An anonymous reader asks I am thinking about setting up a local "community" network over WiFi minus internet connection. In other words, I would like to run a small server isolated from the web as an experiment in small scale networks (e.g., serving a café-heavy one-block radius.)
I have plenty of clever ideas -- discussion/gripe boards, weird artistic projects -- anything to bring back the old-school BBS memories where online users were drawn from a single geographic location. But everything I've learned so far is how to act as a small node on someone else's network. How can I make my own -- and make it wireless?
Google doesn't pull much up that I can find: it is mostly targeted towards those building a (free or profit) Internet access point." (Read on for more.)
" Does anybody have sources of information for how to learn about setting up the network I have in mind? Basic tutorials and those covering more advanced issues such as security would be very helpful. Finally, is there anyone out there with real world experience? Beyond imparting technical help, do you have suggestions for implementation? What worked, and what didn't? Did the lack of internet access make the project unpopular? (And if you did provide internet access as a teaser, how did you handle liability and financial issues?)"
(This reminds me of the Community Memory Project; can anyone point to some modern equivalents?)
It's an "intranet" (Score:5, Informative)
Once there, your DNS universe is gonna be a bit funny. You should map all
From there, you just assign your own server names to whatever have to offer, and serve it using standard Internet technologies for web content.
I think your problem is that you're not searching on the right term on Google. What you want to do is called an "intranet"... and it's really nothing more than setting up Internet-designed IP-based stuff and forgetting to add the link to the outside world.
Now, how you're gonna promote such a thing... well, that's up to you.
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:3, Insightful)
There might be a technical detail I'm missing here, but is it strictly necessary to assign private IP addresses? I know it would be prudent, but not really a must, unless I'm missing something.
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:3, Informative)
It's necessary...unless you're perfect. :)
As a side benifit, software and embedded devices are usually configured by default to handle all private addresses (not just 10.x.x.x) differently. If you use public addresses, these settings might need to be changed...adding another layer of something to get wrong.
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:4, Informative)
However, if someone decides in a few days/weeks/months/years that they want something to connect to the Internet, then the addresses would have to change.
Why do the same work twice?
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:2)
The question was, 'is it strictly necessary to assign private IP addresses?'
If, for example, they decided to use 66.35.250.150 (slashdot.org) for an internal address, it would work fine, but if they had to connect to the Internet they would have to change it. Even if they were using NAT, it's a good idea to change it.
The first reason that comes to mind is logging. I'm sure there are others.
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:2)
I use 192.168.x.x you insensitive clod!
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:2)
How does the this router know that the number is smaller than 16 without looking at the other bits and making sure they aren't all zero?
What about:
0000 0000 0001 1010
and the other 2^12 combinations that just so happen to have the last 4 binary bits in common with the number
0000 0000 0000 1010
?
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:2)
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:2)
Do not assume that you users only have one network connection.
Please!
So... yeah... you really should be nice and use a private numbering scheme so that you don't mess up their *other* connections.
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:4, Interesting)
The interesting thing to do would be to setup a local
It would also scale if the network is ever connected to the Internet, and external intenet users could even access the sites by changing their DNS settings.. perhaps even extending to local ISPs picking up this network and offering it as a local service, only when you're connected through them.
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:2)
How about a Java BBS with select logins? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:How about a Java BBS with select logins? (Score:4, Interesting)
Better yet, why not just run a real, modern 32bit BBS? [synchro.net] There are both *nix and windows versions and it's opensource ;) Plus, it uses the mozilla team's javascript engine, so you can write your own modules to extend the functionality quickly (the IRC service included with synchronet is written in javascript). I'm currently writing a new command shell for my BBS using JS. And of course, Synchronet runs nearly all of the old 16bit DOS doors (easier to achieve on Windows but not impossible on *nix using a dos emulator). I run LORD, Trade Wars, Clans, and other older games on my BBS that are (interestingly) still popular (over 150 user accounts and climbing - not bad for a new BBS started a year ago in the post-BBS era!)
Content threshold (Score:5, Interesting)
So first off, you have to assume that anything you have will leak off to the larger network. That doesn't mean that all is lost, you just have to make sure that your content is compelling enough to grab people and make them connect up, post, and participate.
I would suggest a MUD as a possible hook to grab people. They're fun, they're community based by nature, and they're addictive. Or something like TradeWars 2002, etc... Back in the BBS days people would log in all the time to play the games, and then once they were on they'd also post messages, exchange files, and communicate.
