Pictorial and Written History of Bell Systems 151
gngulrajani writes "I have wasted an afternoon digging though this website. Lots of old school Bell marketing posters as well as technical specifications for things such as 'Telephone Memory Devices' and a 'dataphone service'."
Baby bells (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Baby bells (Score:2, Interesting)
The novation applecat was the most amazing chunk of hardware you could add to an apple in those days.
Re:Baby bells (Score:5, Informative)
You are not kidding. Those things were fully programable so that one could create a list of numbers to dial (or even dial randomly) and then log the numbers which were answered by computer modems for call back and investigation when you got back from school. I could not afford the Applecat at first and relyed on a cheap modem card and one of those phone handset cradles for a while before I could mow enough lawns around the neighborhood to purchase the Applecat. As I recall, it seems to have pulled about $300 out of my 14year old pockets, but there was a friend of mine (from a decidedly wealthy background) that was doing all sorts of custom programming on his even hooking up an old cassette player to function as an anwering machine which totally blew me away.
Re:Baby bells (Score:4, Funny)
At least I had a girlfriend.
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Re:Baby bells (Score:5, Interesting)
What today's hackers don't realize is how expensive phone service used to be. You either got your phone service from Southwestern Bell, or you didn't get it at all. Your phone? You bought that at the Southwestern Bell store. No, you couldn't just go to Wal-Mart and pick up a $10 phone. Not much choice either, I think there were maybe ten or fifteen available choices. Did I mention how expensive that phone was? Try over $100. For just a regular, standard telephone. Oh, and if you wanted an extra phone (not line!) in your house? That was an extra charge. Just for the working outlet, even IF you didn't plug a phone into it.
I didn't get the phone bill in those days, so I have no idea what a monthly bill used to look like, but I did know that it was prohibitively expensive to call anywhere long distance. Just to call my father in the next town over cost $0.22 a minute.
Re:Baby bells (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes. Thus the whole impetus for getting the long distance numbers. The first month after I got my modem, (before I knew about the baby bell codes), my folks went absolutely ballistic at the phone bill saying to me: "You're Grounded!!!" which of course probably proved critical in my discovering the rest of the "wired" world through the phone codes. Man, they were screaming about my calling all over the country, but really had no idea of what I was actually doing with the computer or the implications. My Mom came in once when I was talking via text term to a friend on the other side of town and she was absolutely marveling at the fact that we could "talk" over the computer lines. This is a woman who had a doctorate but had never seen such a thing before. It's hard to appreciate just how novel that was back in 1983 to the vast majority of the population.
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Re:Baby bells -- don't forget cell phones, either (Score:2)
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Defined, they are respectively ][: Dec: 91 and 93 Hx: 5B and 5D Oct: 133 and 135
Re:Baby bells (Score:1, Offtopic)
Some programming languages that required [ and ] had control key combinations to produce them in their editors, since they weren't on the keyboard. Other characters missing were {} (oh no, I can't write C!), the backslash, and lower case letters.
Fun system, it was. With limitations that almost sound like a joke today...
Re:Baby bells (Score:2, Offtopic)
Oh man, I'm so glad you came by and cleared this up. I've been saying Apple Slash Slash for years!!!
Re:Baby bells (Score:2, Informative)
Please, before you comment on something you don't know anything about, think.
Of course, what else is new on
Yes, it was called the Apple two, but in just about every reference and magazine (except more mainstream press like Time or the New York Times) used the ][ symbols because that is what Apple used, even in technical manuals as well as the boot text when the computer was first turned on. People us
Uh, WRONG! (Score:2)
Woz: Steve and I had started a company and sold mostly built computers during 1976. I had designed the Apple ][.
Re:Site Text (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Site Text (Score:2)
/Ma Bell B$&%^
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Nice (Score:2, Interesting)
Old site with lots of info. (Score:1)
Where are the pictures of .. (Score:3, Funny)
They're still after me.
The number you have called (Score:4, Funny)
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This is a recording.
I've seen a few of these before (Score:2, Interesting)
Never underestimate good office decor.
Telephone company history? (Score:5, Funny)
We realize that every so often you can't get an operator, for no apparent reason your phone goes out of order [snatches plug out of switchboard], or perhaps you get charged for a call you didn't make.
We don't care. Watch this!
[bangs on a switch panel like a cheap piano]
just lost Peoria. You see, this phone system consists of a multibillion-dollar matrix of space-age technology that is so sophisticated, even we can't handle it. But that's your problem, isn't it?
Next time you complain about your phone service, why don't you try using two Dixie cups with a string.
We don't care.
