Cartoon Guide to Federal Spectrum Policy 237
js7a writes "The New America Foundation has published The Cartoon Guide to Federal Spectrum Policy (pdf). An excellent 14 page guide that everyone should print a few copies of to have handy in the backpack or car. Learn what would happen if the government regulated speech the same way they regulate airwaves. Learn the truth about microbroadcasting, smart radio, and so-called intererence (all previously covered on Slashdot.) Learn more creative ways to tell Congress to stop giving away public resources to private corporations. Make the most of your rights to use unlicensed wireless, before it's too late."
Licenses and power limits... (Score:2, Insightful)
Loud speakers are regulated too. Tonight at midnight local time, go out to your car, open the windows, and turn up the radio as loud as it will go. Cops will be visiting you shortly for distrubing the piece. See, you need a license if you're going to speak so loudly such that your sound is going to travel beyond your property and/or personal area.
These are just outlandish comparisions that don't hold water...
Re:Licenses and power limits... (Score:5, Insightful)
The valid point here is that spread spectrum could allow significantly more dense communication using RF. This would lead to more microbroadcasters (read whisperers) to be able to broadcast.
Re:Licenses and power limits... (Score:3, Insightful)
One of the cartoons implied that the military and police frequency get unused most of the time and the public should get access to those frequencies. It's shortsighted and stupid. The 1% of the time where the police or military need the fre
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Re:Licenses and power limits... (Score:3, Interesting)
No, you don't get it. There have been previous [slashdot.org] slashdot stories on the subject. [slashdot.org]
Loud speakers are regulated too.
Exactly! And they want SIMILAR sorts of regulations on radio! There is no objection to reasonable regulations on volume. People shouldn't be throwing out a hundred-kilowatts of radio any more than they should be driving around with a 200 decibel car.
These are just outlandish comparisions that don't hold water.
Yes they do. If they seem "outlandish" it's only b
Ok well (Score:5, Insightful)
Then I come along and decide that I don't like you all, for whatever reason. So I build a transmitter that operates on the WiFi band, but spews noise with 2000 watts of power through a massive antenna. Suddenly your WiFi is worthless. However there's nothing you can do, since there's no regulation. What I'm doing is legal, though assinie.
We have to share the airwaves just like we have to share roads. As we've found out all through history, you need rules when people have to share something or some assholes will abuse it. Hence, regulations on the airwaves.
I'm not saying they are perfect and need to changes, but they ARE necessary.
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What about cases like the invention of the telephone where both Bell and his competitor turned in claims on the same day. If there weren't precisce rules about how much detail is needed for a patent and whether
high power jamming nonsense (Score:2)
There's a variety of economic and practical reasons why you would never do such a thing. Even assuming you could get a 2000W transmitter for free, you'd still spend nearly $400 a month on electricity to run the thing assuming 50% efficiency and
Re:Ok well (Score:3, Funny)
That's why God invented the straight pin.
Stick one of those through your cable and watch the circuits fry.
Ah, the days of CB radio "wars". Good times, good times.
Re:Ok well (Score:5, Interesting)
Then there was the guy that just went and cut about 18" off the other guy's RG-8. That stuff is a pain to splice.
Re:Ok well (Score:2)
You should think twice before you trespass on someone's property and vandalize their equipment. Even if you don't get shot, you may end up in jail and have to live with a criminal record.
Just because you think that someone is operating an illegal transmitter, causing interference to their neighbors, doesn't make it true. Most people are ignorant and will blame any and all problems with their TV/radio/stereo on the guy in their neighborhood with the big anten
Re:Ok well (Score:2)
As we've found out all through history, you need rules when people have to share something or some assholes will abuse it.
If I just wrote the word "spam" here, Slashdot's lameness filter would not allow me to post.
Re:Ok well (Score:2)
You know, you've described in a nutshell exactly what happens every time the phone rings in one of the other apartments in the apartment complex I live in.
