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Posted by CmdrTaco from the still-waiting-for-x-ray-specs dept.
jed101 writes "I just stumbled upon this news release by Sharp introducing a 3D monitor that doesn't require special glasses. The technology was devised for high end medical instuments and such but this could be the gamers new dream toy."
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  • 3-D eh? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Agent Green ( 231202 ) * on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:11PM (#9931892)
    How is this going to work with my one good eye?

    • Obligatory Futurama reference ... (Score:4, Funny)

      by Strong Arm Coat ( 764456 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:13PM (#9931936)
      Leela: "Hold still: I don't have good depth perception!"

      • Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... (Score:5, Funny)

        by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:18PM (#9931990) Journal
        Fry and Leela see the 3D Movie on the robot planet.

        Fry: The 3D is amazing..

        Leela shifts the glasses over her eye from red to blue and back again..

        Leela: Mine's not working

        • Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... (Score:5, Interesting)

          by mskfisher ( 22425 ) * on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:44PM (#9932342) Homepage Journal
          Funny, yes, but true for me. I was cross-eyed at birth, and in the course of my surgeries, I lost stereoscopic vision. I have vision in both of my eyes, but it isn't in 3d. All of my 3D vision is from learned depth cues and unconscious motions.
          The upside, of course, is that Doom, Half-Life, and any other FPS is more fun for me.

          Holograms are effectively 3d for me - I can see the change when I move my head. But the Magic Eye posters and anything with red-blue glasses doesn't work at all.

          So I always keep a watch out for these 3D monitors and any new 3D tech to see if it'll work for me - I'd love to see something that actually did change depending on what angle you viewed it.
          It doesn't look like this one will do the trick - it still depends on stereoscopic effects.

          Oh - neat party trick I gained from this, though, is that I can change my dominant eye at will. Quite fun - and useful, since I'm nearsighted in only one eye.

          • Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... (Score:5, Funny)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:59PM (#9932482)
            Oh - neat party trick I gained from this, though, is that I can change my dominant eye at will.


            Sounds like your parties are a real blast!

          • What do you mean, "you can change your dominant eye at will"...

            Are you saying you can move your eyes independently of each other?

            I always wanted to be able to do that...

            • Re:Obligatory Futurama reference ... (Score:5, Interesting)

              by peculiarmethod ( 301094 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @02:33PM (#9932831) Journal
              nope. he means he can change his brains focus between the two eyes. camera 1, camera 2. i can do the same thing, and i also have one near sighted eye. interestingly enough, i also see differnt hues of colors between the two eyes, so when i pick a different eye to focus on, i get slightly redder purples, or greener blues, etc. strange how cones and rods work.

              pm
              • I get the slightly different color effect too. Mine are red-left, and green-right (very slight tinting for either eye). I also have developed the skills to switch which eye is dominant at the moment but I never use it (both my eyes see clearly equally well). I always notice it when my brain auto-switches the dominant eye though, everything will either red or green shift :D

                Learn something every day :)

                -Jesse
            • No its just that your vision generally has one ey the is dominant. Try putting your finger infront of you, close one eye. Your view of your finger may move significantly, or the blurry second finger may just go away. The eye that doesn't see the finger move is your dominant eye, and the other one is less dominant and is more there for depth perception.
          • What would you say to a game of Tennis?

            Sorry, I couldn't help it. One of my old friends had something similar and had a helluva time figuring out where the ball was.
            • I'm in an almost identical situation to the person you responded too. Almost any game invloving hurtling spheroids is a nightmare. Through school I thought my name what "Whiff". I always find it fascinating when I get a glimpse of binocular 3-d. There is a painting by Constance Troyon at the Art Institute of Chicago which manages to do it, and I am hypnotized by the painting every time I see it (you can see it here [artic.edu], it's called the Marsh..)
          • I was born cross-eyed as well. From what my eye doctor told me when I was younger, my brain supposedly stopped using one of my eyes to avoid seeing double vision, and since then the eye has gone to 20/300 due to non-use. So yeah, those red-blue 3D things do nothing for me. It's also why I was never great at games like tennis or baseball (and now, unfortunately, golf, since I lose eye contact with the ball during my swing). But same as you, my brain has gotten better at calculating depth perception, so g
            • I have the same probelm, though not as severe. Myleft is massivelly dommiant, but I still only need slight corrective glasses.

              What's really cool though is my periphial vision is awesome. if something moves(even shades of black) I react to it. I have learned to let my body react to certian stimuli.