We don't have to.
We're the Phone Company!"
-- Lily Tomlin from "Saturday Night Live: The First 20 Years" (1994 Cader Company).
Of copper pipes and microwaves (Score:5, Interesting)
At the same time that fiberoptics were invented, Ma Bell had another high-bandwidth long-distance telecom technology in the works. Microwaves travelling in underground copper pipes could carry a modestly high bandwidth signal for long distances. They actually had an entire factory to creating the equipment (pipe, connectors, repeaters, edge boxes, etc.) When fiber came out (with its superior cost structure and tech performance) they simply killed the concept and the factory and adopted fiber.
Re:Of copper pipes and microwaves (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm guessing that the megahertz-range signals on the coax were then muxed into gigahertz-range signals to be transmitted down the tubes. Fascinating.
Lots more details at long-lines.net [long-lines.net] for the curious.
Re:Of copper pipes and microwaves (Score:2)
If it's the latter, that's pretty damn cool.
Re:Of copper pipes and microwaves (Score:3, Interesting)
The signal sent down a twisted pair is bipolar and "balanced", so that the two wires are carrying mirr
Re:Of copper pipes and microwaves (Score:3, Interesting)
You can see some of these pipes at the American History Museum of the Smithsonian, in their communications and computers exhibit on the first floor. They really are like plumbing! The exhibit shows something like a joint between two pipes--both pipes taper gracefully down to the joint from a diameter of about 3cm to 1cm.
P.S.: I scooped this Slashdot story on Metafilter about a year ago [metafilter.com]! *gloa
Re:Of copper pipes and microwaves (Score:2)
Wave guide may be a great deal more durable then fiber optics, but as far as pounds per diameter in terms of bandwidth... I think fiber may have the victory here.
I could see a myriad of potential problems upgrading any large infrastructure.
Still, its interesting stuff to play around with when you get the chance.
Re:Of copper pipes and microwaves-A watery Wave. (Score:3, Interesting)
If you have any obstruction or not properly bending the radio waves you will get reflection back the tube. (VSWR) This is bad and too high of a reflection will cause your equipment to shut down.
You could waste even more time... (Score:5, Informative)
Phone Loosers [phonelosers.org]
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John Muir's 1897 phone number: 63
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ma bell (Score:1)
call me a llama but the beastie boys and some old school phreakers at hacker cons are the only references to 'ma bell' that i come across..
There will again be one Bell... (Score:1)
It's like watching the T2000 come back together.
Re:There will again be one Bell... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:There will again be one Bell... (Score:4, Funny)
One ringy dingy to rule them all
One ringy dingy to find them
One ringy dingy to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them.
Re:There will again be one Bell... (Score:1)
Re:There will again be one Bell... (Score:1)
Ma Bell was this giant corporation that ran most the phone systems in the country. Definatly a big monopoly, yet by 1964 they had deveoped:
Touch Tone Dialing;
Call forwarding:
AutoDial(granted, it was done by dialing 2 numbers, and the central system would 'know' who to dial)
Pager service;
and many others.
So it seems to me that large corporations do innovate. As a matter of fact, there R&D far surpased any R&D that is happened at any of the small spinoffs from the break up.
I'm not
Judge Green and the MFJ (Score:4, Insightful)
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I dont know if you're aware that a lot of other countries still have these evil, gigantic phone monopolies. And we do have 1 Mbit internet acess
Re:Judge Green and the MFJ (Score:1, Interesting)
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Quite likely we would have. Ma Bell has (had) a long record of pushing technology and responding to customer demands. (So long as the demands weren't for cheap service, or faster service. Ma charged as much as the regulators would let her get away with, and deployed repairmen and technology on her own schedule.)
Not to mention that thar's money in t
AT&T Going Underground. (Score:1, Offtopic)
This is from a print ad concerning the "Plot" to bury AT&T with a black and white picture of a bunch of people with shovels on top.
Re:AT&T Going Underground. (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:AT&T Going Underground. (Score:1)
Like people who type teevee, i guess.
World's Fair Pavilion (Score:2, Informative)
Video from the Bell System's Pavilion at the Seattle World's Fair in 1962. It's fairly interesting and amusing. It shows such advances as touch-tone dialing, pagers, and autodialing.
Re:World's Fair Pavilion (Score:3, Informative)
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Re:World's Fair Pavilion (Score:4, Funny)
Notice the annoying couple (Score:2)
Thanks a lot! (Score:4, Funny)
Well, guess what? You posted the damn address on Slashdot now I can't waste an afternoon digging through that website. Now I have to do my job and update a bunch of Windows 2003 servers because M$ can't get its patches right.