WiFi and cordl
Re:Ok well (Score:2)
Sure, but their problem with the current regulations is that exclusive use of the 'major roads' has been sold to the highest bidder.
Re:Ok well (Score:2)
Obviously we need regulation, it's just that the current regulation is just plain stupid.
It made sense back when everything was either AM or FM, but now the we have t
Re:Ok well (Score:5, Interesting)
In my jurisdictional area we have a guy that jams amateur frequencies any time they are being used to assist in emergencies. The amateurs working these situations are Disaster Service Workers under CA Office of Emergency Services and are either ARES or RACES affiliated, and he jams the nets. Our local law enforcement wanted to act, but it is a federal issue, so we gave it to Riley Hollingsworth at the FCC. After months of proof being sent in for review, swore statements by multiple officers that witnessed the crime, Riley sent a letter and told him to stop. Nothing ever came of it, it was a waste of time for everyone.
I wish people would actually go to jail for these things, but they normally don't. So go ahead, jam anyone you want, apparently the FCC only cares about getting money for the bands they can and never spending it on enforcement.
Nick
Butte County Sheriff Communications
[not presumed to be a statement of my employing agency]
Re:Ok well (Score:2)
Re:Ok well (Score:4, Interesting)
For people that he doesn't have bad past history with he is decent with on the radio. I wouldn't call him a bad person as much as misaligned. While jail time probably wasn't the best solution for this case, I believe a temporary revocation of his radio license would have sent the message that the behavior is not acceptable and personal issues should be resolved in other ways.
On the other hand, I was once trying to radio in a bicyclist down on a back road and requesting medics respond and I was jammed. We belive it was "our guy" by signal strength readings from around the county during the incident and he has history of jamming the person I was reporting the medical call to. That case we don't have enough to legally proove it was him or not, but it sure made me mad either way; whoever did it directly delayed medical attention to an injured person.
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I suppose that is the temptation. It does, however, make you a vigilante no matter how right or justified you think you are. I can understand the frustration when someone is getting away with something while others play by the rules (otherwise known as following the law), but it sort of defeats the purpose and utility of law if individuals get to decide when--or when not--to follow it.
They need to regulate. (Score:5, Insightful)
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So, jamming does become harder, but not impossible.
Re:They need to regulate. (Score:2)
Well, kind'a. It certainly is true that it is possible to stop all RF communication with a large enough noise signal on all frequencies, but that's not really suprising.
To emit all frequencies you have to have a large amount of power for all frequencies--i.e. 1 kW for 900 MHz and 1 kW for 901 MHz, et cetera. Even then low bandwidth communications could still happen between those, so you need a lot power to cover t
Spread Spectrum isn't a majic bullet (Score:5, Informative)
Key word being primer.
Look, Spread Spectrum isn't a magik nostrum to solve all ills. It makes it harder to actually intercept the signal but it raises the noise floor across the band it is operating on. Get enough devices operating and the noise floor comes up and smacks you. Toss the regulations and everyone starts cranking up the outpower and that floor will hit you pretty damned fast unless YOU crank up your power, which means your neighbors have to up THEIR power to overcome your contribution to the noise level, spiral out of control to madness.
Fact: Spectrum is not an infinite resource.
Fact: Spectrum, like every other finite public resource will be allocated in some fashion.
Discussing whether the current bandplan is sensible in the age of WiFi and other emerging technologies is a different debate, one I would love to get into; however there isn't much point of trying that in this thread:
1. This cartoon is a bunch of propaganda from some corporate consortium wanting to SELL lots of small RF devices who managed to tool some leftist think tank to make their arguments for them in terms of anti-corporatism. Kinda silly if you think about it. But with that sort of red meat hanging, the "down with authority" crowd is going to be out in force on this article.
2. This is slashdot, where the average poster is marginally qualified to discuss complex computer issues, I really doubt any sort of serious discussion would be possible on a subject so outside the average user's area of expertise. (Since the more ignorant the poster the greater the urge to post.)
