What's the Oldest Hardware You are Still Using? 1705
ScottBob asks: "Seeing the recent post about the vintage computer festival got me thinking about old hardware I'm still using in my 'modern' computer. I have a 1 ghz Celeryonion machine, but when I bought the mobo I specifically looked for one with an ISA slot so I could still use my old Zoltrix modem I bought in '97 when V.90 was adopted (when it probably would have been cheaper to buy an ISA-less mobo and a PCI modem). I've also moved a '93 model floppy drive from machine to machine, and it still works. Usually, monitors and power supplies survive the ravage Moore's law has on hardware, but what other things does everybody else save when they cruft together a new machine? Anybody ever do things like disguise a 4 GHz P4 in an ancient 8086 machine box? While on the subject, is anybody still running old DOS programs in a DOS box on a Windows machine (e.g. a database) because your company is too poor/cheap to upgrade or doesn't want to bother with any free alternatives?"
GeForce 2 MX 400 (Score:2)
Re:GeForce 2 MX 400 (Score:2)
I also have a P120 in my Tertiary computer.
We are talking like Circa 1993 on those.
Re:GeForce 2 MX 400 (Score:2, Funny)
Re:GeForce 2 MX 400 (Score:3, Funny)
The world is an ugly place.
Power Cord (Score:5, Funny)
Impressive. (Score:2)
boot:
Re:Impressive. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Power Cord (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Power Cord (Score:3, Funny)
I believe they originally came from Iron Maiden's 1982 album "The Number of the Beast".
Still have an old 486 running... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Still have an old 486 running... (Score:4, Interesting)
It's a 486/33, homebuilt in December of 1993. Currently serving as the house firewall, it's been running 24/7 since May of 2001. Ran 24/7 during summers in 1999 & 2000, plus other vacations. Before Fall of 1997 it was my normal machine (until I started college).
It's got an upgraded video card (4 MB Diamond VLB ugpraded from the original 1 MB Trident), and has a 4 GB drive added last November, plus NICs that have been added.
Currently on the third power supply fan. Other than that, it's run great for nearly 10 years.
Keyboard (Score:5, Interesting)
Vintage? (Score:5, Funny)
"Ah, yes. This eMachines knockoff displays a firmer character, with elements of plozz and fwimple, leading to an oaky finish."
Eep.
--grendel drago
Only OEM components are flimsy (Score:3, Informative)
There are a number of manufacturers that produce more highly-price, nicer input devices. Among them, Logitech [logitech.com],
which sells a whole line of wireless keyboards, PCKeyboard, which has among its offerings modern versions of old-IBM-Model-M style buckling-spring mechanism keyboards (CLICK CLICK CLICK...),
Easy... (Score:2)
What's the oldest hardware I'm still using? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What's the oldest hardware I'm still using? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:What's the oldest hardware I'm still using? (Score:5, Funny)
(Someone had to say it.)
old hardware (Score:2, Interesting)
The motherboard isn't 100% Y2K compliant but it runs like a champ.
P75 here (Score:3, Insightful)
FreeBSD isn't dying, but it does run on geriatric hardware!
IBM model M keyboard (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:IBM model M keyboard (Score:2)
Re:IBM model M keyboard (Score:2)
Re:IBM model M keyboard (Score:3, Interesting)
I have a lot of really old equipment, but I'm finding that I use it too little and am trying to toss what I can, but my Model:M will leave me when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
You can still get these! (Score:5, Informative)
I bought four, one for each machine I use at work (including a Mac - used a USB-PS2 converter) and one for my PC at home. They absolutely kick ass. I saw many of the original IBM keyboards at the Vintage Conputer Festival last weekend - tested the feel and weight of them and the original ones are identical to the current ones from Unicomp as far as I can tell.
I use to think the M was the cat's meow... (Score:3, Interesting)
It's good an old school solid feel, but it only has a single aluminum plate inside, which makes it easy to carry around.
Best part?
Not only is it spill resistant, you can disassemble the plastic components (base, key tray) and put it in the dishwasher. The contact sheet is a clever enclosed rubber design, which is itself washable, and the controller a very simple PCB that snaps in and out of place.
There are good keyboards out there that aren't 20 y
problem with model M (Score:3, Funny)
486DX/33 (Score:2)
Its got a 20mb harddrive.. 2 network cards and a internal modem..
Stuck on FreeSco and it works just fine as a router/emergency dial-backup machine for customers in trouble....
"is anybody still running old DOS programs" (Score:2)
Crystal Caves! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:"is anybody still running old DOS programs" (Score:3, Informative)
Oldest Hardware (Score:2)
My oldest working computer is a 1995 Acer Acros P75 with 48 megs of ram and a 1.2 gigabyte hard drive.