              Example, I was at the driving range the other day. I am still new so I was slowing my swing down to gain practice. I Sliced the golf Ball nearly 85 degrees It bounced off of a wooden post arced up and over w

    • Re:3-D eh? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Kenja ( 541830 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:17PM (#9931985)
      "How is this going to work with my one good eye?"

      Well, you move your head from side to side sixty times a second to see the 3D image.

    • Re:3-D eh? (Score:2, Interesting)

      by scherbi ( 21342 )
      Seriously, I *have* only one functional eye. The brain uses, IIRC, about 6 different methods to sense 3-D, and only about half of them require two eyes. Having lost vision in my left eye at the age of ten,I believe my brain did some significant compensation to rely on the available methods. This system will not work for me, as it uses only one of the methods, one that requires two eyes.

      Could a display be developed that exploited only non-two-eye-3d-perception methods?

  • Notebook Version (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Klar ( 522420 ) * <curchin.gmail@com> on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:11PM (#9931899) Homepage Journal
    Is this the same technology that has been around on Sharp 3D Notebook [sharp-world.com] LCD's since last year and just brought to the desktop market, or are there any hardware advances?

    • Re:Notebook Version (Score:2, Informative)

      by chaosmage42 ( 716255 ) *
      i believe this is the same. the difference is that sharp didnt build the whole computer, this has to work off your videocard, be compatible with your system.

    • Re:Notebook Version (Score:5, Interesting)

      by DarthStrydre ( 685032 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:19PM (#9932019)
      While I have not seen one of these monitors operational, it sounds like the technology is something thats been around for quite awhile, albeit in cheap children's toys and advertisements. The toy images are non-holographic where there is what looks like a linear fresnel lens adhered to a specially printed paper. These are able to give multiple images if you move your head, and some are intended to simulate 3D, depending on the shape of the lensing and printing on the paper.

      If this is the case, then the sweet spot for these monitors may be quite limited to a certain distance, and angle, but this does not limit the coolness factor.

      This is just conjecture, however, based on their claim of using parallax.

      • Re:Notebook Version (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Stripe7 ( 571267 )
        I have the DTI3D-2018XLQ monitor. It works by creating zones of view. You keep your head placed so that each eye is in a different zone. As a result you see a different image with each eye and get a 3D effect. You cannot read fine text id 3D mode. The only game I had where I could read the text was the Star Wars Racer game. First time I played Never Winter Nights with the monitor I got killed by fire giants in a forest glade because I was too busy admiring the view.
        this is a link to how the technology wor

      • Re:Notebook Version (Score:3, Informative)

        by chrispl ( 189217 )
        I have seen the new screens and the Sharp 3D laptop last year. The new ones seem to improve the 3D effect by having the parallax lenses arranged in a "Chessboard" configuration over each pixel instead of just vertical lines. The 3D effect is undeniably striking but still kind of fuzzy. It is a little like viewing the image through a screen door. The "sweet spot" seems a bit better but is still small.

        On another note when are we going to stop hearing about these 3D screens like they are new? This is the 3rd

    • Re:Notebook Version (Score:5, Informative)

      by feyhunde ( 700477 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:22PM (#9932063)

      Yep. And it is crap.

      I used one and you must keep you head at a very certain position from the screen for it to work. Not to mention the stereo drivers for the Nvidia 6800 don't work with it. Or that the frame rate takes a hit in 3-D mode.

      Want a real one? Planar Systems has a stereo system that does require polarized glasses, but works despite moving your head and at full speed. They have a machine at Siggraph playing UT 2004 right now. You read more at

      http://www.planar.com/Advantages/Technology/index. html [planar.com]

      • Planar Systems has a stereo system... You read more at http://www.planar.com/Advantages/Technology/index. html

        Sounds nice but the link goes to a page touting their tech but which has no reference to 3D displays!
        Grr, mumble, mumble...
        Anybody got a more useful link?

      • 'full speed'? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by MarcoAtWork ( 28889 )
        hmmmm, I fail to see how this could run at 'full speed' given that for every 3d technology (save volumetric displays obv) you need to compute twice as many scenes (left eye & right eye independently) in order to be able to display things correctly, which will end up possibly halving your framerate... although, given that UT2004 is much more CPU limited than video-limited, maybe in this particular case the performance hit is much less than that.