Re:Spread Spectrum isn't a majic bullet (Score:2)
Nick, KG6NMP
Butte County Sheriff Communications
Re:Spread Spectrum isn't a majic bullet (Score:2)
There are apparently a lot of forces involved with spectrum. A lot of hardware manufacturers managed to convince the FCC to allow research into broadband internet over TV frequencies, so that leads me to believe that the TV broadcasting lobbies aren't as powerful as some had feared.
I really would like to see more unlicenced bands opened up. The bands given to wireless networking are IMO a pittance. I'm just not convinced that this NAF really understand
Re:Spread Spectrum isn't a majic bullet (Score:2)
Right, because idiots like you are sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling "la la la, I'm not listening!" It's rather appropriate that your side would have a reception problem. The cartoon is about regulating radio waves like regulating speech. There are lots of regulations on son
Re:Spread Spectrum isn't a majic bullet (Score:2)
Um, wrong actually. The latest research shows that in networks of smart transmitters/receivers, if you use all the available tricks, the total bandwidth of all the participants goes up proportional to the number of nodes in the network- in other words- total network bandwidth each node sees is constant.
2. This is slashdot, where the average poster is marginally qualified to discuss complex computer issues, I really doubt any sort of serious discussion would be p
Re:Spread Spectrum isn't a majic bullet (Score:3, Interesting)
You're wrong, as is anyone who conflates "spectrum" and "bandwidth".
The latest research shows that in networks of smart transmitters/receivers, if you use all the available tricks, the total bandwidth of all the participants goes up proportional to the number of nodes in the network
And also, if everyone became vegetarian, world hunger would end.
If you're suggesting a fairly high level of technology be mandatory for every radio, then that is just a different approach to advocating f
Re:They need to regulate. (Score:2)
Spread spectrum isn't magic. (It just seems that way
Low power also allows reusing a frequency in nearby locations. Cell phones are a perfect example.
You don't have the right to heckle... (Score:2, Interesting)
See, the owners of the venue have the right to decide who gets to speak on their property, and to throw out the people they don't want there.
Re:You don't have the right to heckle... (Score:5, Insightful)
The question is, how much of the spectrum should remain open to the public and how much of the spectrum should be allocated to licensees, and how much interference (if any) on licensed airwaves is permissable and is it practical to allow portions of the spectrum remain unlicensed?
Most of their analogies seem relavent. Yeah, you may not be able to shout over/interupt a candidate (which would essentially be the equivalent of attempting to use the same part of the spectrum that the candidate is "shouting" over), but you are, generally speaking, allowed to speak in softer tones to those in your immediate vicinity (referred to as "whispering" in the cartoons).
If it is true that advances in technology allow radio signals to more intelligently distinguish and filter out different signals from different sources, perhaps instead of licensing the entire spectrum (or letting a lot of the spectrum go to waste), they should simply mandate that devices have the technology to "intelligently" distinguish and filter signals.
Re:You don't have the right to heckle... (Score:3, Informative)
The logic that the FCC usually uses is that the first group of users allowed to use a given band are declared the "primary users" and have the right t
Re:OFFTOPIC!? (Score:3, Informative)
In that light, the poster's response is a perfectly valid critique of one of the assertions of this cartoon guide.
Don't go modding people "Offtopic" if you don't even know what the topic is!
Is it just me or... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Is it just me or... (Score:5, Funny)
I don't know, but my VCRs never contain anti-govermental/pro-anarchistic propaganda. Would be fun though.
"This VCR uses the Betamax system. Rebel against VHS! Dispose of the false standards corporationalism has forced upon us! Revolt! FREE YOURSELF! Not for children under the age of 6."
Cartoon rights guides == great (Score:5, Interesting)
Norml [norml.org] have some excellent comics [norml.org] which do exactly the same thing: put across an issue in an interesting way.
Re:Cartoon rights guides == great (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you. I'll remember your post next time I try to explain to someone why the education system isn't doing its job...
