Backups to CD-R? 106
Lumpish Scholar asks: "Backups are important, so we should tell our friends and family to buy a bunch of CD-Rs and...what? The operating system most of them are stuck with comes with backup software, but 'Windows Backup Does Not Back Up to CD-R, CD-RW, or DVD-R Devices (this behavior is by design). I've looked in the obvious places, but nothing comes across as better than adequate. There's got to be something that can do full or incremental backups (which in part means keeping track of what's already been backed up), that can back up files bigger than a single CD-R, and that's relatively fast and easy. What have you used to solve this problem, for yourself or others, for Windows or for better operating systems?"
you know (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:you know (Score:2, Informative)
Re:you know (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:you know (Score:4, Insightful)
Didn't work, did it? Explorer is doing all kinds of fancy footwork to make it appear as if you're copying files onto the drive, then burning them, when under the hood you're just copying to a local cache on drive C.
Essentially, their CDR implementation is incomplete, and therefore it would be a pain to implement full backup to it. Add to that file splitting and management, and why not just hold off on that feature until Longhorn.
Re:you know (Score:1)
CD burning in XP is crappy but this shouldn't be that hard to accomplish.
Re:you know (Score:1)
Why One and Not the Other? (Score:2)
But, there is another point, too. MS has long offered backup softwar
For Linux/FreeBSD/etc. (Score:2, Interesting)
I wrote a little shell script to wrap this all into a convenient command, and I'm sure many others have as well.
Re:For Linux/FreeBSD/etc. (Score:2)
Re:For Linux/FreeBSD/etc. (Score:1)
Could be worse (Score:4, Insightful)
If you spring for '.Mac' you get a crappy buggy backup program, however by default the OS has no backup mechanism whatsoever aside from copying files.
Yes OSX is essentially BSD but you can't even simply use tar as it won't store the weird resource fork data from the HFS+ filing system.
About the simplest way to do it is using DiskUtility to make a virtual disk image and copy data into that using ditto, however this is rather longwinded and a simple Apple supported backup utility supplied with the OS would be greatly appreciated.
Re:Could be worse (Score:3, Interesting)
The primary exception seems to be OS 9 stuff.
Re:Could be worse (Score:2)
Re:Could be worse (Score:1, Troll)
Tim
Re:Could be worse (Score:2)
Re:Could be worse (Score:2)
Re:Could be worse (Score:2)
Re:Could be worse (Score:2)
Well, if skinfitz doesn't think ditto (which generates cpio archives with resource forks preserved) counts, then I doubt he or she thinks hfspax and hfstar count either.
Which is reasonable to some degree... you can build backup mechanisms with either, but neither is Backup Software in the sense that normal Mac users are accustomed.
Then again, I cringe at some of the shit that kind of backup software does- backing up a live filesystem? While the user is using it? No thanks.
Re:Could be worse (Score:2)
Re:Could be worse (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Could be worse (Score:2)
Re:Could be worse (Score:2)
Even Better: Compressed Disk Images to iPod (Score:1)
Re:Even Better: Compressed Disk Images to iPod (Score:2)
I have 2Tb to back up.
Nero BackItUp (Score:5, Informative)
partimage = free (Score:1, Informative)
It'll backup across a network or to pretty much whatever you want. Also you can make a boot disk and use it to back up a non-Linux OS.
Keep it simple (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Keep it simple (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Keep it simple (Score:1)
Use Norton Ghost (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Use Norton Ghost (Score:3, Insightful)
Myself, I just rar up My Documents with a recovery file and burn to CD. In fact, I rar up 700 meg sized files if I need to split over cds, and make the thing self extractable. Just put in the first cd and go. I'd use DVD, but after numerous dvd-/+r's, I still sometimes get coasters, I havnt had coasters on CD's in years.
Now for incremental backups, youre looking into costly software. Enough cost, it might be cheaper to pick up a USB HD.
I just w
Re:Use Norton Ghost (Score:5, Informative)
-ao Add files with Archive attribute set
-ac Clear Archive attribute after compression or extraction
In fact, here's the contents of my "incremental" batch file:
rar a -agYYYY-MM-DD -u -ao -ac -as -ep2 -m2 -os -ow -r -ri3 -rr2p -ds -x@IgnoreList_Docs.txt D:\Backups\Weekly\Files_Docs_.rar @BackupList_Docs.txt
I run that once a week, PGP-encrypt the file, burn to CD or DVD, and store off-site. I include an ignore list, and a list of files to backup.
