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Have Your Family Gather 'Round the Virtual Table 68

Ridgelift writes "A new device is helping families and loved ones feel connected even when they're far apart. Part of the Media Lab's Habitat project, a pair of 'cyber-tables' are equipped with radio tag readers, projectors and computers running on Linux and Macintosh operating systems. 'Habitat's designers say the system can give people a sense of what their loved ones are up to and perhaps even how they are feeling'."
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Have Your Family Gather 'Round the Virtual Table

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  • by iridiumz0r ( 711388 ) * on Friday November 28, 2003 @04:27PM (#7584039)
    I sure hope they don't put one of these things in my girlfriend.. I'd hate to have to explain to my grandparents at the next family meeting...
  • Privacy? (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    It is touted as a family enabler, but I suspect it will turn into a procavy reducing device much like baby monitors, stop light cameras, or Microsoft Windows Media Player.

    "Media Player", ha! More like "Media Deleter and Computer Crasher", am i rite?
  • joek joek (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    hands off the table, kid!

    i'm in australia dad, HAHA.
  • Why? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by henrygb ( 668225 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @04:30PM (#7584053)
    It all seems a little complex. Why not broadband video over IP (with on/off switches at both ends)?
    • Re:Why? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Ridgelift ( 228977 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @04:42PM (#7584114)
      It all seems a little complex. Why not broadband video over IP (with on/off switches at both ends)?

      The idea is you use it one a regular basis without really thinking of it. It's like coming home and seeing someone elses shoes thrown across the kitchen, which tells you "hey, my brother's home. Why'd he throw his shoes like that? Maybe he's upset about something".

      Eating, reading, having a set of keys sit on a table when you're supposed to be at work. We recognise all these non-verbal queues without really thinking about them. Most technologies like telephones, email and video require a deliberate attempt to connect. Technologies like this one help you "feel" the other person's presence and activities.
    • Re:Why? (Score:2, Interesting)

      I think this thing is not only ridiculously cool, but very artistic. I read too much sci-fi, especially Gibson, so I'm all about having ridiculously complicated technology all around me that is all very subtle in the actual affect it has on my life.

      It's like the little computer-companion in Mona Lisa Overdrive, or the amplified sensory perception chips from Neuromancer.

      I'd love to be soaked in so much tech that communication by technological means becomes second nature, or to have my brain jacked to th

      • Re:Why? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Avihson ( 689950 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @05:27PM (#7584285)
        You need to visit the real world a bit more, and spend less time online.

        Have you ever experienced the solitude of camping in the great forests alone? Have you ever spent more than 8 hours free from civilization's grasp?

        Your brain jacked into the net? With the current state of the net, you would spend all of your time ignoring Spam, blocking script kiddies "hacks" and modding down jerks from Slashdot trolling the FP, Yoda and goatse.cx posts. When will your overloaded braincells have time to experience Gibson's fantasies? How would you guard your innermost dreams from the omnipresent government and NGO watchdogs?

        Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to my simulated first person virtual world called "real life."

        Simstim can never replace reality, I can hike a glacier in Alaska, sleep on a beach in Belize, shop the East gate Market in Seoul, or just drive in the first-snow traffic jam anywhere in North America, and I know that the experiences are unique to me.

        Nothing can simulate the random chaos of nature, since everything is but a creation of nature.
        • Re:Why? (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Saeger ( 456549 )
          So, because you're a pessimistic, paranoid, isolationist, luddite, so should everyone be? Only you know the Right Way?

          Humankinds appetite for communication and connectedness will continue to grow [kurzweilai.net], and despite my "Brain-2-Network" interface, I'll still be able to stop and smell the flowers.

          Simstim can never replace reality

          Never say never, or did you mean to say "I hope it's never possible, because it conflicts with my current belief systems"?

          --

          • So, because you're a pessimistic, paranoid, isolationist, luddite, so should everyone be?

            So, suggesting that real life is more interesting than simulations is pessimistic, paranoid, isolationist, and luddite? Sounds paranoid to me. And you don't want to go out into the world to experience it, but rather stay at home jacked in? Definitely isolationist.

            Humankinds appetite for communication and connectedness will continue to grow

            Yes, becauce current technological and socieconomic trends are taking aw

        • Note to slash readers: Mod this down, it's completely immature. I'm letting him bait me.

          Yes, I have camped alone in the forest. I lived in the Santa Cruz mountains for 10 years.

          The whole point of having one's brain jacked into the net is that it's a fantasy. It's an ideal that gives us something to stretch for. It gives us access to human contact when it would otherwise be impossible. Like in the tables article, where you're connected, however abstractly, to someone living far away.

          Granted, all t

  • by RLiegh ( 247921 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @04:32PM (#7584068) Homepage Journal
    could become flame-wars instead. I KNEW that all that time I wasted on usenet and irc would eventually pay off!
  • by PseudoThink ( 576121 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @04:33PM (#7584073)
    This reminds me of how each of the Endless kept real-time representations of their siblings in their domains. For example, Destiny's statues, or Dream's stained glass windows, each depicting the seven Endless in their current emotional/physical states. Not a bad idea...
  • by SnappingTurtle ( 688331 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @04:34PM (#7584080) Homepage
    Worked for my mom... for a few days. Then suddenly I started attending, um, study hall every morning at that time.
  • wee bit pricy, methinks
  • While the media lab (at MIT, yeah I know it's at UCL but loosely related to MIT) does some of the most interesting CS/EE research, it also seems to engage in some of the dumbest.
  • Conversely, the longer objects remain on the sending table, the larger the images on the receiving table grow.