I would also suggest having informal get-togethers every once in a while. In Ithaca, NY we used to have "geekfests" every month where you could meet and greet people from the BBS community, people would bring their computers and game or show off their latest programming projects, etc... That really anchored the community aspect. Lately Fark has been doing something similar, having parties for FARK users in various cities, and then the photos and some highlights get posted back to the main site. While I don't participate extensively in FARK, it seems like that is building some sense of real community there.
In essence, if you have enough content to hook people, and you facilitate the initial socialization period, you can build a community that will endure.
TW2002 might work... (Score:2)
But TW has a relatively high barrier to entry, and requires daily interaction. Might be a nice side-show for a few people on the network, but certainly shouldn't be the main "bait" - nor should a MUD.
KISS - bulliten board, chat area. That's going to be the core of anything community (of the geographic sort) based.
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:5, Informative)
nah, DNS won't be a problem at all! it's simple. Your DHCP server never assigns a default gateway, so none of the machines on the network have an entry in their routing table to get out. They'll query the only DNS server available, and immediately find they can't reach that website, and give the "destination unreachable" message.
Now, if you do want to redirect everyone to a webpage that explains what you're about, take a look at NoCatAuth. It can do exactly this.
Re:It's an "intranet" (Score:2)
Proxy server (Score:3, Interesting)
Consider the size of internet, is there a point? (Score:4, Informative)
I has bbs at the time, when internet was quite expensive back home, and it was doing ok mainly because lack of option.
Today, www is hugee, you don't have to restrict to a single area, you aren't limited to, with things like slashdot, disney, news, streaming and p2p, you have highly specialized and good services for free *discreet cough* .
On the other hand, if it's strictly intranet, restricting outside access AT ALL, it might turn out as an interesting experiment. Do tell us how it will grow (if it grows at all).
Re:Consider the size of internet, is there a point (Score:3, Insightful)
Be interesting to see if he can pull it off and get enough content and user interactivity to make it work...
Re:Consider the size of internet, is there a point (Score:4, Insightful)
I think you might have missed the point of the article. He specifically wants geographical isolation. All this "freeom" the internet has given us has taken away something else. You just don't have the sense of community on the internet. You can't decide "Hey, this weekend let's meet at pub XYZ" and actually interact with these people as humans have evolved to do.
Re:Consider the size of internet, is there a point (Score:2)
Oh, how wrong you are. There's thousands of little regional BBS type sites out on the internet. They largely spread by word of mouth. They stay regional by virtue of the fact that the core users all get together regularly at pub XYZ. There's no shortage of software for running these sorts of things either. Putting it on the internet just increases availability. I can go and chat with my friends while I'm at work. Likewise if I live a little
Re:Consider the size of internet, is there a point (Score:2)
Re:Consider the size of internet, is there a point (Score:3, Insightful)
My advice. (Score:5, Interesting)
1) who is paying for equiptment?
2) where is the equiptment going to be located?
3) how many people are acutally interested (is it going to be a wasted effort)?
4) servers to host content
5) Mesures to prevent people from causing problems (dhcp servers, hackers, viri and such)
6) will DNS be used?
7) Scale of network vs ammount of information being communicated
#7 is most important because if you have alot of people using this system as though it were a LAN, general broadcasts will be flooding your entire network. you will need *real routers* to segment parts of the network.
*real routers* means they're not intended for home use (ie: Linksys, d-link, etc...)
#4,5,6 & 7 all assume this network is large - predict this! its less work later if this really takes off for ya.
oh, and Seattle wireless has a network like this so you'll want to take a peak there to see how they have things set up.
Redirection (Score:5, Informative)
Did I miss something? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Did I miss something? (Score:3, Insightful)
Hell yeah! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Hell yeah! (Score:3, Funny)
Greetings, HOOMAN!
Re:Hell yeah! (Score:2, Interesting)
The second thing I thought of was that the BBS served a community. Therefore, you service might be about publicizing events and opportunities in and around the area. If the audience is the coffee house crowd, then think of what they would want to know about. I suspect the one thing that will doom the service, as it tends to doom any service, is to have personal inflexible agenda.
Re:Hell yeah! (Score:2)
www.synchro.net (Score:4, Informative)
Who will be God? (Score:2, Insightful)
interesting (Score:5, Insightful)
And these days, the magic distance is perhaps a quarter mile.
And you call that progress? ;)
In North America? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:interesting (Score:4, Informative)
Besides, in a rather densly populated city, you could hit several large appartment structures within the range.