For a "full" backup, I use a batch file with this in it (same as above without the -ao):
rar a -agYYYY-MM-DD -u -ac -as -ep2 -m2 -os -ow -r -ri3 -rr2p -ds -x@IgnoreList_Docs.txt D:\Backups\Weekly\Files_Docs_.rar @BackupList_Docs.txt
If your directories to backup are large, you can use the option -v[k|b|f|m|M] to pick the volume size.
Re:Use Norton Ghost (Score:2)
Re:Use Norton Ghost (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Use Norton Ghost (Score:4, Informative)
You can. It's called another 200GB HDD.
Seriously at USD0.50/GB it's not such a bad idea (compared to tape or other alternatives). Get one of those HDD tray/rack thingies so you can remove/add it easily.
Would be great if cheap SATA hotswappable HDD trays/bays become widely available.
Re:Use Norton Ghost (Score:2)
Uh... tape is usually around USD0.35/GB. It's just that 200G backups take a lot of tapes, not that it's expensive.
Re:Use Norton Ghost (Score:2)
The tapes don't come with tape drives. The tape drives are often expensive (many cost as much as six or more 200GB HDDs). If you're talking about a format where 200GB = a lot of tapes, tape autoloaders are even more expensive.
Price isn't the only cost, AFAIK most of these tape drives are slow - you'd take from 10 to 20 hours (or more) to backup 200GB assuming zero time taken to load and unload tapes. Whereas HDDs are 10x faster. When the time comes to restore from
Re:Use Norton Ghost (Score:2, Interesting)
If you have a network or just a pc and a laptop you can easily backup over the network to any pc.
I back up my system and data partitions only, I keep all my mp3's and images on a third partition and archive those seperately.
Apart from that I have a 1gig thumb drive that I regularly copy my main documents to.
Try Acronis. (Score:4, Insightful)
For full image backups, try Acronis [acronis.com]. Symantec learned customer care from Microsoft, it appears.
With Acronis, you can make a full system drive backup of Windows XP while Windows is running.
Last time I checked, Ghost was VERY quirky.
--
U.S. Gov.: Borrowing [brillig.com] money to kill Iraqis [iraqbodycount.net]. 140 billion borrowed [costofwar.com]. With interest, you pay 200 billion.
Re:Try Acronis. (Score:1)
Quirky? How? I have been using it for a few years now and have had no quirks!
Unlike Acronis, Ghost does reboot into dos if you want to back up the system drive but I wouldn't call that quirky, just cautious.
Acronis is very easy to use. (Score:2)
Acronis works perfectly when making backups from inside Windows XP. I've used it with several different motherboards (about 8 different kinds).
I don't have time to discuss the quirkiness of Ghost. However, the quirkiness was verified by Symantec technical support. I was told that many other people had discussed the same issues. If you know Ghost already, it is probably easy. I found reading the disorganized Ghost manual quite time-consuming. I find Symantec technical support very abusive and ignorant.
Re:Acronis is very easy to use. (Score:1)
Ah, one of those mysteriously undiscussable quirkinesses that usually turn out to be non existant quirkiness that boils down to user quirkiness.
Re:Try Acronis. (Score:2)
JOhn
Re:Try Acronis. (Score:1)
Bash Script (Score:2)
Re:Bash Script (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Dar (Score:2)
2) Try the MS Download site.
3) For windows? I use AVG Anti-Virus [grisoft.com].
Backup to CD-R under Windows (Score:5, Informative)
Perl Script (Score:1)
Now waiting for somebody to make a consumer-level WORM drive designed for constant use- 99% of my data I never change, I suspect it's true for most people (You needed all that space to install [insert product] and the files it creates are < 10MB.. what WORM options are there? I mean, other than two DVD-R drives and a robotic 200-disc changer.. right now it seems much chea
Re:WTF are you talking about ? (Score:1)
Wow, it's almost as if you read what I wrote and understood it just enough to paraphrase it.
Handy Backup (Score:2)
I set it up for some friends and it's worked well. Scheduling, automatic backups, backups to just about anything (CD/DVD/FTP/filesystem location), multivolume backups. Cheap, too.
When It Comes To Your Parents, Trust Walt (Score:2, Informative)
Re:When It Comes To Your Parents, Trust Walt (Score:1)
For these things I
Re:People still use CDR? (Score:1)
Re:People still use CDR? (Score:1)
Second Copy (Score:3, Informative)
It's affordable at $29.95 for one user, with bulk pricing for multiuser environments.