    Hmm. Nope. Can't think of anything funny.

    --

  • Researchers [at MIT Media Lab Europe] have developed a way to help people who are far away from their loved ones feel a little closer

    Hmm, gives a whole new meaning to the Media Lab's "Put That There."
  • I'd rather not have someone projecting goatse or whatever they please on my coffee table...
  • by HangingChad ( 677530 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @04:49PM (#7584152) Homepage
    Because I have an idea for an virtual crapper that will cause log grahics to appear in the receive toilet. When I have to stop and think what message I'm sending tossing my keys on the table, that's where I draw the virtual line. If you want to see how someone far away is doing, here's a suggestion: Road trip!
    • When I have to stop and think what message I'm sending tossing my keys on the table, that's where I draw the virtual line.

      95% of all communication is non-verbal. Technologies like these are an attempt to come up with ways to communicate non-verbal communication. Of course nothing beats visiting in person, but perhaps the technologies that follow these ones will help people who are in isolation cope better, such as Antarctic stations or perhaps deep space exploration.
  • by Geno Z Heinlein ( 659438 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @04:56PM (#7584179)
    A new device is helping families and loved ones feel connected even when they're far apart.
    • If a VT-50 was good enough for me and good enough for my father, then it's good enough for you!
    • My relatives live 10 timezones away and now my circadian rhythm is all messed up!
    • Dammit, the whole point of technology is to avoid human contact! Especially with my biologicals!!!
    (I was going to make a Surak joke, but flashed on Johnny Carson trying to tell jokes about Lincoln.)
  • Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @04:56PM (#7584182)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • The implementation of this idea just looks lame.. The output from the system looks like something out of an old move about the future where when you watch it now you laugh.

    Now if it created a hologram on the display end it might be usefull and cool.
  • Genius! (Score:5, Funny)

    by iamdrscience ( 541136 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @05:02PM (#7584205) Homepage
    Virtual Round Table + Billy the singing Big Mouth Bass video conferencing [slashdot.org] = Family fun and memories you can cherish for years to come!
  • Seems like a plane ticket would be cheaper, given the number of times certain relatives would be willing to use this thing
  • by MyNameIsFred ( 543994 ) * on Friday November 28, 2003 @05:04PM (#7584213)
    How long are you going to leave that coffee cup on the table? Don't you ever wash your dishes.
  • Remote tabletop RPG'ing! Yay!

    (yes, I know the table described in the article wouldn't quite work for this. But that's THEIR design flaw, not mine...)
  • by G4from128k ( 686170 ) on Friday November 28, 2003 @05:10PM (#7584237)
    A better solution might be to use a high-res digital camera that takes snapshots of the actual kitchen table, extracts changes in the scene, and transmits that.

    This would be superior to the RFID appoach because it allows the inclusion of ordinary and arbitrary objects. If you receive a greeting card from a loved-one, you place it on the table to show that you appreciated it. In contrast, the RFID approach requires someone to both tag any new object and create a simulacra of it for display on the other end. Rather than people creating a symbolic language from the default icons in the system (e.g., the default coffee cup, cigarette pack, etc.), the high-res image fragments could include very personal items such as the actual greeting card, a favorite coffee cup, or a meaningful momento.

    Image differencing and extraction would reduce the bandwidth requirements to below that required for videoconferencing. Even if a high-res (5 megapixel) imager is used, the image extraction algorithms would work to only transmit image fragments of objects that changed but stayed in place for some time. Thus, it might transmit a single snapshot of your bowl of cereal in the morning, but not any images from when you quickly opened and closed the kitchen cabinets.
  • not to mention pretty lame in the implementation.

    it doesnt even show the "state" of the tagged object - the ciggie pack is closed while the projection just shows a generic pack of ciggies. jeez!!

    i can add a picture of a nescafe bottle to the icons on msn and ... ok, well its not a table, so what!

    looks like an engineering interns final year project, only made known cos its 'meeedia labs'. tsk tsk!
  • Aha (Score:4, Funny)

    by mcc ( 14761 ) <amcclure@purdue.edu> on Friday November 28, 2003 @05:27PM (#7584287) Homepage
    So THAT'S how the clock in the Weasley family's house worked.

    Always wondered about that.
  • Can I subscribe to my favourite celebrity table? It would take all the hard work out of stalking. Oooh Britteny likes cocoa pops sprinkled with amphetamines. I knew she would.
  • Next thing you know, we'll be living in Isaac Asimov's The Naked Sun. Actually, we're almost there today.
  • "Conversely, the longer objects remain on the sending table, the larger the images on the receiving table grow." Hmm...

    Computer: You have a video from... your husband... please press recieve.
    You: Okay.
    Man on other end: HAHAHAHAHA!
    You: Wait... is that a... OH MY GOD IT'S EVEN BIGGER THAN NORMAL! AAAAHH!!!!!
  • ...think of Bistromathics? No? Just me then...
  • The sight of a pack of cigarettes, however, could mean the same person is feeling stressed out and might appreciate a phone call from a friend.

    No, a pack of cigarettes, means they hate themselves so much, that they not only want to kill themselves, but they want to insure their deaths are as long, drawn out and painful as possible. :-D

  • Reminds me of the Gilligan's Island episode where they find berries that let you read each other's mind. The Professor says "Gee, I thought that would make people get along better." BZZZZZZT

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