        • Re:'full speed'? (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward
          By full speed I meant the display speed rather then system performance. Most 3D displays are like Sharp's and end up having the frame rate than can be shown halved when it switchs to 3D do to display requirements. Not the power to drive it, but the actual speed at which the LCD and react gets halved, sending games to 30 Hz in many cases. Shutter glasses do that, and you need to have insane frame rates to keep them normal. Most of these display sacfrice frame rate to get the pseudo 3-D.

          As for Planar's syst

  • Gamers? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Gr33nNight ( 679837 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:12PM (#9931914)
    Gamers, what about reviewers of *ahem* adult entertainment material?

    • Re:Gamers? (Score:5, Funny)

      by ad0gg ( 594412 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:20PM (#9932029)
      As long as its female only porn. None of this mixed stuff. Its bad enough trying to ignore men in 2D, I sure as hell don't want to see a large penis flying towards me.

      • Re:Gamers? (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Ralph Wiggam ( 22354 )
        Several years ago at the Northwestern they showed a 70s porno film in 3D. I think it starred John Holmes. I showed up to see it, but so did a thousand other people at a 500 seat lecture hall.

        Can they convert the old red/blue 3D films into this new technology?

        -B
      • Your obviously ignoring 50% of the population. While I would say most women aren't big on porn, those that are... lets just say some of them might like their porn big ;)

      • Re:Gamers? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by pclminion ( 145572 )
        Wow dude, are you really so insecure about your sexuality that you can't stand seeing male actors in porn?
      • I sure as hell don't want to see a large penis flying towards me.
        Why is that? Are you afraid that if you see a big erect penis right by your face you will be tempted to suck it???
    • The next Leisure Suit Larry [gamespot.com] game is going to be in 3D.
    • Well I used to work in the stereoscopic 3D hardware arena and about 75% of the stuff out there is/was for "adult" stuff (cause there's nothing more adult then searching around for the klenex while wearing a 3D headset). Lets just say that 2D porn is tacky enough, the low quality 3D stuff out three will put you off sex for weeks (my GF at the time was allways pissed after I would return from adultdex).

  • Any pictures of it? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Conspiracy_Of_Doves ( 236787 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:12PM (#9931917)
    I want to see the 3D in action.
  • How does this compare to exsisting autostereographic monitors? Is producing the devise cheaply the hurdle or is it software that will push it?

  • Just like any innovative technology (Score:4, Insightful)

    by doombob ( 717921 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:13PM (#9931928) Homepage
    The first thing it will be used for is the pornography industry.
  • This isn't anything new. It's been around for quite awhile in fact, being made by the X3D coporation [x3d.com].

  • It's about time!! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:13PM (#9931933)
    The world has been deprived of 3d goatse for too long.
  • I thought at first I'd need the 3D monitor to view the article correctly. In Firebird the text is all down the right side, like a margin.

    That aside. It would have been nice to see even a 2D picture of this monitor at work.

    I suppose Id will have to release a special Doom 3D for those with l33t enough bank balances to afford one. Talk about getting into the game...

  • Nice . . but no. (Score:5, Informative)

    by OverlordQ ( 264228 ) * on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:13PM (#9931939) Journal
    . . . but this could be the gamers new dream toy.

    I think you mean wet dream [sharpsystems.com]. But hey, if you wanna drop $1500 on a LCD (yay dead pixels) monitor so you can 'be better at video games', kudos to you.

    Oh btw, it has a 25ms response time, not quite high-end gaming material.

    • Not to mention 25ms response time (thats equal to 40Hz refresh, or 40 fps max)
      Its like having mouse trails enabled in windows, only its permanently enabled in hardware, and for everything that moves, not just the mouse!

  • Article short on detail... spec sheet here (Score:5, Informative)

    by Dave21212 ( 256924 ) <dav@spamcop.net> on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:14PM (#9931940) Homepage Journal

    The article was a bit short on detail... the spec sheet is here [inition.co.uk] (thanks Google)

    It's 15", 1024x768

  • Good news for the adult industry (Score:3, Funny)

    by Amberlock ( 27439 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:14PM (#9931948) Homepage
    Talk about really getting into the game. Some people already have enough problems with reality.
  • $1499 street price for a 15"....on that note I'll take 2 or 3. I know new tech is more expensive but how many units can you realistically expect to sell at that price?

    I'm thinking it could cause some sort of "brain fart" and Sharp will be sued out of existence.