It's easy to use, will backup or synchronize files or directories, and works well over a network. And yes, it will back up to CDR. Right now we use it to backup and or sync five systems. Run it once daily and Bob's Yer Uncle.
Re:Second Copy (Score:2)
I don't like Bob.
I don't want him as my Uncle.
Can we negotiate that part?
Retrospect Express (Score:3, Informative)
Burns to CDR, fast, super-easy to use, and has some excellent scheduling features.
Re:Retrospect Express (Score:3, Informative)
Check their hardware compatibility list before you buy it. It can be picky about backup hardware. It uses CD/DVD features that are not always implemented fully or properly on some drives.
DFIncBackup (Score:3, Informative)
Retrospect (Score:2)
Faster better cheaper (Score:2)
Done.
simple, non-incremental stuff (Score:2)
As for the backup itself, I just used tar, piped the compressed version straight into cdrecord, using stdin and a huge buffer.
Re:simple, non-incremental stuff (Score:3, Insightful)
if you have a few PCs... (Score:1, Interesting)
I run several PCs, older ones of which were basically free because they use cast-off hardware from when I upgraded my main PC.
Then, HD space is about the cheapest backup you can get. I use rdist to sync things between several PCs, which act as mutual live backups to each other.
It generally works very well: the chance if all HDs failing at once is really small. On the other hand, you do also have disadvantages compared to CD
Carbon Copy Cloner for OS X (Score:2)
I use Carbon Copy Cloner [bombich.com] on my PowerBook to mirror my entire hard drive to an external 60 GB USB 2.0 hard drive. CCC is supposed to make external drives bootable as well, but I've had trouble getting it to do that.
It's not the ideal solution, since it obviously means that if any data on my PowerBook's HD gets corrupted, I'll just be cloning over that corruption. I'm probably going to start doing separate backups to CD-R and/or CD-RW to ensure additional data integrity. But I do like the simplicity of h
All i have to say is.... (Score:1)
Uh, backup software? (Score:2)
On the Mac there's Retrospect among others. Toast will also do incremental backups to CD. Also, it's not hard to do a search for all documents modified after some date and back them up if you really want to do it that way. On the Mac, it'd be pretty easy to encapsulate in an AppleScript, although I realize it's not everyone
Re:Uh, backup software? (Score:2)
Retrospect is also on the PC. I assume that EZ CD Creator (also by Adaptec (just as with Toast)) will do incremental backups. If not, other CD software (such as Nero) will.
I have found Unix backups to usually use the same things as Amanda: tar and/or dump.
I think the poster was just trolling for some free/cheap suggestions & I think he's been give a few.
WSH and Easy CD Creator (Score:1)
It finally takes an sha1 of the job lot, and I then fire up Easy CD Creator and burn the lot to CD, finally verifying the sha1 sum.
I've been thinking about getting a few USB 2 external hard drive enclosures and using them.
But for the moment I have plenty
I want bare-metal restore (Score:2)
Enter some basic info
Confirm full restore
Swap disks as needed
Reboot
None of this: install XP, then SP1, then drivers for your video card, then IE 6.1.666, then your backup/restore sw, then restore overwriting the Registry, reboot, blue screen, reboot in safe mode, reboot again, done.
I just moved an XP install from 1 disk to another using this hideous, kludgy method.
Acronis TrueImage saves my butt regularly (Score:3, Informative)
The principle behind it is that it backs up entire partitions so that they can be reconstituted bit-for-bit as they were when the backup was made. Since version 7, there has been an option to do incremental backups. The compression ratio is wonderful. I have a 2GB partition with Windows XP and all the Windows programs that I use, and the image file that TrueImage makes of it fits on a 700MB CD! What's more, you can burn a recovery CD that boots directly (TrueImage is based on Linux) and has full backup/restore functionality. Oh, and in Windows you can "mount" the backed-up partition images so that they appear as a read-only drive with its own letter--in case you just need to recover a couple of files from a backup and not the whole thing. Really, I don't know what they'll do for 8.0, because I think 7.0 is just about the perfect backup program, and it's so easy that even a lazy guy like me has developed good habits about backups.
Not sure (Score:1)
I use knoppix and dd (Score:5, Informative)
Assuming you want to backup first ata hdd on target system.