Re:Cartoon rights guides == great (Score:3, Funny)
I doubt it. His post wasn't in cartoon form.
OT: Re:Cartoon rights guides == great (Score:2)
Government-funded PSAs on TV about internet spam and scams would work.
Dumbing down the level of intellectual discourse (Score:2)
Free Propaganda (Score:5, Insightful)
Not helpful
The difference is (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The difference is (Score:2)
Nobody can speak acoustically and reach a million people. We've reserved specific sections of frequencies for specific uses, including such that a select few who we as the public trust get the right to broadcast on the broadcast channels.
If we don't like what our broadcasters are doing with the frequencies that they're licensing from the government, we should let the FCC know. Afterall, without complaints, how would they know what to take action on?
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They're very loose when you consider what we're talking about. You can broadcast on the 88-108MHz FM band so long as you keep yourself to a whisper. In fact, a "pirate" AM radio station on a college campus that manages to confine all of its signal to the campus area isn't breaking the law at all...
Re:The difference is (Score:2)
If you broadcast at a low power level, it would be very hard to detect from 50 miles away, and your battery life would be prolonged. The equivalent of noise pollution laws might be able to prevent excessive wattage.
Admittedly it takes less energy to broadcast radio waves discernable from 50 miles than it does to do t
Re:The difference is (Score:2)
Screw that, you probably wouldn't survive the experience. The only times I remember hearing something from 50 miles away involved the space shuttle.
Right to recieve... (Score:5, Informative)
What, you don't believe me? Just go to your local Best Buy or Circuit City location and look at the iPod accessories. You'll see several models of battery powered FM transmitters. Yep, you can plug those into to your iPod and go, no FCC license required, but batteries are not included.
Of course, the catch is that it has to comply with some pretty low power limits [gpo.gov] but that's the point. You're only allowed to affect the radios in your immediate area, not to set up a major broadcaster that'd interfere with the already licensed stations.
See, everybody else has the right to hear what the licenced transmitters are putting out, and your right to broadcast falls when it comes into contact with their right to recieve.
Re:Right to recieve... (Score:2, Interesting)
I'd totally be willing to listen to some pirate radio if they played the mus
Re:Right to recieve... (Score:3, Interesting)
The entire radio station (WBAI in New York) is listener supported. The great thing about Off the Hook is that almost all of the shows since the beginning are available in mp3 (there are a few shows that have no known recording). So you can listen to Off the Hook from 1989 onwards. I'm up to Oct 1992.
Re:Right to recieve... (Score:3, Insightful)
It's a crude and inefficient regulatory system designed to work with receivers using 1930's technology.
>You're only allowed to affect the radios in your immediate area, not to set up a major broadcaster that'd interfere with the already licensed stations.
Your cellphone doesn't interfere with mine even if we're next to each
Re:Right to recieve... (Score:3, Interesting)
That's because it probably interferes with another licensed station (not necessarily in the FM band -- ever hear about harmonics?). Otherwise, that frequency would be allocated to somebody else.
It's a crude and inefficient regulatory system designed to work with receivers using 1930's technology.
Most receivers still use something pretty close to 1930s technology. Your basic radio receiver hasn't
Re:Right to recieve... (Score:2, Interesting)
Only if you use TDM and there is more channel bandwidth than you can use.
Actually CDMA can support a large number of phones on the same frequency. I don't remember the average number, but its something like 16 or 32 per frequency. Walsh codes are a very cool thing.
Re:Right to recieve... (Score:2)
But its still a finite number of transmissions per frequency per time slice.
Spectrum is finite. There is a mathematical absolute limit to how much data you can stick into a given amount of spectrum at a given power level. There is no way around it.
FDMA, TDMA, CDMA, they're neat hacks to maximize usage, but eventually without regulation you will run out of spectrum.
How about Italy? (Score:5, Interesting)
According to the article the results were pretty interesting. An enormous choice of things to listen to, some with really limited interest to most of us. One example the article gave was a 24 hour Hare Krishna station broadcasting nothing but chanting 24 hours a day.