The oldest piece of hardware in my gaming machine (this one) is my Sound Blaster Live Platinum (1999), but that will be replaced shortly.
Frankenstein box (Score:2)
Not much but... (Score:3, Informative)
My oldest PC card from 1993... (Score:2)
I did have a 3.5" disk drive since then, but it died a few months ago. SB Live is the last thing ali
A 1200 baud modem.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:A 1200 baud modem.... (Score:3, Interesting)
School ... (Score:3, Funny)
COBOL???? (Score:5, Funny)
RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!!!!
Re:COBOL???? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:COBOL???? (Score:4, Interesting)
Oldest I've seen in use but not by me (Score:5, Interesting)
Interestingly enough, my keyboard (Score:2)
The only part original to the lot is my keyboard... it was original with a 386 (AMD brand, I believe) computer, with a whopping 8MB of RAM. The keyboard is mighty unusual, also -- it's the only one I've ever seen with diagonal arrow keys [barely functional], an on-keyboard "turbo" button for changing keyboard repeat rate.
Other features include an asterisk between the right contr
My oldest hardware (Score:3, Informative)
Other than that... I've also got a Mac SE/30 with NetBSD that isn't in use... I'm thinking of remaking on old PC-1 from IBM (7 mhz) I got in the basement to something fun though.
Aside from cables, or maybe screws (Score:2)
PDP-11/23 (Score:2)
Ancient UNIX-style hardware at work (Score:5, Informative)
As I am comparitively new, compared to most of this hardware, I wasn't around to see it installed. About 8 years ago, the original Bell Labs Unix server was replaced with an x86 SCO box.
Many of the Terminals remaining are original. The printers both lasted until about a year ago when they simultaneously died.
Our software vendor stopped supplying updates about 3 years ago when they switched to windows. Last month, they completely pulled the plug, and in order to stay legal, we must now move to windows, which will be expensive initially and in the long-run.
I don't pay attention to the SCO system. It just works. It has worked for 17 years. Over those 17 years, we had to purchase one server, a few terminals, and a printer. With windows, we will need to maintain a 3 year upgrade cycle.
And the sad part about all of this is that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the unix hardware. Last week, I sadly removed the terminals, and installed terminal emulation software on the new windows PCs. Sure, I could have attempted telnet, but the server predates TCP/IP, and I feared corrupting the otherwise flawless system in place.
I know we have plenty of reasons to bash SCO, but I must testify that anything that can last 17 years with little or no maintence is worth keeping. I've already had calls about the windows hardware not working as expected. Ugh.
Re:Ancient UNIX-style hardware at work (Score:2, Funny)
An old Pac-bell 486-50 (Score:2)
hungkungfooey (Score:3, Funny)
Anyway the oldest machine I have working right now that I actually use is called an Adam and it was made by Coleco Vision. What is it used for you ask? An ashtray. An overgrown ashtray/beerstand nothing more. But I used it in elementary school so I won't part with it no matter how many burns it has... Besides one day it'll be a collectors item which I will sell for billions! NO! MILLIONS!
Brings tears to my eyes coming here... http://www.old-computers.com/ [old-computers.com]
Reuse (Score:2)
Tim
K6-133 (Score:2)
I have an AT keyboard (pre-PS/2 model, with an adaptor so it'll plug into a PS/2 connector) stuck behind the machines. Once in a while I'll need to pull it out when USB quits working for some reason.
oldest hradware (Score:2)
as for old apps...I work with a hospital still using a DOS scheduling app...When XP is finally forced on eveyone it was gonna die...instead they are looking at VMWare with DOS to continue using the damn thing.
Do slide rules count? (Score:5, Interesting)
I have two. The newest is from the late 60s. The oldest was given to me by my father. I think he got it when he was in college in the early 40s.
In the early 90s, I returned to college for another degree. I routinely used the slide rules for homework. The graders couldn't figure out why I only gave 3 digits of accuracy and the third was sometimes wrong.
On another occasion, I pulled it out to do a quick calculation during a test. The prof had never seen one and made a bee-line to my seat (on the aisle) and spent about 5 minutes looking it over.
Re:makes a good backup (Score:3, Informative)
I use an E6B, not for reliability but because it's cheap. But I've seen many catalogues and flight shops sell "electronic E6B's", presumably just calculators optimized again for those sorts of prob
I run some old stuff (Score:3, Interesting)
I recently retired my 486DX2 (later OV83) system with 64MB of ram, that I built in 1992.