Re:interesting (Score:2)
Re:interesting (Score:2)
And then, there was call waiting, and then later there were roommates, and the worst of the lot: roommates who insisted on subscribing to call waiting.
Sure, you could dial *70 or whatever to turn call waiting off, but only if you remember to put it in the dialer config...
Re:interesting (Score:2)
I ran a Wildcat! BBS back in the day, with two phone lines. After BBSs died, I wanted to do exactly what this topic is about, only people could dial into it and access it with their web browser instead of proprietary BBS software (I had my idea before wireless was out there).
Usurper_ii
Re:interesting (Score:2)
I used the vmodem emulation driver that was part of the SIO/VSIO communication driver set for OS/2. They used to be accessible from Ray Gwinn's Website [gwinn.com].
Basically, the software created a virtual modem on a com port of your choice (all the way up to 16
well (Score:4, Interesting)
If you want 80s old school, you could do something akin to the WELL. I had something similar in my old building complex (one computer on my floor where people would just post crap for everyone else to see) but it turned into a sort of an internal craigslist. That's not a bad thing, though, and the landlord bought it from me for one month's rent. In the new building I wired up a half-dozen neighbors on my network, installed ICQ, and showed them how to post to a tiny news server I had setup. They're more keen on surfing the web, though, so I just limit their bandwidth to 1 mbps. As for a BBS, well, that was a little before my time, but not so much before that I don't remember feeling ripped off after waiting an hour to download what I thought would be hot pr0n. Turned out to be a girl in a bikini. In a bikini fercrissakes!
a couple suggestions (Score:5, Insightful)
having said that, you could probably accomplish just about everything you need with existing wireless access points with some hacked-up firmware. wi-fi box is offering free replacement firmware for the linksys WRT54G series access points that offers a captive portal and some advanced routing features including WDS. what this means is that you can display a splash page to anybody who types in an arbitrary URL (say, www.slashdot.org) and inform them that they only have access to a certain few pages (links provided of course.) with WDS you can chain multiple access point together wirelessly, although you may be best served splitting some areas into subnets and cabling them together with tradional CAT5.
there are other options for the WRT54G firmware - www.sveasoft.com is one of the most popular. just be careful with this one, because the author thinks that reselling GPL'd software for $20 is a great idea, and if you have the gall to say otherwise here on slashdot he'll ban your ass from his forums and ftp servers in a heartbeat. you can distribute his software as allowed by the GPL, but if he catches you doing it or questioning his policies he'll make sure you can't access the software anymore. here's my original post on sveasoft that lead to the banning in question: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=109547&ci
the guy is a real pecker and probably doesn't deserve your $20 anyway.
Re:a couple suggestions (Score:5, Informative)
wi-fi box - a true free replacement WRT54G firmware [wifi-box.net]
how to get banned from using sveasoft's firmware [slashdot.org]
Don't limit yourself (Score:5, Insightful)
The BBSes that were really good were the ones that had decent content. If you lived in an area that had a lot of BBSes, the duller ones fell by the wayside pretty quickly. If anything kept them alive, it was the fact that you didn't get a busy signal when you tried to dial them.
Why not put something online that has very local content and let a broader cross-section participate? If the content is good, and you can get the word out, they will come.
They will visit, and it will be cool. (Score:2)
You can say that about any web site. This site has the advantage that he's hosting it himself and can put hundreds of gigabytes worth of content up. With all that space, he can make his site very interesting without having to pay an arm and a leg to a hosting provider. I think that's what he means by BBS community spirit, doing it yourself and having lots of interesting stuff.
I imagine that the only reason he'
Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:BBS' are dead (Score:2)
There are still many telnet-BBSs on the net, but parent is right-- they're dead--
I miss em.
Vision-X wasn't free (Score:2)
It also had a back door where the authors could log in with sysop access and fuck with your configuration.
The V-X authors were evil.
Re:Vision-X wasn't free (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Make it web-based (Score:5, Informative)
Of course if you wanted to be more old-school you could set up a public-access *NIX login, or even run an old-school BBS type deal via telnet. It would still be a good idea to route people to a website explaining how to get in. For that check out here [dmoz.com] and here [gnu.org], and here [freshmeat.net]
Re:Make it web-based (Score:2)
Also, add a Wiki and a free blog system (jspwiki.org?) in addition to a few online games.
Could be quite a nice setup.
Could you setup your "community" and still gate to the internet? Have enough local content to be compelling while blocking access from the internet. Locals only bruddah!