Next time you feel the need to not waste my afternoon, DON'T!
Oblig Simpsons (Score:4, Funny)
"If you require a special dialing wand, please mash the keypad with your hand, now."
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phone technology history is facinating (Score:1)
it seems to me that telephones were really ahead of there time technologically.
the thing that gets me though, is considering todays available technology, why is the sound quality of phones still so bad? you would think by now they would have done something about this. it really shows when you listen to a recorded phone call or the sound diff
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Re:phone technology history is facinating (Score:3, Insightful)
Cost is why.
Instead of getting more hardware, they started using more compression. From a business standpoint it's a no brainer.
Re:phone technology history is facinating (Score:3, Informative)
Mostly because it's Good Enough(tm).
They give the phones enough bandwidth to carry the important frequencies for speech. If they gave more bandwidth to phones, they would lose total carrying capacity.
Re:phone technology history is facinating (Score:4, Informative)
Well the biggest hidden secret fact is that Alexander Graham Bell did not actually invent the telephone. As was finally recognised by the US Congress in 2002 [guardian.co.uk], the inventor was a poor Italian immigrant Antonio Meucci.
Meucci had taken a 'one year renewable intent to patent' out on the invention as he couldn't afford the full patent, and a few years later Bell, who had access to Meucci's materials got hold of the stuff and claimed it as his own.
from the article:He sent a model and technical details to the Western Union telegraph company but failed to win a meeting with executives. When he asked for his materials to be returned, in 1874, he was told they had been lost. Two years later Bell, who shared a laboratory with Meucci, filed a patent for a telephone, became a celebrity and made a lucrative deal with Western Union.
Meucci sued and was nearing victory - the supreme court agreed to hear the case and fraud charges were initiated against Bell - when the Florentine died in 1889. The legal action died with him.
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slashdotted... (Score:1, Funny)
Bell System (Score:2)
Reach out and touch someone! [80stvthemes.com]
Re:Bell System (Score:1)
Site content on CD's (Score:1)
Another Telephone system archive (Score:3, Informative)
afternoon waste (Score:2)
yeee-ha ! free light for a month !
sorry. Couldn't resist
Nice comic strip (Score:2)
Pierce (with nosering/earrings/cell): Great my phone battery is dead!
Dude1: Dude! Do you want to call from my house Pierce?
Pierce: Yeah, okay. Dude1: It's too bad technology today is so limited.
Pierce: I know. There should be some kind of system in place which wouldn't require people to carry phones around wherever they go. Dude1: Yeah! Like communication centers placed in areas where people congregate.
Dude2: And there would be indiv
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maintenance downtime = servers are smoking
capacity problems =
Nice, but... (Score:1, Informative)
1. Ken Thompson had Unix running by 1983.
2. Dennis Ritchie had invented C by 1983.
3. Bjarne Stroustrup was almost in Murray Hill by 1983.
Why no mention of them?
Memories (Score:5, Interesting)
What you take for granted clipped to your belt or in your pocket used to take up a chunk of your car's trunk with thick control cables and a control head mounted on the transmission hump of your car. The things transmitted 25 watts of RF over 152 / 158 MHz full-duplex and could kill a car battery in no time flat. Coverage was spotty over about 12 miles and it had no privacy as anyone with a scanner could listen in. (and you panic about 100 milliwats out of a typical cell phone, heh heh...)
Now they run for days on a lithium ion battery and you dont fix them - you just throw them away.
Re:Memories (Score:2, Interesting)
slashdotted real good (Score:4, Funny)
I have wasted an afternoon digging though this website.
Well, we won't. It has been slashdotted. Bummer. I like old phone stuff.
The new bell system (Score:1, Funny)
Charlie Stanley, an AT&T employee who was born in the year the Bell System died, created a hoax web page of what he envisions as a new Bell System.
leading to...
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I didn't know if it was the actual page or the result of slashdotting
Anybody knows this kind of phone? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Anybody knows this kind of phone? (Score:1, Informative)
They were the property of the public phone company of
older days in Sweden. Ericsson built them.
Here you can see the rotary dial and the red button "hook"
in the bottom of the phone:
http://www.antika.nu/Diverse/Diversebild2
It seems that they can be bought for less than 100 USD:
http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_5004226
Re:Anybody knows this kind of phone? (Score:1)
Dad works for Bellsouth (Score:1)
My acustic coupler works just fine... (Score:1)
Here's *my* blast from the past.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, it's my personal property..
