing most of the time through voice or the contacts application on my last three phones, so I don't expect 7710's awkward dialing to trouble me much.

  • I've been a PDA user for about ten years. I bought a Newton 110 right when it came out, later upgraded to a Newton 2000, and then went through a variety of WindowsCE/PocketPC devices.

    I never used these devices as much as I would have liked due primarily to the lack of easy text entry. Handwriting recognition rocks when it works, but is often clumsily corrected. So despite all of the email capabilities these devices offered, I rarely used them for that purpose.

    Enter my Treo 600.. I actually do email on

  • Perfect for me.... (Score:3, Funny)

    by JollyFinn ( 267972 ) on Friday November 05, 2004 @06:21PM (#10738893)
    I want a pda, mostly for calendar, and having electric todo list with me. And MP3 player.
    I do already have a mobile phone, and I certainly don't wan't to carry lots of different devices with me. This is single device that fits in a pocket. So its perfect for me. It does all the things I wan't plus some extra(camera), and it can replace my phone so that I don't have to carry multiple devices with me. Also it has lots of memory and big screen and downloadable developement suit so that I could actually code/port what ever I feel that its lacking, that I really need.

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