I've long wished that the same rights were available in the U.S. If the law was changed tomorrow, I'd be in the market tomorrow for the equipment to set up my own radio station. If it could reach 20 miles, I'd be happy.
Re:How about Italy? (Score:2, Funny)
No, that was actually a Bush Presidential Address regarding the Iraqi war.
Interesting taste (Score:3, Funny)
I bet people don't borrow your CDs much
Human audible frequency spectrum.. (Score:2, Insightful)
Humans can hear frequencies from 20 Hz to 20 kHz
not 20 kHz to 20000 kHz.
The 0 kHz in the radio makes me think somebody typoed all "Hz" words to "kHz".
Re:Human audible frequency spectrum.. (Score:2)
Cartoon Guide, eh? (Score:2, Funny)
Why you can't use an FM radio RECEIVER on a PLANE. (Score:4, Informative)
Modern FM receivers work by mixing a beat frequency with the frequency you want to receive. You wind up with (a+b) and (a-b), one of which is trivially filtered out with a high (or low) pass filter.
Now there's a nice, simple, standard design (and corresponding set of chips) for handling FM at a particular frequency. So given your target frequency (a), you can choose a beat frequency (b) such that (a-b) matches the standard chip frequency.
For standard US FM radio, that beat (b) frequency is right in the middle of the aircraft band.
Aircraft use AM for their comm gear.
So your little FM walkman receiver can jam air-to-ground comms.
That's a RECEIVER! Once you get into transmitters, it's really easy to jam everything around for miles. Not only on your frequency, which may be quite wide, but also on all the harmonics.
Take it from someone who used to jam his little brother's radio reception. "Turn it down or I turn it OFF!"
Re:Why you can't use an FM radio RECEIVER on a PLA (Score:2)
If every radio in fact emitted radio waves, even if only to weakly mix with existing strong signals but enough to interfere with the plane, why would this statement exist?
Re:Why you can't use an FM radio RECEIVER on a PLA (Score:2)
See this page [i-spec.com] for a listing of the FCC EMC rules.
Re:Why you can't use an FM radio RECEIVER on a PLA (Score:2)
factual error (Score:3, Informative)
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Rediculous (Score:2, Insightful)
No, a properly written article on the benefits and draw backs of liscencing the airwaves would have been better - using frank a
We need a more 'Democratic' system (Score:2, Insightful)
Umm, the Military is Losing Out Too... (Score:5, Informative)
What about old radios? (Score:2, Insightful)
How recently is this guy talking about? Will the radio in my '92 Acura be able to work like that? What about even older devices? Or would the recommended policy make all those radios obsolete?
I'm generally against overuse of government power, but it seems the new technology has to fully overtake the old technology before the govern
Freedom of Speech Primer (Score:4, Insightful)
1) The right to say something offensive to somebody before they beat your ass. You're protected under the law as a victim of the crime of battery, but the perp didn't violate your free speech rights.
2) The right to say something at work that gets you fired. Your employer has no obligation to let you say anything you want. They have the right to put their own best interests first with regard to your speech.
3) And yes, the right to broadcast on radio and television. It's not a right, it's a privilege. More about that in a moment.
So, what is this mysterious freedom of speech that people talk about all the time? Well, it's hard for many Americans (most westerners, actually) to understand what it really means, because we've never known anything else. Well, like calling President Bush an idiot, for example. You're allowed to do that. You won't get shot or thrown in jail for saying it. You're allowed to say basicaly anything you want to and the federal government can't come after you for it, with some obvious exceptions:
1) If you suggest that you're going to harm the President or anybody else under Secret Service protection.
2) If you call in a bomb threat or any other kind of threat.
3) If you lie to an investigator or in a court of law
Now, back to the topic at hand. It's probably a great idea, now that radios are getting good enough to distinguish the signal they want from the signal they don't want. Of course, you can't really expect the government to jump on this development immediately. One great thing about radio is that it's really backward compatible. You can still use radios from many decades ago and they work just fine.