Re:Make it web-based (Score:2)
Running a telnet BBS (Score:3, Interesting)
And if you don't run LORD, you should be shot.
Aye! (Score:2)
I got an idea (Score:4, Funny)
NO CARRIER
Ideas (Score:5, Informative)
First, for wireless connection management you can use the nocat wireless portal system (requires linux). That will allow you to advertise a wireless AP and have the users automatically redirected to your community site.
For the actual site, I recommend phpnuke,postnuke or any of the content management software. They have lots of features hat will allow old style bbs functions like forums, gallery, pictures, files, etc. There are also modules that will do more.
With nocat you have the option of adding an internet connection in the future. I suggest talking to a local cafe shop, they may already have an internet connection and may be interested in a project that attracts the surrounding community.
Re:Ideas (Score:2)
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/8 -j DNAT --to
and then on the webserver a simple mod_rewrite rule that rewrote every url with a different domain/ip to the front page of the correct domain.
Already been don (Score:3, Informative)
Amateur (ham) packet radio networks have been doing exactly this since the early 1980s. They are designed to be independant of the Internet.
Check out TAPR [tapr.org] for more information on that.
Also, check out the Guerrilla Net [guerrilla.net] project by former L0pht members, which uses more modern hardware.
Re:Already been don (Score:2)
True, and packet networks [at least where I'm from] are just as dead as BBS's.
A couple of worries (Score:5, Informative)
Preferably (if possible, this is theory), assign 10.n.x.2 addresses, with your router responding to 10.n.anything.1. Let n be constant for your network, but x be the number assigned to each user. Give a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0. Thus you cannot reach another node without asking the router, who will of course deny; if you're blocking outside access, it should refuse to serve anything to 10.n.x.2 but 10.n.x.1. (If the request is on port 80, of course, explain the lack of outside access.)
Second, when outside Internet access through wireless covers your area, you either need to (possibly negotiate with the provider to) provide access yourself, talk to the provider about making yourself just a node on his nettwork, or provide clear instructions on how to switch from your BBS to the other provider. (It should be just a matter of changing the channel.)
Re:A couple of worries (Score:2, Interesting)
University Campus (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:University Campus (Score:3, Insightful)
We're doing this in Australia (Score:5, Interesting)
But while it is not strictly connected to the internet, there is nothing stopping an individual connecting a rooftop access point to a router and then to a home DSL connection. You then create a VPN to the internet via community mesh. This allows you to log on to your own home DSL connection from any location that can access the wifi mesh.
In Australia there is a country-wide IP assignment mechanism to eventually get continent-wide community wifi.
Re:We're doing this in Australia (Score:2)
A collection of localized wifi networks interconnected via VPN would probably do the trick. The agreement would be not to provide an internet gateway - just gatways to other local nets. A certain level of trust would have to be established between purveyors of these nodes - like FIDOnet back in the day.
FIDOnet is probably a good model for this - provided you wanted
Re:More info (Score:2)
Here in germany, all people are either simply opponents of technology, or, at the best, computers are for writing texts, internet is for looking up train connections and selling/buying at ebay. Every other usage is probably 'hackerish' and therefore bad.
I never went to australia, but I have this prejudice that you're all living on ranches with several kilometers in between
But I think, in densely populated areas, there is also nothing that prevents mesh networks from taking off other
Door games! (Score:3, Insightful)
Even though modem use is no longer an issue, a time limit every day keeps people coming back day after day.
Try an Old Skool BBS package (Score:5, Informative)
Local & Internet E-mail
Chat Rooms with shared White Boards
Shared File Libraries
Threaded Discussion Forums
Customizable Surveys
IRC Client
FTP, Telnet, Finger, POP3, SMTP, NNTP
WorldLink
Built-in Web Server
Huge library of add on software
If you don't have money to spend, try Synchronet. Features are simmilar, though not nearly as mature:
Local & Internet E-mail
Chat Rooms with shared White Boards
Shared File Libraries
Threaded Discussion Forums
Built in support for Fido, RIME and QWK!
IRC Client
FTP, Telnet, Finger, POP3, SMTP, NNTP
Built-in Web Server in development
Supports door games
Open Source!!!
Good luck!
One simple solution. (Score:5, Informative)
Here's an idea -- set your system up as you normally would for acccessing the Internet, but simply setup your site such that posting and other interactive services are only accessable from within the local subnet.