    What would be really cool is if they bundled this with the tooth shaped keyboard from one of yesterday's stories. Better yet throw the Phantom console into the bundle to make it triple-craptastic:)
    • except the #D monitor and the tooth keyboard actually exist
    • but how many units can you realistically expect to sell at that price?

      My guess is they'll sell out of the initial run of a few thousand units very quickly. Then they'll lower the price for the next run.

      It's called "economics." There's a side called supply, and a side called demand. If the demand at a certain price level -- say, $1499 -- is high enough to sell a significant amount of the supply, you'd be a fool to price it any cheaper. If the demand is insufficient, well you can always lower the price

  • as demoed (Score:3, Informative)

    by andr0meda ( 167375 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:15PM (#9931965) Journal

    on Siggraph2003 [stereographics.com], and here [pluginz.com]

  • How would this play with the Looking Glass project?

    Could the restoring panes come flying out at the user?

    Would it help with depth of image recognition?

    Sun might wanna call up Sharp...

  • What a day! (Score:4, Funny)

    by knix ( 555545 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:15PM (#9931968) Journal
    First you can order your 3D keyboard, and now you can buy a 3D monitor. Along with the instructions on how to make a 3D mouse that were posted a few weeks ago, you could have a pretty interesting setup. All you might need is some sort of 3D printer, like one of those prototyping machines.
    • First you can order your 3D keyboard, and now you can buy a 3D monitor. Along with the instructions on how to make a 3D mouse that were posted a few weeks ago, you could have a pretty interesting setup. All you might need is some sort of 3D printer, like one of those prototyping machines.

      Wow, this "3D" stuff is really catching on. Next thing you know, they'll be making "3D" toothbrushes and maybe even vehicles! I just hope they don't go to far.
    • I have all of those things... in fact, all of my physical posessions exist in 3D... my keyboard, mouse, and monitor already have height, depth, and width... I don't understand what all the kerfufle is about.

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:18PM (#9931989)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • when you use this 3-D monitor to view 3-D representations of web statistics? Do you dive into a Hawking Hole?
  • Now all we need is Ben Affleck to reverse engineer this and create a better display, without the monitor.

    AFLACK! AFLACK!

  • Doom3 (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    A new mod for Doom3 utilizing this monitor will enable you to see total darkness in 3D!

  • Would've been nice to link to... (Score:5, Informative)

    by GillBates0 ( 664202 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:22PM (#9932061) Homepage Journal
    the numerous articles on 3D displays that have made it to /. over the past few months (including Sharp's 3D laptop):

    More 3D displays to come [slashdot.org]
    Future of Visual Gadgets Rolled Out [slashdot.org]
    PC Magazine Reviews Sharp's 3D Notebook [slashdot.org]
    Sharp to Sell 3D laptop for $3299 [slashdot.org]

    and many more right here. [slashdot.org]

  • Maybe, maybe, maybe... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:24PM (#9932082) Journal
    ATi will get off their asses and add stereoscopic rendering to their drivers. Until then, this is useless to ATi owners, since as far as I can tell it relies on left and right framebuffers, like the shutter glasses do.

    There's been quite a bit of griping on rage3d.com over this issue, and ATi's unwillingness to do anything about it.

    Gaming would be hit or miss, some games look awesome with the glasses, some dont. Graphics hacks which look great on a 2D monitor look lame in 3D.

    Picture a driving game, where roadside signs fly past you.. Rather than properly rendering them in 3D, they're just sprites that expand as they're "closer". Rendered in real 3D, they look like some screwed up floating box that expands and shrinks..

    Basically, for the game to look right, everything has to be rendered in 3D. Which is less of a problem these days, with the power that's in the average PC.
    • Picture a driving game, where roadside signs fly past you.. Rather than properly rendering them in 3D, they're just sprites that expand as they're "closer". Rendered in real 3D, they look like some screwed up floating box that expands and shrinks..

      This would depend entirely on how the sprite display was programmed. If it went through a transform to expand and skew properly (Strictly a 2D transform) there would be little or no difference in a 2D vs. 3D dislplay. Granted this takes more work than a simple

  • Screw (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Apreche ( 239272 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:24PM (#9932087) Homepage Journal
    3d monitor? big whoop. Wont be useful for me.

    What I want to see is a 3d hologram platform/table. That would revolutionize display technology forever. We could play Star Wars chess. We could watch sporting events like baseball, hockey and football while really seeing the entire field. And think of the video games you could play on it... oh yeah.