The part where I get upset is when people get upset about evil corporations buying the airwaves. Yes, the FCC has had some pretty crappy decisions in the last 15 years or so about their ownership rules, allowing companies like Clear Channel and Cox to reallly build major empires. But it's not a free speech violation. We do not and have never had any right to broadcast on public airwaves within certain frequencies. The reason for this is that those frequences are not unlimited. In fact, they're quite limited. So they are a public trust and must be regulated by the government. Don't like it? Go invent something better.
RP
Re:Freedom of Speech Primer (Score:3, Informative)
Immunity (Score:2)
Who is the "New America Foundation"? (Score:4, Interesting)
and they're funded by "public intellectuals, civic leaders, and business executives." Although if these "intellectuals, civic leaders, and business executives." are so public, why don't they want to publicly put their names to this organisation.
It seems to me that they're a professional political lobbyists - guns for hire, if you will - but who pays their wages? I don't like the idea of raising the profile of an organisation without knowing exactly who they are...
Nice analogy (Score:2)
Not all or nothing (Score:2, Insightful)
Some applications of radio/TV/ephones work better for pre-defined bands and some work better under free-for-all.
Let's have ranges set aside for some of each and let the market-place decide which they will choose.
Re:Not all or nothing (Score:2)
Cancer? (Score:2, Interesting)
No way (Score:2, Interesting)
Nowhere close. Radio waves cannot effect electronic transitions in DNA. Period. At that point, it has to be a massive radiation density argument, and the W/m2 created
Re:No way (Score:2, Informative)
The amount of simplification is staggering, and to go from there to an actual medical condition like blood-clotting is just pure speculation. A lot of verification has to be done.
they need to eliminate the FCC (Score:2)
See For a New Liberty: The New Libertarian Manifesto -- Personal Liberty. Murray N. Rothbard. Search for "Freedom of [mises.org]
Re:OMFG (Score:2, Insightful)
I agree with the overall message that the FCC should allow more free spectrum. If we look at the proliferation of devices on 2.4 and 5.8, we can see the sucess of the unlicense space versuse the licensed space. Anyone want to bet where more money is flowing through? If we took down 2.4 and 5.8, would the economy suffer more than if we took down any other two spectrums?
Free Willy!
Re:Air waves? (Score:3, Informative)
Mostly because of those EM waves that reflect off of that layer of air called the ionosphere. If all terrestrial EM communications had to be line-of-sight, we might not even have an FCC.
Re:license? no! own! (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh, for fuck's sake, do we have to apply the property meme to every fucking thing humanity discovers?
Shiny rock? Mine! Sexy mate? Mine! Territory? Mine! Land between fences? Mine! Prisoners of War? Mine! Novel? Mine! Audio recording? Mine! Right to build a telephone? Mine and mine alone!
OBEY, proles. I own all.
Et cetera.
"The line must be drawn here!"
- Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Abolishment of private property might be a bit extreme, but can we please stop inventing new forms of it? It's not benefitting anyone.
None of the great innovations, discoveries, or achievements in human history were made for material gain.
Re:license? no! own! (Score:2)
A type of red herring (Score:3, Insightful)
The people who held the land in common were just DUMB! Plenty of societies manage public resources well. Fir
Re:license? no! own! (Score:2)
It all depends on what you consider "great", but here are some examples:
The airplane.
The telegraph.
The radio.
The transistor.
The integrated circuit.
Metal working.
Domesticated animals.
Agriculture.
Steam power.
I think that's enough.
Re:license? no! own! (Score:2)
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the lack of regulation of whispering represents the "public property" argument
Whispering is not PROPERTY.
The act of shaking something back and forth 100 times per second is not property. When I talk to someone, am I somehow using "public property" of "shaking something back and forth 100 times per second"? No, that's absurd. Shaking something 100 times per second is not property.
If I were to shaking a huge sp