That is, if you have a (for example) /. like website, limit posting only to those people with IPs in your local subnet (ie: 10.x.x.x). People in the outside world will be able to read the posts, but you need to be inside the wireless range in order to be able to post.
The big benifit of doing this is that frequent users will be able to keep up with discussions and such from home -- but if they want to contribute, they'll need to be within wireless range.
Yaz.
nocatauth (Score:5, Informative)
This software provides an "Active Portal" which basically means any web traffic is redirected from wherever it was supposed to go to some specified machine.
Its not a difficult thing to do manually either with iptables. (from memory its something like: iptables -T nat -I prerouting -P tcp -dport 80 -d ! localnet -j DNAT --dest localbox). Just make sure you have a DNS server running that sends all requests back to your IP or else their browser will give them an error.
From there, you just set up and run apache on 'localbox' and you're off!
Linux / iptables (Score:3, Informative)
Perhaps a Linksys could do this :) (Score:2, Informative)
timothy
Citadel BBS (Score:4, Interesting)
What's more, modern Citadel systems give you telnet and web-based access, so the old-skool BBS'ers can have their 80x24 fun while the newbies can partake of the community from the comfort of their favorite browser. The e-mail system is built-in, sporting SMTP/POP/IMAP, and you get an instant messenger and a chat system completely integrated. It's a totally self-contained package that gives you the community-oriented site you're looking for.
If you want to see one in action, just click on the BBS link in my signature. I've been doing this for 16 years and loving it. BBS's are not dead, by any means.
This is a great way to tease wardrivers! (Score:3, Funny)
Lots of fun!
Ile sans fil (Score:3, Interesting)
Basically, what they are doing is getting coffee shops to pay a small fee to host the access points (running a custom Linux configuration), networking those, and offering both the internet connection on the coffee house's dime and building out their own BBS-like intranet service.
Maybe the idea would be harder to get off the ground in other parts of the world, but if you can swing it, I think internet access is a big draw for people who otherwise may not bother.
Why this is a great idea. (Score:5, Insightful)
Let me tell you why I see this sort of grass-roots things as the wave of the future.
First and formost, the primary feature of this system is that it has no recurring cost [well, assuming you are using solar]. Free is good.
Next, there is no controlling authority with rules, regulations and contracts. You know that your rights are severely limited in the contract you signed with your internet provider right? Freedom is good.
These intranet hotspots will be by definition local. They always talk about web communities, but they arent really. A bunch of anonymous jerks out trolling each other. This idea allows for locals to get together and be social. Community is good.
This sort of setup has no agenda. No chinese shyster selling penis pills, no corporation telling you what to think.
No agenda is good.
The most interesting thing is the possibilities that arise from synergy with other hotspots and the internet itself. If the number of local hotspots becomes large, and they become ubiquitous, there will be bridges formed between them..again all free, expanding the social network in interesting ways. New cultures will arise from these interactions without the debilitating noise of too many voices.
Culture is good.
I envision in the future rather than wi-fi, we will see wi-max versions of this idea. The neat thing about this is that you will be able to bridge to internet via your home isp when you wish to, and still use of the local hotspot would be free.
Ham Radio has similar still running (Score:2, Interesting)
Mesh? (Score:2)
Biggest problem (Score:5, Insightful)
BBS's never died ... they just evolved. (Score:2, Interesting)
BBS's were a means of communication back in the day when there was nothing else. It gave people a way to express their interests with
BBSs are still doable... (Score:3, Informative)
Oh, and if you want any of that old BBS software, it's still out there! A company named Metropolis now (unfortunately) owns the licenses for the classic game "Legend of the Red Dragon", so you'll have to buy it from them and not Seth Able. Most of the other ones have gone the way of abandonware... I tried to contact the authors of Usurper, Exitilus and so on... and none of them seem to have internet presence anymore. And if you were a Tradewars fan, it not only still exists but at one point they were going to make a new age MMORPG out of it!
few ideas.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Second, use Internet technologies -- DHCP, DNS, HTTP, etc.. its around, its free, its mature and generally speaking, pretty easy to setup in an intranet setup.
Third, focus on your advantages: #1 known demographic (same region) and #2 highspeed access (802.11B and higher
So you get lots of people together that have high speed versus broadband/dialup to the larger internet
Other content would be the local scene news -- where bands are playing, upcoming events, yada yada
Ultimately there *NEEDS* to be enough huge-bandwidth offerings to make people want to use the system.. too much of this same content is already available in the much more easily accessible Internet..
Re:few ideas.. (Score:2)
Random Chat servers?