    Also cool would be a display that shows a different picture depending on the angle of viewing. With just one television in the room you can have one person watching a dvd, another playing a video game and yet another channel surfing. Depending on where you are in relation to the screen in the room changes what you see, and everyone gets their own remote. Far superior to buying multiple displays.

    A 3d display like this one really isn't that revolutionary or useful for me.
    • There is a company in Massachusetts (that's Mass a chu setts, not Mass uh two setts) that are already making them.

      Currently, they exist within a sphere.

      At the Wired NextFest, there was a flat surface with a cityscape floating in 3d on top of it.

      So you don't want a 3d monitor but you want a 3d table?

      Put the monitor horizontally and place a sheet of glass over it.

      Looks like a 3d monitor just may be of use to you after all.
    • What I want to see is a 3d hologram platform/table.

      Why bother making a physical image when you can just inject visual data directly into the brain? I wager we'll figure out how to do that before we figure out how to make a true 3D projection.

  • FYI only works with stereoscopic software (Score:5, Informative)

    by musikit ( 716987 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @01:25PM (#9932112)

    from the PDF spec:
    If your software supports stereoscopic viewing with 3D glasses, then it will
    probably work with the LL-151-3D monitor. This is because the graphics cards
    manufacturers who support stereo with glasses have updated their drivers to
    support the Sharp 3D display technology. To ensure the most up to date
    compatibility, check www.sharp3d.com for the most up to date list of graphics
    cards and driver software supporting the LL-151-3D monitor.
    Note that the LL-151-3D monitor will only display 3D images when the
    software is written to create stereoscopic display output. The LL-151-3D
    display will not automatically convert standard graphics output to stereoscopic
    output.
    Also stereoscopic viewing is only supported at a resolution of 1024x768. 3D
    visualization will not work correctly if the display resolution is set to any other
    value.
  • the wonders of 3d [sharp-world.com]

    then theres some details [sharp-world.com] on the technology.
  • I'm waiting for the first 4-D monitor!

    Then I can see how this DOOM level is going to end before I spend all that time playing it.
  • Dimension 1, X: check
    Dimension 2, Y: check
    Dimension 3, Z: nope
    Dimension 4, T(ime): check (monitors are not static)

    1+1+0+1 = 3.

  • WTH! (Score:2)

    by GoMMiX ( 748510 )
    Only a 15" available!?

    Hey, when I'm surfing my pr0n in 3D I want to see BIGuns'!
  • I need a brief education on the latest 3D technology.

    One of the biggest personal complaints I have about 3D is the images. They hurt my eyes because I never seem to properly focus on the images. Things seemed doubled up and/or blurry. There is a 3D muppet ride in orlando (I forget if its MGM or Epcot), the star trek experience "The borg attack" in vegas, and the terminator ride at universal studios. Those and that Spy Kids 3D movie. All of these never look like I have things properly focused.

    BTW, I h

    • Re:3D hurts my eyes (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Jacer ( 574383 )
      If you're having a problem view 3D images, you could be stereoblind. It's very rare to have it, and most people don't realize they do because stereoblindness doesn't affect things like image perception, nor is it useful at 100+ feet. It's typically only caused by infantile strabismus. If you're that interested, tell your optomotrist to check you for it next time you go in. They quit checking it routinely because there isn't anything they can do about it. Sorry, I was a Psychology major and was really i
  • It seems the funky computer display they show at the beginning of the movie, Paycheck (with Ben Afleck) isn't too far off then?
  • Why isn't anybody pursuing 3D helmets anymore. Way back in 1994 when companies like 3DMaxx started building first consumer level VR helmets I had high hopes for the technology. Having had a chance to try a very high end VR helmet (>$15,000USD in 1994) I was very excited about the future of VR. Alas, a decade later everyone seems to have pretty much given up on the VR helmet idea. To me however, the potential of a helmet (especially in the entertainment space) is soo much greater than any 3D display unles
  • When centered in front of the display, each eye receives the correct visual information for the brain to process.

    We have to sit rigidly in front of the monitor's centerline? That sounds like it would be fun for about 10 minutes.

  • 3D Phbbt. I have a 4D (Score:3, Funny)

    by gosand ( 234100 ) on Tuesday August 10, 2004 @02:31PM (#9932811)
    I had a 4D monitor once. Or I will have.

    .
    (wait for it...)

  • Screen shots?

    Har har har....

    Ok.. Now, back to Cubeland...

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