Boot Knoppix on system to be backed up-
Use:
knoppix 2 noswap
or
knoppix noswap
(latter if you have enough ram + cpu and you still want to browse the web etc whilst backing up
Then mount the drive/share you want to put the backups to.
e.g. mount -t smbfs -o username=blah
or mount
mkdir
dd if=/dev/hda bs=131072 | lzop -c | split -b 650m -
This creates files that are 650MB in size. You can burn these to CD-Rs. I prefer to leave a bit of unused space at the CD-R's edge (some seem to peel off there).
Note: that there are reports that dd in linux in some cases doesn't copy the last byte.
Also you may have to manually turn on DMA access on the HDD using hdparm, for speed.
To restore you do a similar thing - boot knoppix.
then mount the restore drive/fileserver (readonly if paranoid).
Then:
cat
I'm not 100% sure of the command-line parameters. But that's the general principle. I have successfully backed up and restored a number of images this way.
I use lzop because it is faster than gzip - with lzop I can get an average of 30MB/sec with an Athlon 2000XP - not far from max HDD transfer rate, for not much worse compression ratio. gzip is 2 to 3 times slower. Unfortunately lzop seems to be giving me an error in Knoppix 3.6 when I try to decompress. I'm mainly using Knoppix 3.3 though.
Don't forget: CD-Rs can be flaky backup media. Assuming a 40GB HDD compresses to 15-20GB, you'll need about 25 CD-Rs. If any of these don't work you can't restore successfully. So you may need to double the number for redundancy. That is a lot of trouble.
I actually suggest buying a few spare big HDDs and backup to them.
Per GB they're not much more expensive than CD-Rs.
100-200GB drives are about twice the price per GB compared to CD-Rs, and probably less flaky, problematic and troublesome for long term storage (plus take up less space than 150-300 CD-Rs). Just don't drop them and keep them in a safe dry + cool place (packed with dehumidifiers), e.g. data-grade fireproof safe. Buy multiple different brands of HDDs if you're paranoid.
Re:I use knoppix and dd (Score:2, Funny)
My bet is most of them are quivering in the corner with a blanket calling for mommy after reading that.
Re:I use knoppix and dd (Score:2)
Hehe. Point taken.
BUT, my bet is most of them won't even notice my post flash past their screen
But for some reason same users are able to open messages containing worm infested encrypted zipfiles, enter the relevant passwords (included in message), and successf
We use Snapshot EFB (Score:1)
It does backup based on md5 checksums, backing up only what has really changed.
We even use it to do internet backup [procolix.com] (sorry, it's Dutch).
Anyone tried Peter's Backup? (Score:2, Interesting)
Network backup (Score:2)
simplebackup (Score:1)
It allows you to backup certain directories, ignore others, archive incrementally, differentially or completely in any one of a number of formats (zip, tar.gz, tar, rar of the top of my head). It also has volume spanning.
Downside - you do have to edit a text config file (so it's not for you average windows user), but it's fairly trivial to set up a few batch files ("back up my pictures now!", "ba
what i do (secure 4 GB disks, backed up to DVD) (Score:2, Informative)
I use a secure disk program ( Bestcrypt [jetico.com], for Windows and Linux) to create mountable, secured virtual drives. I make each disk just under the limit for the burnable media, I bought a DVD burner, and given the limits of the DVD format the largest single file is 3.99 GB. I have two main virtual disks I use, one I mount every time I use the system (for desktop, email, favorites, etc.), the other is for things I use f
Doing it with shell scripts (Score:2, Informative)
Eternal archival system (Score:1)
Backups to DVD/CD (Score:1)
XXCOPY (Score:1)
Incredibly versatile tool. For my system backup I just use XXCOPY to clone my whole 'doze drive onto a spare HD loaded in a removable drive tray. When done, I have a complete, bootable backup sitting on the shelf for the next all-too-frequent catastrophe.
Oh yah, and it's free.
GHOST (Score:1)
backup entire disk/partitions to bootable cd's or dvd's that are a breeze to restore.
External Harddrive (Score:2, Informative)
Sure it's more expensive than CD-Rs, but you get a ton more storage, and a heck of a lot faster (not to mention the added space if you want it), and you can get some great deals (I got an enclosure and 120GB for $90) on USB2 or firewire external drives from http://www.pricewatch.com/ [pricewatch.com] (just be sure you are buying the combo and not just an enclosure).
With