A matchmaking service?
Open Source programs for download? OpenOffice, Linux ISOs
Legal MP3s from local artists?
Legal Streaming videos from local artists?
A streaming radio station that you could put requests on.
Community events are always good.
Your might want to get a little fancy and have a netconnect that the users can not get to but you can so you could ssh or even use RSS for news feeds and weather.
Get the local clubs, cafe's, and shops to pitch in with some loc
bad idea (Score:2)
If you want a geographic community, why not just give out access cards with a password in person at your place? That way, your population will be local, but you can use a more standard setup. And when your local friend travel, they can still check in over the In
South Station WiFi Bubble (Score:3, Interesting)
Someone set up something similar in South Station in Boston. It's described as a WiFi Bubble, and supplies information about South Station, vendors in the station, and gives you the opportunity to win a magic fortune fish!
Any requests to web pages outside the bubble only result in being served the bubble index page. It's a nice demonstration of what you can do with an old iMac and an Airport [apple.com]. The administrator gives some information on how it was set up, but the page is only available inside the bubble.
Nonetheless, it can be done! And if you're lucky, maybe you'll get a magic fortune fish! (Ooo! Curls up on both ends- I'm passionate! Woo! Hoo!)
Had a similar idea (Score:2)
Couldn't figure out how to build it in such a way that the networks could connect to one another and exchange information but keep it from being connected to the outside.
Interesting idea, though. And I think in the right places they could be very effective. College campus comes to mind. A neighborhood ne
Compelling content (Score:3, Insightful)
May I suggest:
Offering free hosting for local artists. Kind of a community portfolio. Even better if you find someone with edgy or risque work.
Offering free hosting for local underground musicians. Include an "internet" radio station that broadcasts their content. Hell, even hook it up to the internet if you want. Most internet radio stations will let you setup playlists, so it doesn't have to be manned 24/7. I would even suggest putting the DJ "booth" live in one of the cafes for use by anyone walking by. Dyne:Bolic (www.dyne.org), a Mini ITX motherboard and case (mini-itx.org), and a CD drive is all you need...
Definitely get community games in there; they will drive your early adopters, who will in turn drive your widespread adoption.
Get a community sponsor to offer some monthly "door prizes"... a free coffee at the local coffee shop, family bowling, 50% off one title at the game store... for that matter, a local LAN gaming facility might be interested in co-sponsoring the whole thing in exchange for high visibility advertising in their target community...
novelty (Score:2)
Technical bread crumbs... (Score:2, Informative)
Think router. You are basically going to setup a Wireless Access Point bridged and open and with a linux box handling all the low level routing.
I actually spec'd some of this for a new ISP startup. While I grant I never set it up (they were having money woes and other issues) I've worked for 3 ISPs so I think this is good advice, but like all advice... well.. it's free
Imagine... (Score:3, Interesting)
Allow email only to pass in and out, and you have yourself a killer community network that doesn't eat up all external bandwidth. Set up a few webcams and otehr cool things and people will happily switch to "the other internet" often.
Re:Imagine... (Score:2)
Why does it have to be wireless?
Any college student could implement this, creating a community site restricted to their University network (my U. has a firewall on
Of course, colleges are really something different entirely as far as social networks. There are plenty of online communities in my university, but they revolve around clubs (anime, gaming) and play a subordinate role to the real-world as they're used for logistics and decision making, not so much as an ends in itself. You don't really get to
OMG! it's revolutionary! (Score:2)
Re:Why, exactly? (Score:3, Insightful)
1) a potential for becoming too large. I can't afford a server farm if popularity hits hard, can you? That is completely ignoring the massive additional administrative overhead and invariable loss of focus encountered by popular web sites.
2) a potential for shit disturbers. Everyone is a big tough man from a thousand miles away (Slashdot is an almost-too-perfect example of this). I have a hunch that things are
Re:Any SSH capable BBSes? (Score:2)
This is simple. Suppose the server running the BBS is called server1. Suppose server1 has two interfaces, lo (loopback) and eth0 (connection to internet). Furthermore, suppose the BBS is listening on port 12345.
1. Reconfigure the BBS/MUD/whatever so that it binds to the lo interface instead of eth0. This will prevent any direct telnet
Small correction (Score:2)
ssh -t bbs@server1 telnet localhost 12345
This will ensure that the telnet session realizes that it is attached to a terminal. Without the -t, everything you type will be double-echoed, including the password for the BBS login. Obviously, you don't want that.