8086 (Score:2)
Old stuff? Fridens. (Score:2)
Omnikey keyboard! From 1988! (Score:2)
Ancient corporate history (Score:2)
Oh, I see you've been to my office, haven't you?
Physics labs beat them all! (Score:5, Interesting)
The one I was working in recently is still using an Apple ][ to scan the dye laser that forms the frequency reference in the world's first and only solid-state quantum computer.
It just goes to show you that the really clever guys simply won't upgrade until either something breaks or the old system won't do what's needed. Otherwise, keep the Apple.
BTW the Apple is sitting near a superconducting magnet, and still works. Its first failure that I know of was a few weeks ago when the power supply died. It's now got an AT power supply hanging off it
Nuke plants, too (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, on the subject of companies still using legacy hardware, nuke plants have to be the king of dinosaur computer users. No new nuke plants have been ordered since the Three Mile Island accident in the late 70's, and all the har
The Roland LAPC-1 from 1990. (Score:3, Interesting)
I also have a HP LaserJet IIIP from '91 that still works and is cheaper per page than all those crappy inkjet printers.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it? (Score:2)
SCO Sucks T-shirt [anti-tshirts.com]. Shirts donate to the Open Source Now Fund.
Can go back to ~1982 (Score:2)
The oldest machine I own that's actually in business use is my Sinclair QL from 1984, upon which my accounts are based (along with some of my writings, posted to the internet where appropriate via a serial link to my PC). Apart from that, I've got programs I wrote on my Amiga 600 (1992) which are still used as part of my degree (it's fractal aggregation code written in AMOS), and I still hack about on my Spectrum (1982, hence the name ZX82) and Dragon 32 (also 1982). I've also got some Sun Ultras (~1996)
Atari 800 w/ 300 baud. Need C64 data recovered! (Score:2)
Remember ATS0=1 everybody?
I had to scrounge up a modem to answer and that could talk at 300 baud. I tried 3 modems (USRobotics, Hayes, and Multitech). The Multitech is the only modem that would
SGI (Score:2)
Ether ..... (1986) (Score:2)
My BELOVED IBM keyboard (Score:2)
I also have a Pro-Audio Spectrum 16 soundcard stored away on its box, waiting for an oportunity to be used again (it was a great card back in 1993!). I'd actually give it away to whoever promised me would use it...
sparcstation5 (Score:2)
Old DOS apps (Score:2, Interesting)
Well, OK, actually it runs just fine and rarely gives us trouble. Can't say the same for our MS-SQL servers...
Multia/UDB I bought for $50.00 awhile back. (Score:2)
I know it needs to be updated, but I don't care.
Conner peripherals, etc... (Score:2)
Pentium 90 on a PC Chips Socket 5 board.
64M 60ns EDO RAM (four 16MB DIMMs)
1.6GB Western Digital disk
540MB Conner peripherals disk
8x Acer CD-ROM
two 10/100 Linksys LNE100 TX nics.
Diamond Stealth video (S3 ViRGE chipset)
Yes. That old. What does it do? Mostly serves as a firewall, though does a few other menial tasks. Used to host my website and vhost for friends. Used to give shell accounts so friend
Compaq (Score:2)
my oldest computer (Score:2)
Right here. (Score:2)
SparcStation 20 (Score:2)
-h-
Cowboyneal? (Score:2)
My dad has IBM-AT Serial No 5. (Score:2)
(I'm confident about the serial # not about the year).
The funny thing he is left it running during the Y2K rollover and had ZERO problems, with the PC, DOS, or Quicken. THAT's how far off base the millenium fears were.
Calculators (Score:2)
HP-41C circa 1980, and HP 16C circa 1982. :)
Still work perfectly. HP calculators rule.
386... (Score:2)
I also use a Toshiba 486sx33 laptop with 12mb ram - it runs Slackware 8.1 fine for everything console.
"is anybody still running old DOS programs" (Score:2)
AMD133 (Score:2)
Hmm. (Score:2)
UltraSPARC 10 (Score:2)
400Mhz system (Score:2)
Harmon Kardon (Score:2)
I use a Harmon Kardon vacuum tube power amp from circa 1965 regularily (between tube/valve fires).
40watts class B push-pull design. Transformer coupled output stage.
I had a Citation II also but I had to leave it behind when I moved.
i have 3 computers in my home network (Score:2)
the 2002 is 1.5GHz
the 1998 is 333MHz
and the 1994 is a 100MHz, with 5.25" drive bay, in perfect working condition and upgraded from salavaged hulks of discarded motherboards found on the streets of manhattan to a whopping 32M of RAM!
upgraded also to that awesome juggernaut of software engineering you of course know as "Windows 98"
whenever i have the hankering to see a BSOD or play doom ii, i fire it up
but it mostly exists as a connection point for some legacy hardware whose firm
Q&A 4.0 (Score:3, Interesting)
And yes, I still do modifications on it from time to time.
Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)
Why the assumption? (Score:3, Interesting)
Why the assumption that a company is too poor/cheap to upgrade or doesn't want to bother with free alternatives? Believe it or not, there is still some software for which free alternatives do not exist. And probably will never exist, because it is so specialized.
At one bio lab where I worked, I had to support a bunch of DOS machines connected to lab equipment, because the controller programs only worked in DOS, due to the age of the equipment. Replacing the device would cost more than your average waterfront condo, so it's not exactly as if the company was being "cheap". Besides, the old device worked fine - if it ain't broke... etc.
Another place I worked at used a proprietary database for storing patient records. The server was a 386SX/25 and was accessed from dumb terminals connected to a multiport serial board. Replacing/upgrading this woudl require spending a huge amount of money to obtain a new system, or a huge number of man-hours developing a new open-source system and getting it certified. (Such systems need to be certified what with privacy laws and the like.)
So, there are plenty of reasons why a company might keep old hardware arround - almost anything which has custom boards or software written for it is likely to be running on older hardware, simply because there's no reason to upgrade.
1991 NeXT Workstation (Score:3, Insightful)
These days, one of my favorite uses of the machine is doing a side-by-side comparison with OS X. I compare the supplied Terminal, TextEdit and Mail applications on OS X and NeXTSTEP, showing that they're essentially the same programs, including details like the Font Panel and Color Picker. I then run OmniGraffle (2.0) on the Mac and Diagram.app on the NeXT -- again the two are essentially the same (OmniGraffle began as a Diagram clone and will read Diagram files). Finally, I run Abscissa (a graph-drawing program) on both and open the same file and show that it's exactly the same third-party app, just recompiled. Along the way I show things like live window dragging. It's pretty easy to see how OS X is in large part a continuation of NeXTSTEP.
The NeXT is, of course, a little slower, but people tend to be surprised when I reveal that the NeXT has a 25MHz CPU, whereas the G5 has two 2000MHz CPUs (factor of 160 difference), the NeXT is maxed out at 32MB of RAM, whereas my G5 is only at 3/16ths capacity at 1536MB (48x more), and the NeXT has a 1GB internal drive whereas the G5 has a 160GB drive (another factor of 160). The NeXT is more than twelve years old and nevertheless holds its own pretty well -- it certainly doesn't seem like 1/160th of the machine my G5 is.
Sadly, these days it takes a couple of tries before the internal 1GB hard drive spins up, and so I think one day it's going to go to that place in the sky that disk drives go to. That'll be a sad day, but not one I can't recover from -- at only 1GB, it's not like it takes much space to store a backup.
Mac LCII (Score:4, Informative)
My 1979 Toyota Pickup (Score:3, Informative)
Oh, and I drag out a 1990 dot matrix printer once a year to print some 3-part forms for my daughters' school auction. They better graduate before the ribbon wears out.
Amiga (Score:4, Informative)
I've also got a Sun ELC (external disk, board in the back of the monitor) which I dig out when I need to check something on SunOS 2.5. Which, admittedly, doesn't happen an awful lot these days.
I want an Amiga 3000UX (Score:3)
Re:Tandy 1000 RL (Score:2)
Re:Amiga 1000! (Score:4, Informative)
I still have an A2000/040 running at the TV station where I work. At one time, we had five Amigas running doing various tasks, including a 1200 doing a constant "glass" logo in the bottom right corner of the screen.
The aforementioned A2000's only job these days is to reach into the Associated Press (AP NewsDesk, running WinNT4_SP6) server via Samba, parse the individual scripts for the latest news program, order them, comma delimit them, and send them to a Linux PostgreSQL server where it is automatically imported, and available via our web page (wdtv.com). All done using AREXX (Amiga REXX) and EZCron [iolinc.net] (a gui cron written by myself, with a little help from our past Chief Engineer.
Ah, the beauty of it all! It runs 24/7, has not been rebooted since I can remember, and even processes ScreamerNet frames with Lightwave 3D in its spare time (OK, it's slow at that task, but helps about 5%).
Re:Osborne 1 that still works. (Score:3, Funny)
I play cranston manor and eliza on them still, and nothing beats wordstar 1.1
The truth is I'm just addicted to the azure glow of the power button.
Re:10 year old USR Sportsster with 2X TECHNOLOGY! (Score:3, Insightful)