If you liked this site.. (Score:1)
Re:If you liked this site.. (Score:1)
It's amazing how organic and cool the old analog phone network used to sound. The digital network is very boring now. I was a kid in the 70's when the network was still analog, and I wasn't a phreak in the true sense. But I do remember playing around with the phone a bit just to hear the sound of the switching equipment, etc.
An interesting thing... My grandparents lived in a small town in Virginia (until my grandfather died in 2000). The
The good old days (Score:4, Interesting)
-Made the TV news for building an exchange in my buddies basement from salvaged parts that connected houses on our block (pretty much his doing)
-Learned how to draw that modern bell logo by heart- put it on everything.
-My delight at finding a '604b' tool at the base of a phone pole (it was a dual ended nut driver)
-6 button business phones and 50 conductor cable with funky wide plugs.
-We could tell whether an exchange used regular relays or rotary step-switches by the sound on the line.
-Many odd admin type phone numbers that did fun things- can't remember what all now.
Yes, we were obsessed.
Same site? (Score:2)
Amazing (Score:1)
I'm still amazed, having worked in the telecom industry for 12 years, that every time I pick up the 'phone, I get a dial tone...
Amazing...
The real history of the transistor (Score:3, Informative)
Sherwin Gooch's Account of John Bardeen's Lecture (Score:1)
by Baldrson [mailto] (jabowery@netcom.com) on Tuesday December 28, @08:58AM EST
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In any case, I'll check with Sherwin Gooch to see if he has any more direct evidence from Bardeen himself to support the controversial account of the hide-away experimental stand.
I did, and here is Sherwin's response:
Jim,
Thank you for alerting me to your discussion.
To provide a more solid foundation, one should be aware that I heard this story from the horse's mouth.
John Bardeen himself gave a talk one evening at Altgeld Hall on the University of Illinois campus, circa 1978, in which he related various experiences surrounding his inventing the transistor. At the time, people suspected that the scheduling of this presentation may have been related to Bardeen's health.
Professor Bardeen showed us the B&W 16mm film BB&S had made at Bell Labs immediately after they got the first transistor to work (and, presumably, before Bardeen's boss got to work the next morning...) I have seen individual frames and out-takes of this film since, but I don't know if the entire film still exists. The "rolly-cart" with their experimental set-up is plainly in evidence on the film.
It was John Bardeen himself, at Altgeld Hall, who related that his boss had said that the "solid-state amplifying device" which they wanted to develop was "not feasible," and that, "even if it were possible, it would have no practical application." Dr. Bardeen related that sometimes, when his boss stayed at work past 5 p.m., the three of them would become very impatient waiting for him to leave so they could roll their setup out of the coat-closet, and get busy on what they, apparently, thought was the greatest "cool hack" of the day.
I wonder who Bardeen's boss was. His boss should be immortalized in history next to the NASA manager who advised the last engineer withholding approval of the Challenger launch to "put on your management hat!"
One of the anecdotes John Bardeen related was how he had left his set of photographic slides in the taxi which took him to the ceremony to collect his Nobel prize, and all the trouble to which he and the Swedish government had gone in trying to recover them. But their efforts were unsuccessful; the slides were never recovered. Professor Bardeen was extremely apologetic that he didn't have them to use in his presentation, and so we would just have to make-do with his relating the incidents to us.
With my background in computer music, I found one of the pieces of supporting paraphernalia that Dr. Bardeen didn't lose in Sweden quite interesting. He brought along a transparent plexiglas box, approximately the shape of a 6" cube, with randomly distributed 3/4" or so holes (apparently for cooling?) in the sides. On the top were a number (6 or so) of black SPST N.O. push buttons. A small loudspeaker was mounted inside. (There must have also been a battery of some kind, but I don't recall it.) The box contained a collection of electronic components, their leads soldered to one-another ("tacked together"), and hanging in "free space." (He hadn't bothered to use a prototyping board or connecting strip.) There were resistors, capacitors, possibly some coils, and these ~1" long bar things (which were the transistors), of which there were 3. Dr. Bardeen explained that he had had chosen to build this device because it em
Bell System Memorial Site Overload (Score:1)
Misguided pro-monopolists... (Score:2)
Personally, I find this ridiculous. The fact is, in the two decades since the monopoly was broken up, every company in the US has become evil, slimy, and so on. There's no reason to believe that a monopoly would be any different.
One thing that has changed, is that our government seems to be getting far more corrupt, and
VOIP (Score:2)
Re:Red Stripe beer tastes like bongwater (Score:2, Interesting)
And you are correct about Red Stripe beer. There's a reason for that.
Priceless! (Score:2, Funny)